Long term dancers (10 plus years) vs former dancers

"and up until recently seemed to have a decent life with him."

Do you think she told him because she felt guilty and wanted to set the record straight or because she was tired of being married and wanted out?

And yes I know this has been discussed a little in various threads but I try not to be repetitive and I don't think there has been a specific thread about this in a while

@wallanon that's a good question. I think they've had a fairly normal looking relationship and I think she felt guilty

not criticizing, but my perspective is that whatever 'trauma' led her to become my otc is a good thing. i don't humanize them, and am only paying for jezebel from the club not jane the emotional trainwreck.
non-paying boyfriends/spouses can deal wit that shit.

Oh yes wasn't judging or saying it's a bad thing

Cacaplop. You're asking the same thing you've asked before.

Do you think there's something wrong with men who obsess over dancers like this? Why do you want validation that there's something wrong with dancers who don't see you as more than a customer?

I already answered your question just above your comment. No not at all. I don't think there is anything at all with troubled dancers seeing guys OTC or OTC. And yes in the past I've def fallen for SS and had feeling but that's been a while back and I've learned my lesson for sure. No more

And this is the second time you've called me Cacaplop. Is that an acronym? Or a poster? I have no idea.

I believe in freedom of choice and I don't think I'm taking advantage. She needs cash and I need ass

^ why would you pay an idiot like Iceefag a nevermind, he’s just stirring the pot because he’s bored

Good point 25. I'm still learning who is real and whose a pot stirrer here.

20fag keep defending cacaplop 🤡

There are certainly more temptations when it comes to drugs, alcohol or sexual promiscuity in the stripper profession and there is more of a chance to come into contact with dangerous, abusive or criminally inclined males. If someone has addiction problems or problems of being attracted to bad boy types, then being in this profession tends to exacerbate those problems. I've also seen strippers, though, who lead fairly normal lives. The long-time ones seem to have fewer problems. The ones who quickly get fired are the ones who drink too much, take too many drugs, get in fights or hang around with undesirable males. My all-time favorite had a boyfriend who was in and out of jail and he got her fired from her stripper job because he came into her club with a baseball bat and smashed up the car of another stripper who had borrowed money from her and not paid it back. That's not the kind of guy you want as a boyfriend.

This is another weird question

SW are the only women who cheat or who have failed relationships or bring baggage to a relationship?

The wife did what most don’t and came forward with something she did in the past. You don’t think majority of people aren’t hiding things from their partner. Financially/sexually.

Do you think men who stay on forums about strippers are of sound mind? Asking about the psychology or how to get extras from strippers?

I’m a woman and all my friends are squares. They have baggage. They do some questionable things.

One of my very well to do never had to sell sex a day in her life friend invited me to a light orgy party that her boyfriend at the time didn’t know about.

But everyone thought I was the bad influence

They don't care about stripper hoes. They're trying to make them out to be mentally deficient so they can justify their own inability to even get extras or why they get rejected when they want more. It's about them not the girls.

Cacaplop asks almost the same questions with how many profiles. It's stupid.

IME the number one desire that keeps a girl working in the industry for a long time is a powerful need for personal and financial freedom. Sure the money is definitely a big part, but so is being in control of their own lives and choices. The need for personal freedom is often so powerful that it keeps them going even when the clubs slow down for a while and they are feeling burned out.

But over time these needs come into conflict with competing desires not be lonely and sometimes to fit in. IME for this reason very few seasoned vets work a decade continuously. At times their loneliness and/or burnout overpower their desire for freedom, leading them to try vanilla jobs and to live a more settled down life with SOs and often kids. But for certain types of girl, the desire for freedom can't be suppressed forever. As much as they may try to resist, eventually it reasserts itself and they end up back on the pole, often after blowing up vanilla jobs and SOs.

As far as addiction, I don't think that's fait accompli by any means. Indeed most dancers I know who have made it to a decade or longer usually left the worst of their addictions in the rearview mirror.

Now it's no state secret that a lot of girls who dance have challenged backgrounds. Whether that feeds into their psychology I couldn't say. But as far as daddy issues, I see this more often in the younger ones than I do in those girls who have made it a decade or more.

^ So one of the takeaways from that longwinded post is: You can't turn an alley cat into a house cat.

Or applying this lesson to Icee's situation, you can't turn a crack whore into a housewife. 😂

I don't buy the premise here.

We all have some level of instinctive fear of falling. Some people can overcome it, and enjoy things like riding roller coasters and skydiving, some can't.

We all have an aversion to doing sexual stuff with people we don't find attractive. Sex workers are people who overcome that, with the motivation of money. There are those who have psychological problems that prevent them from holding a conventional job. There are those who need money for a substance dependency, but general something other than booze or weed. Booze and weed habits are relatively inexpensive to feed. I don't see clear evidence that most sex workers fall into either of these two problem categories. I don't reach negative conclusions about people without clear evidence. If you do, you are the one with the issue, specifically wallowing in negativity and pomposity.

"is it chicken, egg, or both?"

how bout neither.
it's all just rationalization so they can explain/live with their choice of stripping/otc/being a problem child.

nothing *made* them do any of this.
it's a constant victim/sympathy rob.

men, on the other hand, have been after easier sex since cavemen learned to sneak up on hoes to save the energy of chasing them.

“ So, I think we all know that most long term dancers...have issues. ”

^ I don’t know that. I don’t presume to have people figured out all that well. Also, even when I think I see a general pattern about any group of people, it gets to quickly become problematic when applying the supposed group characteristic to any given individual in the group. I prefer to evaluate anyone on a case by case basis, including dancers.

I feel the same way huntsman. And over 15 years I, to quite myself, have found most "long term dancers..have issues". Not a negative commentary btw

IME dancers who make it 10+ years actually have their shit together much more than most other dancers. You don't make it 10 years stripping unless you can learn to manage around the worst of the pitfalls and temptations. The girls who I've seen with heavy duty issues often spiral out of control and go off the rails a lot sooner than that.

Heck I've seen girls buy houses and put their kids through college on the poll. The ones who can hang in there that long and learn to stop spending it as fast as they earn it can accomplish a surprising amount.

IME those who actually harbor this view of long-term dancers are usually not customers, but dancers who consider themselves short timers on their way to bigger and better things. We all know the type - a part time or other tourist dancer who will likely one day be trying to seem edgy on some blog or at a party because she once showed her titties inside a strip club.