Is there a distance traveled for OTC where it starts to become pathetic?

And not for nothing, these phones with youtube and what not has really changed the driving game for me. I'll listen to something from Joe Rogan or Valuetainment or whatever and it has made driving so much better than used to be, being subject to whatever was on FM and not having any say in it. Now I just plug and aux cord into my phone and I have unlimited stuff to listen too.

Haha. The “WTF am I doing” test is a good one. For me, the travel, dick wettage and return travel would have to be capped at four hours total. If I am actually combining it with a fishing trip or something, that’s different.

Hmm. Interesting question. I've never driven further than the other side of whatever town I've been in, but I'm sure the right girl could tempt me to drive further. I've had several drive over an hour to meet me. These are dancers not SBs. Never done the SB thing, but the one I'm seeing now is probably more SB than dancer. She's worked maybe twice in the last couple of months, and I've seen her OTC at least 4-5 times in the same period. She drives over an hour.

If you have time, you could always get a room and plan some other activities over a 2 day period if that will ease your mind. You only live once so do what feels good as long as it doesn't hurt somebody else. We tend to regret things we don't do more than things we do. I know guys who fly to Thailand and the Dominican Republic to hit up whore houses for a couple of weeks. At least you aren't in that league.

At some point, I've wasted a lot more time than that in pursuit of (civilian) tail.

Even if the pussy's free an hour drive is too long for me. In the past I sometimes drove an hour or a little longer for a meet up, I'm not interested in doing that anymore.

3.5 hours one way? No, sorry, too far for less than a weekend. I'd cap it at 2-2.5 hours. Coincientally, how long it takes to get to Miami and Tampa

We aren't called "pathetic losers" for nothing. driving four hours for pussy isn't pathetic. The second guessing is pathetic.

how far is too far is up to you and no one else. Are you willing to do it? Do you feel it is worth it? if yes, do it. Don't give a rat's ass what anyone else thinks.

Another way to think about it, what else are you going to do this weekend? Watch some TV, go to a strip club, jerk off? Go, get your dick wet and do those things there.

the worst that happens is you spend a few hours driving and have a sexless weekend compared to staying home and having a sexless weekend.

"Another issue in general is if they want to try to pull a stunt or renegotiate they really got you by the balls." Only if handed her your balls. The drive to bean town has nothing to do with it. if you won't say no there, you won't say no here.

Go, help her pick out a sexy outfit to wear. Take her for dinner and drinks. Imagine the fun you will have later. Have that fun. Report back here Monday and make us jealous. Or don't do it and come Monday morning tell us how much you wish you had.

I used to drive 2.5 hours each way to meet up with my ATF at her place once a month for almost three years. Other than her, I haven't driven much more than 1 hour each way specifically for OTC. I do regularly arrange OTC around 2 hours from home but I plan those OTC visits around business trips in those cities.

If I ever meet a girl that I connect with as well as I did with my ATF I would be willing to drive more than 2 hours to meet up. It would have to take a real (or at least well faked) connection beyond just sex to be worth the drive. My ATF was more like a sugarbaby where we enjoyed going out to dinner and just hanging out talking for a while before and after our sexual activities and we are still friends several years after the sexual relationship (and $$) ended.

Good answers. And K your absolutley right. But in my defense if you saw this girl, you might be like, ok man I understand now. And not for nothing I am a guy who looks who like getting out and about and doing something different. I look for excuses to do it sometimes.

I like driving and enjoyed plenty of mongering road trips.

Before I knew about the fun in the VIP rooms in strip clubs, I took two mongering trips to San Jose, California which is about 6 hours away just to visit Vietnamese Bikini Coffee Shops.

I had heard San Jose was were there first Coffee Shop were and their was a great party scene at those Shops, the lowkey strip clubs, and the night clubs.

Though a little disappointing, I nonetheless had plenty of fun on both trips.

Also, i would drive 5 hours to Las Vegas for Hot Import Nights and Lowrider Carshows, both times I had plenty of fun (PG level).

After discovering the fun available in the COI clubs VIP rooms, I was soon introduces to TJ which is about a 2.5 hour drive.

As far as civvies, I've had relationships about 2-3 hours away.

My current GF moved back home when Covid hit, which is a 6 hour drive for me.

"But in my defense if you saw this girl, you might be like, ok man I understand now." - please expand on this. She could be the most beautiful woman in the world or look like she hit every branch falling out of the ugly tree. What is there to defend, you want to fuck this woman. Go do it.

You have the perfect excuse to do or not do anything. You want to do it. You don't want to do it.

FFS muddy, lol. You are in NYC, with its endless bounty of hot young ass of all ethnicities and cultures, and you are driving 7 hours round trip just to pay to play? No offense but you don't seem to value your time too much.

Personally if I have to drive much more than 30 minutes then it's more trouble than it's worth, regardless of how hot she is. There are just too many other options and with all of my obligations my free time is just too precious to me.

Now since you are unencumbered I could see weekend getaways than include some fun time with a hot gal. I did that from time to time when I was single. But for me at least there had to be a lot more to enjoy in that destination besides a short visit with one girl.

In my view this isn’t pathetic. It’s a long drive, I agree. But getting consistent pussy from a girl you find very attractive is worth the trip.

As mentioned above, guys travel to TJ, Asia and Europe in search of sex. I can’t judge those guys, as they also have their own reasons for doing what they do.

What I might find pathetic would be traveling over 3 hours to get strung along, and not get any pussy. But, guys will do that too, and I still feel that I shouldn’t judge them, as they choose how to spend their time and money.

If you want to see pathetic - watch a show called 90 day fiancé. Some of those guys meet girls online in impoverished countries and bring them to the USA. That’s rough!

@Muddy

To answer your question:

Is there a distance traveled for OTC where it starts to become pathetic?

NO

You said and I quote:

“It's just exactly what I like”

Remember this lyrics:

“I've found this to always be true There's billions of people that live in this world But there is only one you…”

She might be thinking the same way about you:

“this guy is really driving up from NYC to see me? And gives me a bunch of money. And buy me drinks. He must really like me!

I have to make sure he keeps doing this for ever.”

If she is smart she is not going to be ‘killing the goose that lays the golden eggs'

And you said it yourself:

“This particular girl is actually really reliable relatively but future long distance girls who knows”

“a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush”

I believe you are just insecure and fearful of the future without her. If she is who you like and you are lucky enough to have her, stop overthinking things and enjoy the good times.

I had a two year relationship with my ATF baby stripper, she was like a sugar baby

I would pick her up on Sunday afternoon, get an hotel room and make love, massage each other, have room service, sometimes we would go to dinner to a nice place.

I have thousands of pictures of her modeling cute sexy outfits I got for her. Around Halloween she was slave princesses Lea from Star Wars, Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader, Playboy Bunny. Around Christmas a sexy Miss Santa, naughty school girl...

Like I said she was a baby stripper when we meet, very beautiful, sweet, shy, innocent and nice, the sex got better and better because she was more comfortable and felt safe, relaxed and was able to let herself go and enjoy it, I enjoyed it too, she would experience multiple orgasms and was very shy and sweet about it.

Sometimes she would spend the night and would fall a sleep with her head on my chest like the little angel she was.

She texted me one last time letting me know she was moving on and thanking me for the relationship...

She was worth every penny and every second I spent on/with her.

Thank you for making me remember the good times.

To answer your final question

My question out there is ‘how far is too far for you’?

It doesn’t matter how far is to far for others, it is up to you, if she is who you want and you can afford to be with her, do it, and enjoy it.

And don’t get buyers remorse. If you can afford it time and money wise, just enjoy it.

I don't know where exactly the line is. For me, its WAY less than 3.5hr one way. Hell, its less than 3.5hrs round trip. The furthest I've gone is a touch over an hour round trip to pick her up and bring her back to my place. I've done that trip a few times, we usually just split the Uber though; she pays to get here and I pay for her to get home. But it's not just to have a few drinks and fuck once, she'll usually stay for a few days.

A couple years back, I did bring that same girl, her dog, and several boxes of her shit to her family's home in Orlando about 3hrs away. I was going anyway, staying for two weeks for work. I padded a few days in the beginning & the end to hang with her, she stayed the two weeks with her family. All in I probably drove an extra 3 hours or so picking her up and dropping her off twice.

I know it's not the same, but a girl I met in a Pompano club used to drive about 90 minutes one to see me. She didn't get anything more than a local girl would have got. She said she'd go to work on her way home, but I strongly suspect she had another customer nearby she'd go see after.

Maybe this is pathetic but after arranging OTC 3 hours away, I've been able to plan business trips to go along with this 3 hour drive. This has allowed me to expense the mileage and hotel room. Actually a few years ago, the mileage rate was so high I could fly & rent a car for not much more money than driving.

Maybe you should just propose to her and save all that driving......

Just a suggestion. 🤣😁😉

—>“There are just too many other options and with all of my obligations my free time is just too precious to me.”

Obligations? Like ensuring everybody (especially Subra) knows the importance of alcohol prices in club reviews?

===> "Obligations? Like ensuring everybody (especially Subra) knows the importance of alcohol prices in club reviews?"

You betcha' nice. If a club review fails to discuss the costs of being there then it is almost useless to me. ;)

@MUDDY I'm out of the game right now because of COVID. You're telling me the big titty supply is so depleted you have to leave NYC?

Hell I can't even explain it sometimes. I'm like a moth to the light man.

"You betcha' nice. If a club review fails to discuss the costs of being there then it is almost useless to me. ;)"

^ If you have to ask how much drinks are, you are too broke to afford going there anyway. Just fet a bottle of jack and stay home.

My situation doesn't involve OTC, but I find it sorta similar.

I've driven 4 and a half hours before just for some no strings attached dick. I won't even go into air miles I've covered.

===> "^ If you have to ask how much drinks are, you are too broke to afford going there anyway. Just fet a bottle of jack and stay home."

I'm sure that sounded great in your head, but pretty dumb on a board which talks about strip club alcohol pricing. The difference between partying at a club with reasonable bar practices and a clip joint can easily be hundreds of dollars. Maybe you'll understand one day when you have an actual club review under your belt. ;)

Eve - emotions aren’t bound by distance. With my civilian relationships, I’ve driven a long distance regularly, and the time spent together was the important thing. The sex was ok.

"And not for nothing, these phones with youtube and what not has really changed the driving game for me."

Muddy, you could have been listening to books-on-tape/cd or comedy albums for decades.

"I've driven 4 and a half hours before just for some no strings attached dick. I won't even go into air miles I've covered."

lol, now that is truly pathetic considering just about every guy out there is up for some NSA sex. That's like driving 4 hours just to go to a special McDonalds.

But if you're willing to travel that far for it there must be some sort of string pulling you back.

Back to the OP, I suppose another POV would consider it pathetic if you weren't willing to travel 4 hours to get laid.

Anyone remember that 80's John Cusack movie called The Sure Thing where he carpools across the country during Christmas break to get laid by Nicolette Sheridan?

===> "FFS muddy, lol. You are in NYC, with its endless bounty of hot young ass of all ethnicities and cultures, and you are driving 7 hours round trip just to pay to play? No offense but you don't seem to value your time too much."

I'll just add a question: Is it really 3 1/2 hours each way or much more? I've done that trip several times and I cannot ever recall making it in anywhere close to 3 /2 hours by car except for one time when I made it in about 4 driving in the wee hours of the night. I still drive pieces of that stretch several times a year and lived in various parts of S. New England and NYC metro most of my life. The traffic is slow at best and often atrocious from NYC until you get close to B'port CT on the Merritt (which is the route you're taking to get to 84 to pass through Hartford) and then again on the MA Pike as you get close to Boston right until you get in and around the city. Then there are gas and bathroom stops since very few cars can drive over 3 hours straight without a tank refill and or the driver needing to piss.

So let's true up the one way trip time for traffic and stops to, say, 4 1/2 hours, which is much more realistic. 9 hours round trip for a piece of paid tail. Better you than me, lol.

" But if you're willing to travel that far for it there must be some sort of string pulling you back. "

Nah, I'm not monogamous. I've always met people from online between a few miles or very far distances - be it for friendship or dicking or for a new romance. Plus traveling is awesome.

Depends on how often I go, how long I'd stay, and what else I'm doing there. There's a difference between her being your sole purpose and highlight of a trip. The latter you'd have a good time even w/o her, the former it would only be a good time bc of her.

NAAAASTY

I’m starting to like Eve more and more. I like your view of long distance - non monogamous- relationships.

I've driven for two days straight, about 1,000 miles to spend a week with someone. I've also on occasion driven to Virginia twice now to visit a stripper who only occasionally comes to Louisville. Of course, that wasn't my only reason for going (it was a work trip), she was a bonus.

I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve picked a club 20 minutes away because I was too lazy to drive an hour. Then you sit there like an idiot for an hour before getting a subpar dance and drive home with blue balls. The hour long drive home with a smile on your face is always worth it

Oh and driving is nothing compared to the many who partake in the sex tourism industry, luckily jersey has a steady stream of Brazilians or I might have gone a few times myself

Hey Muddy, I agree with the comments that if it’s worth it to you, then you have your answer. I live in Tucson, which is two hours from Phoenix. There are OK options for me locally, BUT all of my faves, both ITC and OTC are in Phoenix, which is why I regularly make up reasons to make the trek up I-10. I’ve done it for so many years I hardly notice the drive anymore. Now what your describing at 3.5 hours would be the equivalent of me driving to Flagstaff, which would definitely give me pause. However, if your girl is as smoking hot as you describe, I would absolutely make that trip, a few times per year, but definitely not monthly. Do what makes you happy!

In my single days I once drove 8 hours for a weekend of civilian pussy. For a whole weekend to a town I hadn't been before it was worth it.

On the other hand a couple times I drove two hours for basically an hour of fucking. Once four hours each way. 4 hours is too far for pussy I think.

When I am at my place in Arizona I will drive seven hours one way to Tijuana to enjoy some of my prefered ladies for a few days. afterwards i drive a couple hours to my little casa in the california mountains. i hang there a few weeks with side trips to some LA clubs (when open) and visit some friends and family. then back to arizona via tj.

I am going to rethink my position and say that if you enjoy doing it, then there is no distance too far. We drive 4 hours round trip for mexican food, so it seems like sex is as good, if not better to drive even further if that's what you like. We could drive to the nearest ski are in 5 minutes, but next month we'll drive 2400 miles because that's where we want to ski. Probably would do it to get laid too.