IS FRMOS JUST AN URBAN LEGEND?
Icee Loco (asshole)
I'm a fucking loser
Saturday, June 25, 2022 9:16 AM
can anyone name one open club in the Unuted States where you can grab a girl and kiss her or make out on the main floor and not get kicked out? And where after making out she leaves the club with you?
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don't let me down icee.
Anyway, after clubbing off and on for 40 years and traveling all over the country, I can honestly say I have seen more actual fucking in the front room than DFK/MOS.
In the past I've kissed girls I was dating in the club. They'd get fined or sent home. I'd get kicked out. It didn't matter that we were dating. Or I dropped her off. Clubs I've been to have all been really strict on kissing. Even when they tolerate fucking in vip or even fingering in the main room. Kissing was never a thing.
And even at private stripper parties you're more likely to get a blowjob than a kiss.
I don't even believe kissing was common in clubs during the 90s.
What I really think sjg describes is how a hooker will kiss a guy or ask him to expose himself or to touch her puasy ie front room feel up session. To see if he's a cop. Then she'll fuck him. And he gets her contact info. That would make sense.
The more aggressive the women are being, the more aggressive you are likely to be able to be with them.
And then with girls that are nuzzling and pressing forehead to forehead, you can likely do that.
People have written about one of the SoCAL black clubs where some girl approach with the handshake and kissing you.
People have written about black dives where girls jump on to your lap and start nibbling at your ear lobe and licking your neck.
Multiple people have affirmed to me privately that at the mixed race dives all of the girls do it that way.
At our underground clubs, the girls are all husting for OTC, so they are pretty pliable. Usually best to start them out with open tongue kissing, become part of the show.
And then the girls are always kissing each other, with the smallest possible of pretext.
And at one of our clubs, slated for closure and demolition, the back room mileage exploded, and girls were surprising guys initiating DFKing at stage side.
At some of our regular clubs, really driven by the girl, some would DFK when trying to set up immediate OTC.
When the control are loose, US Clubs come to be a lot like Tijuana.
The US operator though that specialized in regulating the women, in the US and in TJ, is Deja Vu.
SJG
What underground club allows frmos?
Our underground clubs come and go. And kissing is not uncommon, but it was never universal.
You have to kind of learn to maneuver the interaction that way. I learned by accident with an extremely cute black girl in SF New Century. In AMPs it is kind of the same thing, gently maneuvering the interaction so it just happens. And usually it means FS. The girl will expect this. In a strip club it is usually either FS-ITC or fairly soon OTC.
SJG
SJG
You mean like “stop and go away, SJG”?
Not that this is a stunning revelation, but FRMOS isn't a real thing outside of possible rare exceptions.
Initial Make Out Session puts it into an entirely different category for a girl, cause most guys just treat them as "Stripper Hoes".
In places where that is not common, then the girl will be genuinely surprised, but also disarmed.
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7649…
SJG
Back on script but it's too late creepo, you can't walk it back now and we WILL NOT LET YOU FORGET THAT!!! Lol
You too can live this type of life, please go to the San Jose Library, pick up a Q card and proceed to the FICTION section. If you’re there at 4pm on weekdays they’ll even give you cookies and apple juice.
No a Public Library would not be a good place to look for evidence of that.
SJG
How’s that case against General Motors going?
SJG
Nope I don’t frequent the San Jose Public Library nor have I sued General Motors. Please give me some insight, if you’re going to become a millionaire out of this I’d like to know how to sue Ford Motor Company.
I don't care about his lawsuits or the library. He's boring.
SJG
SJG
PS - exit only.
I think the underground venues you refer to are amps with trafficked women not clubs
Now, now...
Anyways, in my 20 years of clubbing, I have neither had one nor seen one. And I've had and gotten front room FS (in Newark, go fig).
Back room, had a few back room makeouts, not since COVID.
And SJG will again conflate softening her up with money with paying for it, because psychosis damages cognitive faculties, like recognition of cause and effect. Think I'll soften up my local Chipotle after the gym tomorrow and get rewarded with a double pollo asado bowl.
Now yes, these tend to be dives. At a dive it is no great privilege for a girl to work there. So management does not have much of a whip to crack. So they quickly learn that if they want the women to keep showing up, then they need to stay out of their way.
And I can certainly say first hand that even in DV San Francisco, if you play the girls out some, they will often reverse themselves demonstrably on Front Room Make Out Sessions. They aren't after all doing anything they would not be doing if you were off site with them.
So it isn't really a matter of the management allowing it. In DV it does not come up very often. But in dives it can become standard.
SJG
Dives can be stricter on rules coz they don't have the legal teams and funds corporate clubs do. They'll be lenient on fs before they allow kissing.
Tetradon. Same here. Never seen it.
I think Icee has gotten some more detail from SJG than many others here. Usually the question about FRMOS is stopped by mention of a privacy wall, and no further detail is provided.
The closest I’ve come to a FRMOS was in a Reading Pa club when a dancer recognized me from the stage, and called me over to give me a hug and kiss (as she was a family friend).
There was an Irvington NJ club, that was open only during the day, where fucking dancers bar side occurred frequently. I couldn’t resist making a trip, and sure enough you could stick it in while drinking a Miller Lite. I think that club has installed booths now, so the front room sex is likely a thing of the past.
Granted, it could be used in the lap dance/VIP room for a similar purpose.
I've rarely see him get dances but he does buy drinks and hang out with the girls. On a several occasions, I have seen him FRMO with dancers and the staff just laughs and shakes their head like "there he goes again". He's the exception and not the rule though.
With hookers and kissing. In Vegas I've been approached by hookers who would try to get me to kiss them or feel them up as a way to make sure I'm not a cop. It's common.
The further things go in a club, the less likely their are real rules. No one wants to share any culpability for how things go. Nothing is allowed, because nothing is prohibited. Staff will always be looking the other way for whatever the women want to do.
I have gotten recent accounts of a FRMOS in Florida which went on for 3 hours. And also other people fucking the girls on stage.
SJG
Cream - White Room - Chicago School of Rock Live Aid show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh4COKp_…
Only exception is when places have Adult Entertainment or Alcohol licensing stuff that outlaws it. PG-13 Make Out session would not be illegal on the sidewalk out in front of the strip club.
Cabaret Club, Scottsdale AZ had lots so reviews describing this blonde girl in FRMOS, then followed by backroom FS. Now yes, these accounts may all have been of the doings of one girl. When a strip club can run with just one girl and small flow of customers, it usually will be a brothel.
Strip club needs more people.
And this was before COVID. Sounds like things have changed there.
Portland seems to have lots of dives which run during the day shift with just one girl per shift. They don't regulate such clubs very closely.
Too bad Xoticspot is gone. That was the best way to find such places.
Some places advertised as strip clubs are too small to really be strip clubs.
SJG
STFU creep!
You admitted earlier in this thread what we already knew, you're a loser with zero real life experience who only knows what you hear or read and most of that is defective info!
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FACT!
On Stripper Web they are livid about it. They can see it in the dance booths. They are infuriated. And they talk about girls who make thank you DFK rounds for all the guys who gave them $1 stage tips.
So what this means is that it is happening, it is not that rare. And the ones who are infuriated are not the ones who are doing it. Others talk about wearing flavored lip gloss. Girls like to be able to blow a guy's mind with that kind of a surprise.
So in that kind of an environment. if you select the girl and demonstrate generosity and move on her, probably she will follow your lead without reservation.
Also on stripper web they talk about escorting. And there they all understand that DFKing is part of it.
Also, one of our TUSCL members put a lot of emphasis on DFKing. BUt now he has moved to what is better than strip clubs, the private party venues. He has not told me this specifically, but it is reasonable to see that there DFKing is even more standard than it is at the best strip clubs.
SJG
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=11206
Cream - White Room - Chicago School of Rock Live Aid show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh4COKp_…
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neyrodivergentnyy San-Khose polzuchesti
FACT!
Really dude get a clue about life, go back to attempting to sue another car manufacturer maybe you’ll get more lucky your second time around.
^^^I've been to 75% of Portland clubs, dives included, and mostly afternoon to early evening shifts. For about 20 years now. Was a huge user of Xoticspot too. Besides getting my own needs met with the 1-4 dancers on shift, I observed a lot of interactions. Hundreds. Strippers sitting 1:1 with customers and also coming and going from the private dance areas. And...(spoiler alert)...ZERO kissing/FRMOS observed. Same goes for any club in the nation. At any time.
Not saying it never happens. Just saying that Portland dives in the day don't have any better likelihood of it as any other US club. Also saying that san_jose_creep is grasping at straws with this example.
And no club let's dancers do as they please without any rules. It wouldn't function.
I love dives but I've never seen it in them.
Some will include dfk as part of a gfe. But that's as far as i can see it go.
I don't know how I'd feel seeing girls making out with every customer at a club. I don't think I'd want to participate. I'd feel like the last guy in a gang bang.
This is why he won't acknowledge what anyone else says about it, no matter how true they are and how wrong he is. It will break down his walls of denial and force him to face himself and his own personal flaws. And he'll argue his points to death about it if he has to.
It's to the point now that the truth about it is irrelevant. Also so is the need for doing it himself. All he has to do is keep believing it and finding any little "proof" of it on the internet.
And you do the same damn thing all the time in a lot of your posts, dumbass. You don't even realize it. Clown.
Stop being so butthurt about my posts. Like you posted earlier yourself, dumbass, "But please stick to topic." 😂
^^^ And think about the poor dude that "dates" and "manages" a stripper whore. At the end of the day, they gotta kiss and fuck the same whore that's been with all kinds of geriatric trick dick. Like being the last guy in a geriatric trick gang bang, I tell ya! 😂
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=6095…
SJG
Shailynn the necrophiliac lulz
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7052…
SJG
In both cases it came down to the guys celebrating the girls desperation.
I think this makes it more obvious that he has never experienced a FRMOS, and the two discussions are only posted as an attempt to save face.
Are we supposed to be gullible enough to believe he used Google advanced search to data mine and cross reference TUSCL and Stripperweb data - and some odd cryptography to decode hidden texts about strippers tongue kissing guys in the front room for free?
People who don't partake in FRMOS are so because they don't want it.
SJG
^^^@Cashman like I was telling Shailynn, it's deeper than this and all that matters is convincing himself in his own mind that FRMOS is the key to "waking up on the morning" with a stripper (or AMP) whore. And the 1-2 examples he has out of hundreds to the contrary are well more than enough to satisfy and reinforce his views. Honestly it has nothing to do with saving face to us. It has everything to do with saving face to his very own psyche.
You have to go back to his earliest threads on TUSCL to understand it. He's obsessed with kissing a woman. Like over the top obsessed. It's the one thing he yearns for above all else with a woman.
When he was married he missed an opportunity to cheat on his wife with a black stripper whore that happened to kiss him as a way of selling GFE to him. He's posted about this numerous times. He ended up not following through on it, but he looks back at that moment and, with embellished revisionist history, he believes she truly wanted him because she gave him that kiss. It's like an opportunity at love lost moment in his mind. For years now it's obsessed him and he's built his own FRMOS theory around it.
Also after he was divorced, he always pursued kissing with AMP whores. Again obsessively. He has a series of earlier threads where he's trying to make a handful of them his long term GFE and all are focused around kissing them. And in one encounter, he does get to kiss one of them and it was another validating moment of his theory.
Look at him now too. He's obsessed with every thread about it, and he has to tell others that they are doing it rong when they have a stripper encounter that doesn't involve it.
I'm telling you it really doesn't matter what others think on this matter. And it's rooted deeply into his psyche that ultimately deflects his mind from all his other failures and issues in interacting with women. Plus he just wants to be loved by one.
Bank on all of this. It's all based on his posts too. But you gotta understand them from his day 1 posting here.
Sld is autistic af and maybe schizophrenic for constantly writing essays about narratives about members he creates in his head.
"But please stick to the topic."
LMFAO. 🤭🤡
🤯🤭🤡
LMFAO. 🤭🤡
I didn’t realize he became obsessed with kissing sex workers as a method of attempting to find intimacy or develop a real relationship. I find it a bit odd that he would look to strippers and AMP girls for intimacy. I understand some guys want GFE with escorts, but that would be a better situation to develop a dialogue - and where kissing and other things can be done (to sell the guy on the GFE).
Regardless of the evidence you present, I doubt it will change his mind. I doubt it will force some sort of epiphany as well. In all likelihood, it will deteriorate to odd threats about sewing assholes shut or joining a glee club.
Cashman you're one to talk about obsessions....
And Iceydodo...
"But please stick to the topic."
LMFAO. 🤭🤡
^^^work on your reading comprehension, dumbass. I never said that. You're clearly confused. I said he's gone to clubs in the PAST, and he doesn't go to clubs in the PRESENT, dumbass.
"But please stick to the topic."
LMFAO. 🤭🤡
But, SirLDAlot’s comments reference SJG’s history. SJG went to clubs many years ago. He developed a strong dislike for a DejaVu club that he considered a clip joint (if I remember correctly).
SJG has unraveled since his marriage fell apart, and he has developed obsessions with many aspects of sex worker behavior. He may have been a regular guy about 25 years ago, but sadly he has devolved to believe much of the stuff he repeats here - about FRMOS, his sex slave organization, odd political threats, street walkers in TJ, and an underground strip club circuit.
Damn SLD what did anyone ever do to you, that’s pure torture.
^^^@Cashman this is exactly what I'm saying is going on with him. And all that repetitive stuff (aside from the politics) is tied to his PTSD from his failed marriage. It's his defense and coping mechanism. Rather than put on his big boy pants, acknowledge and improve upon his mistakes, and get a job and rebound from his divorce, he's chosen to wallow and pontificate on all these theories of how to be with a woman. All while being homeless day after day and escaping to the library to use TUSCL to reinforce his beliefs.
And as stated, it doesn't even matter that he actualizes any of it. All that matters now is that he keep up the fantasy and facade in his mind.
Until he gets actual mental health care and help to snap out of his funk, he's going to be repeating all those same things over and over and over whenever he gets internet access at the public library.
I don't like talking about people but.
You're ignoring a lot of factors and making others up.
His formative life events involve the girl he dated who was in a mental institution. Then his wife being conservative and religious. He sought out hookers.
His anal fixation...some psyche meds are suppositories. He also mentions pegging and prostate massages. And threatens to sew assholes shut. As if to tell people he'll take their source of what he sees as pleasure away. But also hints at trauma.
He was more normal before the lockdowns. Much more lucid. Something happened to make him decline.
What he talks about isn't a fantasy. The fantasy part is his delusional interpretation of the logistics. Basically he just likes gfes with hookers .
^^^and I think you're wrong, ignoring factors, and making shit up. Everything I posted is based on his posts here from day 1. Believe what you want, though. And good on you!
"I don't like talking about people but."
^^^ Oh please. 🤭🤡😂. Your posts clearly indicate otherwise. You don't even realize that you often contradict yourself too. Just like you posting that everyone should stay on topic. It's hilarious. 🤭🤡😂
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=knImeAiO1q…
@Cashman here's a real good example of it back in 2015:
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=3305…
(Note too that you posted in it!)
This was before the term "FRMOS" even existed. And he was less batshit crazy then too.
Then in 2018 you see him returning and his craziness has evolved - as shown by how he gets violent with you!
He's paranoid in the thread. Using code words to avoid just describing what he did. It's like his delusions today...refusing to call it a gfe or refusing to call it p4p shows how that paranoia got worse over time.
Also. Everyone getting gfes is looking for intimacy
Good on you for making it about me rather than your own thread topic!
"I don't like talking about people but."
"But please stick to the topic."
LMFAO. 🤭🤡
^^^FYI It took me all of 1 min to find it. I have a really good memory and I know how to use the search function.
But good on you for making up the false narrative about me! 🤭🤡😂
For most of the women who dance in strip clubs, the problem they find is that men don't relate to them as ordinary women, they treat them as vending machines.
Yeah most of the guys in strip clubs are like that PLs, but it is not everyone.
SJG
Jane School of Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaJnL3e8…
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=9935
But trying to buy ejaculation with a pretty girl grinding on you, that is sickening.
SJG
SJG
Jane - Jefferson Starship with David Freiberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1GZVsYx…
You don't really believe that handing them money and them then fucking you aren't related lulz
Picking up a stripper doesn't involve "being generous"
SJG
Jefferson Starship - Jane - 2018 School of Rock AllStars Team 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdWq4w8D…
Taste of Honey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RKpk9tz…
Dio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf8ORgP4…