But for some reason he’s got his own little fanboy cult here. Probably just a bunch fags getting together in their Mom’s basements to suck each other’s dicks.
Countryman5434, although rickdugan certainly deserves derision, I wouldn’t want him to stop posting. He writes entertaining stories precisely because he is a giant d-bag who thinks he’s smart and successful.
Just sit back and read his d-bag diaries and recognize that his punishment in life is the simple fact that he is a giant d-bag who will never be as successful in life as he thinks he should be. You can’t top the punishment of “being rickdugan”!
Plus, if rickdugan went away the lion guy wouldn’t have anybody to make fun of! You wouldn’t want that, would you?
^ Yeah, I try to live by the "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all" philosophy. Sometimes you just have to tell it like it is.
Three old ladies are playing canasta, and bragging on their grown sons First Lady says my son is a neurosurgeon and he’s wealthy, for my birthday he sent me on a world cruise The second lady said my son is a lawyer, he makes so much money, my last birthday he brought me a big beautiful new house So they look to the third lady, she says my son Marvin is a plumber, he does ok, he pays his bills, and then some, for my last birthday he sent me to a finishing school where they taught me to say fantastic instead of bullshit.
^ yeah that was understood cause I was too lazy to type all that on my phone I gave up the abbreviated version I figured you’d remember the joke. Calling a spade a shovel seems to be a specialty of yours buddy ;)
Country: I see Ricky Douchebag hasn't blocked you yet, but he probably will eventually. But then he'll just read your posts offline and then send messages through his fag girlfriend RedDick. https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php… I don't really agree completely with 4got2wipe. TUSCL would be better place without Ricky Douchebag, but yeah, he's such an arrogant fuckwad he is actually a parody of himself.
Quite a collection of odd ducks in this whiny bitch circle jerk.
First there's Papi, aka Puta_Tonta (Google it), who splits his time between vigorously promoting/defending a handful of clubs when he's not writing reviews that never, ever, include a VIP finish because, of course, that would not play well with his pay masters.
Then there's doctor, who has mastered the art of writing 8 shitty reviews of clubs using a single hour of collective intel and then spinning it as gold. Then, when he was called out on it, has been in the middle of a multi-month menstrual cramp.
Not to be outdone is CountryGirl, who, when not having emotional breakdowns on here, regales us with endless posts about hating all clubs not in TJ.
Then, topping it off is Flag, who cannot seem to figure out if he actually wants to contribute to the site or would prefer to be seen as little more than another troll account.
All we are missing are a couple of the guys who want lifetime achievement awards for cumming in their own pants and we'll have ourselves a real odd ball party! ;)
I am the Every Guy here, the under 50 unrepentant club hound who goes to strip clubs, always at night, and fully enjoys everything they have to offer. That includes cocktails, good company and, if the stars align that night, a good finish elsewhere. You dudes are about as representative of the average club hound as the girls on SW are of the average dancer, meaning not much. Truth be told, this site would probably benefit from more regular club hounds on here and less of you weird fuckers who celebrate cumming in your own pants when not getting your panties in a wad over things like having a few cocktails before driving home or - gasp - actively negotiating OTC with gals who need the cash.
I hate to say it, but tx has a point. Most of you are the same cast of characters who came to the defense of a guy who bragged about sticking his dick in the mouth of a 14 year old girl. I can only imagine the shit that you weird fuckers talk about in your little knitting circle meetups in MIA. Just one more way that some of you guys are odd to the point of being weirdly creepy.
Dugan you should really take a step back, you think you can rewrite history but the actual history shows that you guys (dougster, you & txtwat) were the only ones who didn’t make any attempt to back up your stupid pronouncements, you personally don’t have a leg to stand on, nobody defended a guy who was allegedly a pedophile, you were told point blank to call the authorities if you believed it to be true, yet all of you would rather make this board as unpleasant as possible for anyone who didn’t kowtow to your bullying behavior. Instead of doing the right thing you double down, and as a result you and txtwat are pretty isolated with very few members having anything to do with txtwat, and you’ve fallen out of favor yourself, I’ve refrained from going after you and am not really interested in relitigating all of the bullshit, I never participated in any of your new found friends >RickiBoi is a fag< threads, and there were hundreds of them, want to talk about being a monger, show me a single thread where txtwat or dougster or your other buddy has ever participated except to attack someone until then stfu you really are getting your panties in a knot, you are an arrogant, thin skinned, pompous jerk for even trying this line of attack
The Dougster and VM feud still causing fights on TUSCL 1 year and three months later. I can't believe I was actually on TUSCL at that time, although I didn't post anywhere near as often as I do now.
Baloney 25. It was certainly a passive aggressive form of defense, but a defense nonetheless. There was more tapdancing done by some of you on here than I've seen in most of the Broadway musicals I've attended, most of it in the form of "maybe he really didn't mean what he said" and "if you think he did it then just call the cops." But the intent of those silly posts was clear, which was to shut down criticism of a guy who some of you have met and seemed to like.
In all my time on this board, I've never been more disgusted than with what I saw in those posts - not only from him, but by the attempt by some on here to defend the indefensible. It will never be forgotten, most especially when any of you weird fuckers have the audacity criticize the behavior of others.
When it comes to "RickDugan drives drunk" criticisms. How many drinks is he alleging that he had? I think that a standard 180 pound guy can have like three drinks and be fine with four drinks meaning he is legally too impaired to drive? You also lose a BAC point every 40 minutes though and each drink gives a 180 pound guy about 2 BAC points. So if a guy had 3 drinks that would put him at 0.06 BAC and then if he waited about 40 minutes, he could technically have another one without being legally impaired adding up to 4 drinks? So that'd be a BAC of 0.07. Skirting the fine edge for sure but technically legal. I think almost every adult has driven at some point with some level of alcohol in their system, even if it was just a couple glasses of wine they had at dinner, its still in you.
Now if you slam back five or six shots and immediately get behind the wheel, then yeah the criticism is deserved.
@Rick Dugan just to be clear there is nothing passive aggressive about me, come at me I'll come right back, treat me the way you want to be treated, because I can dish it out just fine, but unlike you I can take a shot and still be standing.
Really, what the fuck is wrong with Ricky Douchebag? Does he really not understand the difference between defending someone and telling him and that Dougster dumbass to stop trying to take over the board with their personal vendetta? Nah, he understands. He just doesn’t care. He adheres to the “big lie” propaganda theory. Just say it often enough and loudly enough and some idiots will believe it.
25, I'm sure you're a real threat old man - to 14 year old girls anyway. ;) As far as a "leg to stand on", his posts were in black and white.
And to your claim that I'm thin skinned, I've ignored 95%+ of all the ridiculous troll comments posted my way by this weird degenerate cast of characters, including you when you had your troll post period, so I think that's a stretch. It took seeing this odd group of pedo defending fucks criticizing someone else's personality deficiencies to lure me back in at all.
I just wanna know why the unprompted attack by Dugan on the LDKers of the board, which includes me. Not a single guy who attacked you in this thread celebrates cumming in his pants. So what was the point? Are you trying see if you can manage to insult every single person on these forums or something?
I think Doc stated it perfectly just above, any time you think you can keep up with this old man you’re welcome to try, guaranteed I’ll end up with better strippers than you, and my table in any club I go to will be full of folks having a good time, not like your table which will be populated by you sitting in your seat on the outside watching the real mongers have some fun.
TFP: He’s not trying to insult everyone on the board. He doesn’t have to try. It just comes naturally when you’re an arrogant self absorbed prick wanna be bully.
@TFP: sorry about that dude and you are right. Cumming in your own pants is no great sin. I completely understand why you don"t want to be lumped in with this bunch.
It's bad enough that these guys post on here and write reviews with various agendas. But their defense of a pedo was beyond comprehension. I guess they felt that it was more important to make their buddy feel OK then to condemn a horrible act. Being a SC hound comes with some natural moral ambiguities that we all accept as part of what we do, but some things are so bad that, even for us, they must be unforgivable. A 14 year old girl was irreparably damaged for life so that one grown man could get his nut. That can never be OK or even ignored, yet these guys tried to make it exactly that.
^ He just wants to divert attention away from his own predatory behavior of singling out the weakest most drug addicted whores and paying the the shortest amount of money he can get away with. Moral ambiguity that’s our RickiBoi always looking forward to corrupting the weakest link for his own perverted benefit.
CC99 said "@Call me Ishmael remember when you said my thread was easily the most junior high thread on TUSCL? I think we got competition for that title now lol."
^Stop acting like a Beta Cuck Drama Queen trying to instigate locker room drama. Men are talking. No wonder that girl isn’t going to be into you you act like a vagina.
Bavarian posted: "I really don’t see the appeal of OTC with the cheapest, most desperate drug addicted whore."
Neither do I. It's a goofy unsupported narrative that 25 pushes in repetitive fashion when he hasn't taken his Alzheimer's medications.
@Country: Whine away if you must, but most days I enjoy this site. I'm sure you felt very supported with the dirtbags who jumped in give you all of that positive reinforcement, but remember, as the old expression goes, If you lay with dogs, you're likely to get fleas. I wonder what happens when you lay with guys who condone and even defend pedophiles? ;)
@ dugan what part of no one like you go away pussy cocksucker do you not understand? When you are ready to back your mouth up lets go. Till then posting you ridicolous inbred jackass.
I don’t want RickiBoi or anyone else to stop posting, but if he’s going to slander folks he’s gonna reap what he sows, remember Rick you aren’t the only smart guy in the room, and anyone is capable of taking anything out of context and using it against you when you start shit, and be honest, you just started this shit all over again.
Slander 25? I'll let others be the judge of how you, doctor evil Papia have been "slandered" for their valiant defense of a pedophile. And this wasn't the only thread, but it is the most comprehensive in laying out exactly what he admitted to and the lines of defense you weird fucks - his knitting circle meetup crew- were floating.
Worse, for 4 more months, your little meetup crew kept up with all the same high fives on the board and I believe even another meet-up with him before he left.
I tolerate a lot and ignore most of the goofy troll stuff that you, doctor-evil and sometimes even Papi post. But a thread like this, with bottom feeding d-bag pedo defenders taking those kind of character shots at another user? Well, if you three are on the "long and distinguished list" that Papi was referring to, I'm very glad to be on the other side of it.
In fact, if you guys want to continue to mix it up, then it probably wouldn't hurt for me to remind newcomers and others every so often - with one of three different telling links - just who is doing all that talking. ;)
Come on Rick, the guy made a few posts that were a little off. That doesn't make him a pedophile and nobody gave a fuck until Dougster, who did the same shit to you by the way, repeated it ad nauseam. I'll also add that Dougster didn't give a fuck about what was said, again same goes for his attacks on your drinking, he just didn't like Vince. Most people took a "okay, fucked up, but what do we really know and we value Vince of Dougster" attitude. Why you had to take on a holier than thou approach I'll never understand, particularly given the lectures you've given when you felt others were taking a moral high ground on this site.
I've defended you many times and still believe that much of the vitriol directed at you is related to Dougster's tireless efforts over the years but you're wrong on this one.
Jester, quite a lot of people cared once they saw what the pedophile actually posted and it was far from just the one thread where he explicitly stated that he had sex with a 14 year old - he made several disturbing posts . I'm not going to re-litigate the whole thing over - the thread I posted above lays it all out quite nicely, along with the behavior of those I mentioned above.
I wrote in a post not long ago that based on the way he writes, I didn't think Ricky Boy was stupid, just an arrogant prick with some kind of personalitiy disorder. But he's now managed to convince me that he really is stupid, too. But what do you expect of a retard that thinks you have to wear a suit and pretend to be someone else in order to be successful at OTC. https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php… Now he wants to reargue the Vince Michaels saga, and has apparently convinced himself that anyone that was against Dougster, the texas faggot, and himself constantly spamming the board with their anti-VM tirades is pro-pedophilia. Only someone with below average intelligence can be so confused. I hope he keeps it up. Maybe he'll end up getting banned like Dougster, who is probably hanging around in another alias, but at least seems to have learned his lesson. I don' t think Rick Boy is capable of learning.
What's beef? Beef is when you need 2 gats to go to sleep Beef is when your moms ain't safe up in the streets Beef is when I see you Guaranteed to be in ICU, one more time What's beef? Beef is when you make your enemies start your Jeep Beef is when you roll no less than 30 deep Beef is when I see you Guaranteed to be in ICU
Where did he explicitly state he had sex with a 14 year old? Perhaps you don't understand what 'explicitly' means. You clearly don't understand what 'pedophile' means. .
You've blatantly ignored the fact that Dougster did the same thing to Vince that he did to you.
He also further elaborated in another thread that it was oral, not vaginal, but you can do your own research and I'm not going to relive this disgusting chapter anymore, besides pointing out the horrible hypocrisy of receiving character comments from these degenerates who defended their buddy Pat after his many comments about underaged girls.
Doesn’t want to relive “this disgusting chapter,” which is why he brings it up again, complete with historical links. This guy really is stupid. While you’re at it, since I know you’re reading my posts https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php… why don’t you post the links where I, Papi, 25, or anyone else on this Board defended pedophilia by VM or anyone else? Oh, that’s right, because they don’t exist. In addition to his other endearing qualities Ricky Boy is just a lying sack of shit at heart.
I also shouldn't fail to point out doctorevil's attempt to diffuse things with high ground criticism of trolls. Very funny coming from the guy who is fast becoming the most egregious troll on this board. ;)
Not really sure why he felt that comments about having sex with 14 year old was ok - apparently those comments didn't particularly bother this "combat vet and father." Maybe he doesn't have any daughters, idk. I did ask him very pointedly, but he ghosted out of the thread after that, so at least he had some shame.
******************************* doctorevil Evil Lair December 28, 2017 Agree with Papi on this. What is most irritating is the arrogance of these trolls in presuming to be the ultimate arbiters on what is acceptable and not acceptable on this board, with a close second being their complete lack of consideration of other members by spamming the board with useless, boring, repetitive, and often incomprehensible posts. The spamming is second only because I have most of the trolls on ignore so I usually don’t see the spam unless I happen to check the board without logging in. After this discussion, I may have few more to add to the ignore list. I have never met VM, but I am a father and combat vet and there is nothing he has said that particularly bothers me. Certainly he has not said anything more outrageous than any number of other posters. These trolls should just get over it. But I guess it really doesnt matter because ignore is such a useful feature. *******************************
RickiBoi is just a tired old version of church lady from SNL, without the comedic timing, or self awareness, that might make it funny Poor guy is just a parody of himself.
^ So only comedic versions of church ladies find child molestation stories to be reprehensible? I think you're trying to put yourself into a majority that doesn't exist 25. Indeed, I think that you'd find yourself in the sharp minority on that one.
Of course, most people aren't creepy old men who troll this board with multiple accounts when they aren't jerking themselves (or is it each other?) off under a table at Tootsie's to stories of 14 year old girls on sailboats.
It's somewhat disturbing to know that I have my own personal stalker who blocked me, yet lurks offline to read all my posts. At least this time he put on his big boy pants long enough to respond himself instead of asking his little fag girlfriend RedDick to send a message to me. You know, I don't remember if I made that post before or after I heard about Vince Micheals' sailboat story, but either way it doesn't change anything. His sailboat story was perverted, but not any more perverted than half of of the stuff that is said here, and who knows what's true or not. No one defended pedophilia, but virtually everyone wanted Ricky D-bag, the texas fag, and Dougster to stop spamming the board. I can't stop wondering why Ricky D-bag is so hung up on this imaginary "defense of pedophilia" thing. The only thing I can come up with is that he's a closet pedo himself and just trying to repress his urges.
^25, did you really just have the audacity to make that stupid comment after all of this, including your role in that sad saga? Do you somehow feel that defending an admitted pedophile puts you somehow 'ahead?" You really don't have any shame do you? One would think that you'd have tried to slither quietly away long ago with the hope that this thread would quickly die, but not you, neither back then nor now it would seem.
So consider in the future how often you would like to have these little character discussions, because I've tolerated you weird creepy fucks and let it lie for the sake of my ongoing enjoyment of strip club discussions, but it will never be forgotten.
"So consider in the future how often you would like to have these little character discussions, because I've tolerated you weird creepy fucks and let it lie for the sake of my ongoing enjoyment of strip club discussions, but it will never be forgotten." Oh gee, I'm sure he really hurt 25's feelings now.
I’m not going to continue on ad nauseam this is my last post on this subject I never defended any pedophiles and you know that well, if you think you’re such a fuckn paragon of virtue, you’re delusional, you have written many times about driving drunk, you have stated that you’d kick my ass for smoking a cigar someplace, where it’s not only allowed but encouraged, you told the world if a tranvestite used a bathroom you’d kick their ass, you have something to say spit it out, you stiff necked arrogant, pompous jackass. You post constantly about how little you pay these women while cheating on your wife, and being a hypocrite to your children, don’t think for a NY minutes that your daughter won’t find out what a POS her dear old daddy is, do you really want to make this about pedophilia. It wouldn’t surprise me if the reason you are so fixated on this subject is you are trying to cover up your own deepest feelings, history is full of examples of this phenomena. So yeah quit while you’re ahead and leave the dead to their maker, you don’t get to sit in judgement, because you’re a creeper yourself
25, all the revisionist history in the world won't erase what is black and white in the thread I linked above. Not only did you defend your pedophile buddy, but you were his defender-in-chief. Then you went right along into other threads and in person and continued your high fiving with him. As far as his death, my only regret is that the POS didn't die before he got his hands on that 14 year old girl and who knows who else, since guys like that never do it just once.
At least you got most of my sins right this time, albeit I never admitted to "driving drunk" (though did talk about having cocktails ITC before driving) and only talked about beating up a cross dresser if he tried to go into a bathroom with my girls in it. But on the whole that was surprisingly accurate of you. I'll certainly have to answer for my own sins and have never claimed to be a choir boy.
But there is a special place in Hell reserved for pedophiles. Your willingness to troll my more run of the mill stuff, sadly not uncommon among club hounds, yet condone and even defend your pedophile buddy despite whatever irreparable damage he caused to that poor child, is as baffling as it is saddening. So yes, your weird priorities and absurd hypocrisy will never be forgotten and, indeed, will always be available for future exploration.
Like I said you are just trying to rewrite history
>do you really want to make this about pedophilia. It wouldn’t surprise me if the reason you are so fixated on this subject is you are trying to cover up your own deepest feelings, history is full of examples of this phenomena. <
“Of course, most people aren't creepy old men who troll this board with multiple accounts when they aren't jerking themselves (or is it each other?) off under a table at Tootsie's to stories of 14 year old girls on sailboats.”
The only weirdo at Tootsies who had a thing for multiple profiles would be...ah...never mind.
^ Try to keep in mind the loudest shrillest voices have been found guilty time and time again of what they are railing against. Just a few Torquemada, Senator Joe McCarthy J. Edgar Hoover Just to name a few
1. I do remember the “why???” thread quite well. I remember it because tittyfag linked it to me because I asked him why he was so obsessively against doctorevil on the board. I remember when docE sent me a PM clarifying that the reason for tittyfag’s vendetta was for daring to complain about the board spam. And lo and behold tittyfag proved him right.
2. Do I particularly like the idea of a 14 year old on a sailboat? No. But technically speaking there was a high chance he technically was able to do it. Different cultures have different notions of age of consent. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/age-…
25, you really didn't just say that the only people who could have a visceral reaction to an admitted pedophile in their midst are those who themselves are closet pedophiles, did you? How about fathers to girls or anyone else with any sense of compassion and decency? Do you not understand how twisted you just sounded? He celebrated his horrible acts with glee and you and his other creepy meetup crew members not only failed to call him out on it, but continued along in your merry little band.
You can tapdance, deflect, trot out other accounts and pull any other stunt you want, but the history is black and white for anyone who wants to read it. You really are a disturbing person with twisted priorities.
***************** vincemichaels August 14, 2016 It hasn't really stopped me before. My sailboat saw a lot of sex with me and my female friends, even the 14 year old.
I just reread the entire thread, my rousing defense consisted of two points go to the authorities if you are sincere in your beliefs. I’m not willing to participate in a lynching be it real or virtual, instead you trued your damndest along with dougster to say if I’m not with you I’m against you, even founder weighed in to say he would cooperate with the authorities but to stop clogging up his boerds, I leave you to it if anyone reads the thread you posted they will see that I’m correct you are just attempting to change facts and as I said take things way out of context. I’m done you just proved my point and invalidated your own.
^Well over 10% of the 329 posts in that thread were you attempting to diffuse, deflect or otherwise shut down the conversation. Then you went right on with your buddy like you didn't know or care that he admitted sticking his dick in the mouth of a 14 year old girl. There was even one point where you tried to shroud it in a little moral ambiguity.
To anyone still reading this, I know it's painful to go through all 329 posts, but it will be educational to do so.
@nicespice: While it *might* have been technically legal in the jurisdiction in which he engaged in that behavior, there are laws on the books that make it illegal for US citizens to engage in certain activities even if they are legal in the place where the US citizen happens to be. For instance, having sex with a minor in Thailand is illegal for US citizens traveling there.
Getting caught is, of course, another matter, but the act is still illegal.
However, the larger issue is a moral one, not a legal one. While other countries and cultures have different ages of consent, and different ideas of when a female is actually woman, some of those cultures actually train up children in the responsibilities of adulthood so that they’re *ready* to make decisions about such things as sex at an earlier age than other cultures. In the United States, on the other hand, we tend to deliberately retard the emotional education of our children, and delay the burden of adult responsibility until much later. So much so that many so-called adults in out culture are woefully unprepared for actual adulthood, whereas they’re more than so prepared in some of these other cultures.
That’s certainly not to say that the other cultures are right and ours is wrong, or that ours is correct and others are wrong, merely that they are different.
Note that I carefully use the word “some” here. By no means do I believe that all of the countries that have a lower age of adulthood/consent than we do have such because they believe their children are actually prepared for adulthood. *Some* do.
On a more general note, imagine how all of that looked to a casual reader or newcomer. Under the best of circumstances, the moral ambiguities inherent in this entertainment do not cast any of us in the best of light when viewed from a broader perspective. On that day, we as a posting community had a chance to show the world that there are some lines we won't cross. We had the opportunity to show that, degenerates though we may be, we would still never condone the unforgivable or defend the indefensible. In essence, we had the chance to show that we are not as bad as some may think us to be.
But on that day we failed, due in no small part to a few guys who thought it was more important to cover for their buddy than to condemn acts with a child that he outright admitted to doing. On that day, we confirmed all the worst misguided beliefs about those who pay girls for fun. Shame on you 25 and shame on everyone else who participated in doing that.
No, 25 didn't say that people who have a visceral reaction to pedophilia are closet pedophiles. I think he did say that those, like Ricky Boy, who have a compulsive-obsessive fixation on an imaginary cabal of pedophile defenders are likely closet pedophiles. I agree with 25.
Shoot, there were some who were even questioning whether vincemichaels was alone in his crimes and whether his defenders had an even less savory agenda. He certainly implied that he wasn't alone when he talked about things he heard in his meetups.
Now as I posted in that thread, which is copied below, I thought that it was going a little too far, but it was a head-scratcher for sure:
******************************* rickdugan Verified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer January 1, 2018 I'll repeat what I said in another thread: I'm not ready to label guys like clubber and twentyfive as pedophiles-in-arms solely due to their seemingly incomprehensible defense of a self admitted pedophile. But I would be interested to understand why clubber thinks we're being played and why twenty continues to cling on to his "even though he said he did it, we really don't know if he did it" defense. If they know something that we don't, it would be nice if they would spit it out. Because as it stands now, everything points to us having a very self satisfied pedophile in our midst. *******************************
So Ricky D-Bag is now linking to an old post from his fag girlfriend RedDick for support of his imaginary pedophilia conspiracy. This is too funny. RedDick is the same lap dog that transmitted a message from D-Bag after he blocked me and was too big of pussy to send it himself. https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php… It's been said before, but D-Bag really is a parody of himself.
@gmd thanks for the clarification. I knew about the US having a legally claim on citizens abroad when it came to tax stuff, but not the rest of it.
And as for your moral point for the reason why morality is relative in different countries...also a very good point. I agree with you. —— I admit with VM stuff, it’s pretty damning. But on the other hand I’ve never personally interacted with this man and he is already deceased.
I also liked what papi had this to say on the why thread:
“If anything that means we would have a better gauge for him than someone whom has never interacted w/ him in person and is just extrapolating from a handful of comments out of 10k+ comments - I have SCed w/ VM and seen him interact and get dances w/ all kinds of dancers and don't recall him harping over preferring very young dancers over older dancers, nor did I witness that when SCing w/ him on multiple occasions - again alluding-to/accusing someone as a pedafile w/ no evidence is a douche and self-serving move and self-aggrandizing on the backs of others.”
I of course am personally biased because I too have personally met 25/papi/docE.
And there *could* be something said that sometimes an outsider perspective is the more clear one. Dugan himself proved that for me personally not too long ago and that’s why I’ve backed off on trolling him.
But if Papi witnessed and vouched that VM didn’t seem to really have a thing for the young looking dancers, then I believe him.
And I’ll take it on faith that VM, while he certainly crossed taboos with the boat blowjob thing, didn’t victimize a girl who couldn’t stand up for herself.
I also noticed on the “why” thread the argument was pushed forward that the opinions of a man with daughters carries more weight. But I’ll point out that I am a female who dealt with a predatory older man when I was 16. So based on that, my opinion carries the most weight.
Also I looked up the posting history of this RedJohnson account. Another character who only posts at sporadic times to make pointed jabs before going quiet for a while.
And btw Dugan is the only one I’m taking seriously in all of this. I remember the turning point of when txtittyfag started to flame me constantly (when beforehand he would say nice flattering stuff) was because I publically defended docE when he was making terrible violent comments about him. And then asked for evidence about the VM stuff, where tittyfag also linked me the “why” thread.
And then lo and behold that coincided with Nina being displeased with me. And then suddenly, at the drop of a hat, he quit flaming Nina in the hopes of keeping the animosity going.
But somehow Nina still remembered tittyfag’s nonstop jabs accusing her of cheap extras and being delusional and the like, and she wasn’t so quick to be buddies with him either. And rightfully told him he was full of shit.
And tittyfag is the crusader of principles? Yeah...no.
I draw a hard, unforgiving line when it comes to sex with minors. So, when VM admitted to it, I was done with him. He bragged about sex with a minor. If he had regrets, then he was pretty good at hiding them.
A point... though dougster and txttittyfag were relentless, VM was equally relentless in responding (with glee) to each of their attacks. And it was often via his responses that he revealed additional information that made himself look worse. He got flamed, but he also loved fanning flames to his own detriment.
Dugan said "On a more general note, imagine how all of that looked to a casual reader or newcomer. Under the best of circumstances, the moral ambiguities inherent in this entertainment do not cast any of us in the best of light when viewed from a broader perspective. On that day, we as a posting community had a chance to show the world that there are some lines we won't cross."
Huh. It's almost like no one remembers that fucking horror show 'SCPandit' and his vile bullshit. Which, you know, wasn't all that long ago.
@CMI this stupid stuff is proof positive that some posters are idiots and Dugan is the leader of the idiots parade, includes a cast of characters that would make Damon Runyon proud, in what universe would people think that a system to find the cheapest hookers is something cool, and a moron that writes like he has marbles in his mouth is funny. A female that tries to convince us she’s a pimp, along with an autistic freak, that has an orginazation that hot woman will join to provide sex for misogynistic jackasses that splooge themselves any time a bigoted foul mouthed president opens his mouth. Let Dugan have his day, I’m sure anyone reading this that gives a shit knows better.
Hmm...upon looking it up, maybe it wasn’t quite so bad after all. Unless my google searching is wrong and I’m recalling another thread idk. :o Alright, I’ll give you a pass and an apology on that one instance then. Since what was said was...
One thing I didn’t notice, at that time, was the part where I addressed two_bits and yet you replied to me that...“I got no reason 2 do that 2 u I have my account n my account only”
25, if you had any sense left your head, you would have stopped posting when you said you were going to. Nobody "wins" or "has their day" in a discussion of something like this. I've tried hard to forget about that day and simply focus on club topics, but when you and two other dipshits in your little tuscl social circle take it upon yourselves to troll others with half baked claims of the strip club equivalent of shoplifting, after falling over yourselves to cover for a self admitted pedophile, your character comes screeching back into focus. So if you continue to want to make character an issue, you can proudly wear the "Pedophile Defender" label that you have so diligently earned, as horrible as it is to bring up.
While I do think that a 50 year old guy has no business messing around with a 14 year old. I also think the US has a hysteria about underage sex despite also having very sexually active teenagers which I find bizarre.
I’d also like to point out one other uncomfortable fact in this industry. If you talk to enough dancers about how they got their start, many of them did actually start out underage. Either they had fake IDs or the club was enough of a shit hole to not check on that.
CC99, I agree with you regarding the hard line. The fact that teenagers are sexually active doesn’t mean it is at all acceptable for adults to indulge. It is one thing for a couple that has been going out where one is 17 and the other 18 but your example is just over the line.
That said, I just plain didn’t believe vincemichaels. I believed (and still believe) that it was an ill thought out comment that went over like a lead balloon. If it was true it was fucked up. However, if it was true it was clearly long in the past and vincemichaels gave no other indications of being a pedo.
But let’s analyze rickdugan’s response. He claims to really believe the comment and the fact that he keeps coming back to it is a clear indication that he felt there was a genuine and dangerous pedo on the board. If I believed that I’d consider actions that might actually deal with the issue, like PM’ing founder for information. Quietly.
What did rickdugan do? He decided to troll the guy. Starting many a thread that any genuine pedos, if they were reading, probably used as jack off material. And we know what rickdugan accomplished. He accomplished nothing when it comes to protecting kids. He did manage to troll a guy that turned out to be suffering from stage 4 cancer and just wanted to joke around with his internet friends.
^4got2think: If he didn't want anyone to believe him, then he shouldn't have said it. Also, all of this was not the result of some random comment he made in a single thread, but rather a series of comments, over time, in the same vein, the worst of which was the 14 year old girl admission. He had ample chances to walk any or all these comments back, over many months, but didn't. If this was all some elaborate hoax, he never let on and his Pedo Defense Posse has no real basis for claiming that it was.
I didn't know he had cancer at the time, but I doubt I would have cared. Maybe he should have caught cancer a few decades earlier and spared the 14 year old girl, and who knows how many others, a lifetime of damage.
@ rick dugan i am a cancer survivor. I wouldn't wish cancer or cancer treatment on anyone. Not even a piece of shit like you. If you ever have to have to have chemo or radiation you will wish you would have kept your mouth shut. Your an unbelievable piece of shit. Stopping posting you fucking waste of breath
Tell you what Country, if I ever did what he claimed to do, you should feel free to wish cancer or anything else that you want on me. there are some things that are unforgivable and sticking your dick in the moth of a Middle Schooler is one of them.
I think this is what I mean by the US having a "hysteria" about age and sex. Like some people accusing JS69 of being "a closet pedo" because he is attracted to younger dancers. Other examples from my own life have shocked me with how hysterical some people are. When I was 17, I got a bunch of people calling me perverted for hooking up with a 15 year old girl. I know another guy who was 19 and had sex with a 15 year old girl and his father was absolutely furious about it and called his son a pedophile. Or about how guys are basically expected to act like 16 and 17 year old girls have absolutely no sex appeal while an 18 year old girl is a sexy young woman when honestly I can't even physically tell the difference between 16/17 year old girls as opposed to 18/19 year old girls. They pretty much look the same to me. I can't think of any other country in the world that has such a bizarre juxtaposition between trying to act like teenage sexuality isn't even a thing while teenagers in reality are having sex at school, having explicit conversations about sex and drawing dicks all over the walls and desks. My 8th grade experience was more "R-rated" than actual R-rated films.
I thought what GMD said was interesting about how the US purposely emotionally retards people so that they're unprepared for adulthood. I do think this is kind of true, but I can also say that a huge percentage of teenagers are extremely resentful of this "emotional retarding" and rebellious against it. The high school experience is basically a competition among most of the students to see who drinks, fucks, rebels, parties, curses the most, and does the most drugs. I know I was very resentful against it and vowed to myself when I was 16/17 that I when I was older I would never forget how frustrating it was to be treated like a child when I was 16 and in turn to never treat a 16 year old like a child. In trying to keep teenagers "like children," what adults in America have really done is make them extremely rebellious while simultaneously unprepared for adulthood.
The fact that we're just okay for example with ruining the lives of female teachers who had consensual sex with 15, 16, and 17 year old boys is insane to me. Apparently in Europe they don't feel this way and would just think the teacher was doing the boy a favor.
^ It's a lot fucked up but let's look at some facts, these guys did not do anything not lift a pinky finger to help a single kid, they just ran with a fucked up situation, if they believed VM was a danger to a single child, they had an obligation to notify the authorities one way or another, I know if I believed for on second that some child was being endangered, I'd have PMed founder, I'd have gotten in touch with a child welfare service, if all else failed I'd have gotten in touch with a newspaper or television station, there was none of that, all this was just a drama, engineered to entertain their sorry assed selves.
“What's beef? Beef is when you need 2 gats to go to sleep Beef is when your moms ain't safe up in the streets Beef is when I see you Guaranteed to be in ICU, one more time What's beef? Beef is when you make your enemies start your Jeep Beef is when you roll no less than 30 deep Beef is when I see you Guaranteed to be in ICU”
Also my apologies GoVikings for not acknowledging this earlier. Smash that like button!
I don't know if I think the US is a prudish country so much as I think we're a frustratingly inconsistent country that has a culture full of mixed messages that I personally cannot stand. On one hand, you've got countless movies about high school sexuality, but then you're told you're too young for sex. In high school, every adult obsessively talked about abstinence and waiting until marriage before having sex. Now I'm in college, and all I ever hear about is how many girls I should be fucking and how I shouldn't settle down until I'm 30? We encourage pre-marital sexual relations, promiscuity, and many people acknowledge that sex is a need, but then we outlaw prostitution and act like guys who can't get sex should "just deal with it?"
Its like we can't decide if we want to be super horny and decadent or if want Saudi Arabia style prudery. The messages you get change wildly depending on your age and circumstances. What we end up getting is this absolutely bizarre culture that makes no sense. And then you get people who think our country's bizarre inconsistencies are just normal. There's lots of people here who actually think that outlawing prostitution and setting a high age of consent is "progressive" and "modern" somehow. They don't even realize that across the entire rest of the modern, developed world, prostitution carries no criminal penalties and is considered a normal part of life. Its literally just the US and a few super feminist Norwegian countries. As far as the age of consent goes, I'll bet if you asked the average American where they thought the lowest age of consent was, they'd say it was somewhere in Africa. In reality, Africa's age of consent laws are higher than America's and the regions with the lowest age of consent is actually South America and Central Europe.
Mission accomplished! I was wondering if rickdugan would respond to me despite claiming I was on ignore and he did! The lil’ fella is so predictable. It’s absolutely brilliant!
Seriously though, even if rickdugan is correct I’m not clear on how trolling an alleged pedo actually affects the alleged pedo’s behavior. It is kind of fucked up that rickdugan THINKS he did something about the issue but actually didn’t accomplish anything.
How do you think rickdugan would respond if he found out his parish priest was molesting the altar boys? Most normal people would go to the cops. I’m betting rickdugan would troll the priest by wearing a t-shirt with a pentagram on it. That’ll teach the pedo priest!
Quick! Everybody send rickdugan their old Motley Crue t-shirts! ;)
Yeah, he acts like a teenaged girl. He starts shit, gets his panties in a wad when he gets shit back in return, puts you on ignore/block, but then still lurks offline to see what you’re posting. He seems to have realized him made an even bigger fool of himself (who would’ve that that would be possible) by having his fag girlfriend RedDick carry messages for him https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php… so now he responds directly. Why does he even ignore people? It’s only causing himself more of a hassle, logging off to see what’s being said, then logging on to post. I guess it’s kind of like he thought he was accomplishing something by trolling VM, when all he was really doing was proving (yet again) that he is an ass.
C'mon now, be fair. Any underage girl that reads this discussion board and knew who Vince was in real life would have been forewarned (whether it was justified or not).
Too soon to let this thread die out. New members need to know what a dipshit Ricky Boy is. They might actually take him seriously if they only see some of the posts he makes while he’s on his meds and not experiencing one his his psychotic episodes.
I guess you boys want to keep this thread alive. You'd think that the Pedophile Defense Team and their sympathizing troll accounts would want this to go away, especially when vincemichaels implicated them as well in his desperate attempts to defend his actions. Maybe we should compile a list of his meetup crew who, in VM's own words, should share in his relief that the statute of limitations had expired. I'll happily sit on the other side of a debate with pedophile sympathizers and troll accounts all day - well, at least during sporadic free moments.
rickdugan sure seems to have a lot of free moments! It is almost like he has nothing going on in his life other than trolling dead people and bragging about drunk driving! ;)
Since the D-bag is raving in the Vince Michaels thread again, I thought it would be a good idea to bounce this one again so any newcomers can see how truly insane Ricky D-Bag really is.
Far be it from this honorable rick to defend his brother from a hairless ape mother, but you people really should listen to the dugan more and show appropriate gratitude for his insights.
Just remember: the dugan and the chinaman may be damn dirty apes but they are the two smartest hairless apes on the planet. Just read their insights and say “thank you sir!”
Rickthechinaman’s super Kung fu immune system kicked the virus’ ass
He was planning to share his serum for research purposes but he decided to go whoring in Bangkok instead. He told me that he wants you damn dirty apes to be a bit more scared of pangolins. Asshole apes have been fucking with pangolins far too much and now it is time for you apes to tremble before the pangolins of the world. ROAR!!
Both dugan and I are about five standard deviations from the mean on the rick spectrum. You normies are close to the mean of rickness quotient but then there are certain special figures in this world - like myself, the dugan, and the barnacle - that have badass overload.
And if you didn’t know this, now you know. ROAR!!!
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But for some reason he’s got his own little fanboy cult here. Probably just a bunch fags getting together in their Mom’s basements to suck each other’s dicks.
Brilliant!
Just sit back and read his d-bag diaries and recognize that his punishment in life is the simple fact that he is a giant d-bag who will never be as successful in life as he thinks he should be. You can’t top the punishment of “being rickdugan”!
Plus, if rickdugan went away the lion guy wouldn’t have anybody to make fun of! You wouldn’t want that, would you?
I really don't know about his cowardice or proclivity for sucking penises.
Sometimes you just have to tell it like it is.
Three old ladies are playing canasta, and bragging on their grown sons
First Lady says my son is a neurosurgeon and he’s wealthy, for my birthday he sent me on a world cruise
The second lady said my son is a lawyer, he makes so much money, my last birthday he brought me a big beautiful new house
So they look to the third lady, she says my son Marvin is a plumber, he does ok, he pays his bills, and then some, for my last birthday he sent me to a finishing school where they taught me to say fantastic instead of bullshit.
I said I try (not very hard though), and I find many times on here that I have to call a spade a spade.
Calling a spade a shovel seems to be a specialty of yours buddy ;)
Sometimes I do call a spade a shovel. There are too many people on here that would call me out for being racist.
@Call me Ishmael remember when you said my thread was easily the most junior high thread on TUSCL? I think we got competition for that title now lol.
First there's Papi, aka Puta_Tonta (Google it), who splits his time between vigorously promoting/defending a handful of clubs when he's not writing reviews that never, ever, include a VIP finish because, of course, that would not play well with his pay masters.
Then there's doctor, who has mastered the art of writing 8 shitty reviews of clubs using a single hour of collective intel and then spinning it as gold. Then, when he was called out on it, has been in the middle of a multi-month menstrual cramp.
Not to be outdone is CountryGirl, who, when not having emotional breakdowns on here, regales us with endless posts about hating all clubs not in TJ.
Then, topping it off is Flag, who cannot seem to figure out if he actually wants to contribute to the site or would prefer to be seen as little more than another troll account.
All we are missing are a couple of the guys who want lifetime achievement awards for cumming in their own pants and we'll have ourselves a real odd ball party! ;)
I am the Every Guy here, the under 50 unrepentant club hound who goes to strip clubs, always at night, and fully enjoys everything they have to offer. That includes cocktails, good company and, if the stars align that night, a good finish elsewhere. You dudes are about as representative of the average club hound as the girls on SW are of the average dancer, meaning not much. Truth be told, this site would probably benefit from more regular club hounds on here and less of you weird fuckers who celebrate cumming in your own pants when not getting your panties in a wad over things like having a few cocktails before driving home or - gasp - actively negotiating OTC with gals who need the cash.
But keep drinking that Hatorade if you must. ;)
Rick is a good contributor to the site.
Country is an enthusiastic TJ monger.
There's enough space on this site for both.
In all my time on this board, I've never been more disgusted than with what I saw in those posts - not only from him, but by the attempt by some on here to defend the indefensible. It will never be forgotten, most especially when any of you weird fuckers have the audacity criticize the behavior of others.
Now if you slam back five or six shots and immediately get behind the wheel, then yeah the criticism is deserved.
And to your claim that I'm thin skinned, I've ignored 95%+ of all the ridiculous troll comments posted my way by this weird degenerate cast of characters, including you when you had your troll post period, so I think that's a stretch. It took seeing this odd group of pedo defending fucks criticizing someone else's personality deficiencies to lure me back in at all.
It's bad enough that these guys post on here and write reviews with various agendas. But their defense of a pedo was beyond comprehension. I guess they felt that it was more important to make their buddy feel OK then to condemn a horrible act. Being a SC hound comes with some natural moral ambiguities that we all accept as part of what we do, but some things are so bad that, even for us, they must be unforgivable. A 14 year old girl was irreparably damaged for life so that one grown man could get his nut. That can never be OK or even ignored, yet these guys tried to make it exactly that.
Let's call it a draw.
C'mon guys I have faith in you three. Unleash your inner manchilds!
I really don’t see the appeal of OTC with the cheapest, most desperate drug addicted whore.
Neither do I. It's a goofy unsupported narrative that 25 pushes in repetitive fashion when he hasn't taken his Alzheimer's medications.
@Country: Whine away if you must, but most days I enjoy this site. I'm sure you felt very supported with the dirtbags who jumped in give you all of that positive reinforcement, but remember, as the old expression goes, If you lay with dogs, you're likely to get fleas. I wonder what happens when you lay with guys who condone and even defend pedophiles? ;)
You’re probably not the only one who thinks that. Numbers don’t make you right though.
If you want him to stop posting, the ignore button makes that happen instantly, with no further action needed on your part.
https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php…
Worse, for 4 more months, your little meetup crew kept up with all the same high fives on the board and I believe even another meet-up with him before he left.
I tolerate a lot and ignore most of the goofy troll stuff that you, doctor-evil and sometimes even Papi post. But a thread like this, with bottom feeding d-bag pedo defenders taking those kind of character shots at another user? Well, if you three are on the "long and distinguished list" that Papi was referring to, I'm very glad to be on the other side of it.
In fact, if you guys want to continue to mix it up, then it probably wouldn't hurt for me to remind newcomers and others every so often - with one of three different telling links - just who is doing all that talking. ;)
I've defended you many times and still believe that much of the vitriol directed at you is related to Dougster's tireless efforts over the years but you're wrong on this one.
Beef is when your moms ain't safe up in the streets
Beef is when I see you
Guaranteed to be in ICU, one more time
What's beef? Beef is when you make your enemies start your Jeep
Beef is when you roll no less than 30 deep
Beef is when I see you
Guaranteed to be in ICU
You've blatantly ignored the fact that Dougster did the same thing to Vince that he did to you.
vincemichaels
August 14, 2016
It hasn't really stopped me before. My sailboat saw a lot of sex with me and my female friends, even the 14 year old.
https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php…
He also further elaborated in another thread that it was oral, not vaginal, but you can do your own research and I'm not going to relive this disgusting chapter anymore, besides pointing out the horrible hypocrisy of receiving character comments from these degenerates who defended their buddy Pat after his many comments about underaged girls.
Not really sure why he felt that comments about having sex with 14 year old was ok - apparently those comments didn't particularly bother this "combat vet and father." Maybe he doesn't have any daughters, idk. I did ask him very pointedly, but he ghosted out of the thread after that, so at least he had some shame.
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doctorevil
Evil Lair
December 28, 2017
Agree with Papi on this. What is most irritating is the arrogance of these trolls in presuming to be the ultimate arbiters on what is acceptable and not acceptable on this board, with a close second being their complete lack of consideration of other members by spamming the board with useless, boring, repetitive, and often incomprehensible posts. The spamming is second only because I have most of the trolls on ignore so I usually don’t see the spam unless I happen to check the board without logging in. After this discussion, I may have few more to add to the ignore list. I have never met VM, but I am a father and combat vet and there is nothing he has said that particularly bothers me. Certainly he has not said anything more outrageous than any number of other posters. These trolls should just get over it. But I guess it really doesnt matter because ignore is such a useful feature.
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Poor guy is just a parody of himself.
Of course, most people aren't creepy old men who troll this board with multiple accounts when they aren't jerking themselves (or is it each other?) off under a table at Tootsie's to stories of 14 year old girls on sailboats.
So consider in the future how often you would like to have these little character discussions, because I've tolerated you weird creepy fucks and let it lie for the sake of my ongoing enjoyment of strip club discussions, but it will never be forgotten.
You post constantly about how little you pay these women while cheating on your wife, and being a hypocrite to your children, don’t think for a NY minutes that your daughter won’t find out what a POS her dear old daddy is, do you really want to make this about pedophilia. It wouldn’t surprise me if the reason you are so fixated on this subject is you are trying to cover up your own deepest feelings, history is full of examples of this phenomena.
So yeah quit while you’re ahead and leave the dead to their maker, you don’t get to sit in judgement, because you’re a creeper yourself
At least you got most of my sins right this time, albeit I never admitted to "driving drunk" (though did talk about having cocktails ITC before driving) and only talked about beating up a cross dresser if he tried to go into a bathroom with my girls in it. But on the whole that was surprisingly accurate of you. I'll certainly have to answer for my own sins and have never claimed to be a choir boy.
But there is a special place in Hell reserved for pedophiles. Your willingness to troll my more run of the mill stuff, sadly not uncommon among club hounds, yet condone and even defend your pedophile buddy despite whatever irreparable damage he caused to that poor child, is as baffling as it is saddening. So yes, your weird priorities and absurd hypocrisy will never be forgotten and, indeed, will always be available for future exploration.
>do you really want to make this about pedophilia. It wouldn’t surprise me if the reason you are so fixated on this subject is you are trying to cover up your own deepest feelings, history is full of examples of this phenomena. <
The only weirdo at Tootsies who had a thing for multiple profiles would be...ah...never mind.
Just a few
Torquemada,
Senator Joe McCarthy
J. Edgar Hoover
Just to name a few
1. I do remember the “why???” thread quite well. I remember it because tittyfag linked it to me because I asked him why he was so obsessively against doctorevil on the board. I remember when docE sent me a PM clarifying that the reason for tittyfag’s vendetta was for daring to complain about the board spam. And lo and behold tittyfag proved him right.
2. Do I particularly like the idea of a 14 year old on a sailboat? No. But technically speaking there was a high chance he technically was able to do it. Different cultures have different notions of age of consent. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/age-…
You can tapdance, deflect, trot out other accounts and pull any other stunt you want, but the history is black and white for anyone who wants to read it. You really are a disturbing person with twisted priorities.
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vincemichaels
August 14, 2016
It hasn't really stopped me before. My sailboat saw a lot of sex with me and my female friends, even the 14 year old.
https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php…
25's (and others) rousing defense:
https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php…
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I’m done you just proved my point and invalidated your own.
To anyone still reading this, I know it's painful to go through all 329 posts, but it will be educational to do so.
Getting caught is, of course, another matter, but the act is still illegal.
However, the larger issue is a moral one, not a legal one. While other countries and cultures have different ages of consent, and different ideas of when a female is actually woman, some of those cultures actually train up children in the responsibilities of adulthood so that they’re *ready* to make decisions about such things as sex at an earlier age than other cultures. In the United States, on the other hand, we tend to deliberately retard the emotional education of our children, and delay the burden of adult responsibility until much later. So much so that many so-called adults in out culture are woefully unprepared for actual adulthood, whereas they’re more than so prepared in some of these other cultures.
That’s certainly not to say that the other cultures are right and ours is wrong, or that ours is correct and others are wrong, merely that they are different.
Note that I carefully use the word “some” here. By no means do I believe that all of the countries that have a lower age of adulthood/consent than we do have such because they believe their children are actually prepared for adulthood. *Some* do.
But on that day we failed, due in no small part to a few guys who thought it was more important to cover for their buddy than to condemn acts with a child that he outright admitted to doing. On that day, we confirmed all the worst misguided beliefs about those who pay girls for fun. Shame on you 25 and shame on everyone else who participated in doing that.
https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php…
Now as I posted in that thread, which is copied below, I thought that it was going a little too far, but it was a head-scratcher for sure:
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rickdugan
Verified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
January 1, 2018
I'll repeat what I said in another thread: I'm not ready to label guys like clubber and twentyfive as pedophiles-in-arms solely due to their seemingly incomprehensible defense of a self admitted pedophile. But I would be interested to understand why clubber thinks we're being played and why twenty continues to cling on to his "even though he said he did it, we really don't know if he did it" defense. If they know something that we don't, it would be nice if they would spit it out. Because as it stands now, everything points to us having a very self satisfied pedophile in our midst.
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That may have been my best one.
And as for your moral point for the reason why morality is relative in different countries...also a very good point. I agree with you.
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I admit with VM stuff, it’s pretty damning. But on the other hand I’ve never personally interacted with this man and he is already deceased.
I also liked what papi had this to say on the why thread:
“If anything that means we would have a better gauge for him than someone whom has never interacted w/ him in person and is just extrapolating from a handful of comments out of 10k+ comments - I have SCed w/ VM and seen him interact and get dances w/ all kinds of dancers and don't recall him harping over preferring very young dancers over older dancers, nor did I witness that when SCing w/ him on multiple occasions - again alluding-to/accusing someone as a pedafile w/ no evidence is a douche and self-serving move and self-aggrandizing on the backs of others.”
I of course am personally biased because I too have personally met 25/papi/docE.
And there *could* be something said that sometimes an outsider perspective is the more clear one. Dugan himself proved that for me personally not too long ago and that’s why I’ve backed off on trolling him.
But if Papi witnessed and vouched that VM didn’t seem to really have a thing for the young looking dancers, then I believe him.
And I’ll take it on faith that VM, while he certainly crossed taboos with the boat blowjob thing, didn’t victimize a girl who couldn’t stand up for herself.
I also noticed on the “why” thread the argument was pushed forward that the opinions of a man with daughters carries more weight. But I’ll point out that I am a female who dealt with a predatory older man when I was 16. So based on that, my opinion carries the most weight.
Who does that guy belong to?
And then lo and behold that coincided with Nina being displeased with me. And then suddenly, at the drop of a hat, he quit flaming Nina in the hopes of keeping the animosity going.
But somehow Nina still remembered tittyfag’s nonstop jabs accusing her of cheap extras and being delusional and the like, and she wasn’t so quick to be buddies with him either. And rightfully told him he was full of shit.
And tittyfag is the crusader of principles? Yeah...no.
A point... though dougster and txttittyfag were relentless, VM was equally relentless in responding (with glee) to each of their attacks. And it was often via his responses that he revealed additional information that made himself look worse. He got flamed, but he also loved fanning flames to his own detriment.
Dugan said "On a more general note, imagine how all of that looked to a casual reader or newcomer. Under the best of circumstances, the moral ambiguities inherent in this entertainment do not cast any of us in the best of light when viewed from a broader perspective. On that day, we as a posting community had a chance to show the world that there are some lines we won't cross."
Huh. It's almost like no one remembers that fucking horror show 'SCPandit' and his vile bullshit. Which, you know, wasn't all that long ago.
:-|
Let Dugan have his day, I’m sure anyone reading this that gives a shit knows better.
“U notice drcocksucker didnt mention me. He knows i would eat him alive n shit him out like the turd that he is.”
https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php…
One thing I didn’t notice, at that time, was the part where I addressed two_bits and yet you replied to me that...“I got no reason 2 do that 2 u I have my account n my account only”
Lololololol
That said, I just plain didn’t believe vincemichaels. I believed (and still believe) that it was an ill thought out comment that went over like a lead balloon. If it was true it was fucked up. However, if it was true it was clearly long in the past and vincemichaels gave no other indications of being a pedo.
But let’s analyze rickdugan’s response. He claims to really believe the comment and the fact that he keeps coming back to it is a clear indication that he felt there was a genuine and dangerous pedo on the board. If I believed that I’d consider actions that might actually deal with the issue, like PM’ing founder for information. Quietly.
What did rickdugan do? He decided to troll the guy. Starting many a thread that any genuine pedos, if they were reading, probably used as jack off material. And we know what rickdugan accomplished. He accomplished nothing when it comes to protecting kids. He did manage to troll a guy that turned out to be suffering from stage 4 cancer and just wanted to joke around with his internet friends.
Brilliant accomplishment rickdugan!
I didn't know he had cancer at the time, but I doubt I would have cared. Maybe he should have caught cancer a few decades earlier and spared the 14 year old girl, and who knows how many others, a lifetime of damage.
I think this is what I mean by the US having a "hysteria" about age and sex. Like some people accusing JS69 of being "a closet pedo" because he is attracted to younger dancers. Other examples from my own life have shocked me with how hysterical some people are. When I was 17, I got a bunch of people calling me perverted for hooking up with a 15 year old girl. I know another guy who was 19 and had sex with a 15 year old girl and his father was absolutely furious about it and called his son a pedophile. Or about how guys are basically expected to act like 16 and 17 year old girls have absolutely no sex appeal while an 18 year old girl is a sexy young woman when honestly I can't even physically tell the difference between 16/17 year old girls as opposed to 18/19 year old girls. They pretty much look the same to me. I can't think of any other country in the world that has such a bizarre juxtaposition between trying to act like teenage sexuality isn't even a thing while teenagers in reality are having sex at school, having explicit conversations about sex and drawing dicks all over the walls and desks. My 8th grade experience was more "R-rated" than actual R-rated films.
I thought what GMD said was interesting about how the US purposely emotionally retards people so that they're unprepared for adulthood. I do think this is kind of true, but I can also say that a huge percentage of teenagers are extremely resentful of this "emotional retarding" and rebellious against it. The high school experience is basically a competition among most of the students to see who drinks, fucks, rebels, parties, curses the most, and does the most drugs. I know I was very resentful against it and vowed to myself when I was 16/17 that I when I was older I would never forget how frustrating it was to be treated like a child when I was 16 and in turn to never treat a 16 year old like a child. In trying to keep teenagers "like children," what adults in America have really done is make them extremely rebellious while simultaneously unprepared for adulthood.
The fact that we're just okay for example with ruining the lives of female teachers who had consensual sex with 15, 16, and 17 year old boys is insane to me. Apparently in Europe they don't feel this way and would just think the teacher was doing the boy a favor.
Now that's a bit over the top.
Beef is when your moms ain't safe up in the streets
Beef is when I see you
Guaranteed to be in ICU, one more time
What's beef? Beef is when you make your enemies start your Jeep
Beef is when you roll no less than 30 deep
Beef is when I see you
Guaranteed to be in ICU”
Also my apologies GoVikings for not acknowledging this earlier. Smash that like button!
USA is the land of the prudes.
I don't know if I think the US is a prudish country so much as I think we're a frustratingly inconsistent country that has a culture full of mixed messages that I personally cannot stand. On one hand, you've got countless movies about high school sexuality, but then you're told you're too young for sex. In high school, every adult obsessively talked about abstinence and waiting until marriage before having sex. Now I'm in college, and all I ever hear about is how many girls I should be fucking and how I shouldn't settle down until I'm 30? We encourage pre-marital sexual relations, promiscuity, and many people acknowledge that sex is a need, but then we outlaw prostitution and act like guys who can't get sex should "just deal with it?"
Its like we can't decide if we want to be super horny and decadent or if want Saudi Arabia style prudery. The messages you get change wildly depending on your age and circumstances. What we end up getting is this absolutely bizarre culture that makes no sense. And then you get people who think our country's bizarre inconsistencies are just normal. There's lots of people here who actually think that outlawing prostitution and setting a high age of consent is "progressive" and "modern" somehow. They don't even realize that across the entire rest of the modern, developed world, prostitution carries no criminal penalties and is considered a normal part of life. Its literally just the US and a few super feminist Norwegian countries. As far as the age of consent goes, I'll bet if you asked the average American where they thought the lowest age of consent was, they'd say it was somewhere in Africa. In reality, Africa's age of consent laws are higher than America's and the regions with the lowest age of consent is actually South America and Central Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_con…
Make no mistake about it, this is an extremely strange country. I don't know if I'd call it prudish or sexually liberated, just very fucking weird.
Seriously though, even if rickdugan is correct I’m not clear on how trolling an alleged pedo actually affects the alleged pedo’s behavior. It is kind of fucked up that rickdugan THINKS he did something about the issue but actually didn’t accomplish anything.
How do you think rickdugan would respond if he found out his parish priest was molesting the altar boys? Most normal people would go to the cops. I’m betting rickdugan would troll the priest by wearing a t-shirt with a pentagram on it. That’ll teach the pedo priest!
Quick! Everybody send rickdugan their old Motley Crue t-shirts! ;)
Any underage girl that reads this discussion board and knew who Vince was in real life would have been forewarned (whether it was justified or not).
rickdugan sure seems to have a lot of free moments! It is almost like he has nothing going on in his life other than trolling dead people and bragging about drunk driving! ;)
And you accuse me and 25 of revisionist history. Lol.
Just remember: the dugan and the chinaman may be damn dirty apes but they are the two smartest hairless apes on the planet. Just read their insights and say “thank you sir!”
He was planning to share his serum for research purposes but he decided to go whoring in Bangkok instead. He told me that he wants you damn dirty apes to be a bit more scared of pangolins. Asshole apes have been fucking with pangolins far too much and now it is time for you apes to tremble before the pangolins of the world. ROAR!!
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He approaches strip clubs with a critical view. Very few people can do that.
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Both dugan and I are about five standard deviations from the mean on the rick spectrum. You normies are close to the mean of rickness quotient but then there are certain special figures in this world - like myself, the dugan, and the barnacle - that have badass overload.
And if you didn’t know this, now you know. ROAR!!!
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But so much of it is written in FORTRAN
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_qu…
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