Will there be any stripclubs or dancers when this is over?
THE CHAINDOG
Massachusetts
Wednesday, February 3, 2021 11:18 AM
Clubs have been closed for over a year now in the commonwealth of Mass. Dancers have fled to states where clubs are open, or have found other jobs. When do clubs close thier doors for good? Who will be dancing 6 months from now?
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As for the dancers, who knows. I’d say eventually the dancers will come back, when clubs are in full swing where else can most dancers make that type of money?
Still, I am a little concerned just like you. Our clubs closed back in March. I don't see any vacant or for sale signs in front of them. But I'm wondering how it will be if/when they open back up. CA was ready a kind of shitty place for dancers because of that AB5 law.
This joint was the "Follies" of NJ. I'd say a lot better from the Follies reviews I've read, compared to my decades of experience at this place. Fucking China virus cocksuckers can go fuck themselves.
They never mentioned "entertainers" once.
One thing they did mention was that this restaurant had to get rid of 85 employees (not the interesting part) and they would have sales of 4.92 (yep under 5 bucks) for the whole day sometimes. It would be one customer for the whole day! Must have been when it was to go only-I think the lady said it was a piece of pie. Wonder if that customer tipped the remaining 8 cents out of their fiver!
If the guys show up when things reopen with money to burn the girls will follow until equilibrium is reached.
On the other hand if you have favorites who you haven't been in touch with, there's a decent chance they are out of the business. They also may be 30 pounds heavier.
The current generation of Millennials will get older and have more money to spend, just like the generations of older degenerates before them. The biggest wildcard is not online competition, but what local governments continue to do to try to shut them down. It's also not helping certain northern cities that they are rapidly losing their most affluent residents to friendlier states.
When the bay boomers go, so will the strip club
I think you may be wrong on the facts that strip club numbers are growing. Someone posted a thread not too long ago (Wall maybe?) counting the number of clubs listed on Tuscl 10 years ago and now. While obviously not a perfect measurement (not all clubs are listed on tuscl), club numbers were way down in every state except FL and maybe TX if I remember correctly. Also maybe Vermont which went from like 2 clubs to 4.
That said, I personally agree with your conclusion that the internet isn’t a substitute for a good club for me, but it does seem to lessen the needs of some dudes to club.
Out here in the midwest, we don’t all live in Detroit or Chicago. My area lost half its clubs in the past 10 years. I think we’ll lose a couple more by the end of this year.
w.r.t. older clubs closing; IMO:
1) seems many, if not most/all, areas/cities, are not allowing “new” SCs to come online; i.e. seems they are not giving out new permits/licenses; and seems the only way to have a “new” SC is to purchase the licenses/permits from an old/existing one; or as one dancer told me, often times a “new” club leases the permits from the original-owner (which if this is indeed doable then makes sense the original-holder may not wanna give up the permits and is much more beneficial to lease the permits and hold onto them)
2) as with any business; there can be an oversupply (of clubs) – I recall when I lived/SCed in Dallas in the 2000s, there was a club that would get some ebony-dancers that would come down from OKC (~3hr drive) to dance on the weekends and then drive back – one of the dancers told me that in the late-90s when the stock-market started booming then the mostly-sleepy OKC clubs where all of a sudden flushed w/ paper-millionaires and the older guys that were retiring around that time and tapping into their new-found-wealth were spending really-well in the clubs – i.e. as w/ many businesses, decent-chance that the # of SCs goes up and down w/ the economy and when the economy is booming “everyone gets to eat”
And this is exactly the point I was making. Jacksonville FL has also been a good club location. There will be ebbs and flows based upon economic conditions, but overall when times are good there is still a lot of demand for clubs in friendlier environments and I suspect there always will be until something comes along that includes lots of naked in person girls.
Just go into a club here in Atlanta or J'ville or several other friendlier cities on a Th-Sa night and you'll see large crowds and tons of girls working. There is plenty of demand for clubs still, from both old and younger generations.
A lot of college aged hotties are going to say fuck college and fuck getting (or keeping one they already have) a 9 to 5 job once this is over. I'm sure they'll hear from their friends (strippers) how much they used to make and how much they are currently making (whether stripping in bad times in clubs that are open or at their current "normal" job)
There may be so many applying at clubs that a lot of hotties don't make the cut at the top of the line clubs. It'll be up to them to try for the middle of the road clubs. Then down the ladder. Middle of the road dancers may not make the cut at the middle of the road clubs. Will be up to them if they go for the more "dive" clubs.
There will be plenty of dancers, plenty of customers possibly and most likely fewer clubs.
Once things get going again, will strippers be better with handling their money and finances knowing something could happen again, I seriously doubt it!
"... The governor opened up the clubs Monday Feb. 1st after being closed for a couple of months as part of the covid lockdown ..."
"... About 7pm I took a short 10 minute walk from Greektown Casino hotel to Legends ... The club had a ton of girls that night 50+ and it seemed more of a reunion for the girls since there were probably half that many patrons at peak that night ..."
"... VIP was closed for now so the only action was just stage tipping and sitting with your favorite girl(s) ... Wide range of talent but most girls were pretty and friendly. Some were interested in OTC given the restrictions in place but I did not take up any options there this time. Girls are not allowed to even sit in your lap right now which is no fun ..."
"... I hung out tipping girls and drinking until close which is now a 10pm limit under present covid rules .. I guess there is not much more to say. The club scene is pretty lame right now in Michigan right now but at least they are open ..."
So this may be an example of pent-up demand (at least on the dancers' part) - although it remains to be seen if the dancers stick around given the current state of the clubs if this state does not change quickly enough.
The fall may bring a rush of girls needing jobs and still slowness as hostesses.
I've had long time strippers tell me the average earnings per girl has dropped and the change in customer composition is more a factor than change in number of customers. A main source of income was middle aged white guys and that demographic is decreasing. Neighborhoods decline over time as people move further out to the suburbs. All the clubs are stuck in the old declining neighborhoods since they can't open in a new location due to local government actions. The neighborhood locals hang out in the clubs and give them a more dangerous vibe. There are more fights and more open drug dealing going on in the clubs than what I've seen in the past. We have even had several shootings here in the Indianapolis clubs in recent years. This scares off the old white guys with money. So in the future, the clubs will take on an increasingly ghetto feel as the customer base moves in that direction. It will be more young guys, more nonstop hip hop music, declining stripper incomes, and less attractive strippers since attractive young women have better options than low paid work that has lost any glamour it might have once had in an earlier era.
The ones here are in industrial areas or in one case an Asian dominated commerical district.
Only thing is if businesses will send so many employees out on travel. My business had clients flown in (probably that we paid for at least half), wined and dined and I heard the higher ups guys speech several times. Same speech! Worked in a crappy office too that certainly wasn't part of he selling point. Now meetings are virtual. New clients still interested, but saving (probably both companies) the travel fees as the speech is virtual and I don't have to hear it now!
Saves a lot of money. Flights, hotels, dinners. Estimate 10-20 people (maybe more as some companies sent a lot of people) a month at least. Only time with no travel was Thanksgiving to new years. Although I think we did have a visit in early December one year.
Over the long term, my guess is clubs might be “over” as we know it once full service sex work is outright legal. I do think it’s coming. There is random legislation pushes in random places that seem to be chomping at the bits, like marijuana and gay marriage used to be. Will the stage sets continue? Who knows, many may not want to bother. But then again, Australia has legalization and clubs have remained alive over there.
That seems to be the M.O. and why SCs outside the U.S. can't compete - although from what I can tell Canada seems to have a mix of legal-sex-work and SCs