A laudable goal, but first certain weeds must be pulled up by the roots.
Back to topic: One of my resolutions is to visit at least 1 new club in 2018 outside my usual comfort zone.
Would be great, but achievable? I don't find some of the "side line" topics enjoyable, IE: football, politics, etc. Where I draw the line is the member to member ranting and raving. THAT I mostly eliminate with my extensive ignore list. Where it not for ignore I would never have come back when I left this board for some time. The second time I left, well that was personal and not board related. Some here know why.
I believe that board as it is at present is pretty damn good, but the one thing I would suggest is "weed" it of the obvious "members" here that never add anything to the STRIP CLUB world. That group is fairly identifiable, I believe.
I'm going to try, but it is going to be hard to unring the bell after seeing certain things recently. I'm as big as club junkie as anyone here and have happily contributed to the review section, but the admitted depraved acts of one member and the unfathomable defense of those acts by a few others have raised a lot of questions for me. This is supposed to be a place where grown share stories about their fun with grown women. Let's hope that, moving forward, the collective membership can keep this in mind as they post "stories and tips about strip clubs, dancers, and the joys of being mongers."
With that said, in the spirit of what you have requested and in gratitude for everything that you have done for us here, I'm going to kick it off with a thread that I will be posting momentarily...
@Founder: you did not answer @txtittyfag's question. He asked if he would be banned if he continued to point out that we have a self-admitted pedophile in our midst. Namely @vincemichaels.
How about you answer what he asked instead of dodging the question. I think the fact that there is a self-admitted pedophile on this board is a serious matter. Something you will have to make a real decision on and not just tap dance around.
World peace lol. Of course Dougie, the 12 year old, started up already. Dougie's posts seem like a confession of personal desires masquerading as an attack on another.
Excellent idea, and it is refreshing to see from the posts here how limited the support really is for the juvenile rantings that have made it such a pain to attempt to read board without “ignore” turned on.
i've been thinking recently this vendetta to drive off a certain member could have unintended consequences for the rest of us. right now this board is sort of like the wild west, and i like it like this.
i myself doubt vincemichaels is a pedo for the simple reason that there is literally no reason for a pedophile to be on this board. a real pedo would be on the deep web.
imo vincemichaels is a liar just trying to get attention, which is really pathetic when you think of it, lying to get attention on an anonymous forum, but really not all that different from gawker, or doces or others i've seen post some really unbelievable shit, the only difference being that vincemichaels is willing to go to extremes to get attention, either that or he does have some mental incapacity as others have speculated
btw, i look like clark kent, trump and i are best buds, whenever i visit vegas he puts me up at his hotel, and new year's eve he got me a surprise to ring in the new year - lexi belle - she rode me all night long, and then in the morning ivanka came in to wake me up with a bj and the fun continued...
now you know this is all true cuz i posted it on the internet, see how that works?
naww... Yet another temper tantrum. Also adorable.
The most insidious aspect of pedophilia it can crop up anywhere at all: work, church, school, home, and community. There is no barrier (digital or otherwise) between them and us until they get caught.
On a strip club site where some members make their preference for barely-legal teens a central part of their online persona, they might even come to feel that this is a safe(r) space in which to operate.
Not all pedophiles are masters of online secrecy tied in to the Dark Web. Many skate by on a bit of luck, opportunism, and the fact that most people want to believe that pedophiles exists somewhere out there and not in their own world.
@Analvone: "btw, i look like clark kent"
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You know, @Analvone, you keep posting about how good-looking you are. Despite what @Dougster says, this forum is *not* filled with gay guys and nobody here cares one way or another. Maybe should participate in one of the men's gay forums?
Assuming you really do look like Clark Kent, my advice is to keep your mouth shut. Because if the girls find out you're bat-shit crazy, you'll never get laid. Never.
It's the difference between knowing and there being enough to get the guy convicted. Anyone with even a tenth of a brain knows OJ was guilty. Was there enough to get him convicted? Better than 10 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man goes to jail. Well I guess vinceygirl would be one of the ten.
Would you want members of this board directing law enforcement to this site? Given TUSCL's national span, that would likely involve both state agencies and possibly the FBI contacting you for user information.
I'll be the first to admit that there's not a lot of legally binding evidence here. That said, there's a fair number of your users who are justifiably skeeved out by a user bragging about getting a blowjob from a 14 year-old girl.
I haven't enjoyed the trolling... at all. But I'm okay with a site littered with questionable behavior having some sort of moral compass.
What you guys are missing here with all of your paranoia, is founder us telling you he will cooperate with LE, as will anyone here with nothing to hide. AFAIK no laws are being broken by having this website operating.If this really rises to the level that you are claiming, law enforcement has the ability to get a subpoena and uncover his real name with very little problem, just for the record they have busted many child porn rings over the internet with less information to go on than is available here.
Now lets have a Happy, Successful, and Prosperous New Year and cut the stupidity.
Oh, I got it. The fact that we think that someone who admits to being attracted to underage girls, and admits to having sex with at least one (as young as 14 y/o) is, in fact, a pedophile makes us "paranoid".
Yep, makes total sense. We really got to work on our paranoia which is the real problem isn't it?
And, no, Founder does not have a database with our real names.
^^^Don’t need a database all they need is an ESN and they can find the computer that did the post. I doubt our masterminds here are using proxy servers and even then they have made cases against child pornographers and molesters that used them so stop acting so stupid.
While I personally dont condone certain behaviors of members of the board we still need this to be a safe place for members to share candid stories they otherwise would not. By dropping spam "dirty bombs" on the board to chase off a member or in general insulting specific members for posting life stories will have the effect of killing the board. What existing or new member will post here knowing they will probably be judged harshly? It also has the effect of attracting even greater numbers of insult trolls which he have seen recently. You can see some regular posters have already shut down their postings for some time. Also some new posters were getting immediately attacked by insult trolls shutting them down at once. The general environment has gotten too hostile.
Nobody here has to like everybody but lets keep it civil and fun.
Anything written on TUSCL should be considered fiction.
I did not make this up, Founder did as a disclaimer. Basically you can say whatever the fuck you want without repercussions. This board is its own beast.
I read founders original message and thought I was a great way to start a new year. But in the same discussion - we’ve reverted back to the same ongoing flame issue.
The truth is obvious:
We don’t know who Vince really is.
Outside of his postings - we don’t know what he actually did.
There is little chance that contacting the police will prove successful.
This board is a very open forum.
My feelings on this matter:
I’d prefer the board to remain as it is.
I agree - his described behavior is indefensible.
If one makes a depraved and illegal admission in this forum - it would cause me to wonder about the sanity of the person making the admission. It could be a horrible attempt to get attention - or it could be the truth - or it could be a mix of both.
DOUG -- Did I see his post? Seriously? Did you? I commented 3 names down so obviously I saw it; recognized it as trolling; ignored it when I noticed that he never said how old he was when he banged the 14 year old. His post meant nothing and after 18 months you could move on. Psst I fucked a 14 year old, when I was 13. Who's the pedophile there; her or me?
I figure that at least a couple of users here are legitimately lawyers and would hopefully give founder a heads up if/when there really is any legitimate legal risk to himself or the operations of the site.
I would also be astounded if law enforcement hasn't been perusing the site for years if only to get ideas for how untoward things in strip clubs might possibly go down to help with their work.
In other words, it's not plausible to believe that the 10,000 threads about vm have escaped their attention.
The real issue, imho, is the cultural aspect of it. The fortunate thing as I see it is that I haven't seen anyone at all actually defend what vm said. There have been a few weak defenses from maybe one or two people who say they have met him that he isn't actually like that, but I think it's pretty clear that this kind of talk draws resounding scorn here.
The other part is that running the site becomes more of a headache than anything, I wouldn't expect it to stick around. It's hard to imagine the site generating much more than gas money and maybe valet fees.
To no one in particular. Yes I know the difference between the dark net and the deep web. I used deep web for a reason. I love all you tyros who have conniption fits when you learn the new word of the day. Founder is a smart guy. If there was any evidence of wrongdoing he could contact the authorities and they would know what Vince Michaels ate for breakfast and shit after dinner. Now move along please. Let's try to make 2018 better.
So the comment thread on @founder's discussion to stop the flame wars has turned into a flame war. It would be ironic if it were not so damned pathetic.
In my opinion most message boards are over moderated, vastly so. This actually makes people get more negative, as they battle for virtual turf by trying to convince moderators that they are right. And then the moderators tend to side with the herd, and they don't actually read threads close enough to see who started it.
Here on TUSCL we have lots and lots of trolls. But on many other boards its worse, because the trolls are the ones who have moderator powers.
So I think Founder has done an excellent job in mostly just staying out of it and not taking sides.
When it gets real bad, just use the ignore button. Mostly it works, in that the trolls eventually stop when they see that you are using it. I went for over a year not using it, and mostly that worked. But beyond a point, when people are just posting negative meta and it gets too time consumptive to keep replying to them and giving detailed explanations, and when they are clearly just trying to taunt you and bait you, then use it.
My Ignore List
DrPhil, DrPhil., IME, Meat72, san_jose_gay, tixtittyfag, JimGassagain, Call.Me.Ishmael, SirLapdancealot, L1oydSchoene
Fortunately most of the TUSCL members do want to engage in reasoned dialog, even if it means dialog with people whom they deeply disagree with about many things.
I have recently noticed the lack of posts from one member. He was someone quite thoughtful, and with whom I often disagreed. I think it might be because he realized that though there are widely divergent points of view, most everyone seems to support mongering in its practice and its legalization. He did not, and he posted such, and then he vanished.
To me, Strip Clubs were not originally about mongering. That was what AMPs were for. But things have changed. Though it raises the cost, I feel that it's better the new way. But I also feel that booth dances has created a new type of clip joint and that this is perpetuated because guys don't see that they're being played for chumps.
Founder has this set up so it is a easy as possible, not really moderating, not having different sections, as different sections would require more moderation for those who post in the wrong section.
I think it is important to try and reuse threads. Too many vacuous threads are created each day, just trying to use the title listing to get more exposure, and often just for negative meta.
We don't need 10 new threads per day saying essentially the same things, trying to bait and taunt people, not when new comments could just be added to the original thread, and that would make it easier to work through the thread listings.
And I know it would be better if people woutd simply keep it civil.
Life Boat Forum. Because TUSCL, like all forums, is always at risk, I have created a LifeBoat Forum, just to keep the community together in case of problems.
So please save this link somewhere outside of TUSCL. You can register now and start posting too, just keep your reg info somewhere safe. Usually sending email to yourself via multiple emails works well.
You can join now and post, but it has to stay within the free hosts limits. Can't talk about much of what is talked about on TUSCL. And I'm not going to spend time dealing with trolls. I'll just suspend their posting ability, until some day when TUSCL has an outage. Its just supposed to be a life boat, nothing more.
Remember, SF Red Book, with its ads and forums, it went down without warning,
TUSCL's forum is more vigorous, and it would be a shame to ever lose it.
I'm going to agree with SJG here. Considering the nature of this forum, creating endless troll threads isn't an attack against Vince Michaels, it's really more of an attack against the forum itself. This is partly what I was referring to by unintended consequences. Of course as I've often been told I do enjoy conspiracies so part of me is starting to wonder if the consequences are really unintended, especially given that the trolls seem determined to ignore Founder's express wishes.
@founder posted -> "Let’s get back to using this discussion board for sharing stories and tips about strip clubs, dancers, and the joys of being mongers."
^ Per your request and as the site founder, I will oblige. Thanks for the reminder.
Sorry, but I am not going to abide by this resolution. Getting a self-admitted pedophile off the board needs to take higher priority than everyone just pretending to get along. That would be phony anyway. It's been tried in the past and never last more than a few days.
I will make one concession, however. My focus will be almost entirely off of rickdugan now (whose stance on this is exactly right) and even off @SJG until that self-pedophile @vincemichaels is gone from the board. Prioritizing is important!
@skibum609: Is what @RandomMember is saying is true? I've actually never heard of Suffolk (although I've certainly heard of Harvard, Yale, and Columbia). Is it true you could only get into a third tier law school? Is that why you talk so tough on here despite the fact that, objectively, you are always wrong? Are you trying to compensate for your poor education?
There’s a fine line between bad ass and needy attention whore fag. I think we all have varying degrees at which we see that line being crossed. Personally, I have a high tolerance, if someone is really funny or oddly good natured, but everyone is different.. South Park says it best.
I'll be happy when Dougster and all his troll identities is lying in a morgue somewhere with a toe tag, till then the ignore button is probably the best thing we got here.
This thread drew out the trolls, providing a convenient way to add to my ignore list. By adding 4 names, the forum takes on a less stressful atmosphere. Serenity now !
He, this impersonation troll, 'vincemichels' is actually promoting pedophilia, getting people to think about it. See his post on the thread about dancer ages. Not cool at all.
@txtittyfag... You understand that you're trying to explain the moral ramifications of statutory rape to a guy who thinks it's okie-dokey to slip his dick into a girl while she's asleep... right?
We're also both on his oft-published ignore list. So, it's all farting in a windstorm, really.
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Back to topic: One of my resolutions is to visit at least 1 new club in 2018 outside my usual comfort zone.
Would be great, but achievable? I don't find some of the "side line" topics enjoyable, IE: football, politics, etc. Where I draw the line is the member to member ranting and raving. THAT I mostly eliminate with my extensive ignore list. Where it not for ignore I would never have come back when I left this board for some time. The second time I left, well that was personal and not board related. Some here know why.
I believe that board as it is at present is pretty damn good, but the one thing I would suggest is "weed" it of the obvious "members" here that never add anything to the STRIP CLUB world. That group is fairly identifiable, I believe.
With that said, in the spirit of what you have requested and in gratitude for everything that you have done for us here, I'm going to kick it off with a thread that I will be posting momentarily...
I plan to visit a few more clubs outside my area this year.
Not sure if that's intentional or a bug. Thought I'd point it out, though.
How about you answer what he asked instead of dodging the question. I think the fact that there is a self-admitted pedophile on this board is a serious matter. Something you will have to make a real decision on and not just tap dance around.
https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=4464…
vincemichaels
“August 14, 2016
It hasn't really stopped me before. My sailboat saw a lot of sex with me and my female friends, even the 14 year old.”
i myself doubt vincemichaels is a pedo for the simple reason that there is literally no reason for a pedophile to be on this board. a real pedo would be on the deep web.
imo vincemichaels is a liar just trying to get attention, which is really pathetic when you think of it, lying to get attention on an anonymous forum, but really not all that different from gawker, or doces or others i've seen post some really unbelievable shit, the only difference being that vincemichaels is willing to go to extremes to get attention, either that or he does have some mental incapacity as others have speculated
btw, i look like clark kent, trump and i are best buds, whenever i visit vegas he puts me up at his hotel, and new year's eve he got me a surprise to ring in the new year - lexi belle - she rode me all night long, and then in the morning ivanka came in to wake me up with a bj and the fun continued...
now you know this is all true cuz i posted it on the internet, see how that works?
"Ignore" can be liberating!
That's some rock-solid logic you've got going on there.
now why don't you be a good little faggot and go fuck muslim queers until you catch AIDS?
naww... Yet another temper tantrum. Also adorable.
The most insidious aspect of pedophilia it can crop up anywhere at all: work, church, school, home, and community. There is no barrier (digital or otherwise) between them and us until they get caught.
On a strip club site where some members make their preference for barely-legal teens a central part of their online persona, they might even come to feel that this is a safe(r) space in which to operate.
Not all pedophiles are masters of online secrecy tied in to the Dark Web. Many skate by on a bit of luck, opportunism, and the fact that most people want to believe that pedophiles exists somewhere out there and not in their own world.
Enjoy your day.
As for banning people from tuscl, tbh that is impossible. Just ask any one of Juice's 12 aliases.
I wish you all a healthy, prosperous, and happy New Year.
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You know, @Analvone, you keep posting about how good-looking you are. Despite what @Dougster says, this forum is *not* filled with gay guys and nobody here cares one way or another. Maybe should participate in one of the men's gay forums?
Assuming you really do look like Clark Kent, my advice is to keep your mouth shut. Because if the girls find out you're bat-shit crazy, you'll never get laid. Never.
Would you want members of this board directing law enforcement to this site? Given TUSCL's national span, that would likely involve both state agencies and possibly the FBI contacting you for user information.
I'll be the first to admit that there's not a lot of legally binding evidence here. That said, there's a fair number of your users who are justifiably skeeved out by a user bragging about getting a blowjob from a 14 year-old girl.
I haven't enjoyed the trolling... at all. But I'm okay with a site littered with questionable behavior having some sort of moral compass.
As always, your castle; your rules.
Now lets have a Happy, Successful, and Prosperous New Year and cut the stupidity.
Yep, makes total sense. We really got to work on our paranoia which is the real problem isn't it?
And, no, Founder does not have a database with our real names.
“Make my ATF to be little loose so that she will allow me to suck her tits”
— — — — — — —
@DB, how’d she achieve ATF status without allowing a little titty sucking?
While I personally dont condone certain behaviors of members of the board we still need this to be a safe place for members to share candid stories they otherwise would not. By dropping spam "dirty bombs" on the board to chase off a member or in general insulting specific members for posting life stories will have the effect of killing the board. What existing or new member will post here knowing they will probably be judged harshly? It also has the effect of attracting even greater numbers of insult trolls which he have seen recently. You can see some regular posters have already shut down their postings for some time. Also some new posters were getting immediately attacked by insult trolls shutting them down at once. The general environment has gotten too hostile.
Nobody here has to like everybody but lets keep it civil and fun.
I did not make this up, Founder did as a disclaimer. Basically you can say whatever the fuck you want without repercussions. This board is its own beast.
The truth is obvious:
We don’t know who Vince really is.
Outside of his postings - we don’t know what he actually did.
There is little chance that contacting the police will prove successful.
This board is a very open forum.
My feelings on this matter:
I’d prefer the board to remain as it is.
I agree - his described behavior is indefensible.
If one makes a depraved and illegal admission in this forum - it would cause me to wonder about the sanity of the person making the admission. It could be a horrible attempt to get attention - or it could be the truth - or it could be a mix of both.
I would also be astounded if law enforcement hasn't been perusing the site for years if only to get ideas for how untoward things in strip clubs might possibly go down to help with their work.
In other words, it's not plausible to believe that the 10,000 threads about vm have escaped their attention.
The real issue, imho, is the cultural aspect of it. The fortunate thing as I see it is that I haven't seen anyone at all actually defend what vm said. There have been a few weak defenses from maybe one or two people who say they have met him that he isn't actually like that, but I think it's pretty clear that this kind of talk draws resounding scorn here.
The other part is that running the site becomes more of a headache than anything, I wouldn't expect it to stick around. It's hard to imagine the site generating much more than gas money and maybe valet fees.
Here on TUSCL we have lots and lots of trolls. But on many other boards its worse, because the trolls are the ones who have moderator powers.
So I think Founder has done an excellent job in mostly just staying out of it and not taking sides.
When it gets real bad, just use the ignore button. Mostly it works, in that the trolls eventually stop when they see that you are using it. I went for over a year not using it, and mostly that worked. But beyond a point, when people are just posting negative meta and it gets too time consumptive to keep replying to them and giving detailed explanations, and when they are clearly just trying to taunt you and bait you, then use it.
My Ignore List
DrPhil, DrPhil., IME, Meat72, san_jose_gay, tixtittyfag, JimGassagain, Call.Me.Ishmael, SirLapdancealot, L1oydSchoene
Fortunately most of the TUSCL members do want to engage in reasoned dialog, even if it means dialog with people whom they deeply disagree with about many things.
I have recently noticed the lack of posts from one member. He was someone quite thoughtful, and with whom I often disagreed. I think it might be because he realized that though there are widely divergent points of view, most everyone seems to support mongering in its practice and its legalization. He did not, and he posted such, and then he vanished.
To me, Strip Clubs were not originally about mongering. That was what AMPs were for. But things have changed. Though it raises the cost, I feel that it's better the new way. But I also feel that booth dances has created a new type of clip joint and that this is perpetuated because guys don't see that they're being played for chumps.
Founder has this set up so it is a easy as possible, not really moderating, not having different sections, as different sections would require more moderation for those who post in the wrong section.
I think it is important to try and reuse threads. Too many vacuous threads are created each day, just trying to use the title listing to get more exposure, and often just for negative meta.
We don't need 10 new threads per day saying essentially the same things, trying to bait and taunt people, not when new comments could just be added to the original thread, and that would make it easier to work through the thread listings.
And I know it would be better if people woutd simply keep it civil.
Life Boat Forum. Because TUSCL, like all forums, is always at risk, I have created a LifeBoat Forum, just to keep the community together in case of problems.
http://testosteronelifeboat.freeforums.n…
So please save this link somewhere outside of TUSCL. You can register now and start posting too, just keep your reg info somewhere safe. Usually sending email to yourself via multiple emails works well.
You can join now and post, but it has to stay within the free hosts limits. Can't talk about much of what is talked about on TUSCL. And I'm not going to spend time dealing with trolls. I'll just suspend their posting ability, until some day when TUSCL has an outage. Its just supposed to be a life boat, nothing more.
Remember, SF Red Book, with its ads and forums, it went down without warning,
TUSCL's forum is more vigorous, and it would be a shame to ever lose it.
Save this safely too:
https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/
SJG
SJG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV8kJu4N…
But better to see the whole thing. I've only seen it once, on broadcast TV, not on video tape or DVD.
Over all I think a favorable portrayal.
SJG
^ Per your request and as the site founder, I will oblige. Thanks for the reminder.
Man, you must be some kind of lawyer in real life.
https://abovethelaw.com/2014/07/this-law…
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/254813/bru…
TRANSLATION: "I'm literally the only person who has been banned from 4chan."
;)
SJG
Seems like a harsh nuclear option. But it is Founder's sandbox.
We're also both on his oft-published ignore list. So, it's all farting in a windstorm, really.