Now Drew Brees is getting shit for standing up for our country
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Me, I'd rather be crucified and then burn hell for the rest eternity than not stand up for the flag. That's just me though. Somebody has to stick up for this country while others bury their head in the sand and bow lefty group think. Good for Brees, they really are like the mafia. As far as the NFL, I'm over it. I can't take it anymore. I'm just watching a bunch of knuckleheads who hate America, make millions off her.
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Me, I'd rather be crucified and then burn hell for the rest eternity than not stand up for the flag. That's just me though. Somebody has to stick up for this country while others bury their head in the sand and bow lefty group think. Good for Brees, they really are like the mafia. As far as the NFL, I'm over it. I can't take it anymore. I'm just watching a bunch of knuckleheads who hate America, make millions off her.
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But he did disrespect the flag - this is a classic case of the ends justifying the means - AFAIK people were not opposed to *what* he was protesting, but they were opposed to the *way* he went about it.
But I don't worship the flag though I respect and appreciate what it stands for. As an adult, I find the portion of the Pledge of Allegiance where one pledges allegiance to the flag to be silly. I pledge allegiance to the country for which it stands yes, but the flag, it's a symbol that merits respect but not worship or getting crazy uptight about.
And no, I'm not a pinko commie - my father served the entire WW2 on a destroyer in the Pacific theater, he was already in Navy when Pearl Harbor was bombed and the flag the Navy presented to our family at his funeral is one of my most treasured possessions (and yes WW2, he was significantly older than my mother).
He had been benched as starting QB during 2015 season for Gabbert who was even worse QB than Kaep.
During the anthem of 4th preseason game of 2016 when he did not get the start, he sat on the bench (not kneeled) during anthem - that was stupid and disrespectful.
During anthem at 5th preseason game, he kneeled with teammate Eric Reid. I wasn't a big fan of what he did but it was sure as hell better than sitting and the statement he was making merited being made even if I wasn't a fan of his method.
Then at some point he said he would continue kneeling until there was change in injustices committed by LE against African Americans and other persons of color (can't remember his exact quote or stated criteria for change, tried to find it but couldn't). He remained backup QB for first 5 weeks of season, then got his starting job back.
At some point he resumed standing for anthem despite his stated criteria not having been met.
Seems to me there was more to what was going on with his head and his acts than opposing racial injustice (immaturity, job insecurity, inability to mentally and emotionally deal with the simple fact he just wasn't very good and the NFL had caught up to his style of play).
OK, amateur psychology hour over.
True and good point. I don't know what else he could have done to bring as much attention to his stated cause, though, and that cause (racial injustice) merits lots of attention. Too bad Kaep (IMO) is not a super worthy standard bearer of that cause.
That Officer has been arrested and tried for murder what else do you want our country to do about it? In my city, the majority of the gangs are either black or latino. Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, etc. That's just the demographics of it and those gangs are where most of the hard crime comes from. So cops are going to have more run in's with them it just is what it is. What about black police officers (who are a good chunk of the NYPD), where do they fall in this? Are they racist too? Some people do horrible shit, it doesn't speak for everybody, the best we can do is make sure justice is served fairly.
Don't believe this media man. We get along a lot better than they say we do. They just love pitting black vs. white. But that flag is what unites us, and it's the solution not the problem.
@Papi your example of attacking the cop to protest police brutality was quite poor. Kaep wasn't commiting any crimes in his protest. There's no law that says you must stand while the national anthem is being played or you go to jail.
And as far as I'm concerned, a person's life is far more valuable than some symbol. Put the two side by side and to me that symbol is really just a piece of cloth.
I guess he should have rioted and looted.
I mean seriously, there doesn't seem to be a correct way for blacks to protest in America. No protesting is appropriate. If you're black, protesting is illegal. Is that the case? What is the right way?
This is just another example of Donald Trump showing his true colors as the bully and coward that he really is.
@25 I agree that Trump's unprofessionalism and antics have only worsened things but the left's answer to it is just as bad if not even more so.
Also, kneeling did not really accomplish any positive changes, it just pissed people off because it was seen as disrespect to the flag/country.
He was protesting at work, which would get most of us fired.
Then he was hailed a a brave hero by some....for accomplishing nothing. SMH
Liberals only want free speech when it is what they want said. If you utter one syllable to the contrary, the apply the "racist" label. Nothing is more un-American.
If he wanted to make a statement and discuss racial disparity and injustice in America, why not do it pressers afterwards? He has the mic, the cameras are all on him. He could have said, "I'll be happy to talk about the 70-yard drive at the two minute warning,but first I want to address Trayvon Martin, Ferguson," and whatever the hell else drive him over the edge. That would have been an approprate, respectful, intelligent way to go about it. Also, when he started kneeling, he was dating a Muslim DJ activist with ties to several extremist, sharia-law groups. She influenced him to do this, ruined his life, upset millions of Americans, drove discord and partisanship... Colin got killed by the pussy.
You just can’t make this shit up.
Gammanu is right, he didn't stand because he said he didn't like the country.
“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”
― Booker T. Washington
“I would permit no man, no matter what his color might be, to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him.”
― Booker T. Washington, Up from Slavery
“Associate yourself with people of good quality, for it is better to be alone than to be in bad company”
― Booker T. Washington
This twisted, backwards reality reminds me of the poem by Yeats:
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Read the last two lines again, and tell me that is not where our society is today.
Instead, he had to call Kap a son of a bitch who deserved to be fired without ever responding to the reason for the protest.
Trump is a divider not a unifier. It’s intentional and worked for him and got him where he is today. He sees it as a win and he’s not going to change. If he wins again in November, those who vote against him will have no excuse that the people were confused as to who Trump is. We all know who he is.
Prove it.
Flags be replaced. Storefronts and merchandise can be replaced. Quarterly profits can be made next quarter. Governments can certainly be replaced.... but a HUMAN LIFE is over in a short moment. LIFE Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (not necessarily a buck in a Fat Cat's wallet) are INALIENABLE.
There are wrongs in America that need be fixed but fighting a wrong with another wrong does not fix the problems, it just creates new problems.
It is not about the flag. Noone burns a flag to diss the cloth. Noone kneels or fails to remove a hat for a piece of cloth. It is the ideals behind the cloth that they are burning and disrespecting. Why else do so many get triggered by the confederate flag? It's not because they cannot whistle Dixie.
Storefronts and windows can be replaced, but the store may not be able to afford the deductible after three months of closures and lockdowns, if they even have insurance. The store may not be able to survive another quarter, if they miss a quarter's revenue. Most small businesses are run on extremely tight profit margins, typically less than three percent. With big box stores, chains, and corprations always opening more and more locations to claim more and more market share, it only ever geta harder to stay afloat. We should not have to worry about rioters and looters running rampant.
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It often appears that the folks screaming the loudest that they wanna be heard are often the least-tolerant of others being heard or anyone having an opinion that in *any* way goes against what they believe -from where I sit the intolerance I am seeing is w.r.t. those that seem to wanna decapitate anyone that does not agree with their specific world-view - many of these folks that are vocal about freedom and inclusion and fairness, don't appear to offer it to those that don't agree w/ them from A to Z.
This isn't even about having to "back up" your opinion in a fight but just standing by it in the face of some public criticism. I know its about money, but in my opinion that makes it even more disgusting.
As far as we can tell, he voiced an opinion during a time of heightened stress and tension, and thoae who disagreed immediately began shouting him down and attacking him.
Nothing is more un-American than attacking someone who simply expressed a priority for loving his country.
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You would have to explain in more depth to say that it was racism. Otherwise, from a white person's POV it looks like you're jumping to conclusions. We think black people see racism where there isn't. Like Michelle Obama's story about racism in Target.
There's lots of white people who have never seen discrimination in the work place.
Candace Owens is bought and paid for by the alt right. She made a speech a couple years ago saying Hitler's only mistake was not the Holocaust, but was simply being too ambitious and wanting to expand instead of being a nationalist. She will say whatever the far right want her too. She hates herself.
Maybe things will change in the future. Anybody over 35 is not going to change their ways, and I respect that.
It's one of those things in where, "if it doesnt happen to me then I dont really care"...
Young folks are starting to see it now. They may not fully understand it yet but I think we (as a country) are moving in the right direction to where we can start to get some serious dialogue on racism and prejudice in this country. And like I said, people (or most) over 35 will not be equipped to have this conversation because they're set in their ways. Which I respect.
And we are not talking about the black community and their failure to strive. That's a WHOLE nother conversation that can get real deep. But I'm talking specifically on how blacks are treated by the police. Young white people are seeing that something is really wrong.
That's because those young people are "progressives" and in order for their life to have meaning, to feel superior to their parents, they need an injustice to fight - real or imaginary.
So this Brees apology, and subsequent "re-apology" by his wife, are making more sense to me now. He makes a simple statement that people should respect the Flag. That position is unacceptable to the "tolerant" left. Apparently, respecting the Flag now equates to disrespecting an entire race of people. The statement is immediately condemned by members of his own team, and now opposing players are saying they "can't wait" to play against him. They might as well just say they plan to cripple him and end his career while his own team allows it to happen with minimal protection of their QB. Another example of how the thought police keep everyone in line, by any means possible. I suspect the NFL is going to see a much bigger decline in viewership this time around. I know I won't be watching.
Now I fear I will have to sit thru an NFL season of political protests when I'd rather be able to enjoy a game w/o politics - there is a place for politics and I'd rather be able to enjoy a game w/o politics - I'm not sure if I'd be able to stomach a whole NFL season of political protesting and political commentary - and I can see Kapernick being on a team so the NFL can show its not racist.
Hell, he's 41 years old. It would be a good time to retire for his own safety. After making such an "insensitive" remark about respecting the Flag, these guys are gonna put him in a wheelchair, or worse. One or two more seasons isn't worth the risk. He should get himself a thousand acres of property out in the mid-west, take his family away from all this controversy, and disappear from the public eye.
Say all lives matter, and you're a racist.
Respect and thank cops, and you're a white nationalist.
Acknowledge that a free market economy in a democratic republic is the best political system thus invented by man, you get some bullshit about "white privilege".
Reality is being replaced by bullshit. With the aid of an equally corrupt and complicit media, you are no longer allowed your first amendment right! Even the media cannot control this monster they have created! What kind if a world is it when Donald Trump is the leader we need, because he is the only one willing and able to point out the bullshit?
I stand for black lives mattering but it's getting to the point of "black lives matter more" and black persons not requiring equal-treatment but special-treatment - seems there is some overreach which can prove counterproductive where all accountability is held at the feet of white America and little to none w.r.t. the black community.