In the future do you think we will see stripping become more career oriented

I can imagine the curriculum, Stripping 101, The Psychology of the Tease, Blow Jobs How to Monetize Your Oral Skills Properly, Full Service for Extra Credits, Stripper Shit, Scripts to Follow for Maximum Effectiveness ROFLMAO

You’re right. You can pay taxes on dancing but it can’t be seen as real career, gtfoh. I have friends who quit dancing just to get fat, live check to check and work I retail and they have kids. I want to dance as long as I can, save, invest, travel and no that when I’m old I won’t be a medical burden on my children.

Funny you should mention the grandmas, because one of my favorites has told me stories about how her grandma stripped and how they talk about stripping all the time.

I don't think it'd end up being a college course, but I have a number of (non-stripper) friends who are getting into pole dance classes - it's obviously not the same thing, but stuff like that chips away more and more at the stigma against it.

If various prudish interests don't regulate it into oblivion, I can see it becoming more and more popular as a job - but I also see the service levels we're used to going down, and not in the good way.

Learning about sex work is a part of women's studies and gender studies courses.

its too easy to burnout from stripping

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April9424 Everywhere SEPTEMBER 26, 2018 "didn't read, but i'm sick of all these girls saying they want to "normalize" and "destigmatize" stripping and other forms of sex work. if being a stripper were as normal to society as being a barista, we'd be making as much money as a barista. i'll take my stripper money and the stigma that comes with it."

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If university offered a degree - the salary will come down to that of a PhD in Psychology - so still about $2K a week. But 40 hours a week, 4 years of school. Interesting concept. Will you be one of the professors ? I'd sure hope Papi joins the faculty too

There are online courses for strippers. As far as a college course, I doubt it. Unless Cali comes up with some other law that mandates it or something.

But I agree. If one takes care of herself well, then she can be dancing for many years to come.

Probably would work better under an apprenticeship type program. Strippings a trade and an art, skills honed in the field with practice. Doesnt really lend itself to a classroom setting in my opinion but its a valid point about normalization. While theres less stigma on being a dancer, there seems to be more stigma about the clubs themselves and the "element" that they draw. Most towns don't want them and try to litigate/regulate them out of their borders or into becoming a glorified Hooters. If stripping were taught at college then the girls would all likely prefer a Hooters-with-a-pole type setting - "hands off, pervert, I have a degree!". I can hear it now... fuck that lol.

All I’m saying is

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And nobody should bat an eye. For better or worse.

its easy to be hands off

There being less of a stigma is a far cry from listing it on your LinkedIn.

No. Not possible in the foreseeable future.

there is a lot of stigma to it the negative views of dancers even on this site are evidence of that

‘Stripping 101’. Today’s lesson: why being on your cell phone on the floor is a no-no

stripping is an honest profession. and girls need that lesson.^

Putting aside the silly notion that it will ever become a curriculum choice in any reputable institution of higher learning...

A slightly lessened stigma is far from the same as no stigma. As one of too many examples to count, I remember a former fav telling me about a problem she ran into with respect to her daughter. Apparently the Dad of one of her daughter's best friends came to the club that night and saw the fav dancing on stage. He played it cool ITC, but the very next day his child told the dancer's daughter that she could no longer be her firned. The two kids in question were in first grade. Now before we launch into some condemnation of the guy, ask yourself this: Would you let your own elementary school daughter hang out at a stripper's house? Right or wrong, many parents would have had the same reaction.

Real life isn't a music video. Most parents are still very sensitive to what their kids are exposed to, which makes it hard for strippers to integrate their children into normal life situations. Add to that the bible thumpers, feminazis and many other groups who disapprove for one reason or another and what we have is a sizable contingent of everyday society who will still look sideways at stripping as a profession.

Now are there strippers who have built good lives from stripping? For sure, but that has come with a lot of trade-offs. It is far more common IME for strippers to dance until their desire to integrate back into the vanilla world is stronger than the call of dancing, at which point they hang up their heels, take vanilla jobs and try to build normal lives.

that was supposed to be "her friend."

There are still too many barriers to stripping ever becoming mainstream. In certain cultures it has more acceptance but overall doubtful it changes for decades if at all.

Besides the example Rick cited I saw something the other day where a woman wasn't sure what to do with the gap in her work history and decided to play it honest and put exotic dancer as her occupation. She ended up not getting hired by any of the local hospitals despite the fact she had decent grades and they were looking for people. Worse once word got out ( and HR Directors do network) she was basically done.

Outside of Vegas where it seems the stigma isn't as bad a dancer is going to run into brick wall after brick wall trying to have a career fully dressed.

I have read a few stories about porn actresses trying to get out of adult entertainment. To the extent that they pay for legit job training and/or certifications, but then someone at work finds one of their scenes on Google and their ability to function in the job evaporates (primarily due to the attitudes of others, and not because of the their ability to do the job).

It's not fair. But that doesn't change how these job choices can stick to you.

I tried ( key word-tried) having this conversation with my one time ex when she was bouncing in and out of dancing. It was always going to be temporary and she was headed back to school so she could chase after her dream job. I don't know if you want to call it stubbornness, being naive, or just plain ignorance but she refused to acknowledge the fact that word would eventually get out and when it did she would lose friends and career choices.

Well she's in Vegas now dancing and for the most part she found out people are judgemental and some secrets can never stay secret.

Truely a case example that you can in some instances never go home again.

Warren, I think that most dancers are more discreet than what you discussed above. Dancing can be done fairly anonymously if it is done right. It is cash and carry and in-person, so there should be no documented trail. It really only becomes a problem when a girl makes the mistake of putting it down on some application or posts face pics on some site or another.

^The big mistake that the girl I talked about made was working in a club way too close to home in a suburban community. Most girls who live in a place like that try to put a little distance between home and the club.

@Rick Dugan it becomes a problem when a 33 or 34 year old woman goes looking for a job and ends up with a 10 year gap in her work history, I know there are ways of fudging it but if she’s gotfor a good job in a health care organization or a corporate setting, they have become way more intrusive than in the past, if she was on Facebook or instagram or any of those type of sites it will come out.

For obvious reasons I'm not going to go into details but yes, yes, and yes to both of you RD and 25. In part because she had me to fall back on for a couple of years and I'd take her back and she'd stop she was able to talk around some of the gaps and inconsistencies but it isn't hard if you are from a small area and your social media starts linking you to events and people that are out in the open about what they do and where they work. Additionally the movie six degrees of separation isn't all that far out of a concept.

I knew two summers ago the veil was starting to drop and the truth was starting to leak out but I couldn't convince her. I haven't dated her in over 18 months but I do hear from her when she's down and out. I'm pretty sure at this point even her family knows, even if they don't come out and confront her or ask.

@25, there are plenty of ways of fudging it. Most girls in their 30s are mothers and ye 'ol "I was a stay at home mom" is a classic that works as well today as it ever did. Some also have customers who they've know for years who are also small business owners and are happy to be a work reference. Shit, I did that myself for a girl some years back. Where there's a will, there's a way. Also, most of the dancers that I deal with are smart enough not to maintain an active social media presence.

^ That’s not the point I’ve given references to a few girls as well, nowadays any competent HR administrator will run several different background checks including using facial recognition software, if you think your girls were so sophisticated at 18 or 22, you’re mistaken. And if you think it won’t get picked up you aren’t well versed in how sophisticated HR has become.

Many years ago I ran into a coworker dancing at the Foxy Lady. She was clearly upset and I promised to keep it quiet (and I did). Nonetheless, she left the professional job after 2 weeks of avoiding eye contact.

I felt badly, but to a very limited degree. The company where we worked was perhaps 10 minutes away from the Foxy Lady.

25 posted: :That’s not the point I’ve given references to a few girls as well, nowadays any competent HR administrator will run several different background checks including using facial recognition software,"

What? Dude, are you just trolling now? How long have you been out of the workforce?

Standard corporate background checks are generally limited to criminal record checks, credit checks (in some but not all instances) and contacting a few work references. If you work in a bank, brokerage firm, with children or in other sensitive positions, a fingerprint is often also be required (criminal records checks are often imperfect and do not pick up all arrests) . And yes, some will go the extra mile and run a search for publicly available social media information. If you are driving as part of your job, then the employer may also request DMV records. A dancer who has been doing it right should not pop on any of these.

I have never heard of anyone using a facial recognition program and I actively interact with a variety of HR functions in several firms. in a sensitive industry. You may be watching too much Sci Fi channel programming. I could see it for jobs requiring government security clearances, but cannot imagine it is coming anytime soon for everyday corporate hiring.

Stripping has nothing to do with a girl's moral character.

The words of an epitaph found on many a dancers professional career.

25, I'm not trying to be a jerk on this one (though I may do it by accident), but I see this scare stuff all the time on stripperweb and I make the same points there. Stripping is probably one of the last bastions of adult entertainment in which a girl can still retain relative anonymity if she simply exercises some common sense. If anthing, it is to our benefit as avid club goers to dispel the paranoia. I can count on a couple of fingers how many favorites I've had over the past decade that maintained any sort of public web presence. To the extent that any of them have Facebook pages, they are set to private.

In fact, two of my current favorites also have day jobs as well, both with a certain level of responsibility and both of them had to get through standard corporate background checks. A couple of other girls I deal with bounce between dancing and vanilla work at will as the spirit takes them.

Rick--a couple of points and then I need to log off for a bit. 1) Normally FB is not the culprit. FB as has been mentioned on here before by others and myself is typically vanilla.

Normally the issue is IG but the problem goes a step beyond their page to their friends or even their friends of friends page.

If your four closest friends all work at a strip club, two of your male contacts are bartenders or club managers, and a handful of your clients follow you and 100 other girls guess what?

And your picture shows up on their feed no matter what setting you might have on your account.....which then brings in Google as well as even YouTube. I hate to use the phrase trust me but on this one the comment I made about six degrees of separation hits home and the more the weeks turn into months and the months turn into years the harder it becomes to lead a double life.

The few dancers I know well as friends ( and I do mean friends) work three or four nights a week. Over time they all have a tolerance to liquor that they can drink me under the table-takes about two years of working as a dancer to build up that type of tolerance but it also means they are not getting up the next day to go to school for class or work in a corporate job.

And from what I have observed first hand the longer they dance the more they get pulled into that world as well. Their circle of friends tend to be other dancers or club workers. If the club is large enough they date other staff members or at the very least people the other staff workers know because civilians for lack of a better term don''t think like they do and don't understand the lifestyle.

I'm sure there are exceptions and maybe you know a few but overall from my own experience it takes about a year before the shift in life choices starts to take hold permanently. After that it is like quicksand.

Warren, I won't argue that the lifestyle doesn't drag many girls into making bad choices, but see my comments above regarding standard corporate background checks. I deal with a lot of dancers and I've never heard - not once - a story about a girl being stuck in stripping because some corporate entity did some Mission Impossible type tech scouring of the Internet and found some random IG photo on someone else's site or some other random unsavory affiliations. Most standard corporate background checks are just not that strenuous. In fact, many HR departments use standard commercial services to run most of the routine criminal and credit stuff.

IME where girls most often trip up is by making some choice that results in a criminal record. Sometimes it happens simply through overzealous local PD coming into a club and writing a summons for every girl who shows too much titty or gets too cozy during a LD. Other times it involves the girl going just a little too far with some behavior and substance abuse and getting arrested. Once they have a criminal record, it becomes much harder to get out.

@Rick Dugan you claimed that you weren’t trying to be a jerk in this convo, yet that comment about a Mission Impossible type tech scouring sure came across as vintage RickyBoi, you can’t have it both ways dude, either you aren’t going to be a jerk, or you are choiceis yours.

First of all there's no shame in dancing. Its legal, honest work. If you look down on someone for doing it, the problem is with you.

There is a stigma attached to it but that stigma is there cos of society's perceived norms and religion, not because there's anything wrong with dancers.

Mud,

At first I thought this was a post about Asians when I saw "oriented". :)

Clubber Asians are too rare in the clubs for that ever that happen, to your dismay lol