Turned down a handy from a 9

$100 for a HJ is outrageous. I would have refused and busted her in a review.

@shadowcat I just did, can't remember her name though : /

I would have turned her down too, but mostly because I don't like hj.

I've thought this over ssince being on Tuscl and StripperWeb the past two years. Normally I go long with what Chilil Palmer writes: except: I'm done being passive aggressive so I'm aggressive. If I was SURE and DAMN SURE it was 5 songs. I would pay for the 5 songs. Period. No tip.

Why? Because she tried to pick my pockets by trying to overcharge songs.

I understand some guys are in the position that $20 or $40 extra is no big deal. But to me it is. $20 is like an hour of work to me. The dancer can take the $10" and deal with it.

What's a fair price for a HJ? $20 by a street walker on street. ITC? I go by Chili Palmer's rule because his method hasn't let me down. He is tip schedule of $10/$20/$40 where $40 dollars is the asshole tax. And cumming triggers the asshole tax. So I'd tip $40 unless CP says I'm wrong. The dude CP is like Yoda Jedi Monger, er Master.

I can understand the rationale for wanting to LDK, but not for a handy. Fortunately, no dancer has ever tried to force one on me.

I probably would have cut it short after she started aggressively pushing a handy. Once a dancer starts asking for money in large increments, that's a pretty clear signal to take your leave unless maybe what she's offering is what you're seeking.

She was determined she was going to get at least $100 out of you regardless. I think she just offered the "easy" way.

@Dominic77 We salute you, Mr. pre-cum spots on your shorts playing the irate customer over a ROB miscounting dances and trying to pass your pre-cum off as a completed handy!

Was this the same girl you mentioned in your last comment on my kitty play discussion? Now it makes a little more sense why you tipped (she insisted on one because of the precum spots) when it made no sense in the other discussion where you paid for two phantom songs and tipped on top. Still doesn't make a lot of sense. You did also promise her a tip for allowing pussy play in a topless dance (i'm a little surprised that all 3 dancers you tried LDs with flashed the pussy and allowed pussy play; did you negotiate tips for all 3?)

I would avoid this ROB on general principle because if she got away with these shenanigans she'll try again next time. If you can't get over her and want to try again, make sure that you're clear with her when the song ends. Say this is a new song? If she says yes, then say Round 2 then. And repeat this for every song when it ends. Round 3, Round 4. You can even use the auto Shazam app, that sinclaire described in an article a few months ago about the benefits of smart phones in the club. If there is someone that counts dances, you might have to get him involved. Don't let her start in the middle of a song even if that means you have to stay standing up and don't spend so much time in the area after the last song ends. Usually i wait for the girl and leave with her holding her hand, arm, back or butt, but with this ROB, i would just pay, thank her, embrace her and leave so you don't potentially get charged an extra song for loitering too long.

Thanks, @ppwh. No tip. Trying to pass off pre cum stains as a handie. Does she have no pride? No work ethic?

Dick comes out. Up and down. There you go. That's a Handie. Hold on, let me get you a towel. See you in five weeks, honey. Here's $40.

I'd have tipped her $1 and paid for 5 dances only. I never let a fucking ROB lie and cheat for money she doesn't deserve. I tip and I pay fair, but if she trys to rip me off we are going to have an issue and then she will get paid the bare minimum. Never reward ROB behavior. NEVER!

That's why the Cubans have a bad-rep, pushy as fuck to where it fucks up the experience.

Dances at BD's are $20 so I would not mind paying $100 for good dances including a HJ (assuming I wanted one) if the dances were good mileage but $100 is enough payment (I'd either get 4-dances and tip a $20 or 5-dances and no tip and I would tell her $100 was enough payment and only reason I got 5-dances was b/c of the HJ o/w I would've stopped earlier) .

@Dirk yes same ROB. I didn't go into much detail before. The other 2 that night, I did not offer tip it just happened along with some LFK. I offered the tip to the Cuban as a diversion to get her out of my pants and back on my lap, of course I didn't know she was a ROB at the time. She was a great actress--I'd be shocked if she doesn't have porn tapes out there somewhere on the www.

It didn't help that we were standing near the stairs and bar, there were 15 people around us and I had wet spots on my shorts. I just wanted to be done with it. Did I mention she was hawt?

There are always gonna be ROBs and over-counters and since I can easily get distracted my M.O. is usually to tell a dancer to let me know every time a new song starts that way we're on the same page (but even then some of these bitches still try to pull a fast-one)

@TXbananas there is no need for dignity if you are already wearing shorts in a strip club. Never enable ROB behavior. NEVER!

^^^ that's my new rule. Along with asking "Your boyfriend doesn't work here does he?"

You definitely have to be on your game at BDs, the first time I went there I called it the Costco of SCs. It's big, there are girls everywhere and you barely hit the door before they are on you like white on rice. There are some very pushy and crafty dancers, the difficulty level is a little high for a newb like me.

@TXbananas believe me, I get it. I once had an ATF that was the closest to a 10 if I ever saw one. She wasn't quite the ROB because she was fair about songs. But she would say stuff like she would do 3 dances as a minimum or just flat out say she would only do $250 30 min VIPs and no dances. I would pay her with a shit-eating grin because she KNEW that I wanted her for being so hot and that she was a guaranteed LDK.

The closer a stripper gets to being an all natural 10, the more PL I become.

BDs sounds wonderful. If there are blonde corn-fed country girls there I would be in heaven.

As soon as she says she's from Cuba, you get up and sit with another girl. Don't deal with them Cubans man, ROB CENTRAL.

^ PL wisdom right there.

What would I have done? I would have had her blow me and then I would fuck her. I do my clubbing in Detroit.

Jack speaks with the wisdom of a seasoned club goer.

TXbananas, what did you agree to beforehand?

When you're engaging in sexual shenanigans with a stranger, you should always negotiate beforehand, especially if more than $100 is going to be involved.

I agree to the $100, assuming I break my rule regarding dancers not fluent in english.

@Liwet we had no understanding or negotiation up front, this was a test drive.

As others have mentioned NEVER reward Rob behavior. Hell the spots on your pants could've been sweat from her grinding on you. But I understand where you were coming from by wanting to be done with it. I wouldn't have tipped her though

Cubans get rewarded from pushy behavior. Do not reward them. I've ignored them after their push for a tip on agreed upon services rendered, but said leave me alone when they demand more.

The best out-cum- is to keep letting her convince you and LDK!

Latinas rule....I could never turn one down....especially a nine

It sucks that you got overcharged by a ROB. She had you going so good - and I understand you not wanting to cum in your shorts.

What many girls do (in my area) - they ask subtly (“want another?”) and that’s the indicator of another dance/song starting. I keep count that way - and I make sure the dancer knows too.

Seems that the Cuban dancers have banging bodies - but they have a bad reputation for being ROB’s.

You never agreed to anything extra if she made you cum, so no need to pay it. I would have paid what I felt I owed without tip because of her attitude. If she had a problem with it, she could get a manager.

I can't believe what some of you guys let dancers get away with. I agree $100 is too much for a HJ but they can ask what they want. But TX then tips her?? WTF.

And Sir Lap...how can you have an ATF who's a ROB??? I kick ROBs to the curb no matter how good looking they are. Have you noticed there are lots of pretty girls in a club who won't cheat you?

One thing I've learned from being here in TUSCL a while: You have to stand up for yourself in a club or you WILL be a victim.

@rockstar666 "Forgive me father for I have sinned," LOL. Did I mention she was an all natural 10 that was fine with LDK? Sometimes the little head takes control. Also I am older and wiser now.

TX,

Report her to the Better Business Bureau!

You have to stand up for yourself in a club or you WILL be a victim.

I agree with this, but there is also the thing about when a bargaining position isn't exactly the best.

Of course, I really do admire the guys who will stand up and say in a loud, firm voice with 15 people nearby "That's not CUM on my shorts, it's PRE-CUM, and I had asked you not to give me a handy in the first place. I said I would tip you for pussy play, and anyway, that was only 5 dances!" (all the while, the 15 people are trying to discreetly glance down and judge for themselves whether they think it's cum or pre-cum and whether he has a legitimate gripe or is just trying to short her on a handy as a manager starts to head over to referee)

ppwh: Great response! That's how to take control.

In my club both the dancer and a bouncer know the number of dances before we start, so if we go long (or short) it's always sorted out easily. I'm surprised other clubs don't adopt that policy.

@ppwh that's what I was thinking, how's that convo with the manager going to go down? "Is that a banana in your pants?"

She did a fantastic job up until she said 7 songs...

@PoolyD in retrospect maybe I should have let her bust my nut. Maybe she was trying to save me the additional $150 I spent after her... maybe.

Perhaps the 2 over-counted dances were her way to make sure she got a tip for going above and beyond, and u compounded the problem by tipping on top of the over-count - but, most of us have been there and have learned our lessons the hardaway

Plenty of PLs have gotten ROBed for hundreds and in some cases thousands so it was not too an expensive a lesson

I'm not hurt. And she specifically asked for the tip after the over count because I had mentioned it earlier...

"... Report her to the Better Business Bureau ..."

LOL - good one!

Papi,

You don't think it would work? I bet they could get a dozen guys and women to investigate the situation!

^ we should call "Help Me Howard" from Channel-7 news and get our $$$ back when we get ROBed

Papi,

Howard would be all over this one, don't you think?

:)

I’d love to see that Help me Howard news segment! I’m wondering if Howard will remember to be professional when the Cuban dancer starts working down on him!

Help Me Howard!

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