Attraction to a customer

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It seems like most dancers value their free time as much as money. Very few dancers work 8 hour shifts for 5 days a week. There are certain expenses to be covered, or a target revenue for the shift. After that amount is met, they quit working for the day, or the week. Anyway, that’s my impression.

The one exception I’ve noticed is a SE Asian dancer who seems to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. I assume she is sending money home to support her entire family !

'Compensation mode' is interesting; take money from an loser that doesn't manage his money well only to give it to an idiot that doesn't manage his money well.

Seems to me men look for purely physical attraction; women are into power and money, which are often interchangeable. For example someone like Trump, who's an idiot, gets lots of women because of his wealth.

-->"It seems like most dancers value their free time as much as money. Very few dancers work 8 hour shifts for 5 days a week. There are certain expenses to be covered, or a target revenue for the shift. After that amount is met, they quit working for the day, or the week. Anyway, that’s my impression."

mark, I think it's a bit more complex than that. There is DEFINITELY the aspect you're describing -- the short-sighted "I have enough money to pay my rent, no need to work until next week" factor. But IME in most girls, in most cases there's also the factor that the business is hard and the girls need to recover: physically (from lots of physical work and especially from all the drinking and maybe drugs) and emotionally (for obvious reasons). From the girls I've gotten to know well, I'm convinced that those two factors play off each other; in many cases, the girls would work again, if they felt up to it.

From the other side, I've only known of a few strippers who work 5 days a week -- in 100% of those cases, the insider info was that they were pimped.

Same can be said about a customer’s attraction to a dancer (minus the money part of it).

Dancers really shouldn’t be offended if a customer isn’t into them. We, as the customer, all have our certain “types”.

Some of us are into red heads, some blonds, some black hair, white, black, Asian, Mexican, some into skinny, some into big butts, some into tattoos, etc. etc.

So when a customer comes in ready to spend his money, it may be that he’s not interested in 9 out of the 10 girls working... but that one, that one is the girl he’s going to spend all his money on.

And there really isn’t any way a dancer can know that when the guy walks through the door, unless he’s a regular and has already made his preferences known.

I remember I was talking to a dancer thinking I figured out a method to become a millionaire trading stock options with enough time. A dancer nearby must have overheard the word millionaire and immediately sat down next to me after I had dances from the girl I was with. Then said how about giving me a hundred dollar bill? I acted like she was crazy. She thought I was a millionaire. She let me know what she wanted right away. I need to work on risk management because if I made 9000 in 24 hours , I may have too much at risk. Sad thing is, I could have made a lot more and that part bothers me. I would have preferred lots more over a longer stretch. I had too much at risk.

Actually there truly is only one color and that is Green(here in the USA, other countries the color may be different)
Money is the ultimate aphrodisiac. Females on a base instinctive level look for a mate to support their young. That may be why many younger women are 'actually' attracted to older established men and many men are attracted to their idea of a mate that can provide healthy offspring(although many men just want to plant their seed in as many places as possible).

Overall though, I risked too much early on and trump said he was going to unleash fire and fury so trump decimated my accounts really bad. In one respect it seems like playing poker. I got trumped by trump. I took him more seriously like everyone else earlier in his term.

Well said PD. Your insight is appreciated. The money is the overriding factor for any sex worker.

I know there are varying levels of ability - with respect to the ability of sex workers - to make customers think they are actually attracted to them. The true pros are able to “act” more convincingly - and some customers think there is more.

Yes money and power are what most girls are looking for. Its honest and real but very important. Girls especially dancers are constantly reminded how useless we are by society therefore the money and power we get from dancing combat that. And yes physical conditions warrants how much we work. its hard on the body. muscle aches, feet problems etc...

I learned you just suggest you got money and some dancers will latch onto you especially if you start talking like it. I told one dancer I was unemployed and she left immediately after saying I don't know why guys come into a strip club broke with no money. I had $500 in my wallet at the time. I didn't tell her that.

Actually my IRA did go up about 9000 in less than 24 hours this week. I could have done a lot better though but was probably taking on too much risk. All that after watching a free webinar on how to turn a 5000 account into 60,000 in 6 months. You have to do a lot of things right to achieve that.

People who say money is not important are virtually always rich.
Dancers are not worthless if you want useless turn on the TV. Virtually every face on is WAY more useless than the 'lowest' dancer.
If the world economy collapses I'd bet good money dancers would survive and actors, talking head news readers would starve before them.
If a stripper came to my door in a crisis I likely would let her in with her kids if a Rachel the hateful mad cow would come into sight of my house I would tell it keep walking.

45% taxes and penalties for early Ira withdrawals though I estimate. That sucks if I go that route.

I think many dancers have shitbag boyfriends is because very few normal guys would put up with the life that these girls live. Sure they’ll fuck them and fuck around with them but most guys with healthy levels of self esteem would not put up with their girl grinding on dozens of men a week, sure I know some of you will give crap about a double standard but I wonder if the Chippendale guys, that aren’t gay have similar girlfriend issues.

The thought of a dancer choosing a dirtbag bf as a sort of repentance for her dancing sins is very interesting. It’s not something I had expected, but it does make sense. It might be similar to some customers who try to be captain-save-a-ho - so would those dancers be captain-save-a-dirtbag?

"But attraction outside of money has alot to do with a connection between a dancer and a customer."

This would be like blood in the water on other sites I can think of, but it's like catnip to TUSCLers. Bravo.

Theory:

All women are prostitutes, in a sense. Women trade sex for cash, overtly and covertly. They trade affection for security. Amazing how many women stay with wealthy dirtbags. So many rich trolls with hot women. Women are drawn to hot cars as they represent wealth and power. Status is conferred on the women attached to such men. Amazing how many divorces seem to follow inheritances.

I was way less attractive to women in my teens and college years. Fast forward to my mid-twenties on up and "free" pussy was chasing ME -- my post college success -- cash, car, etc. had nothing to do with it, right ladies?? Just my skin cleared up, right?

I just see it all so much more clearly from this perspective, now.

Thanks poledancer. Very candid and insightful view. Interesting view of the dirtbag bf phenomenon.

I mostly agree with @PensionKing -- but there are plenty of women who have high-powered careers these days and the notion that all women trade affection for security is outdated.

IDK im pretty certain its that your skin cleared up lol

@Pensionking "The tragedy of youth is that it is wasted on the young"

Women are addicted to money. we see it everyday. girls stripping at 18 or doing porn movies its all about fast easy money. thats what every girl needs.

I am curious; I believe a very muscular physique on a guy is one form of power that a woman finds attractive. Pole dancer can you comment on that? Are you attracted to muscular men because they are, literally, more powerful?

doesnt really do much for me. i find those kinda guys are complete dousche bags lol

Thanks poledancer. Truth be told, I'm a bit tired of constantly having to let these girls down easy. With your eye opening post, I know understand why this keeps happening even though they are also taking money from me. ;)

PD83 - your description of what women are attracted to - it seems the discussion began with what a dancer is attracted to. Are you now referring to civilian women as well? Your recent comment seemed to be more inclusive.

all women are attracted to money to some degree. and i do believe women trade sex for money/power even if dating someone. Now the difference lies between civie and entertainers is that civie girls wont just outright fuck for money or get naked for money. its more of a round about process

Did you hear about the dancer who made a customer a millionaire? He was a billionaire before.

PD83 -- totally agree -- it is the difference between the short con and the long con

Actually, the strip club/pros cash for sex exchange is more honorable. Both sides are clearly indicating what they desire without subtext or subterfuge.

The long con known as dating is, at times, manipulative and without honor. I've known grown women urging their daughters to attend colleges where they will be more likely to meet rich, successful husbands. Yech.

@Random -- you're right, the financially independent woman of the 21st century is a recent phenomenon and turns this cash v sex dynamic on its ear. Not sure how this works out in the long run. Though, if I had a daughter, I would prefer her in this class rather than the 20th century dating power dynamic, if I am being honest with myself.

the cycle wont stop unless guys become unhorny some how. guys spend a shit ton of money just to see a girl naked and dancing. even more money for more intamacy. guys created this and girls go for it all of the time.

Good insight, I agree with the connection part as far as being attracted to a customer.

PD83 - those are great insights. I doubt it will ever end. Guys are always horny. I’m 53 and I’m still very horny. As long as I keep making very good $$$$ - I guess I’ll be ok!

And I’ve spent all this time trying to make girls laugh! What a waste of effort!

@pk "Though, if I had a daughter, I would prefer her in this class rather than the 20th century dating power dynamic"

This is how my daughter is. She has a BF, and had previous BFs, but unlike her GFs never felt bad when she didn't have one. "Boys annoy me." She always said. Her current plan is to be financially independent before even considering marriage, and I could completely see her being a serial dater or even a Sugar Momma so she could have companionship when she wanted, but send them away when they annoy her.

i agree on the whole annoying thing. guys want a girl that fucks cleans cooks and shuts the fuck up. girls want a guy that plans dates, is romantic, talks about feelings. the two are not compatable.

@cash ”I’m 53 and I’m still very horny."

I'm 53 too, and I've had more non-masturbation sex in the past year (heck, past 6 months) than I've had in the past 10 years.

I'm convinced that getting back into p4p sex back in 2015 was the single most important thing that has me alive today. It has made me feel better and serves as an incentive to make positive changes in other areas.

@pd not my daughter. She wants a guy that follows her plans, gets the take out order right and shows up with it on time, and shuts the fuck up while they watch what she picked on Netflix. LOL

Good for her. strong women are awesome

Good point joc13. I’m in good shape - and I think that helps considerably in keeping me horny (and able to perform sexually). The p4p sex is a great way to keep me feeling younger than my numeric age - and it feels good to fuck like a younger guy.

Strong women are more than likely to end up with a not so strong man. And strong men are more than likely to end up with a not so strong woman.

Just like most things in life, too much of anything can become bad for you.

One more thing I’d like to add, since the discussion turned to civie women...
Men get married thinking the woman won’t change. And many women get married thinking the man will change, either for her, or he will change by her molding him into what she wants.

Both are wrong in most cases, which leads to many unhappy marriages.

However, I believe many stay in a relationship (both men and women) because they are just not willing to give up the standard of living that they have become accustomed to over the years. And the older you get, the more likely you are to settle...even if you are not truly happy.

I have to agree with PD regarding the repentance issue because I see it with my successful criminal clients and how they deal with money. In fact we always used to wonder why one of my friends was always buying rounds, hosting a super bowl party and having it catered by an expensive restaurant, picking up dinner tabs strip club tabs and after 10 years of this we found out when he went to the Federal Penitentiary on tax evasion charges t hat he was pissing away ill-gotten money.

Not all dancers are as money focused as we are led to believe on this thread. My atf has a lot of customers that schedule appointments with her, buy her stuff and spend tons in the club on her. I am not one of them. In fact I bet I am her worst customer financially. We spend more time hanging out and shooting the breeze than anything else.

I find women that want me to take care of every aspect of their life a turn off.
When a woman will not even decide where to go to dinner on and evening out and expects me to plan every aspect of a date after the first few dates is destined for a break up. I do not want to always be the one to make every decision. I have to do that every day in my job so I do not want to plan dinner. I do not even care if i drive or not.
The third of fourth time I get and "I do not know" or "you decide" I begin to stay home by myself and relax especially when she always waits for me to start something romantic/intimate. I takes two to tango and an overly passive partner is not much better than and evening spent with porn and "rosy palmer and her five sisters"
There is not much better than when you are out with a beautiful girl/woman and she comes back from the restroom and asks you to hold something for her until she gets home and it is her panties! I also once had a gf hand me a remote control to the egg she had just inserted(unfortunately she turned out to be just a little too much for a long term relationship (drugs and the associated crowd etc.= deal breaker)
I do not like my partners helpless, that makes for a boring relationship. I have always thought that a marriage should be 50.1% to 49.9% relationship because one partner or the other should have the final say because you will not always agree but both should be able to stand up on their own feet and go forward.(yes I would expect to the majority stock holder)

I’m thinking PD should repent and show us some nude photos. She’s got gorgeous pussy lips - and not sharing them with us just seems to be wrong!

I’d be happy to send PD a few photos of some cash - if that would get her worked up...

Agree with @warhawks.

My older sister earns $350k+ each year. Her husband of 30 years is college educated, not gainfully employed and has essentially been a well-read house-husband, nanny, cook and chauffeur for 25 of those years. It works for them. He pays the bills, manages the money, drives parents to doctors appointments, etc. She works and makes bank.

Also, totally agree with comments about women expecting their mates to "change" or "evolve" in their image. I was supposed to be a millionaire CEO someday. At one time, even I wanted that. When I turned out to fall short of those lofty expectations, my wife never lets me hear the end of it.

I think poledancer posted something but I keep getting distracted by her avatar.

Not that I’m complaining.

I have seen enough times, a hot stripper head straight over to an older, dumpy looking guy. I figure the decision is 80/20. 80% is about making money, 20% is everything else (customer is nice looking, polite, good conversation, etc.) All these other factors can differentiate you from other middling PLs. But money is the ultimate trump card.

^^Nothing wrong with her banner either. Just click on the avatar!

" Dancers often have the motto of being with shit bag BF's but that is a compensation mode. You just took a house payment from some poor bastard and you want to repent for your sins by helping out some shit bag bf you have." --PD

Speaking with some dancers, me thinks it was the other way around. Dealing with D-bag BFs they retaliate by taking the house payment from some (not-so)poor bastard as compensation.

In the word of Jerry mcgware

Show me the money

@poledancer83 just curious if you are different when entertaining a customer you are truly attracted to vs one you aren't. Are you more relaxed or allow more mileage/fun (per dollar) with ones you are more attracted to?