Is this industry getting more ratchety?
Mate27
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I can't imagine my standards have been rising over the past 5 years, so it begs the internal question weighing on my mind every time I go into the club. Why are there less attractive strippers working?
It used to be i would have several to choose from, even during the day shift. Now, if there are one or two I find acceptable they are with their whales. Gone are the days you can find an all natural beauty working the floor, with C cup tits and a nice soft/yet firm ass without the cellulitis and stretch marks.
Maybe they are doing low volume sales instead of the high volume dancing it takes to make $$? I'm looking for reasons to spend, and the value seems to be on the decline. Anybody finding the opposite to be true, where the #'s and quality of attractive girls are getting better? If so, tell me where your favorite good looking girls are at. Please??
It used to be i would have several to choose from, even during the day shift. Now, if there are one or two I find acceptable they are with their whales. Gone are the days you can find an all natural beauty working the floor, with C cup tits and a nice soft/yet firm ass without the cellulitis and stretch marks.
Maybe they are doing low volume sales instead of the high volume dancing it takes to make $$? I'm looking for reasons to spend, and the value seems to be on the decline. Anybody finding the opposite to be true, where the #'s and quality of attractive girls are getting better? If so, tell me where your favorite good looking girls are at. Please??
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Many girls only do stripping as a last resort. If they can find a regular job, many of them will take it.
Right now there are a lot of job openings. I think it's effecting the quality you see at many clubs.
Others are left to strip and escort
Even those are leaving clubs to hook online like back page or more safe on sugar daddy sites and normal dating sites
Online life is killing land based clubs
I'm also wondering if it might be our view of beautiful strippers? Tattoos, piercings and brightly colored hair are attractive attributes of a new generation - and those attributes may deviate from our generation's view of beauty (a more classic blonde beauty queen look).
I don't understand the fascination from a PL's point of view in camming (I understand why it's enticing to the girl, she gets to stay at home and get paid.... no extras/contact.....doesn't have to put up with fat, ugly, smelly customers like Juice... etc.) but not sure why guys who enjoy strip clubs would be willing to pay for CAM girls.
^ THIS!!!
Meat, are talking about strip clubs in Phoenix? What do you mean by "ratchety"?
I much would rather have fake blacklights than ones that emit real UV and give you cataracts. Unfortunately, the clubs I go to have the real UV tubes. :(
Non-blacklight LED and/or dim incandescent is the way to go IMO.
Then around October-December there seems to be more and better girls at my club.
Quality of the talent seems to run in cycles.
This means less 'easy' money being spent in SCs.
IMO, this has two effects:
1. A much higher % of a dancer's money comes from her regulars, so there is naturally more emphasis on catering to the regulars.
2. Other jobs that don't require being naked are more financially competitive. Once upon a time my xATF said she wanted to get a different job but she'd make 1/2 or 1/3 of what she was pulling in stripping. Now a days, I don't think (at least where I live), strippers are making 2-3x another job they are qualified for. FWIW, post-recession, I've know several local dancers who had to get '2nd jobs' because stripping wasn't bringing in enough dough.
2a. I would also venture to guess that the 'better' looking dancer have a higher 'self worth' in their minds and need to be getting a serious multiple over another job to consider stripping.
1) easy, instant access. Turn on my computer, there are girls. No driving to a club. This was especially appealing during a time where I was working from home a lot and could take a break during the day when I was home alone.
2) there was still an interactive component to it. I could talk to the girl, she could talk back. I could use my tokens/tips to influence what she did. I especially enjoyed the process of (more likely illusion of) getting the girl to do something she wouldn't normally do (same game I play with strippers). As opposed to porn, I got to direct the action.
I never spent all that much - probably the equivalent of one good SC visit TOTAL over several years - but got some decent entertainment out of it. There were plenty of guys that spent some serious money though. On MFC the best deal you can get is about $0.08 per token, and the models get about $0.05 per token (so 20 tokens means a $1 tip for them, but you spent $1.60 to give it to her).
My favorite cam girl to watch would do a series of "goals" over 2-3 hours to build up to a "cum show" (often involving fuck machines, swings, other interesting stuff) that would add up to 20,000 tokens ($1000). I hardly ever tipped to watch her shows, since there were plenty of other guys dropping 1000, 2000, even 5000 token tips on her at a time. Part of her attraction to me was that she always seemed genuinely surprised and appreciative that guys would tip her that much, even though it happened day after day. She never seemed to develop a sense of entitlement and always worked hard to put on a good show.
For me it means fake tits with a very noticeable incision scar underneath. Also, the fake breasts are odd shaped and wonky.
Their asses are either flat with no shape(think anorexic), or their asses are out of shape on the chubby side. Along with ass, those girls who may have had a decent ass years prior now have a worn
Out ass from kids or simply worn out. I grab her ass and its mushy with very little tone. It can only loook good bent over.
Cellulite and worn out dry skin. In the light of day the complexion of these " ratchety" girls are shocking. Pock marks on their face from side effects of medications/drugs. I've seen girls in their late 20's and early 30's whom I look younger and in better health than they are. I take care of myself so am a little vane in that respect if others fail to do the same, especially when they are that much younger than me.
Finally, just a physically out of shape girl who can barely do any pole tricks with out the weight of her body losing confidence that the pole want snap off. These girls usually just clack their heels together really loudly, so the patrons in the club are all forced to see who is making that noise!!
I'm sure there are a few other details missing describing ratchety, but these are just a few. By the way, I had dances from two extremely hot dancers with tattoos, and they were NOT ratchety!
The girls who have "stealth" orgasms, or cum very quickly, just aren't worth watching (I don't even care for women like this in real life).
The private camming thing can be as easy as using a video chat app on your phone. I did this for the first time with a SB a couple weeks ago while I was on a business trip and I was surprised at how well it worked out.
So, if there was no BF in the picture, would your position on extras change? The last dancer I saw OTC swore she wouldn't be doing OTCs or VIPs if she had a BF, but that would mean the BF would have to be helping fund her life, since she was barely making ends meet with the money she was making doing VIPs and OTCs (although I suspect she reduced the number of shifts she was working).
I don't get extras because I need to have the girl desiring for the physical needs of what I'm about to give her. I've never paid for sex, outside of taking a girl out to dinner and wining and dining her.
You'd probably be a champ at the get-acquainted dates, and since get-acquainted dates are expected in the SB world, you'd get a chance to screen your SDs. The slower pace of arrangement startups would also allow you to request mutual testing if fear of STDs would still be a factor.
The overhead of arrangement startups is a pain in the ass, though. I'm in the process yet again (the situation with my nuclear-powered electro-drama-magnet OTC stripper finally went from "wow, you sort of have your shit together" to "oh no, get me the hell out of here"), and after contacting about 20 possibilities in the 18-35 age range, I've had responses from 6, and the 2 actually interested in meeting are 27 and 30. The under 25s, despite saying "don't waste my time, only contact if you want to meet" in their profiles, are the ones dragging their feet.
Pulling off a risky nil bid because you know you have a partner that understands the risks you're willing to take and how to help cover them, or who remembers the subtle signals to use when they have 3 or 4 high spades, is almost as good as sex.
I don't expect anyone to knock on my door and I do not expect to pick them up at their house.....
A drink or coffee if it is during the day. I'm in no rush when I meet someone. I have as much to lose as they do .
It is only partly due to the economy, there's a reason why its the oldest profession, always in demand. Generally speaking, be it 9-5 or street money, there's less discretionary money floating around than pre-recession. We used to party and each would drop 500-1k and take bitches out OTC after. Younger dudes I find it's more for show, though some do get down with it.
Also just plainly more women in the Biz. It has lost any stigma attached so a lot of girls who wouldn't have before now dance. Even if they have a job, just to make ends meet. I'm not talking theory, I know a lot of strippers, having had 2 GFs in the biz.
But one of the biggest reasons has to be social media. You can IG every single bitch in every club. GF used to show me her DMs, its insane. You don't do extras, good luck.
Also everybody fucks, directly or indirectly. ITC or OTC or Regulars/clients/friends. Girls make the distinction but to anyone else its all the same.
Of course add an economic decline and a higher demand for strippers and you have clubs hiring girls who wouldn't get hired years ago.
Clubs, to cope with rising cost of doing business (rising rent, taxes, utilities, legal) tried unsuccessfully to raise customers but the customers resist paying more per visit. So the clubs, forced to pay higher operating costs, have squeezed the only ones left in the equation they can -- the dancers. So the clubs require higher stage (house) fees, higher VIP/CR fees, tips-outs (to help make staff payrolls).
Plus dancers in the '90s and earlier, many of them where paid an hourly wage, $7-9/hr in at lot of cases and I don't doubt Nina's $17/hr figure either. Plus the dancers kept their tips and most of if not all of the dance prices. So, yes, it is partly because of the economy. You don't see it because as a customer, all of that is invisible to you.
IMO, I agree with CP (in an earlier thread) that higher contact dancers should be tipped accordingly to encourage them to stay in the business.
Why should they get even that much if all they do is look good and flaunt their stuff in a thong?
I don't understand that entitled feeling. Guys should give pretty ladies money just for being pretty? I can go to the beach and see prettier girls showing just as much for free.
Dancing for $150 a shift? Embarrassing. I could be better off being a waitress keeping my top on with that kind of pocket change.
If you get more turned on at a gym where tits and ass are not exposed, then stop going to strip clubs. Keep going to "the gym" with your body-builder muscles and pick a girl up at a gym...
Oh, that hasn't happened yet? No hot girls from the gym wanna suck your dick? Rhetorical question, didn't think so.
Stay on the treadmill fat ass.
And for what I spend in one visit to the SC I can spread for one month of camming. Everyday. Added bonus. at anytime of day there's sure to be a hottie that fits my type as opposed to SC being hit and miss nowadays, and likewise for some can be an extreme bargain.
But then again I'll admit I like the interaction aspect as much as the contact aspect. Something more guys aren't willing to admit.
first. the internet.
girls can easily create interest that can pay well.
a. cam girl opportunities.
b. instagram. twitter. facebook. including backpage. craigslist. ect.
c. porn. (the long lasting baseline.)
second. tattoos. (personally i don't like tats.) i will still interact with such a girl. i will not let tats/piercings get in the way of enjoying an otherwise lovely lady. butt some guys HATE tats and piercings. and WILL NOT interact with girls that have them.
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Well everybody here is on an anonymous forum. With camming it's another level up, being able to see the girl.
Look at the dancers that interact here on TUSCL, Nina, Bj, poledancer etc, all of whom attract massive more attention for being female. With camming I actually get to see them for whatever few dollars it costs.
It's similar to becoming a regular on a forum. The more you use it, the more you get to know the regulars who are on it, and the more you enjoy it. Camming is similar in getting to know the models but also the other regular members too.
On the other hand, there are guys spending $10,000/mo on cam models.
Guys talking here are talking with between men. On cam sites, it's more of an ass-kissing "OH YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WOMAN NAKED IN REAL LIFE ONE DAY, TOO???"
We value the dancers here for their intellect and/or ball-busting, so they don't need to dildo themselves on the internet to be worth talking to.
So you realize we were comparing watching girls? The ones at the gym are way hotter than the ones at the club, mostly because they are the types that get off their ass and actually do something, instead of the ones like you at the club walking around looking for handouts. Nina preys on the weakness of lonely men, and is angry about her lack of people skills. I'm quite sure she will be doing a desk job in another 5-10 years in some cubicle gossiping about her coworkers and banging her boss in an attempt to climb the corporate ladder to a sales administrator.
However, has a divide been widened in the clubs where there are dancers who have a stage presence - and who put effort into their stage sets - and then there are dancers who simply want to get customers into the back room for dances?
In my view Nina is a performer - who has consistent return customers. She's not a high mileage type of girl. She has the looks and charm and she can carry a conversation. She can make more because she understands how to pull everything together.
On the other side - are the girls who don't really even dance. They are looking for men to take to the back room for potential extras. From what I've seen in my area - many of these dancers are coming in from Brazil or some Russian (and former Russian) countries. They do have good looks and hot bodies - but they don't know the language enough to carry on a conversation.
I'd think there's a huge divide in the earning expectations of these two groups of dancers. I'd expect the higher end dancers to have a much better income - and a much more consistent income as well (depending on the economy).
Camming and social media marketing/sponsorships, sure. I do agree that the prevalence of extras in strip clubs has driven some of the more attractive girls towards sugar babying and/or escorting (where the woman has more control over her time, money, and clients), or out of strip clubs altogether. That's at least partially our fault. We spend a lot of time on this board talking about how to get the hottest dancers OTC, and one of the biggest enticements is the dancer making more money. Well, as good as that argument is, it pretty quickly teaches the dancer that perhaps the best money can be made without the hassle of a strip club.
I would also put it out there that this board is populated by an older population of PLs who are less inclined to like women who are tattoed, pierced, etc., which is a more popular and mainstream look now. This works in my favor; I'm a fan of the Suicide Girl look (on the right girl...).
And it would not surprise me that the way strip clubs currently manage and pay dancers is another issue. Though I'm not even remotely knowledgeable enough about that to comment. It's unrealistic, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if a single club in a market like Detroit reverted back to paying dancers $17/hour plus tips, etc. I know that triggers all sorts of wage/benefit policies for employees vs. independent contractors. Setting all that aside, it would be an interesting experiment.
But yeah, I agree overall that talent is trending down.
There will be a new economic equilibrium somewhere. But my area certainly has fewer clubs today than 8 years ago.
And meat72 thanks for being a jealous hater. It reminds of how small your dick is compared to my self esteem.
Meat72 wasn't worth quoting.
Lol...I keep winning! Undefeated in fact, but it's not even a competition with Nina. More like a cat batting around a dead mouse for play, because the cat has that Fancy Feast waiting for its dinner.
1. Hey BJ99, I think you asked me a question and said my comment didn't make sense, a LONG ways back. Sorry I missed your inquiry earlier and now I'm not sure what the potential miscommunication was.
2. Interesting how the stripper-web link of discussion of this same question turned it entirely into an issue, of whether or not the girl puts herself out there. More initiative, the strippers who posted to that thread are saying, is what is necessary, for a girl to get more money. That sub-point has only a barely tangential relation to the question! More ratchet does not mean more, or less, initiative, or more, or less, money. Did they miss the entire point? Wow, what a surprise, strippers can't even talk about strippers rationally. Ok then, back to your regularly scheduled program ...
3. What exactly IS "ratchet" anyway? Here are the two Urban Dictionary definitions which I found most useful:
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(Urban Dictionary definition 1)
A ghetto-dialect mispronunciation of the English term "wretched".
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(Urban Dictionary definition 2)
(sub-section 2) (corruption of "wretched"), derogatory hip-hop slang for an unpopular, obese, average-looking, rude, closet poly, hip-hop person, usually a welfare client with children from multiple parents, substance abuse problems and a narcissistic personality disorder, hence the multiple partners and nightclub brawling. Often wears ill-fitting leggings, torn fishnet hose and a loose, matted hair weave in a bright color. Extra income may come from multiple partners, begging and/or prostitution, due to hir poverty. Term is often hypocritically used by similar speakers. Warning! This term is a racial stereotype, sexist fat and slut-shaming speech and may provoke ethnic violence from target.
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In response to this new information, I started to wonder, did the original inquiry mean to ask simply, "Is this industry getting more wretched?" or, now that I understand the derogatory or racial element, to ask, "Is this industry getting more ghetto-oriented, with more unattractive or overweight dancers who are likely Black, more impoverished and/or welfare clients?"
My answer to either version of the question remains, as when I first posted to this thread, "Prices going up, quality of girls going down. I've heard these same complaints, and made them myself, ever since I started strip-clubbing in about 1991 or so."
That answer doesn't explain why, and I'd love to figure out more of it. Some of this thread has some viable suggestions, I think -- the internet itself, including the internet-call-girl phenomenon proper but also including social media, camming, and the like; also, generational divides, Boomers and Xers and Millennials and the demographic shifts in disposable income. These seem somewhat sensible to me.
One suggestion does NOT seem sensible to me. That's the idea, that the increased expectation of extras-service has somehow driven down the visual appeal of dancers. I don't understand that relation. In the most abstract sense, it could perhaps drive up or down the overall dancer looks quotient, just because of supply and demand, since any human female supposedly would suffice as the supplier of either handjob or blowjob or vaginal coitus; thus, abstractly, supply is in theory increased when the demand changes from interest in a service that includes (a) looking good and turning the guy on, to a service that ONLY includes (b) getting the guy off by means of certain physical ministrations. But we're not talking about the demand changing from (a) to ONLY (b), we're talking about (b) AND (a) developing into the thing which is in demand.
Maybe I'm confused about that suggestion. To take it out of economic terms, because I am dreadfully bad at economics, how about someone explain it to me in these terms: if there really didn't used to be ANY expectation that you could get a handjob or more at a strip club, and now there IS an expectation that this will happen in a strip club, why are the girls now uglier? And as an ancillary inquiry, please also explain this to me: why did it used to be so easy for me to get a cheap handjob in a strip club in the 1990s, whereas now in the 20-teens, it seems like it's really not easy for me to find even a half-decent-looking gal to give me even a lap-dance, much less a handjob, in any strip club, for less than about $200.
The assumptions are all weird in that economic discussion. Members on this board generally agree, strippers are getting less hot, strippers charge more for less services, more services are available, it's harder to get more good services ... we're contradicting ourselves as much as the strippers on stripperweb are! Dangit.
Sorry you're admitting you're a dead mouse and I'm the cat with the fancy feast???
Saddd. Rotten grump. Yeah, that dead mouse being dragged around is certainly a-winnin.'
Another example of a huge ego by Nina-"racially driven comments to me because I'm mixed race". Oh please, you know it's only because your intelligence is lacking, and the only comeback you have is to play the race card. Bookguy brings in "ghetto" to describe ratchety and you get all bent out of shape defending the industry by calling someone racist. More empirical evidence of your huge ego and small intellect. Smh. What a loser!
Oh, and you can't steal my material, because Nina is a dead mouse, and I'm a wise Cat. Meat72 for the win again!!
And if there's something wrong with my ego you're only making it bigger by trolling all recents threads with random Nina attacks. Not healthy. I clearly have gotten under your skin. I'm the cat, every time.
Tell me what's racist about that? Another example of a dumb, dim witted stripper on TUSCL named Nina.
Winning...