Do Club Owners Monitor (and learn) from TUSCL?
harrydave
New Jersey
This is kind of a follow-on thought to a couple of other threads that featured dumb ass things that some clubs do. Also, the recent thread on club types shows a pretty high level of agreement on what makes a club preferred (at least by the discussion contributors).
Collectively, we must have a bazillion years experience lurking in the shadows of clubs, and developing an appreciation for what does or does not work. Also, TUSCL reviews and ratings, from a much wider crowd, have been a great resource for me. My friiends think I am clairvoyant (or deviant, or both) when I steer them to a particular club in a city I have rarely visited.
So, do club owners pay attention? I think I might. I know they have some associations and an anuual convention, and some other business improvement stuff. But TUSCL is like a continuous, real-time performance meter. And a great piece of market research.
This is my hope, that more club owners would try to emulate the good clubs. Oh what a wonderful world it would be. ;-)
I mention TUSCL to strippers ("How did you find this place?"). Anybody ever encourage a manager or owner to check it out?
Collectively, we must have a bazillion years experience lurking in the shadows of clubs, and developing an appreciation for what does or does not work. Also, TUSCL reviews and ratings, from a much wider crowd, have been a great resource for me. My friiends think I am clairvoyant (or deviant, or both) when I steer them to a particular club in a city I have rarely visited.
So, do club owners pay attention? I think I might. I know they have some associations and an anuual convention, and some other business improvement stuff. But TUSCL is like a continuous, real-time performance meter. And a great piece of market research.
This is my hope, that more club owners would try to emulate the good clubs. Oh what a wonderful world it would be. ;-)
I mention TUSCL to strippers ("How did you find this place?"). Anybody ever encourage a manager or owner to check it out?
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Lol, I met the manager's son once at PP in Greenville. The music was so loud that I couldn't understand a word he was shouting. Finally he asked me if I spoke English. He was passing out tickets to something. I wasn't paying attention to him at first. Then he wasn't speaking loud enough since my hearing had gone partially deaf already that night. I didn't have any desire to speak (or shout) to him any longer. Learn from this site? I'm wondering if they even heard about it.
I do know of a guy who got banned from a club for badmouthing the club and the manager on the TUSCL board for that club.
Chandler and Yoda, you struck a chord. There is some combination of arrogance and stupidity. You rearely here stories like "management tried this rule, and it didn't work, so they got rid of it, convened a meeting of the strippers and waitresses, asked for their input, and came up with a new rule that was acceptable to all"! LOL! What have I been smoking.
DandyDan, I always thought it was all about alcohol sales in the topless clubs. I figured that what the main source of revenue. So it is doubly confusing when a club has a liquor license and half naked women, and still can't get guys to show up or stay!
Also, I think there is very little chance that these owners have access to a computer - at least one with internet access. They, as a group, certainly don't strike me as being computer savvy enough to hit the web.
Lastly, I DO know there ARE some owners/managers that DO check out the web, however I believe the majority of that group is using the STRIPCLUBLIST.COM site. Why? They can get on and look for free - no need to post reviews to keep their account active, plus they can post comments without anyone seeing the "screen name" of the poster. Of course, as we all know, that OTHER web site is loaded with false comments and is worthless for the most part.
As for the club owners using the info from TUSCL, if we stopped having the same old complaints over and over, I'd say yes, they are listening.
Seriously, if you want to register a complaint, your only real chance is to say it to a manager's face while you're in the club. Even in the 90% of times it doesn't produce any results, at least it feels better than grumbling anonymously online. A couple of times they've been surprisingly responsive for me, although not with any major policy changes.
Yes, if it's all about the money then they should be listening to the customers and to the dancers.
I do have to agree that in clubs that serve alcohol, its all about the alcohol sales as far as management is concerned. But if you decide your bar isn't doing good enough with alcohol sales alone and you decide to have topless or nude dancing, you got to do something to cater to the customers who are there for the dancing. That particular club owner who only cared about alcohol sales had his personal favorite dancers who basically ruled the roost and ran off more than their fair share of good dancers. I ran into dancers at other clubs, I mention to them this particular club and they all say they won't ever go back because some dancers are above the rules.
ArtCollege - I whole heartedly agree with your assumption. I too, believe that there have been instances of owners or managers, even dancers, making posted reviews, especially when you see non-member reviews.
chitownlawyer - please..... fill us in, unless it's client-attorney related of course! :-)
If I owned or managed a club, I'd sign up on this site and be known as a manager or owner of a club, but not disclose which one(s). I can learn to work with guys and gals that are avid clubbers. I think it would only be to my best interest.
I don't think club managers much care what customers think as long as they are making money. A lot of them probably think that they wouldn't make as much money if they made the kind of changes we'd all like to see (and in some cases they could be right.) I think the problem for us is that's it's too easy for clubs to make money in this business, which causes them to think they know it all.
I once got kicked off of a club's discussion board (Gentlemen's Gold Club in Baltimore) for continually suggesting that they make certain changes (specifically lowering prices on dances during the day shift since nobody was buying any - duh.) The funny thing is that 2 years later they're starting to implement some of my suggestions. Maybe I'll stop in again one of these days. I wonder if my old fave is still there.