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I don't normally do this, but I think we can have a constructive discussion regarding what make a "good" review.
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Is the "write a review and become VIP" bull shit? I wrote, re-wrote and re-wrote a review and I keep getting told I have not written enough? I've been offering P2P reviews for 12 years on TER, TNA, GFEClub, BestGfe and Big Doggie. Do you keep rejecting reviews to encourage people to pay the subscription fee? If so, why not just say that rather than pissing people off who then bad mouth your site and therefore lose a lot of future business?
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Review too short / Not enough details
Text of Review:
Place was smokey as fuck which makes it hard to stay too long. However I saw a tall black chick with amazing knockers and I took her for a spin in the couch room... wow I feel great now! She let me have at those melons and I sucked and squeezed those babies till my dick nearly ripped through my pants! She brushed the front of my trousers and I popped a nut in my shorts! WTF
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I'd like to hear the community's thoughts on this review. I hope this discussion will help contributors write better reviews.
I got the following email in response to a review being rejected.
--- begin response ----
Is the "write a review and become VIP" bull shit? I wrote, re-wrote and re-wrote a review and I keep getting told I have not written enough? I've been offering P2P reviews for 12 years on TER, TNA, GFEClub, BestGfe and Big Doggie. Do you keep rejecting reviews to encourage people to pay the subscription fee? If so, why not just say that rather than pissing people off who then bad mouth your site and therefore lose a lot of future business?
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On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:40 PM
We're sorry, but your review of 19th Hole Lounge was not published for the following reason:
Review too short / Not enough details
Text of Review:
Place was smokey as fuck which makes it hard to stay too long. However I saw a tall black chick with amazing knockers and I took her for a spin in the couch room... wow I feel great now! She let me have at those melons and I sucked and squeezed those babies till my dick nearly ripped through my pants! She brushed the front of my trousers and I popped a nut in my shorts! WTF
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I think some people are experts at recounting their experiences such as the great Papi Chulo, but most of us are not as detailed.
If the club is not often reviewed, I like to know the layout.
Things I want to know are parking fee, cover fee, mandatory drink price if any, and how many girls on a shift.
Then I want to know the overall quality of the girls looks followed by the pricing structure for dances and vips.
Finally, is more fun available than just dances and at what rate.
Founder, I've always felt that you've been quite lenient regarding generic review. With that said, IMHO there is no arguing that this review is far too generic. He could have dropped this into a review window for any club that allows smoking, has a couch room and a few black dancers.
I think you posted something once that outlines your thoughts for a good review. Perhaps it would be helpful if you linked it somewhere near the window pane for each new review.
Now I might not find everything on that list to be as meaningful as some. For example, unless there is something very unusual, I don't generally care about decor or how the deck chairs are arranged. But it was an overall good guide. Further, even if his visit had been a short one, he could have at least discussed things like whether or not [and how much] he paid to get in, what the girl wanted for her efforts and at least a couple of other details regarding the state of affairs in the club during his time there. This review was crap with nothing useful.
To me, it is a cardinal sin for anyone who pays a cover, buys a drink and pays for a dance not to be able to share basic prices. It's understandable if they don't want to disclose what they paid for extras, but at least provide basic pricing intel as it matters a great deal from a preparation and potential value standpoint. I grit my teeth every time I see some BS "the price was standard for the area" comment, which makes the entire review suspect as it is one of the few pieces of information that are very hard to fake.
Do you or emily skim the reviews before they get approved or is there some sort of automated system?
It mentions the club is smoky - but that’s the extent of club info.
It provides a quick account of how the customer enjoyed a dancer - and it’s a bit witty.
But it doesn’t provide enough club detail to sway a potential customer to visit (or to know enough to stay away).
This is more of a mildly amusing story about an LDK. It might be a discussion topic - but it’s not a club review.
Also, in writing my reviews, I always felt 1-month VIP isn't enough.
Aside from that, we need a restriction on when you can write another review for the same SC. If I wanted to, I could really damage a SC's score here on TUSCL. I think we should also look into an ABC-system of rating. I think you're a bit limited with a 1-10-system of rating
Next I would recommend moving the review guidelines to another separate page. Then you can go into more detail and spread the existing text out making it more readable. It would also be good to post a link to a few example reviews. I know Papis are excellent and I know my most recent review was very detailed and would be a good example:
https://www.tuscl.net/profile-reviews.ph…
Instead of listing what each paragraph should contain it might be better to just list a bunch of example questions the reviewer could answer. And then state that a good review should answer at least half of those questions.
Case in point, mdb2203. He reviews Pure Gold in Rancho Cordova every single month. The only bit of information of value in each review is the names of new girls. The rest of his review reads like a club ad every single time. Then he scores the club all 10s, every single time. He alone has boosted Pure Gold into top 40 status in the country, when it's probably not even top 40 in California alone.
As for a decent review, this is the info I care about: Is parking easy, or is it a pain to find a spot? Was your visit during dayshift or nightshift? Cover price, drink prices, dance/VIP prices. Where do the normal dances take place, on the floor or in a separate area? What about the VIP, is it a communal room or is it one on one private rooms? What were the ethnicities of the women you saw? Were they mostly spinners, average, or thick/BBW? Were the dances air dances, one way or two way (high) contact? Mention if there's a tip parade.
That's all I can think of for now, I'm sure there's more.
Good idea. At a minimum most reviews should include:
Prices
Mileage
Types of dancers
How many dancers
Ambience(upscale or dive)
Clientele(white collar/blue collar, young/old)
Those would be most important. Layout is less important but anything else would be welcome as well.
As far as review quality goes, that's where the comments and trusts functions can have their influence. I would hope there wouldn't be a review proctor grading the content that goes into a review. Way too subjective.
I don't think founder has the kind of time to assess each and every review as reaching a certain standard (whatever that standard is). I don't see anything wrong with this, though. There are TA's in college and their grading can be subjective. If we are in serious talks of increasing the standard of reviews (which I believe we are), then I would have no objection to having a small team of review moderators to help founder
The combination of free VIP, w/ not being able to verify most of the reviews prior to posting, makes it to easy for people to milk the system (an almost encourages it) - i.e. seems many reviewers write a review not b/c they wanna write a review and give info, but just b/c they want free VIP, and will thus often give the minimal effort (the equivalent of writing a 5-minute review on their smartphone while they are using the toilet).
I can understand the pros of free VIP, but w/o being able to verify most reviews I don't see a way to stop crappy reviews from being posted.
The current guidelines are a bit to loose/generic - not sure if making the review submittal process more structured (more hand-holding) is overkill or not.
As has been suggested above, perhaps having a template w/ a text-box for each area of interest (w/ the caveat that we may not all agree what's necessary/important in a review) - but perhaps a template where the reviewer needs to input text w.r.t.:
+ arrival time (an 8 pm visit can be very different from a midnight visit)
+ parking situation (free, paid, small, large, difficult, etc)
+ cover charge
+ layout (at least describe if it's a dive, midtier, upscale, small, large, seating availability; paid vs free seating)
+ dances (floor dances , separate dance-area, VIP - privacy of dance area - price of different dances)
+ dancer makeup (approx how many; young, old, or a mix; ethnic makeup, body types (slim, big-girls, mix)
+ dance mileage allowed by club (air-dance; one-way; 2-way) - probably best to leave out extras in today's climate
Agreed. Only thing is there would be some that would reject "club ads" or "shill" reviews too frequently if they are on a power trip.
https://www.tuscl.net/rev.php?id=328118&…
As crappy as it is, I don't find them completely useless. It does give some info on the types who frequent these clubs.
Eliminating free VIP for reviews would substantially reduce the number of them, which are the bread and butter of this site. I doubt that this is a realistic option.
You would not write reviews if you didn't get free VIP?
I had a review of mdb's club rejected. Then again, it was a fake review that I wrote just for fun
I would write fewer reviews if I were not rewarded in some way, such as getting a month of VIP.
That said, the bar is set very low and I would not mind seeing the quality of the reviews improved.
Not everyone can be Hemingway, but it should be as comprehensive as a high school book report.
Finally, it takes a lot of brass to write a useless, crap review and then complain about it not being published.
How tough is it to ask yourself, "What would I want to learn from a review?" and read a few reviews to get an idea of what is expected. Or RFG -- Read the Fkng Guidelines.
Not a review.
Yes, I get annoyed when I write long, informative reviews and then someone else gets VIP credit for a few sentences or a worthless Letters-to-Penthouse-style recollection of an experience from five years ago, but I just move on. Jimmy McN is right that the comments are fantastic. It's a good way to call out the shills and morons -- or reward people for a well-done review.
It should not be the world's shortest Penthouse Forum letter.
Many of the other solutions, while it would be nice to do are probably unrealistic for founder. People don't read directions no matter how prevalent you put them on a page. The ability to write in coherent sentences has also been lost on a good portion of the population. This is a community where natural selection prevails. The weak will fall by the waste side. If you don't meet the standard, this community will let you know.
The review posted was weak and needs to be called out.
I find it amusing how he mentions his resume of other sex sites that have posted his reviews. It’s like somebody referring to their review on RoseButtBoard - of a DirtyGardenGirl video where she fucks herself with a horse speculum. Not that I’d ever do something so perverse!
Required:
- Day/Time; A lot of clubs have drastically different vibes at different times
- Parking; Is it on site, what's it cost, anything else interesting
- Cover; How much, do they scan ID's, is there a pat down, a line, a hot ass chick or a grumpy douchy dude
- Club; How big, how full, anything remarkable about the seating arrangement or stage setup, is it all tables or or bars, is there a tip rail, what are the drink prices like & hows the service
- Dances; How much, what type, where are they done, some commentary about mileage
- Dancers; How many, what type, some commentary about anything remarkable. Specifics about one dancer are less useful than generalizations.
Useful:
- Location/Area; Anything outstanding about it, is it a shopping center with other popular businesses? Would a typical person feel unsafe?
- Comparables; How does this place stack up against the other clubs nearby, especially in any of the above areas. Also, is there a reason to go here or avoid going here versus another nearby option, something this place does well.
As far as filtering shitty reviews or encouraging good ones, I'd like to see that be a community effort. Post reviews immediately with a scoring system. A simple Good/Bad or a score from -5 to +5 with only logged in users able to vote. No VIP credit is given initially, but if a review gets positive votes/score it gets VIP time. If it gets negative votes no credit is earned. If its bad enough you can pull it for manual review and potential deletion. Depending on how much work you want to put in on it, you could vary the amount of VIP credit with score. You could also add a sort option based on score, if you could find a good way to combine score and recentness that might be ideal. Meaning a week old review with 10 votes would still sort ahead of a year old review with 25. The same idea could be applied to ratings, reviews with high scores could weigh more in the ratings & again factoring in age would be ideal.
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Hours, how busy at what time, prices and general ambiance as well as details on what’s available are all very important to me. Most of the guidelines listed above are right on target.
One of the things not mentioned much above yet is punctuation, spelling and capitalization. If you can’t write English sentences I don’t want to try and read the review of a moron. I know the internet has pretty low writing skill standards but at least try and show you have an IQ greater than your age. It gives your review a lot more credibility.
One other thing I’ll mention is that current artificial intelligence engines could do a pretty adequate job of parsing reviews to a minimum standard that is so much more than just “how many words or characters”.
I like but worry of the peer review style of review approval. People who frequent the site regularly can tell exactly what makes a quality review and determine in their personal experience that may different from founder's whether the review is good or nah. On the down side, sometimes everyone may not all agree what in the review is worth posting becoming internet English teachers. Also some people who are VIP probably suck as a writer themselves or else they wouldn't have bought a lifetime VIP. And some clubs may get so little attention, it'll never get looked at and nothing will ever come of the review in question. And let's be honest; who writes more reviews: the free VIP guy or the paid VIP member? After all he paid for membership so he DOESN'T have to write reviews to view others.
I think VIP is anyone that has VIP either thru paying for it or having written a current review(s).
BTW, I have a paid lifetime VIP from when I first joined TUSCL b/c originally it was not my intention to write any reviews nor really participate on TUSCL.