What is more important to Nicole? Feminism or male attention?
I know I have talked about this on the board before. But I’ll go ahead and compile a list about feminist topics related to stripping specifically.
On the off chance Nicole actually cares about this subject, she will have access to several great resources.
Jacq the stripper is an excellent comic artist and also author.
https://instagram.com/jacqthestripper?ut…
Exotic cancer is a comic artist. It’s more difficult to “digest” though if you’re not a stripper.
https://instagram.com/exotic.cancer?utm_…
Or best yet, get a Tumblr. If you have any personal interest in stripping and feminism, especially combined together, it’s hands down the BEST resource.
Off the top of my head, some users to follow are strippr, sucubus-stripper, lapdanseuse, nerdystripper, gothicstripper, hashtag-stripper-problems, workingitinportland, locker-room-bitch, and many others.
Some of the strippers on this site also have tumblr accounts too.
So Nicole, if you take my recommendations, here’s some pros and cons to paying more attention to the sites I recommended over TUSCL.
Pros:
1. You could find all the discussions you want about feminism there. Strippers care WAY more about that subject than the men on here do.
So the content about that stuff is way more thought provoking and interesting to read.
It does tend to be an echo chamber that would be harsh to non-feminist thought. But that would only be a con for others, and not you.
Cons:
1. These stripper feminists are damn good at ignoring trolling.
The closest thing to “trolling” there is on there are from naive aspiring sugar baby bloggers who believe they are about to get 10k/month allowances from several men without sex.
2. In order to get attention on that website, you will have to make posts that resonate with others.
Over on Tumblr and instagram, others choose to follow you and you get attention from being “re-shared”
Whereas on TUSCL, getting ignored is an “opt out” feature that many don’t successfully use.
Pro or con...?:
The posters on Tumblr/Instagram are going to skew very heavily as females who are in their 20s and 30s.
I’m not too sure yet whether Nicole believes that the opinions of older men are more valuable than of younger women.
On the off chance Nicole actually cares about this subject, she will have access to several great resources.
Jacq the stripper is an excellent comic artist and also author.
https://instagram.com/jacqthestripper?ut…
Exotic cancer is a comic artist. It’s more difficult to “digest” though if you’re not a stripper.
https://instagram.com/exotic.cancer?utm_…
Or best yet, get a Tumblr. If you have any personal interest in stripping and feminism, especially combined together, it’s hands down the BEST resource.
Off the top of my head, some users to follow are strippr, sucubus-stripper, lapdanseuse, nerdystripper, gothicstripper, hashtag-stripper-problems, workingitinportland, locker-room-bitch, and many others.
Some of the strippers on this site also have tumblr accounts too.
So Nicole, if you take my recommendations, here’s some pros and cons to paying more attention to the sites I recommended over TUSCL.
Pros:
1. You could find all the discussions you want about feminism there. Strippers care WAY more about that subject than the men on here do.
So the content about that stuff is way more thought provoking and interesting to read.
It does tend to be an echo chamber that would be harsh to non-feminist thought. But that would only be a con for others, and not you.
Cons:
1. These stripper feminists are damn good at ignoring trolling.
The closest thing to “trolling” there is on there are from naive aspiring sugar baby bloggers who believe they are about to get 10k/month allowances from several men without sex.
2. In order to get attention on that website, you will have to make posts that resonate with others.
Over on Tumblr and instagram, others choose to follow you and you get attention from being “re-shared”
Whereas on TUSCL, getting ignored is an “opt out” feature that many don’t successfully use.
Pro or con...?:
The posters on Tumblr/Instagram are going to skew very heavily as females who are in their 20s and 30s.
I’m not too sure yet whether Nicole believes that the opinions of older men are more valuable than of younger women.
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Nicole thinks that most men’s opinions are way more important than women’s.
1. One is reformist and often moralistic and puritanical. They trumpeted motherhood as the reason why women should get the vote. They fought for Temperance and Prohibition. They seek to end the structural oppression and violation of women. Their positions are to a good degree parodied in D. W. Griffith's 1916 movie Intolerance. Look for The Uplifters. And of course they are anti-porn, anti-strip clubs, anti-prostitution.
2. The second school of thought is generally following Marxism and Existentialism, and comes in part through Simone de Beauvoir. They want women to have freedom, instead of repression. So they are pro sex, and also strip clubs, porno movies, and prostitution. There should not be any restrictions on the freedom of women. While they recognize that there is always the potential for exploitation and abuse, most of this is made worse by criminalization of women. So in Second Sex, de Beauvoir lays out four character types women are forced into. The objective must always be to break down these divisions and controls.
So in fighting for Algerian independence, de Beauvoir took the high road, and fought not just for access to contraception, but led by fighting for access to abortion. Much of de Beauvoir's fiction includes abortion.
And then you have those like Alexandra Kollontai, Lenin's Minister of Women's Affairs, who wanted to abolish marriage and the family.
And so you do have pro-sex feminists, like Nina Hartley, often the spokes person for women in porn. And then Cozi Fabian, who became a prostitute at the age of 40, San Francisco. And former porn actress Annie Sprinkle.
http://www.hopedance.org/home/soul-news/…
And then pro-sex feminist writers like Catherine Texier
https://www.amazon.com/Panic-Blood-Cathe…
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/039330…
I am sure there is more which I am missing:
https://gowiththeflowaz.com/
TST AZ's Menstruatin' with Satan 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esoSeAea…
SJG
She’s already ignored this thread and posted in another one. If she doesn’t post in here by tomorrow, then I will spend the next few weeks taunting her that she isn’t a feminist at all.
And that she values what men have to say WAY more than women.
(But on the off-chance that I am wrong, then I have given her some very good recommendations to look into.)
I don't think Nicole really wants to discuss the things she posts. Maybe more just trying to draw attention? But I have her on ignore.
Nicole is not an interesting topic. But feminism is.
SJG
Clearly she's a desperate attention whore. Her actions speak louder than her (dumbass) words. No need to ask her.
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Also, I forgot to include in the OP http://titsandsass.com
@sirlap I can’t help it. She’s a fascinating figure to play armchair psychology with.
And to me the issue is deeper than her just being a desperate attention whore. The bigger question is WHY? As I mentioned in PM to you, that's the puzzling thing about her. Probably some of it has to do with her upbringing and also her sexual inexperience is tied to it. I suspect that sometime in her past she wasn't treated well by a man or men. And because she's really inexperienced in dealing with them and in understanding what is considered normal behavior for a 25 yr old, she is going about feeding her need for attention without even considering how naive and stupid she is in the process.
Unequivocally a desperate attention whore.
I don’t understand her motives either. In most cases, meeting someone IRL from the web makes it easier to understand an individual.
But in my case, I also tend to be fascinated with non-normal personalities. I can’t help myself.
I had a decade long acquaintanceship/friendship with someone who used to drink human blood, create paintings with her menstral blood, brag about her diy abortion, set an ex-boyfriend’s car on fire, and also during high school slit her wrists and rub her blood on the stairwell.
Didn't happen with you two.
And in Nicokeyes case, what I see are the following behaviors:
- someone that wants to prove to herself that she's better than men both intellectually and physically
- someone that wants to use her looks and body as a means to both flirt and bait men to give her attention (through her avatar changes) and reply to her
Also exacerbating it is her sexual inexperience but also frustration because she's never (supposedly) had it. At 25 and still a virgin she's basically retarded about sex and men. And so her perspective is messed up about both. And so all this comes out in her posts. She's sexually frustrated AND resentful towards men. But she also needs their attention in a bad way.
And from all this is why I think something happened to her by a man or men to bring about her misandry and abnormal resent towards them. Trolling TUSCL is her way of both venting and purging her own personal issues with them and feeding her fragile ego that she's better and sexier than them.
Watch, until she at least gets laid finally she is going to be the female equivalent of san_jose_creep over time. She's going to keep creating thread after thread on nearly a daily basis with the sole purpose of either of the two aforementioned behaviors. She has come to need TUSCL as bad as san_jose_creep does. And she's gonna be needy until something changes for her IRL.
We talked about TUSCL, stripping, designer clothes, Youtube videos, and the Dallas area.
As for personal feelings, if she asked to meet up again I’d be down. But I still like trolling. As far as true friendship goes, it’s tough. We both view each other as entertainment in a one dimensional way. She views me as a stripper, and nothing much else. I view her as the troll, and nothing much else. (But to be fair I tried to be polite and ask her a few personable questions, but she was reluctant to answer and I respect her privacy/boundaries.)
@Sirlap
Lol, it’s true. It’s probably unhealthy of me. But it is what it is.
Male attention like fucking duh
I can't say anything bad about her thinking older male opinions matter more than young female opinions, because sometimes I think that way too. It depends what topic or issue it is. Sometimes I side with women sometimes the guy. It isn't so black and white?
@DC hah. I think we are the only ones up.
And also the patriarchy’s like button
Nicespice is an angel can do no wrong
Ah fuck lol idk what struck this troll mood
I hope this is a trend that gets more popular.
And that makes me glad. I hope it becomes the norm then.
And oh definitely on public transit for Portland. I love the MAX
My ex says Virginia is a very nice state. He also says West Virginia is a ghetto shit-hole.
Haha
Girl got issues.
SirLapdancealot psych drop.
"smashing the patriarchy like button" is a euphemism for "being a whore for male attention." But we all know this. Including her.
SJG
Here is an interesting Quora article on "How do you define a feminist?" ( https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-define-… )
@Quora article: "Charles Fourier, a Utopian Socialist and French philosopher, is credited with having coined the word "féminisme" in 1837."
^^^ Not many tusclers (Esp. the ultra-conservative older strip club customers) are going to be sympathetic of a term coined by a French Utopian Socialist. Marxism isn't popular with this crowd, ya know?
@Quora article: "You need to make birth control and abortions available to anyone who wants them - free, on demand, no questions asked. On that note, the same goes for sanitary products."
^^^ That ignores maybe the 45% of women who are pro-life. And WHO is going to pay for these abortions on demand? From my earliest years until maybe Trump was elected I would have said: "The Government". But people have moral objections to this. Or maybe Libertarians have objections about Coercion and Theft. So I guess it is up to all of us feminist (and marxist) allies to self fund say Planned Parenthood as sort of a private charity.
Nicespice, I see a lot of 3rd wave (or modern, post-modern) feminists goals and a lot of it sounds like "Marxist" or "Socialist" free=stuff or redistribution plans. Marxist stuff rarely flies on Tuscl. You can imagine why. lol.
@Quora article:
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Well, that depends. The definition has diversified somewhat over the last hundred years or so.
The original definition, when the term was introduced in the early 1900’s along with the 1st Wave of Feminism, was a person who advocated for the equal treatment of women, morally, legally, and socially. Frankly, that is a position which I support.
There is a second definition, quite similar to the first, which I believed emerged sometime around the late 1960s or early 1970s with the 2nd Wave. A feminist is a person who advocates for the equal treatment of all genders under the law. Again, a position I support.
Both of these definitions I tend to refer to as “Old School Feminist”.
Because we have a third definition, “New School Feminism”, that is based on the behavior of many modern self-identified radical feminists which has come to characterize the 3rd wave of feminism. A feminist is a person who uses feminism as a cover for racist, sexist, and misandrist behavior and beliefs.
You can see then, that the definition and usage of the term Feminism has become clouded by time. It is necessary to be more specific, often to ask what the feminist actually believes. Sadly, when I hear the term used in connection with activism today, my mind jumps to the 3rd definition. When used in historical contexts, my mind jumps to the 1st or 2nd. But you also have old school feminists today. Some of them still call themselves feminists. Others have chosen the label equalist or humanist.
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Nicespice, I am guessing nicole1994 is maybe more of the "old school" feminist. Or maybe she has her own definition? She keeps saying we're defining it wrong. lol. Even the dictionary has two definitions for it. And UrbanDictionary has its own humorous definition.
I agree. In theory, feminism should be something independent of other political viewpoints. But in reality, most feminists also happen to support wealth redistribution. Or most Christians tend to be republicans in the US.
For myself, I view feminism as too divided on certain issues to be really judged accurately by itself. Just like different types of Christianity has too many different types of dogma.
As for the type of feminist Nicole is, good luck. She constantly switches between viewpoints of “stripping is exhibitionist and fun and empowering” and also “stripping is contributing to male misogyny”.
Girl got issues.
SirLapdancealot psych drop.
"Nobody likes Feminism: that's what happened, Hillary."
https://youtu.be/U8oosSynpdU
“Are you a woman who doesn’t like that we don’t get six month maternity leave for postpartum? Might I suggest you launch your own company. Hire only women. Implement that exact policy. Let me know how fast capitalism punches you in the face.” (2:56)
sirlap and nice, nailed it, Feminism is nicole's excuse to come on Tuscl and troll for attention.
I'll also believe feminism is about equality when I see it. Like when feminists tackle male issues -- like higher rates of male suicide -- that are the flip side of the gender issues that feminists hate. I noticed that you didn't include any links to blogs from male feminists. lmao. probably because there aren't any. not that I care that you did or didn't include any.
This article pretty much sums it up for the guys. Be stoic. Don't let it bother you. Do your own thing. It's not for you. Nicole would never mention this as it would pretty much end the discussion. And her attention. BWUHAHA.
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2013/09/…
Girl got issues.
SirLapdancealot psych drop.
SJG
Also she was already an attention whore before this thread but now I think because of it she has stepped up her game and is whoring even harder now. She going to creating more than just one whore thread a day to multiple.
My theory is that as long as she keeps getting trolled in this thread then the more she's going to attention whore by creating even more threads. She's over 250 now.
She's late.
LOLOLLOL ok bye.
LOL you flatter me.
@dominic The sad thing is that I don’t really consider myself a feminist anyways.
We got along great for a while, but then she didn’t like something I said here and got angry. (I forgot what it was, but I certainly would never piss anyone off on here. I’m innocent I tell you.)
And me trolling in kind certainly doesn’t help. :p
Thanks for the comment. Feminism is boring to talk about on here anyway.
Interesting comment RE: you and nicole's falling out.
But I doubt she'll learn how to do it properly. As I mentioned about her using feminism as a facade for her attention whoring from misogynistic men, so is her trolling.
You nailed it with this thread. Her ultimate goal is getting whorish attention from misogynistic men and then passive aggressively resenting them. Everything else is a means to this end.
Damn where is she and I wonder when she'll stop trying to prove my predictions wrong and start posting like a whore...
Ok hi Nicokeyes. It's ok if you create yet another attention whore thread. What's one more out of 252 anyway? You need it. We know!
The other day when I was riding her hard (trolling her), and she kept making new threads (incl., with the same thread title), you could just see between the lines that she really likes it. My better half (Mrs. 77) really thinks that nicole probably re-reads some of the threads later and gets off on it. "getting whorish attention from misogynistic men and then passive aggressively resenting them"
So just because she's not posting doesn't mean she's not still getting off from past material. Maybe, maybe not?
Hi Nicokeyes. Is this what you wanted to read? Is your pussy wet now?
LOL bye (whore).
LOL ok hi (whore).
LMAO she's the female san_jose_creep of TUSCL.
For nicole1994, ride the whore hard and put her away wet, if that's what you like to do on here. xD
https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php5?id…
255 attention whore threads and counting...
...at least one per day created...
I could relate more to it if she were an old man troll or a resentful stripper impersonating her, but as an actual woman who is in college with supposed aspirations in life and the time to interact with real men in real life, it truly is sad.
But all that said I had warned her early not to troll me and since she's a dumbass that didn't listen I'm going to keep roasting and trolling her. It's how I (t)roll.
https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php5?id…
...a ho's gotta ho. (258 attention whore threads.)
Hi Nicokeyes. No amount of makeup can hide your bug eyes.
Ok bye (whore).
https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php5?id…
Upping her ho game!
In her threads, I just keep posting chapters from the Harry Potter Fanfiction, “My Immortal”.
Nicole very much reminds me of the troll that wrote that.
That author’s name (as she claims) was Tara. Tara was allegedly from Dubai.
Also just like Nicole, she had an “identity” for herself and defined herself very much by it. Just like Nicole is a feminist, Tara was a self-described goth. (Even though gothic teenagers in the mid 2000s did not shop at Hot Topic. She would have been better classified as an “emo”, but the facts didn’t matter for this Tara figure.)
This fanfic of Tara had racked up tens of thousands of flame reviews calling her a terrible writer. But she still persisted, and flamed everyone criticizing her as being a “prep”
I didn’t know what to make of it. I cracked into this individual’s fanfiction(dot)net account back in 2007 and the password was “tara” (it was a lucky guess on my part)
But since Nicole was real, I suspect this other individual from my childhood was also real enough as well.
For Further reference:
http://myimmortal.wikia.com/wiki/Tara_Gi…
I don't think she's defining her identity for trolling sake. I think she's actually that way in real life too. She's just being her misandrist self when she posts. And she needs attention like a whore from misogynistic men in real life as much as on TUSCL. I just think on TUSCL she can actually realize it easier and without real world repercussions. TUSCL better enables the true Nicokes to (LOL) "come out".
^^ SirLapdancealot smashing that psych button!
This Tara Gilesbie, just like Nicole, was also very realistic in how she portrayed herself. She was very much like a real middle/high school student in the mid 2000s was with her priorities.
Just like Nicole is much like an early 20 something female feminist academic.
Sometimes one fits so well into the epitome of a stereotypes, others wonder if the other is real. God I love the internet.
^ So to me she fits perfectly into the epitome of the stereotype of a lonely misandrist and retarded high schooler. She's doing rather poorly in the stereotype of a feminist and academic. Plus she's a pretty pathetic internet troll too. She pales in comparison to many others on TUSCL.
And yeah I love the internet too.
Tara’s writing is also infamous for being terrible. Just wait until I reach past chapter 15 on her threads, when she had a falling out with her friend who edited her chapters.
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In a similar vein, Nicole is a *wannabe* feminist. Except her idea of feminism seems to come from memes that one can find on Facebook. I feel like more of a feminist than her, and I’m not a feminist at all.
Never say never I suppose, but her current actions indicates that her lawyer aspirations are also very unlikely.
To be fair, Nicole’s writing is a bit better than Tara’s. But on the other hand, Nicole isn’t in high school.
https://pics.ballmemes.com/to-avoid-rape…
https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php5?id…
What's interesting about this one is that it is a literal "look at me" thread. And of course she finds a way of insulting men in the process of posting.
And, she didn’t insult all men...
LMAO the only reason you are defending her is because she called you handsome and that's just because you are nice to her. LOL she's feeding you SS.
I'll *try* to stay on top of her attention whore posts better but when she goes off schedule there may be some lag...
The smile I had in that photo is but a distant memory. I am now a cranky old lady instead.
@nicespice she envies you but is also extremely jealous. You don't need to work for your attention like she does because you are so much hotter but also since you are a stripper she doesn't respect you.
“I had a decade long acquaintanceship/friendship with someone who used to drink human blood, create paintings with her menstral blood, brag about her diy abortion, set an ex-boyfriend’s car on fire, and also during high school slit her wrists and rub her blood on the stairwell.”
My friendship with that individual ended when she blocked me and several other people in our social circle on Facebook. This was completely out of the blue.
She decided that she didn’t like the fact that I was going out with my boyfriend at the time, and everyone else being friends with him was a betrayal as well. (Plus, she also got fired from the club we all worked at together.)
It was a shame. But I suppose I should just be grateful she didn’t set my car on fire.
technically... ain’t her own blood human?
Ah well.
https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/13-wa…
SJG
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Not afraid to ignore my own thread. Just sayin 😝
I would say that all these things were an issue in my marriage. They were also an issue in an earlier live-in relationship too.
Seems to be written by a woman, Jennifer. Now some will try and make all of this into a case for or against feminism. I don't see it that way. Curious how others see it.
SJG
The B 52s With the Wild Crowd! Live In Athens, GA 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBpYsS5V…
So this really goes no where. And I don't at all see the problem as coming from feminism.
SJG