U.s clubs

One can engage at US clubs in different ways, FRMOS, back room FS, taking your girl to your own bed after that.

The most extreme of US dives are not that far from that right now.

And then AMPs

SJG

The guys I've known that have mongered overseas whether TJ or not, many refuse to settle what US clubs offer in terms of services and cost.

Didn't ruin it. But it did change my perception of what a "value" is. I actually prefer going to Miami over going to TJ. But the trip to Miami costs me about double what my trip to TJ costs.

TJ did not ruin US strip clubs for me, but FKK clubs did.

For me, AMPs have always been a far better alternative.

Min looks and dolling up standard lower. But you find a girl you like. Some are really appealing.

Costs lower, easier set up for relating to them, which increases chance of good GFE.

For a reasonable fee you get 60min alone in a room with the girl, and your own clothes are supposed to be taken off and hung up on hooks. Most AMP girls would love nothing better than if you took them out and to bed.

I have most always gotten real good GFA ( Girl Friend Audition ) FS. Not interested in Happy Ending.

As it was known that some SF Strip Clubs went to FS, I was always suspicious of the costs, and the overall quality of the experience.

SJG

So far I feel like it's ruined it for me. Like Warrior mentioned, it's hard to see the "value" in the US strip clubs anymore. Doesn't help that my area clubs don't compare to clubs in other areas of the country in terms of the mileage you can get.

I'll give myself some more time though. Maybe after a couple more months the strip club itch will hit me again. Since I can only get to TJ once a year I'll have no way to scratch the itch but to hit a club here.

So far since my trip, every time I think of pulling out $700 and hitting the club here I think of what that same $700 will get me in TJ and I lose the will to go. I've actually saved a lot of money because of that. My next trip to TJ will be epic.

Yes,TJ ruined me , but i feel Toronto offers a better selection of girls from around the world (peru, canada, usa, eastern europe, middle east, asians, Indians) for full service in a club vip room.

TJ ruined me completely. I have tried again to go to US clubs and they are only even close to fun when I have a CF there.

Agree. TJ has ruined it for US clubs.
I do occasionally, (rarely actually) club in my home area (SF) but it sucks. When i travel for work, I check out the local spots but they don’t come close to HK

No, not anymore than going to Follies or DD in pompano or Detroit clubs or FKKs. They are all different.

I only go to high mileage places though and I doubt I could ever enjoy LM, just no value there. Of course, finding them is what makes this site so valuable.

i don’t go to usa stripclubs like i used to. just too expensive for what i like to experience. i do like the variety however. for low expense (if i want low mileage) i go to a few coffee shops in socal.

Yes. I have gone to clubs since, but my expectations are tempered. There were some high mileage clubs to go to when I got home but they are now a shell of themselves and not worth the time anymore.

Any sc trip would now just to see and interact with the dancers.

I was never a big U.S. strip club guy, just an occasional visit for a couple of beers and maybe a dance or two, but never VIP.
But after going to TJ, I've even stopped the occasional U.S. strip club visits because they seem so useless.
As @bdirect said, Toronto also puts U.S. strip clubs to shame -- not its strip clubs, but its escort agencies (typically $160 Canadian for half-hour or $270-$300 one hour) and erotic body rub spas (typically $180 Canadian for 40 minutes).

Dumb to use strip clubs for regular sexual gratification.

So what are they good for?

1. To imbibe a sexual aesthetic, the high dolling up and slut wear level, the physical an emotional openness. You learn this, then you recreate it in your ordinary life.

2. For those extremist among us, who want to be waking up in the mornings with stippers.

Notice, for neither of these two uses, is it necessary to go very often.

SJG

Yes, traveling to a foreign country, dealing with border patrol and customs, fucking girls who've done 50 other guys that day, not being able to drink the water, all made me regret driving a half hour to get whatever I want from someone who's at least bathed today.

@ georgemicroinbred fat waste of breath nobody gives a fuck what you have to say. Your moronic inbred kentucky fucking ass has no business on tj mongers board. Not one tj monger gives a fuck about anything your inbred kentucky ass has to say.

@ georgemicrodong the only reason you like to stay in louisville is so you can fuck your sister. Please you pussy bastard stay off the tj board.

@GMD, I can assure you the gals in TJ and clean, bathed, smell nice and less used than the typical White trash trailer park skanks that populate KY clubs.
You sound like one of those MAGA hat wearing shithead inbreds scared of anyone whose skin pigmentation is even slightly darker than theirs.
Good. Stay away from TJ. Save them the trouble of rejecting your fat, smelly, useless, little dick.

Wait why are you angry countryman and JpuffRock? GMD isn't insulting you personally he just doesn't like a thing you like. Other than the bathing comment everything else he said is pretty logical.

If you like crispy tacos and I say "Crispy tacos suck because sometimes the shell breaks". And then you get your panties in a wad over it and insult me... What does that say about you...?

The group header does say "Open to all".

@ paul drake i am upset because he is racist like most people in ky

I like the clubs I go to mostly in Florida

I like da high mileage honda civic level $5 lapperz dances in San diego

I've only been to TJ once about 7 or 8 years ago and it was a lot of fun but I wouldn't say it ruined US strip clubs for me. To me it simply isn't worth the time, hassle and cost of traveling from Ohio to TJ unless I was already much closer on business.

Sure it is a lot cheaper to find a gorgeous girl to fuck, but that is not the only thing I enjoy at a strip club. If I just wanted to fuck a hot random stranger I would just hire a hooker. I prefer to have a nice flirty conversation prior to getting down to business and that is harder to find in TJ since I don't speak Spanish and few of the girls that I interacted with on my trip to TJ spoke any English let alone enough to carry on a 20 or 30 minute conversation.

However I do have a business trip to to San Diego in July so I plan to make the trip across the border then. Maybe I should use Babble or another service to learn some Spanish before then so I can try to find the type of flirty conversation followed by amazing sex that I am looking for.

^ many guys use Google Translate app but I assume that doesn't make it as easy as if both parties spoke the same language

Google translate works great for the business transaction, but it sucks to use it for a flirty conversation. Real mood killer.

True - but you can always insert some romantic dick-picks

I’ve been 6 or 7 times this year, don’t speak any Spanish past beer and bathroom, but I’ve always found plenty of girls that speak enough English to converse and get everything I needed.

Btw each trip gets easier and more comfortable as I get more familiar with what to do and what to expect. I suppose I’ve been 20 to 25 times over the last few years.

Showering with them before hand or watching them shower is half the fun. One of the reasons I like hour sessions.

Approached a chica tonight and started speaking to her in Spanish. She answered me in perfect English. She must be a deportee because her English was perfect, without an accent. She was a little sharky though. I think the ones who have lived in the U.S. and speak good English tend to have an attitude.

I much prefer the Latinas who speak all Spanish and no English. After the English speaker rejected my offer, I found an equally good looking chica from Sinaloa who spoke no English. She was pretty and sweet with no attitude. She was a lot of fun, both in bed and to talk to and joke around with.

I highly recommend learning Spanish. Being able to have normal conversations with these chicas and joke around with them too makes the experience so much better for both you and her.

@OldGringo, you are my hero. Would like to see more reviews of TJ clubs from you.

USA clubs can't compare to HK where you've your own hotel room with bright lights, and shower, and 500+ dancers per week ready to make you feel like a millionaire. You'll be spoiled and ruined.

@JAprufrock Thanks buddy. Yes, I'm a slacker on reviews. I'm not worthy of being anybody's hero, but I'll try to pitch in and give info where I can. I never would have discovered TJ if it weren't for TUSCL, so I'll make more of an effort to contribute.

Agree on at least passable Spanish. It makes all the difference in the world on opening up your possibilities. These girls for the most part, minus the sharks, are looking to have fun at work and talking to guys and hanging out for many of them is a lot of the fun. Many I’ve found can speak passable English so broken Spanish to help find the right words and phrases is good enough. None of them expect perfect grammar.

To be able to speak Spanish (especially fluently) can make each encounter so much better. i gotta discipline myself because i’ve a lot to learn.

@georgemicrodong when you put all THAT into perspective, makes me less likely to visit TJ solely for strippers. I'd need a better excuse than strip clubs at this point.

Never been to TJ - but plan to hit it at some point to see/experience it w/ my own PL-eyes - up to now I haven't visited mainly b/c I'm primarily into chocolate.

w.r.t. whether TJ is worth it or not, I don't think there is another club that gets nearly as many favorable reviews as HK - uncommon to see folks visit HK and say it wasn't worth it or they don't wanna go back - I'm sure there are some that feel that way, but from what I gather it's a small-minority.

papi. in zona norte and hk there are numerous chicas that should satisfy you.

It's called "hyperbole", exaggeration for effect.

@Countryman5434, I've told you before, and I'll tell you again, if you aren't getting good play in Louisville, you're going to the wrong clubs and seeing the wrong girls.

The fact that I don't agree with you that TJ is paradise doesn't make me racist, just like you trashing the girls here doesn't make you a racist.

But your trashing of Louisville clubs is just as unwarranted as your warped perception of my comments.

After reading all of this I feel like I have been living a life in US clubs. Been to TJ a few times, Pattaya, Colombia, but have never tried for FS at any US clubs. Don't even know how to approach it.

*Living a lie in US clubs...

All I could say... it is part of the learning curve.

My TJ experience did not ruin US Clubs for me, since I do not compare the two.

US Clubs (especially in LA and COI) offer a variety and convenience not available in TJ, where TJ offers a legal service with a (usually) better overall value.

TJ clubs are brothels and US Clubs are strip clubs, not a fair comparison.

My mongering time is filled with fun filled experiences at both places.

Countryman, once you get the girl outside, anything goes between you and she. And your own home can be better than a hotel.

And you found this out first hand!

SJG

Short Answer: Yes.

Can no longer justify spending $300 for the possibility of good mileage in US clubs. I have had extras, but they are always rushed and expensive. I have also had OTC, with some failures and a few great successes. I don't mind the hunt, but get disappointed when I don't bag my target. To say, "TJ is a target rich environment," would be the ultimate in understatements.

^^^^ Front Room Makeout Session. Don't take her into the back room to see if she is good. Take her into the back room because she is already good in the Front Room. And always approach the one you are planning on waking up in the mornings with.

Otherwise it is all to little to gain for too much risk and cost.

Happy New Year

SJG

Thanks for the suggestion, SJG. Hope you won't be too upset when I humbly decline your suggestions and instead just do what I feel most comfortable with.

^^^^^ no problem TFP, plenty of pretty girls happy to suck your wallet dry time and time again.

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SJG as anyone who goes to strip clubs will tell you, takes money to play. You yourself even talk of feeding the girl cash in the front room as a sign of respect for her work. So in carrying out your plan your wallet will also be drained dry.

If you expect to go to the club and have front room make out sessions for free and walk out the club with her without spending a dollar you're in for a ride awakening.

I have never said anything about free. Strip clubs do not work like that, and giving her money is a show of respect.

The difference is that I am leading the choreography, just like it would be with a girl I'd met at a party.

Strip clubs are expensive, buy with my way you have picked the girl you want to be waking up in the mornings with, and you are really getting under her skin. Everything should go very well from that point forward.

SJG

LMFAO the only difference is that san_jose_creep doesn't understand SS and GFE is a service as he pays her.

"without spending a dollar you're in for a ride awakening."

Hmm, why does a ride awakening in a brothel sound fun?

"How many of you mongers did tj ruin all u.s clubs for."

Not me, but there was a whole discussion forum set up for one guy who couldn't stop talking about TJ after he went.

"It did me."

Yeah, that guy.

"I have tried to go to us clubs and they did nothing but irritate me"

If you've found something that works for you, then good for you. People club for different reasons, with different resources and priorities. I had fun in TJ when I used to visit, but it didn't change my life. Just because some club goers don't obsess over Snatch a la Mexicana doesn't make them MAGA hat wearing goons.

We have to get TJ style places here. The law does not necessarily prevent this. It is more a matter of attitudes of the mongers.

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When mongering TJ is a tremendous party town at a good value, especially if you like Latín women but there are plenty of fun places in LA and COI.

Admittedingly, the value is not as usually as good as TJ but the convenience and variety is much better.