What is more important to Nicole? Feminism or male attention?

^If the above post is TLDR;

Nicole thinks that most men’s opinions are way more important than women’s.

About Feminism, there are different strains of it. And generally these break down into two:

1. One is reformist and often moralistic and puritanical. They trumpeted motherhood as the reason why women should get the vote. They fought for Temperance and Prohibition. They seek to end the structural oppression and violation of women. Their positions are to a good degree parodied in D. W. Griffith's 1916 movie Intolerance. Look for The Uplifters. And of course they are anti-porn, anti-strip clubs, anti-prostitution.

2. The second school of thought is generally following Marxism and Existentialism, and comes in part through Simone de Beauvoir. They want women to have freedom, instead of repression. So they are pro sex, and also strip clubs, porno movies, and prostitution. There should not be any restrictions on the freedom of women. While they recognize that there is always the potential for exploitation and abuse, most of this is made worse by criminalization of women. So in Second Sex, de Beauvoir lays out four character types women are forced into. The objective must always be to break down these divisions and controls.

So in fighting for Algerian independence, de Beauvoir took the high road, and fought not just for access to contraception, but led by fighting for access to abortion. Much of de Beauvoir's fiction includes abortion.

And then you have those like Alexandra Kollontai, Lenin's Minister of Women's Affairs, who wanted to abolish marriage and the family.

And so you do have pro-sex feminists, like Nina Hartley, often the spokes person for women in porn. And then Cozi Fabian, who became a prostitute at the age of 40, San Francisco. And former porn actress Annie Sprinkle.

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And then pro-sex feminist writers like Catherine Texier

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I am sure there is more which I am missing:

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SJG

Is this a trick question?

^Lol. I’m just interested in Nicole’s reaction.

She’s already ignored this thread and posted in another one. If she doesn’t post in here by tomorrow, then I will spend the next few weeks taunting her that she isn’t a feminist at all.

And that she values what men have to say WAY more than women.

(But on the off-chance that I am wrong, then I have given her some very good recommendations to look into.)

Well, she was talking about rape and saying if guys think that is okay, then they shouldn't be tipping women strippers. And so behold, on this forum, there was a thread where guys were dismissing the survivors calling them liars.

I don't think Nicole really wants to discuss the things she posts. Maybe more just trying to draw attention? But I have her on ignore.

Nicole is not an interesting topic. But feminism is.

SJG

^Interesting. What made you decide to put Nicole on ignore? As opposed to other members on here.

Nicole is smashing the patriarchy ... ... ... ‘s like button!

Also, I forgot to include in the OP titsandsass.com

@sirlap I can’t help it. She’s a fascinating figure to play armchair psychology with.

Lol

Point taken. I don’t expect a direct answer to the OP, or even an answer at all.

I don’t understand her motives either. In most cases, meeting someone IRL from the web makes it easier to understand an individual.

But in my case, I also tend to be fascinated with non-normal personalities. I can’t help myself.

I had a decade long acquaintanceship/friendship with someone who used to drink human blood, create paintings with her menstral blood, brag about her diy abortion, set an ex-boyfriend’s car on fire, and also during high school slit her wrists and rub her blood on the stairwell.

So you met her IRL, what did you actually talk about. TUSCL or RL?? Maybe guys are different or maybe just yall's situation is different, but every time I've met anyone from any discussion board we become good friends on that board. The RL meet and greet is kinda bonding.

Didn't happen with you two.

@Stripfighter

We talked about TUSCL, stripping, designer clothes, Youtube videos, and the Dallas area.

As for personal feelings, if she asked to meet up again I’d be down. But I still like trolling. As far as true friendship goes, it’s tough. We both view each other as entertainment in a one dimensional way. She views me as a stripper, and nothing much else. I view her as the troll, and nothing much else. (But to be fair I tried to be polite and ask her a few personable questions, but she was reluctant to answer and I respect her privacy/boundaries.)

@Sirlap

Lol, it’s true. It’s probably unhealthy of me. But it is what it is.

I noticed that she often/always makes her point in the subject title so that she makes sure we all know what she has to say.

^LMAO DC is drunk.

I ain't read all this shit yet

Male attention like fucking duh

Ok I read that now. Quite frankly I am not sure I know what goes through nicholes head and quite frankly I don't give a fuck, but she keeps the discussions going so I think she serves her purpose here well.

I can't say anything bad about her thinking older male opinions matter more than young female opinions, because sometimes I think that way too. It depends what topic or issue it is. Sometimes I side with women sometimes the guy. It isn't so black and white?

But are you a feminist?

@DC hah. I think we are the only ones up.

Idk if I am a feminist? Probably not honestly. I can't say. Too many definitions of this term floating around to fill some political agenda or another.

Go smash that hydration like button. And also the patriarchy’s like button

Go away silly manspecies

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Stop blaming the female for ur problems silly manspecies. U ppl r ur own fucking breed of animal

Nicespice is an angel can do no wrong

Ok for real I'm just fucking around on here

Why thank you. I’m so misunderstood here.

:)))))))))) aren't all us stripper bitches confusing to these male plebs who still do not understand women after a lifetime of dealing with us :))))))))) silly man's.

Ah fuck lol idk what struck this troll mood

I'm sure you make a great dog DC, ask one of the strippers if she'd keep you on a leash. That could be fun :D

LMAO. I went to a museum in Dallas a couple months ago, and saw some human children in a body harness and a leash.

I hope this is a trend that gets more popular.

I've seen this too but in Portland! I believe it was at the zoo of all places lmao

Ooh. I love the Portland zoo a lot. And just that whole Washington Park area.

And that makes me glad. I hope it becomes the norm then.

I love Portland zoo too, but last I was there, parking was a god damn fucking nightmare let me tell you!! I recommend getting a ride any way you can or public transit.

Richmond does seem like a cool city.

And oh definitely on public transit for Portland. I love the MAX

I love the MAX too.

My ex says Virginia is a very nice state. He also says West Virginia is a ghetto shit-hole.

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Hood discussion. Lol

I meant good discussion. Lol

Haha

Damn

Yep she did. Gotta keep on smashing the patriarchy’s like button.

The ghetto shit hole of West Virginia is the part of Virginia that seceded from Virginia over the slavery issue. Virginia is nice, Richmond is ok, but having a lot of breweries means nothing. Its akin to saying buffets have the best dining because there's a lot of food. Quality,. not quantity rules my world.

i like Richmond lots of cool bars and music venues. Went there to see my buddies band play a few times, the one things that sucks is all the stop lights every 300 feet.

The truly fun city in the mid-atlantic is Charlotte. Amazing food scene.

North Virginia, like from Richmond to DC, is supposedly one of the highest per capita income places in the country. Much tied to defense and intelligence technology.

SJG

@nicespice, @san_jose_guy, @nicole1994

Here is an interesting Quora article on "How do you define a feminist?" ( quora.com )

@Quora article: "Charles Fourier, a Utopian Socialist and French philosopher, is credited with having coined the word "féminisme" in 1837."

^^^ Not many tusclers (Esp. the ultra-conservative older strip club customers) are going to be sympathetic of a term coined by a French Utopian Socialist. Marxism isn't popular with this crowd, ya know?

@Quora article: "You need to make birth control and abortions available to anyone who wants them - free, on demand, no questions asked. On that note, the same goes for sanitary products."

^^^ That ignores maybe the 45% of women who are pro-life. And WHO is going to pay for these abortions on demand? From my earliest years until maybe Trump was elected I would have said: "The Government". But people have moral objections to this. Or maybe Libertarians have objections about Coercion and Theft. So I guess it is up to all of us feminist (and marxist) allies to self fund say Planned Parenthood as sort of a private charity.

Nicespice, I see a lot of 3rd wave (or modern, post-modern) feminists goals and a lot of it sounds like "Marxist" or "Socialist" free=stuff or redistribution plans. Marxist stuff rarely flies on Tuscl. You can imagine why. lol.

@Quora article: " Well, that depends. The definition has diversified somewhat over the last hundred years or so.

The original definition, when the term was introduced in the early 1900’s along with the 1st Wave of Feminism, was a person who advocated for the equal treatment of women, morally, legally, and socially. Frankly, that is a position which I support.

There is a second definition, quite similar to the first, which I believed emerged sometime around the late 1960s or early 1970s with the 2nd Wave. A feminist is a person who advocates for the equal treatment of all genders under the law. Again, a position I support.

Both of these definitions I tend to refer to as “Old School Feminist”.

Because we have a third definition, “New School Feminism”, that is based on the behavior of many modern self-identified radical feminists which has come to characterize the 3rd wave of feminism. A feminist is a person who uses feminism as a cover for racist, sexist, and misandrist behavior and beliefs.

You can see then, that the definition and usage of the term Feminism has become clouded by time. It is necessary to be more specific, often to ask what the feminist actually believes. Sadly, when I hear the term used in connection with activism today, my mind jumps to the 3rd definition. When used in historical contexts, my mind jumps to the 1st or 2nd. But you also have old school feminists today. Some of them still call themselves feminists. Others have chosen the label equalist or humanist. "

Nicespice, I am guessing nicole1994 is maybe more of the "old school" feminist. Or maybe she has her own definition? She keeps saying we're defining it wrong. lol. Even the dictionary has two definitions for it. And UrbanDictionary has its own humorous definition.

Dominic,

I agree. In theory, feminism should be something independent of other political viewpoints. But in reality, most feminists also happen to support wealth redistribution. Or most Christians tend to be republicans in the US.

For myself, I view feminism as too divided on certain issues to be really judged accurately by itself. Just like different types of Christianity has too many different types of dogma.

As for the type of feminist Nicole is, good luck. She constantly switches between viewpoints of “stripping is exhibitionist and fun and empowering” and also “stripping is contributing to male misogyny”.

Lol. If you going to update this thread every time there’s a new post, then this one will end up even longer than PaulDrake’s “involuntarily incelibate” one.

Neither do I. I like stirring the pot too much.

Speaking of redistribution, Candice is trolling us but she's funny.

"Nobody likes Feminism: that's what happened, Hillary." youtu.be

“Are you a woman who doesn’t like that we don’t get six month maternity leave for postpartum? Might I suggest you launch your own company. Hire only women. Implement that exact policy. Let me know how fast capitalism punches you in the face.” (2:56)

sirlap and nice, nailed it, Feminism is nicole's excuse to come on Tuscl and troll for attention.

I'll also believe feminism is about equality when I see it. Like when feminists tackle male issues -- like higher rates of male suicide -- that are the flip side of the gender issues that feminists hate. I noticed that you didn't include any links to blogs from male feminists. lmao. probably because there aren't any. not that I care that you did or didn't include any.

This article pretty much sums it up for the guys. Be stoic. Don't let it bother you. Do your own thing. It's not for you. Nicole would never mention this as it would pretty much end the discussion. And her attention. BWUHAHA. feministcurrent.com

I fully support feminism, as I always have. There are though some strains I like more than others. But overall I do support it.

SJG

“Also she was already an attention whore before this thread but now I think because of it she has stepped up her game and is whoring even harder now.”

LOL you flatter me.

@dominic The sad thing is that I don’t really consider myself a feminist anyways.

I doubt she will want to meet with me again at this point.

We got along great for a while, but then she didn’t like something I said here and got angry. (I forgot what it was, but I certainly would never piss anyone off on here. I’m innocent I tell you.)

And me trolling in kind certainly doesn’t help. :p

I find it hard to believe that you could piss anyone off.... They must have misunderstood.

@nicespice,

Thanks for the comment. Feminism is boring to talk about on here anyway.

Interesting comment RE: you and nicole's falling out.

Sirlapdancealot,

The other day when I was riding her hard (trolling her), and she kept making new threads (incl., with the same thread title), you could just see between the lines that she really likes it. My better half (Mrs. 77) really thinks that nicole probably re-reads some of the threads later and gets off on it. "getting whorish attention from misogynistic men and then passive aggressively resenting them"

So just because she's not posting doesn't mean she's not still getting off from past material. Maybe, maybe not?

ok bye

NiceSpice trolls . . . No Way! I, for one, am shocked

I just ignore her pathetic cries for attention. I actually feel bad for her in some ways.

Why? She gets what she wants out of it. Sure she's perverted in those ways, but she knows what she likes and she went to pretty much the one place on the internet where she can get it.

If nothing, it's helped our sex life and normal daily life. That day when I really trolled her hard, the missus asked, that was incredible today. What did you do differently today? I don't care what it is, but can you keep on doing it?

For nicole1994, ride the whore hard and put her away wet, if that's what you like to do on here. xD

As I told someone whom I’m gaining much respect for just the other day. Some of you people take this shit way to seriously.

^Ahaha the armchair psychology analysis deepens.

In her threads, I just keep posting chapters from the Harry Potter Fanfiction, “My Immortal”.

Nicole very much reminds me of the troll that wrote that.

That author’s name (as she claims) was Tara. Tara was allegedly from Dubai.

Also just like Nicole, she had an “identity” for herself and defined herself very much by it. Just like Nicole is a feminist, Tara was a self-described goth. (Even though gothic teenagers in the mid 2000s did not shop at Hot Topic. She would have been better classified as an “emo”, but the facts didn’t matter for this Tara figure.)

This fanfic of Tara had racked up tens of thousands of flame reviews calling her a terrible writer. But she still persisted, and flamed everyone criticizing her as being a “prep”

I didn’t know what to make of it. I cracked into this individual’s fanfiction(dot)net account back in 2007 and the password was “tara” (it was a lucky guess on my part)

But since Nicole was real, I suspect this other individual from my childhood was also real enough as well.

For Further reference: myimmortal.wikia.com

she’s entertaining.

“I don't think she's defining her identity for trolling sake. I think she's actually that way in real life too.”

This Tara Gilesbie, just like Nicole, was also very realistic in how she portrayed herself. She was very much like a real middle/high school student in the mid 2000s was with her priorities.

Just like Nicole is much like an early 20 something female feminist academic.

Sometimes one fits so well into the epitome of a stereotypes, others wonder if the other is real. God I love the internet.

Who’s Nicole I hadn’t been paying attention.

Tara was a wannabe goth. She called people who liked Avril Lavigne posers, but considered the music bands My Chemical Romance and Good Charlotte as legitimately goth.

Tara’s writing is also infamous for being terrible. Just wait until I reach past chapter 15 on her threads, when she had a falling out with her friend who edited her chapters. ——— In a similar vein, Nicole is a wannabe feminist. Except her idea of feminism seems to come from memes that one can find on Facebook. I feel like more of a feminist than her, and I’m not a feminist at all.

Never say never I suppose, but her current actions indicates that her lawyer aspirations are also very unlikely.

To be fair, Nicole’s writing is a bit better than Tara’s. But on the other hand, Nicole isn’t in high school.

There was a high school girl trolling here??? Dear Lord

Nevermind I had to scroll up my bad

damn. i ran out of popcorn.

Buy me some I'm hangry and ready to murder some Florida retards.

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HAHA^^^

What took you so long? That thread was up for almost an hour before caught it. You’re slipping! LOL

And, she didn’t insult all men...

You can only do what you can do. Keep up the hard work sir.

Sadly, I remember back when Nicole said flattering things about me so that she could maximize her attention whoring. Just like she’s currently doing with Mike. And now I have been discarded.

The smile I had in that photo is but a distant memory. I am now a cranky old lady instead.

@ DC. Way earlier in the thread I said:

“I had a decade long acquaintanceship/friendship with someone who used to drink human blood, create paintings with her menstral blood, brag about her diy abortion, set an ex-boyfriend’s car on fire, and also during high school slit her wrists and rub her blood on the stairwell.”

My friendship with that individual ended when she blocked me and several other people in our social circle on Facebook. This was completely out of the blue.

She decided that she didn’t like the fact that I was going out with my boyfriend at the time, and everyone else being friends with him was a betrayal as well. (Plus, she also got fired from the club we all worked at together.)

It was a shame. But I suppose I should just be grateful she didn’t set my car on fire.

dc. technically... ain’t her own blood human?

and i guess she is wanting male attention. (butt not too much.) I would guess 60% exclusively male attention and the other 40% a mix. basically I suppose... she just wants attention.

@misterwonderful. She and some friends licked it off each other. But apparently they did HIV testing beforehand?

@DC lol yep, it was a test. At best, she could have tried to argue feminism isn’t valid if it’s from strippers. (Since everything I linked to was strippers being feminists) But not even that happened.

Ah well.

we gotta get dat hoe on the pole so she can earn her attention the right way, by shakin dat muddafuckin booty for dat cash!

^ I agree

I agree with some of trapbaby's berating (not all though) to be fair

Shit happens

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SJG

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Shit! This again?

I feel like SJG is doing this cause I’ve been explicitly mentioning how many first page threads I have on ignore.

Not afraid to ignore my own thread. Just sayin 😝

Who's Nicole?

I da pappy

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I would say that all these things were an issue in my marriage. They were also an issue in an earlier live-in relationship too.

Seems to be written by a woman, Jennifer. Now some will try and make all of this into a case for or against feminism. I don't see it that way. Curious how others see it.

SJG

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As I see it, the problem is that you cannot compel women to conduct themselves that way. Unless you mean some sort of supply and demand power thing, you cannot tell a married women what she is supposed to do.

So this really goes no where. And I don't at all see the problem as coming from feminism.

SJG