Don’t Compliment Her Looks
doctorevil
Evil Lair
The VIP Room is kind of dead, so I thought I’d repost my question here. What’s the rationale behind this advice? I compliment dancers often on their looks, but only truthful compliments. I never try to bullshit them.
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Yo momma!
It's the "objectification" factor one is trying to avoid.
While I don't think this means you should never give a compliment, I think it serves you better to try to give a compliment that is less common, less crass (my opinion...), and more specific to that dancer.
As a dancer, I get wary of that. Customers who say stuff like that I’ve noticed are less likely to buy a dance. Even worse, many will pull PUA moves and pitch (uncompensated) OTC. So when that happens I tend to end the bantering more quickly and ask for the dance.
I guess I’m one of the self-conscious trashy girls because I LOVE hearing about how fantastic my tits are early on. He will likely be spending pretty well. 😁
I think that a lot of standard-issue PLs forget that these guys are out there.
In a slightly different vein, that reminds me of a girl I met online dating in Louisiana some years ago. She was a model from Monroe, LA. Should have been way out of my league. We webcammed a couple of times, so I knew she was legit and not catfishing me. I was dating the woman that would become my wife at the time and Monroe was a 5 hour drive from NOLA, so I never met her in person, which I regret. Anyway, her claim is that she was single, lonely, and looking on the internet because guys irl were too intimidated by her looks to date her. She even had the killer, rare, sexy Cajun Creole accent to match what was a perfect porcelain face and underwear models' body. However, I still don't buy the "guys were intimidated by me" line. Had anyone else run into this and have some insight?
I don’t give out compliments to brown nose. I do it because—well I’m not really sure. If I’m talking to her beyond the basic pleasantries it means there’s something about her I like, and if the conversation continues I may find more things I like. Why not tell her? Sure she’s heard it a thousand times, but who doesn’t like compliments?
My compliments have ranged from classy to complete classless. “You have a very pretty smile” to “nice ass.” They have been equally well received.
I have also found a lot of dancers, even very pretty ones, are insecure in their looks. Could be stripper shit, sure, but I hear it often enough I don’t think so, at least not always. A pretty girl with nice perky B-cup tits will say she thinks they’re too small. Girls with Ds or Es says they’re too big. Spinners say they’re ass is too small, curvy girls think there ass is too big, etc.
I kinda *do* buy this - may not be accurate 100% of the time (she may just be blowing-air up your ass); but I def do think it's somewhat of an issue for very-good-looking women.
Perhaps analogous to the good looking guy in the strip-club where certain dancers may think it's not worth it to approach him b/c he doesn't need to pay for female attention - you know, how it happens to many of us TUSCLers.
9 out of 10 times I don't think it has any effect on them:
+ IMO, the SC is busine$$ for them - they are there to make $$$ not hoping to get complimented
+ the custy is a business relationship and not whom she would want/need compliments from, or from whom it would mean something
IME, it can sometimes go to their head as sinclair mentioned where they now think they are "all that and a bag of chips", or at least think you think that of them, and they think they now don't have to try as hard and think they kinda have you wrapped around their finger (IME more-so w/ the younger more cocky dancers).
My statements are not universal to all strippers of course, but complimenting dancers at best is a of neutral benefit and at times can be counterproductive, IMO/IME - and yes, sometimes it does hit the mark but IMPLO it's more of the exception (where they genuinely appreciate it vs just being polite and pretending you made their day b/c you are a sale).
Of course, no harm in saying it especially if you are an experienced SCer that is not trying to be a romantic-Romeo and trying to make-her-like-you/pick-her-up.
I mostly just go to the girls I’m interested in and ask them to come by and say hello and eventually I’ll buy dances. But I don’t compliment them because I figure they already know I find them pretty if I’m spending money on them haha
Giving an insincere compliment would, I'm sure, sound just as goofy as it sounds to me when I get complimented by a dancer I've just met (handsome, nice eyes, big dick, etc).
@NiceSpice - you have a fantastic rack 😘
Is it better to tell her that she's ugly?
My point was in the specific situation the OP presented - how to start negotiations for VIP extras. My suggestion: don't be the pig who just wants to splooge all over some random hot body in a dance. Be the gentlemen-perv who see's a wonderful, beautiful, valuable woman - and who he wants to splooge all over in a dance.
If he just goes straight in for "Great tits! Can I fuck you in VIP?" he's just a creep.
If he establishes some rapport, he's much more likely to be considered.
Of course, this is club and dancer specific. If it's a long standing high mileage club, it's much more likely she will just lay out her menu in the first minute (or less) of the conversation.
Obviously, compliments about her looks are a good thing if done appropriately. But save it for a moment when it's genuine and meaningful, within the context of the overall process.
First sentence: "Great tits!" - Bad
When she puts your hands on her tits: "Oh my! These are amazing!" - Good.
I think too-often many PLs are still thinking w/ their civilian hat on of thinking they gotta woo a girl and convince her to take your $$$ to fuck her - we all have our different M.O.s/preferences - I for one, when I go to a SC I rather deal w/ the stripper that doesn't have to be "courted/wooed" and is down for w/e - but again different SCers look for different things and some like to make it feel more like a real-date or a GFE thing.
And yeah - there are dancers that may need some convincing and it may be worth the extra-effort and you "watching your step" - but I'm paying to not have to put in the extra-effort like I was on a civilian-date - not saying it's bad/wrong; just not my M.O./pref.
I think that a lot of standard-issue PLs forget that these guys are out there.”
At least once a freaking shift. These customers tend to be in 20s or even early 30s though. Also of the “I can get laid anytime I want” variety.
But also I tend to work more night shifts with a party like vibe. Glancing at your reviews, it seems you’re more of a daytime guy. If so, you probably are rarely at the table next to these guys. Sure daytime mongers may try to lowball, but it’s more rare of daytimers to go that far.
As has been stated, keep them genuine.
I'll say the same applies to guys. PL or otherwise.
I can spot a fake compliment from a genuine one. And can never tire of receiving real compliments. Never!
Same with women. And dancers.
Everyone is different and like different things or can be manipulated by different things.
I think the only key rule is not to gush compliments. The drunk guy who is all like "OMG you are the most beautiful woman I have ever seen you are completely perfect OMG!?!@?" that is not going to get you anywhere with a stripper.
My personal strategy is just to figure out whatever I can see a dancer is self conscious about and then compliment that. That is pretty effective.
I also like to give a few compliments to a fav right before I leave to sort of get them "pumped up" so they will be in a good mood to make money the rest of the day. That also works really well and I have had a few favs say they always make way more money on days I show up (not counting the money I pay them).
If that's not a well-received compliment then IDK what is.
Though there was a really gorgeous redhead at a club this weekend that seemed to appreciate being told she has a fantastic ass. I talked to her for a couple of minutes but she wasn't interested in what I was, so she went away. As she was walking away, I chased after her and told her "I realize this is a totally shallow comment and that your self-worth isn't dependent on my estimation of your attractiveness, but you have a really fantastic ass."
She broke out in the cutest, seemingly genuine, dimpled smile I've seen in a long time. It didn't "work" in the way that I hoped, but she did come back around a few times after that, and I did end up getting a couple of dances from her. She let my hands wander, but hers didn't, so kind of uninspiring as dances, but she was interesting to talk to for while.