This has been alleged, but I was slow to see it.
At least it is not buying dances, as that is a chump's game.
But we see the low esteem Dugan holds the dancers in. And then they don't even return his phone texts, except some when it comes to the first of the month.
And we see that alcohol has a big role in it.
SJG
Rick basically just pays hookers. But admits he has to get them drunk. And he has a hard time getting prostitutes to fuck him.
Man, when SJG is in a trolling mood, there is definitely some panache there 🤣
Yes. Everyone has their own system for paying, and some people think their way of paying is the right way while alluding to the way others pay is a chump’s game. You pay no matter what route you take, so the only ones who are t chumps are the master baters who rely on their own means to exacerbate their sexual frustrations!
SJG golden rule - never pay for front room make out sessions.
if she allows you to pay for sex as a stripper, then who knows how many times she's been plowed. And an overplowed hooha is never a good sight to see. I'll stick to dancing admiring their figure. The exterior illusion is more appealing than the interior.
Why does anyone listen to Rick Dugan? tuscl.net
SJG
Dude Rick has been posting here for TWELVE YEARS.
A lot of marriages don't last that long. I don't expect to ever work for the same company that long.
"Why does anyone listen to sjg?"
Fixed it for you but then again it's a redundant question because nobody listens to you except to point out how out of touch with reality you are and how big of a creepy fuckhead you are.
This group isn't really about strip clubs. its about misogynysts and sheltered married men locating strip clubs where they can find hookers. Thats why people like Rick are taken seriously.
the real question we all have is why mr theosu engages with mr san jose to tell mr san jose that nobody wants to engage with him
phils space geneious algorithm assigns a 98% posterior probability to the contention that mr theosu actually finds mr san joses posts rather hot to the point where he jacks it to them
it further assigns a 69% posterior probability to the proposition that he has added a cardboard sign to the grill of his 1982 yugo that reads ‘this is mr richard dugans mercuree bobcat’
my predictive space algorithm is surprisingly insistent that mr the mispelled mercury i suspect it did so due to mr thes atrocious grammar and spelling
also yes the system is paying hookers for sex
i hope these phil phacts(tm) have answered all of ur questions
your welcome
^
Lol, same as you jack then slurp your spunk to my posts right rummy! Tricks must be slow behind your convenience store dumpster, don't worry the homeless guys should show up after dark.
Your welcome, Dipshit
A stripper been doing otc meets me otc after she gets off her shift. It thrills me she probably fuking all day itc I cum like crazy doing her crying out loudly. She smiles says “well let’s just plan our meets after I get off work. Just don’t tell my fiancée he thinks I just do air dances.” So I guess he last guy for the day.
She will look at condom afterwards, smile and say “omg what a huge load in it.” I then pluck down 5 Bens.
it looks like phil has a lot of work
first mr theosu u need to stop sending links to ur photos libredd.it becaus even if i was into guys i would not be into u
second mr player i am not sure why u want to buy back ur own cum in a condom for $500 but i bet u could make some of that money back by selling the cum to mr theosu
iust trying to help the clueless
your welcome
How long did it take to come to this epiphany?
When examining the process - of paying a woman for sex - it would appear to be prostitution. However, many of the women would object as they are likely dancers, and they don’t derive a majority of their earnings from actual paid sex.
Only an impotent homosexual bottom would use the word misogynist.
"This group isn't really about strip clubs."
Actually it is. But somehow it's more interesting for many TUSCLers to put labels on each other and bicker instead of appreciating that people from so many different walks of life all found their way here to talk about their hobby. Just like anything else in life, there's good and bad that comes with the experience on the boards.
does anybody else find it kind of strange that mr skibum said only an impotent homosexual bottom would use the word misogynist?
phil thinks mr skibum is subtly signaling his homosexual desires. phil does not judge in fact phil told mr george michaelson to keep believing in himself that wake me up and go go would be a hit and mr michaelson was a big ol fag
that said i feel sorry for mr skibum becaus being impotent must suck. phil would not know because phil has a huge dick befitting a space geneious that gets as hard as a diamond at appropriate times. but i can still imagine mr skibums pain
on the other hand he said he was a bottom and taking it in the ass requires skibums partner to get it up and mr skibum does not himself have to get it up
i hope this explanation of how gay sex works helps the non geneiouses here. keep tryin mr skibum u will find ur top :)
i am not bickering mr wallsanon I am trying to help with my space geneiousness
your welcome
"Everyone has their own system for paying, and some people think their way of paying is the right way while alluding to the way others pay is a chump’s game. You pay no matter what route you take..."
^^^ This.
It's interesting that HOW you pay actually matters to some of the PLs around here. For example san_jose_guy always like to say he's paying her for her time, but not specifically for the sex. And 2ICEE will cover a stripper whore's tip payout and overall cost for her to leave the club early, plus buy her drug of preference, and then claim she's not paying for the sex.
LMAO at the end of the day we are all paying, but some of us need some mental gymnastics to think it's not paying (LMFAO but it is 😂).
SirLap, I couldn't agree more. It never ceases to amaze me how many PLs here like to pretend they have game because they can pay stripper's for their time. The majority of us see it for what it is; Disneyland for adults. You buy your tickets and enjoy the rides. Not any more complicated than that.
If you open your wallet, take out the money, lay it on the table and stare it; you will see everything she likes about you just as she does. If you think that you're different; it means you need counselling lol.
^ Perfect explanation that’s the system
Wallanon more convos are centered on prostitution than strippers. And very few are centered on appreciating strippers and anything positive about them.
@icee yeah and then there are those threads where one bitches and whines about Instathots or one wants to kill themself over a junkie stripper whore...not exactly positive threads too...to your point...😂
"SirLap, I couldn't agree more. It never ceases to amaze me how many PLs here like to pretend they have game because they can pay stripper's for their time. The majority of us see it for what it is; Disneyland for adults. You buy your tickets and enjoy the rides. Not any more complicated than that."
^^^@JustinTolook it really is crazy. I've read countless san_jose_guy and 2ICEE/IceyLoco/PhatBoy99 posts and threads, and both of them go to great lengths to explain how they paying stripper whores is somehow NOT paying for the sex that comes with it. They both want so bad not to be just another TUSCL PL that they'll commit to writing volumes of posts and even create their own "systems" just to differentiate themselves from an everyday trick.
I think it's a self-loathing and low self esteem defense mechanism myself. It comes from their shame that the only way they can get a woman is if she's a stripper whore and they have to resort to paying her for GFE.
To me they end up looking even more pathetic than just admitting and accepting that they are no different than any other PL on here. LOL just own your PL nature. On TUSCL you're with your own people. 😆
^ Ah Sir Lap they are different and soooo very special.
ICEE wrote,
"This group isn't really about strip clubs. its about misogynysts and sheltered married men locating strip clubs where they can find hookers. Thats why people like Rick are taken seriously."
He is spot on.
The System (tm) is about setting up immediate OTC, instead of buying dances. That makes very good sense. And it is about sessioning with strippers, instead of calling escort ads. Also very good sense.
The problem comes in with Dugan's attitude towards the women. What he needs is either a Marriage Councilor or a Divorce Lawyer.
He once told me that I did not have "enough sack". No, he is the one without enough sack.
SJG
LMAO so it's actually OK to pay a hooker for sex but you should at least have a good attitude in the process of it. Got it. 😂
I didn't mean that as a positive thing. Treating strip clubs as brothels hurts legit dancers.
^^^ @san_jose_guy so as an alternative to The System (tm), how is this working out for you? Have any of those AMP whores you stalked as per this thread become your civilianized "girlfriends" yet? Are you still texting with any of them yet? Because it was never just about the money for sexual services now, was it? 🤔
"This time she was awesome! Previously she had always wanted the tip money up front. This time she never said a word about it, until at the end I pressed it into her hand and she seemed genuinely surprised and said, "Thank You" without counting it.
Usually that means the girl stands fully ready for immediate civilianization, like that night."
^^^ This is just one of many examples of how important it is to san_jose_guy that his AMP whore GFE doesn't just view their interactions as just about the money. It was so important for him to believe that the AMP whore didn't really care about the tip money at this later session. He wanted to believe so bad that she was slowly changing her attitude towards him as a "boyfriend" rather than as her trick. All because she trusted him to tip her without her having to ask for it up front.
It's mental gymnastics. 🤸🤸🤸
This site hosts a great many imbeciles, jerk-off artists, and zombies.
In other countries, smart guys, they keep beautiful women. This is not the same as paying hookers for sex.
SJG
This site also hosts posers that post ad nauseam about how they are going to "civilianize" a stripper or AMP whore but NEVER actually do it.
There's this one poser PL from San Jose in particular that's been posting but never actually going out and doing anything with strippers. All he does is post! And that's it!
The women who dance in strip clubs are no different from other women.
When it comes to someone like Rick Dugan, he needs either a Marriage Councilor or a Divorce Lawyer. But he is such a creepy shit head, that probably it is his spouse who needs to retain a Divorce Lawyer.
SJG
No shit women are women. Strippers included.
Outside of their jobs is when they are truly like other women. But in the club it's all business. Including front room making out, FYI.
And the PLs that try to use their work to establish a civie relationship with them are the dumbasses. If you want a civie relationship with a stripper then do it completely civie and stay out of the club as you establish it.
I have had at least 4 civie relationships that started front room in the club but after I had their phone number it was completely civil and I never went back into the club to see them we always met at her house after that and went on dates from there.
I will answer your question so we can put this to rest.
Yes! End of discussion.
@jestrite50 yeah I get that and understood. I don't see that as dumbass moves. My point is that you should be completely civie with a stripper from the start which is your approach. There's no "system" to it and there's no special secret to it other than that. What you did by getting their number is no different than if you had met them elsewhere. By dumbasses I mean guys that espouse systems that are tied to a stripper's work and that play upon the things that they do while working. san_jose_guy and 2ICEE are ones that have these "systems" which are just embellished OTC GFE arrangements.
And kudos to you actually going out and getting dates with strippers! That's much better than just theorizing about it (ad nauseam) for years.
@Cashman LOL it's a san_jose_creep thread. It never ends until he loses internet access.
The answer was yes before he even created the thread. 😂
^^ Two points SirLapApe
First, all correct answers are correct before questions were asked. That is basic logic.
Now if we were to attack the problem from an epistemological standpoint you might say that most posters didn’t know the answer until they knew the question and you would also be correct. You would also be saying shit that only us super intelligent ricks understand so you should probably zip it.
Second, the answer is not “yes”. The answer is “no, the system is sublime guidance to all male creatures for we ricks have climbed the mountaintop and seen the promised land and its a bunch of hot naked females that really want some rick lovin’”
Now you know. ROAR!!!
@rickthelion my bad. I thought your rickape, rickdugan, was still paying those hot naked females.
Regardless I'm glad you set the record straight for, san_jose_creepy_ape.
Seeing women from the P4P side and from the civvie side both helps you to better understand them. Neither side alone really gives you an accurate picture.
GF and BF is really an adolescent concept, meaning that both parties are being supported by their parents.
Beyond that though, most women in relationships are somehow getting material support. Wives, Mistresses, and GF's of rich guys, they are usually getting material support. But this does not mean that they are hookers.
Really it is a continuum. It is the Marriage-Prostitution system. It is hard to get away from it unless there is some broader social context which guarantees the women economic security. But this kind of stuff is the exception, it is not common. Most women still look to intimate relationships with a man as their economic security. Though today most will pursue careers outside of the home, most of the time this money is just to help with higher priced home purchase.
It also increases the risk of financial collapse:
Being generous with a woman in a strip club is just a show of respect. She could not be there unless she knew that she would be getting money. She might even end up wearing sensible shoes
and working in the finance sector.
I want to keep her in 10" pleasers and makeup
If on top of respectful generosity you speak to women in strip clubs in a respectful and civilian way, and never act like they are selling sex or anything else, and are open and honest with them and let them know all the things a girl will want to know, often they will really open up to you and be ready to leave with you at the end of their shift. I can personally attest to this.
The fact is, many of these women do have outside relationships, or at least they want that. Sometimes this may mean that the guy is giving her money, but this does not mean that she is a hooker being paid for sex.
Women go along with being treated as vending machines and with guys who are cheating on their wives in strip clubs, because they are being paid. But this does not mean that they like it or think much of the guys.
And Front Room Makeout Sessions are a lot more likely once she realizes that you are not treating her that way, and that she could well end up waking up in the mornings with you.
Cheating on your wife is sometimes a survival strategy, but it is still an act of desperation. A lot of guys on this forum act like it shows how cool they are. This is idiotic, and I would direct this most at RickDugan and SirLapDance.
SJG
Lady Love (2007 Remaster) youtube.com
LOL there goes san_jose_creep continuing it to talk about how to interact with strippers but he cannot share not even one actual meet up with a stripper in the last 5 years.
He's all talk and NO ACTION.
LMAO and please find just one quote by me trying to "show how cool I am" in getting lapdances and going to strip clubs behind my wife's back. You're talking out of your ass on that one too. In fact, my posts about it have been an admittance that I need to stop doing it behind her back and have definitely slowed down all my strip club visits because of it.
You, on the other hand, justify your cheating on your wife with strippers and AMP whores as if you were going to die if you didn't cheat. That's bonafide idiotic, so get off your high horse like you aren't a cheater yourself. 😂
There will be signs and trumpets will sound, and then the Ubermensch will descend on the throne with the four creatures, Lion, Vulture, Turtle, and Crab.
E - Eb E - Eb E - Eb E - Eb
Major or Minor?
Will the Ubermensch be good or evil?
SJG
This is the first time I saw this thread, lol. I should have kept SJG on ignore. Yet another thread trolling a 12 year old article. How original.
But I will take issue with this:
===> "But we see the low esteem Dugan holds the dancers in. And then they don't even return his phone texts, except some when it comes to the first of the month."
I neither hold dancers in low esteem nor do I text them at all unless they text me first. I greatly enjoy my time with entertaining ladies, but at the same time I don't chase after them.
As far as the rest, I'm not going to quibble over whether any dancer who ever agrees to have sex for money is a hooker who will fuck anyone. I'm guessing that, for many of you, this has actually been the case. 😉
Ok, so pardon the interruption as I exit and let this revert back to a "pay hookers for sex" echo chamber.
^^^ always refer to my tag line as a moniker for most pathetic losers on this site.
Almost everyone in the discussions just talks about paying hookers. Dancer and stripper sugar baby are used as euphemisms for hooker. Otc and itc are just ways of saying paying a hooker for sex.
It just shows how much guilt they have. Can't even admit to what they do.
^^^ Yeah icee you can't admit the same thing. You "date" stripper whores by giving them a lot of money and drugs, no different than a trick or sugar daddy.
Can't even admit to what YOU do. Lulz.
bottom line. attractive girls cost money. One way or another. if you’re lucky enough to have one attractive one that you’re not paying one single cent for ( in anyway ) you’re damn lucky.
There's a difference between spending money on a girl and spending money for a girl
The issue with Rick Dugan is the low regard he has for the girls, and the fact that he does not want to know them, and that they do not want to know him.
In general, women like to be with guys who have money, but this does not mean that it is always this way for them. Lots of beautiful young women staying with starving artists, writers, and students.
SJG
"There's a difference between spending money on a girl and spending money for a girl"
^^^ replace "girl" with "hooker" and it sounds a lot like euphemism for paying for sex. 😂😂😂
It just shows how much guilt YOU have. Still can't even admit to what YOU do. Lulz!
Human brains got bigger. For some reason, brains can't grow much after birth.
Women's pelvic bones spread apart so a big head/brain could fit between. This is why curvy hips are hot, means your kid won't have to be a micro-brain.
Wide pelvis means you can't run so good, thus can't hunt as well. So you evolve hidden estrus, so guys aren't sure when it's time to get some. So they're always wanting to get some. So they go hunting and give you what they get, all the time.
The System is they take our meat. Civilization means we have many different, complicated ways of doing stuff that was once simple.
What shocks me on this forum a lot of times is how hard it is for these guys to even get hookers to agree to fuck them. I'm thinking wtf do they have to be like in person for that to happen.
And their experiences in Vegas clubs....
My experiences are the exact opposite of theirs yet they act like there's something wrong with me 😭
ICEE, you are 100% correct in your observations. It is the attitude these guys bring the the situations.
And this is another reason I want to look to something beyond strip clubs. They have actually become very conservative institutions.
So I see this as being in private events. These would not be about Republican Wife Swapping, but more something which supports Polyamory.
SJG
Dio - Heaven And Hell Live In London 2005 youtube.com
LOL icee you are master of paying hookers for sex. 😂😂😂
I think you get the advantage by targeting junkies and offering drugs in addition to money. 🤑
But the parties you describe already exist
I have zero respect for people who brag about how they can get something for nothing. That leads to a world where you can't walk out your door without body armor and a pistol on your hip.
If a chick really wants to simply knock boots with you, it will happen with no System needed. Maybe some guys can hook up regularly, but clearly not as many as brag that they can. I'm certainly not one of them. So I have to provide some incentive. When chicks really want no $ (or equivalent goods) incentive, their incentive is they want to suck you into a seriously miserable situation.
There are some chicks who will try to get you whipped, cause their incentive is what they'll get on the back end. So, with them, you can have some System for making them think you'll get whipped when you won't. I guess it's fair, you're beating them at their own game. But it still feels ugly to me, I'd rather just be generous.
Spending on and spending for are 2 very different things and it's the easiest way to view it.
"Spending on and spending for are 2 very different things and it's the easiest way to view it."
^^^ Not when she's a hooker or a euphemism for one.
LOL icee you grasp at straws because the only women that give you the time of day are strippers that ho on the side, do drugs, or both.
The easiest way to view it is that you pay hookers for GFE. 😂
This says it best.
Ass, gas, or grass, no one rides for free.
Baffles me how anyone here thinks otherwise.
Money is part of all aspects of our lives. This does not mean that women are always selling sex, or that men are always buying.
SJG
Legality is about more than semantics.
^^^^ No, legalities are usually semantics. Lots of grey areas, and lots of interpretations which could never be enforced in a jury trial with competent defense.
SJG
Unless they're rich no one spends that much on a trial. A prosecutor just has to argue intent. That's it.
And if there is no evidence on which to make that argument, the case will be quickly dismissed. There won't even be a bust. Cops stay away from such situations.
The law is what can practically be enforced, not abstract philosophy.
sJG
They don't need evidence. It's the cops word and a prosecutor using that to argue intent.
No one can argue anything in court without evidence. Cops and prosecutors don't act until they have evidence.
SJG
Being caught with a hooker or in a place with hookers is enough evidence. But when you're charged a prosecutor will add on charges and see what sticks. You can even be charged with an incohate offense like conspiracy to commit solicitation lulz.
" caught with a hooker or in a place with hookers is enough evidence"
Negative! What kind of a crazy Gestapo world are you living in that you would think that.
SJG
It's enough for prosecutors to argue intent.
What kind of a world do you live in ICEY, I have helped people facing such charges obtain legal representation.
There first has to have been evidence of a crime. Then the prosecutor will try to argue intent. You have got it backwards.
And what do you care anyway? Do you really think it is immoral if a woman is a prostitute? Who decides who she can fuck?
SJG
The arrest and word of the police officer are enough evidence.
I think just reading stuff on this site shows you how predatory men who engage in prostitution are. Laws protect women. Help them with exit strategies.
Cross examination of witnesses, opposing witnesses, jury.
What kind of crazy world are you living in ICEY, what is driving you?
And adult women can decide what they can do with their bodies, they do not need laws to protect them from themselves.
SJG
Most solicitation cases don't go to a jury trial.
Prostitutes are an extremely vulnerable segment of the population. Youre really concerned about being able to engage in solicitation without possible legal ramifications
Right, the prostitution laws only still stand because most defendants plead guilty. If they had to go to trial, the laws would collapse.
I don't care if they solicit. They solicit me on the sidewalk and I am very polite to them.
Amnesty International says that se workers are vulnerable to abuse. But they have taken the position that the best solution and the best way to protect them is decriminalization.
SJG
Coz decriminalization puts a focus on helping them vs jailing them. It's not a free for all for tricks.
When a solicitation charge goes to trial its very expensive to beat.
There has to be some evidence before there can even be a charge. Our criminal justice system is unfair for those at the bottom.
BUt no, those who want decriminalization do not want any kind of help. They want the authorities to stay the fuck out of their lives.
SJG
The evidence is the arrest and officers word.
Decriminalization turns it into a social problem rather than a criminal one. It's not ignoring it.
Many people do not see it as a social problem, but as a basic right.
If you have been arrested without cause, your public defender will as the prosecutor to motion to dismiss. Often they will and then that is the end of it.
LE agencies know that they can't be having that happen too often or it will undermine their credibility.
Prostitutes are not immoral or otherwise tainted.
Really ICEY, I don't know what is driving you, but you are seriously misguided.
SJG
Being caught with a hooker is cause.
No, the prostitution law used to be a status crime. But things have changed. For the most part our laws are not enforced that way because of SCOTUS rulings, especially the Warren Court.
ICEY, I don't know what your problem is, but you are getting tiring. You aren't adding anything to this.
SJG
You're talking about fictitious what if scenarios. The fact is its illegal. And sure you can do it without getting caught.
Crazy to see SJG turn on even ICEE, who used to be his best buddy on these forums. But I guess it's like what SLD said, the moment anyone tries to disrupt SJG's fantasy world he gets angry and dismissive.
It's not attacking. I'm just pointing facts out
I agree, ICEE. It's just interesting to see his reaction. He's upset with you just because your statements differ from his fantasy of how he wants things to be. Even if your statements are true.
It's easy to want to believe something because it makes you feel good or you find escape in it or find a justification for action or inaction in your life.
We've all been there to a point.
And it's easy to want sex workers to be what we want them to. That's a part of the fantasy they sell.
But I think if you want to pay hookers just see it for what it is and be careful. The more naivette you show the more they'll push boundaries. And the legal aspect is just a fact. Its illegal.
Add it to the list then
Dugan's entire practice revolves around paying money to women he looks down on.
SJG
I'm gonna take the bait.
SJG, why do you think Rick Dugan looks down on dancers? You've accused me and a few others of that as well, but never gave any reasons besides saying if you don't want to kiss them then you look down on them. Which is a crock of shit btw. Most dancers don't want to kiss customers, so what's your point?
Dugan talks about them in a derisive manner, and consistently. He is extreme here.
Approached the right way, most unattached women do want to kiss. They don't really seem to have any defensible boundaries beyond that.
Find the one you like, and make it happen with her. If you have an SO, be faithful to her and don't fool around with others.
SJG
Mexico City
King Crimson youtube.com
I like women who dress slutty.
SJG
@SJG I don't agree with your rhetoric. But I've seen you say this and other things I know for a fact not to be true time and time again so I'll just leave it alone.
Women like male attention, they don't want to be alone in the world. They want to be kissed and they want to be fucked. And they like money, material support and social climbing.
SJG
That's the whole red pill incwl premise of social hypergamy.
The real key to women is how you make them feel.
LMAO "make them feel" is an icee euphemism for "get them addicted". 😂😂😂
Observers more astute than I have long ago recognized that when a man pays women for sex, what he is really doing is paying them to go away. This is what Dugan is doing.
But not everyone relates to the women in that way.
SJG
Mexico City doxyspotting.com
The White Stripes - Jolene. Glastonbury 2002 youtube.com
^ That's a little South Park wisdom from Chef
Rickdugan has to coerce hookers into p4p . He has to be really fucked up for them to need coercion.
But he is one of the few on here who understands what p4p is and isn't
Dugan is really fucked up. But P4P is still no a bright line distinction.
SJG
Hookers will fuck anyone. Begging or coercing or waiting for them to be desperate before they'll do a guy means they sense something very wrong with him
There is no reason to relate to women the way Dugan does.
SJG
Seven Nation Army youtube.com
"Hookers will fuck anyone. Begging or coercing or waiting for them to be desperate before they'll do a guy means they sense something very wrong with him"
^^^ Hey icee what if you're so desperate that you offer a coke junkie stripper $5K just to talk to you coz you're broken hearted over her?
And you feign a suicide attempt over her coz she found a new sugar daddy?
Is there something very wrong with that guy too?
Hypothetically speaking only lulz. 😂😂😂
Always want to relate to the women who do P4P just like you would any other woman, not differently.
SJG
I'm not saying to act like rickdugan. I'm saying as long as it's p4p that's all it is.
Someone who wants to can still function in P4P environments and get under the women's skin right off. Most of the time.
SJG
If P4P is a healthy thing for a particular woman to do, she'll be in a good mood as long as you're polite. It's unlikely you'll seriously get under her skin unless you work in sales. Sex work is a sales job, you just happen to be selling a service you yourself provide. Sales work attracts a certain personality, if you don't share that personality, you'll probably be fairly boring to them. Younger or less smart women in P4P go for the classic playa/slinger type. Because they don't yet understand that the true playas wear ties and have a bank account.
My experience is that outside a few places like elite colleges, most young women are quite engageable. In P4P venues, and especially in strip clubs, the women are not really as hard surfaced as they pretend to be. They only do that to protect their feelings from being hurt, and cause it makes it easier to rake in the money. Fact is, that even dolled up and wearing very little, most guys will not show any real interest in them.
People have always commented that most beautiful women can be found sitting at home along. Guys are intimidated by them.
And the tall ones are afraid to wear high heels.
And then with a sex worker, she is leading a stigmatized life and she knows it. So anyone who treats her just like he would any other woman, will make a big impression on her.
SJG
Tommy Tutone - 867-5309/Jenny youtube.com
with keyboard, I like this version youtube.com
I've engaged with sex workers many places. Now as far as free, why do you want that. Most experienced womanizers like to keep them on the payroll. Just works better.
SJG
Now we have the Rick Rule:
SJG
"I've engaged with sex workers many places."
Oh we're sure of that, places including the leather guys at the gay bar, the performers and dancers at the gay night clubs, the bathhouse bouncers and towel boys, and lest we forget your beloved underground Mexican hat dancing boys.
Is SJG merely fucking fat chics for free, and claiming he is a PUA?
TheeOSU, the Night Saint standing under a street light. Only problem though is that SJG used a curved needle to sew his asshole shut, so he lost half of his service menue.
And then Meat72, clearly not one who appreciates fat chicks.
SJG
^^^ that’s because you hoard them all to yourself, and think that you’re a Don Juan playboy. You’re a Don alright, just a Don Quixote charging windmills in your delusional and crazed filled fantasy about starting an organization where you claim there’s stripper grade hotties draining you dry 24/7, when in fact your an organization of one for the last 7 years posting in this site fucking fat ugly chics that nobody else wants!
There will be stripper grade hotties draining your dry 365 days per year. But I also like fat chicks.
7 years, well it is a complex plan, takes time. Things are happening. Some things got delayed because the COVID shelter order destroyed retail, especially things which are cooperative.
SJG
ESS JAY GEE
Rick Dugan at his very finest:
How could anyone add to this?
SJG
Peter Frampton, Do You Feel Like We Do, Festival de Viña 2008 w/ Rob Arthur 26min youtube.com
"I also can't imagine a situation where a girl is so expensive that I could only see her once per month." tuscl.net
SJG
"This really sucked donkey ass. Neither she nor I can host and I'm too old to be doing this shit in a car even if she'd agree, which I doubt she would given what I know about her. So all I could do is walk away."
SJG
How is that different from you looking for vulnerable women for p4p?
I do not look for vulnerable women. And I never treat women like "hookers"
SJG
GEORGE FEST - Norah Jones - SOMETHING @ Fonda 09-28-14 youtube.com
You seek out amps and hookers and pay them for gfes . You always talk about how marginalized women are more likely to have p4p
Women who feel that they are above everyone else, like sorority girls and the homecoming queen can be hard to deal with.
The women who work in AMPS, strip clubs, and on the sidewalk are right out there, dressing and painting up to get to you.
I don't even really do GFE anymore. I don't go after any kind of a service. I treat them like one would any other womam.
SJG
Women who sell sex on the sidewalk are hookers.
And I never insult women like that. They are just giving guys what they want. You can't make them wrong over that.
SJG
It's not an insult. They're prostitutes. Women selling sex on the street are hookers. They're making money in exchange for sex
When you pay them you hire them
If you look at it that way. Dugan and most of the people on this board do. But I do not. They are candidate mistresses.
SJG
You just rent them for a test run? It doesn't matter what you call it. It's the same thing.
I NEVER treat women as prostitutes, not in any situation.
SJG
Of course you do. You seek out prostitutes and pay them for sex.
I NEVER treat women as prostitutes, not in any situation.
SJG
Frampton youtube.com
You pay them for sex
I give them what they ask for. But I never talk like money buys them, like they sell sex, or like they sell sexual services.
In a strip club or AMP I know that they expect money, so I am free with it. But never do I ask them to do fee for service or act like money is anything other than taking care of them.
SJG
You can call it whatever you want but that's all it is. Paying hoes for sex.
I never threat them like hookers, never talk to them like money buys them or like they sell sex or sexual services.
SJG
^^^ yiu may believe in your head you’re not treating them like sex workers, but the girl is selling you a fantasy and as long as you are feeding her $$ she lets you believe whatever you think because she is getting paid. However everyone knows you’re paying her for sex, and anything else is just being a delusional narcissist who thinks he can build an organization out of sex workers.
The whole point is to get the girl off script to the point that her on the job persona no longer works.
See, of course they use scripts, because that is how they can approach one guy after another and face the rejections.
So just like an actress in a play, she is just playing a part. But the role only goes so far. She is not really going to stab someone with a knife, etc.
So you engage with her and just push her buttons and be open and honest with her, and she will be gotten off script.
Best to start with your first words to her. Her on the job persona only works so far. Eventually she just has to be herself.
SJG
Ginger Baker's Air Force - Today (1970) youtube.com
You're paying hookers for a gfe. But call it being generous for a girlfriend audition
No, of course the girl can decide how far she wants to go.
But generosity just shows good intentions. And then as she gets of script things start to happen.
DV centerfolds girls who had recited the position, "I don't kiss", start to demonstrably reverse themselves.
SJG
Damn why is such an obvious concept so popular
You pay her and she performs. Generosity gets her to engage in a girlfriend audition right?
That is not true if you get her completely off of her on the job script, and if you never treat her as a postitute.
That you are also giving her money does not matter, it is just a show of care and of respect.
SJG
Memphis Mishraim Egyptian Masonic Order, APRMM youtube.com
^^^ you’re delusional! Have you ever kept a sex worker in your organization past a one night performance before she figured out how crazy yiu are and ran for zee hills?
Ha Ha Ha!
I think the idea is the European idea of keeping a mistress. She is not a wife, but she is not a hooker either.
But stupid if you try to get her to verbally agree to this. Instead you just make it that way.
SJG
If you get her off her job then you don't pay her for sex and she's like a civvie.
Money is just a show of respect. It shows her that you are not wasting her time, and that you know that she has bills to pay.
SJG
This SJG/Icee infinite loop is on about 10 different threads
Icee: "You're paying for sex!" SJG: "No, she's giving me sex and I'm paying as a show of appreciation."
I was given my groceries, and paid them as a show of appreciation. I wouldn't stoop to think they were just doing it for the money.
BTW Icee is right here.
If they won't fuck you without pay, you're paying for sex. You're a fucking john. Own it.
Most sexual relations between men and women do involve money, material, or social advantage. The exception is with adolescents who are being supported by their parents.
SJG
Benefiting from a relationship isn't the issue.
Paying prostitutes for sex is just that. It's not a big deal.
Giving money as an act of generosity for girlfriend auditions where they fuck you after handing her money. Is paying a hooker for sex
Now, if she goes for it, which she usually will, its the beginning of having a mistress.
Mistress is the adult version of BF and GF.
BF and GF is really an adolescent concept, pertaining to people being supported by their parents.
Most women who are older than that are getting money, material, or social advantage through the men that they fuck.
None of them are permanently marked as "prostitutes". That is rather a role they can take on in situations where it is wanted.
SJG
No you're describing being a hookers regular.
It's all paying for hookers
I will not adhere to any nonsense on these boards questioning the effectiveness of The System™ although I am quite impressed with all your research bringing up a 12 year old thread.
Thank god San Jose Public Library doesn’t have an adult filter on their wi-fi.