Cataloging lap dance performances
ChadT
Maryland
I have yet to find a good discussion anywhere on how to read when a dancer is actually enjoying her dance with you. I have been experimenting recently with different types of pants and cock pulled through the fly of boxers or not as well as wearing rings or not.
I wanted to match my experiences with others so we can accurately guage if dancers show a difference in reaction to each condition.
First off I'll say I'm not super hung . I might be slightly above average at best (7.5 in length at peak and pass the toilet paper roll test so greater than 5.5 in thick)
When I first started this experiment I just wore pants and boxers like normal. These typically ranged from jeans, khakis, or soft dress slacks. Lap dances I received seemed adequate but the khakis and slacks got marginally better griding. Most women did their 2 or 3 songs and hopped off.
Things got more confusing when I began wearing my cock and balls through the fly of my shorts. So I'm still showing up in non creeper pants and underware, but my size is far more obvious and when I'm aroused. Also especially in the softer thinner pants like slacks more individual features of my cock can be seen or felt.
Jeans with this method did not seem to net any difference in a girl's reaction. After 2 or three songs they hopped off.
However with khakis or soft slacks with the cock pulled through the shorts I felt I was getting more similar aggressive behaviors from different dances at different clubs.
The most common behaviors were:
*Crotch grabbing/groping before asking for dance or VIP.
*Micro lap dances (dancer sits on your lap in general area but before asking for a dance she rubs herself and ass on you during conversation)
Behaviors when dances started:
*Very aggressive grinding early into songs.
I explicitly told one girl stop or slow down I was going to pop. She responded by grinding harder and I had to literally lift her off of me to gain control back, or slouch/sink in my seat to put distance between us. Needless to say I gave her what she wanted when she did an extra song. And it was huge.
*More bouncing and exotic positions such as leg lifting, back arching or splits. Just in regular lap dance areas.
*Moaning from the dancers became more frequent.
*in places I could touch the dancers more freely(vip/champagne room), with such things as biting the earlobe or spanking I've seen dancers get goosebumbs, and convulse once or twice followed by a grabbing or groping of crotch.
At particular clubs where it's allowed during stage shows, I've had dancers point to me and coax me into standing stage side so she or her partner can rub themselves on me in front of the audience for more tips.
These are things I had not experienced in my control condition of jeans and cock under shorts. Even with the size I am.
The most obvious difference I've seen across many dancers in lap dances is the addition of the going into "BJ position" and either biting, nuzzling, or rubbing my cock with her tits if she's well endowed in the chest.
I have never tried to whip it out at this point because.
1 its just weird having your dick out among other guys especially if no one else is doing that.
2 I'm not confident I'm reading body language right if she's signaling me to "let her see it" and thus the reason I wanted to compare my observations to others'.
Conclusions:
There's a lot of misleading old posts around the internet on the topic of do dancers enjoy lap dances and when do they become fun or how to make them fun for the dancer. It would seem from my observations that many online claiming to be dancers weighing in on this are probably prudish non dancers.
The women can definitely tell the size of your junk if you wear some reasonable trousers and your cock over your shorts. Cocks to women ARE in fact like round asses and big tits to men. They like them, they like touching them. Their difference in interaction with them contradicts the verbal or written paradigms that women don't "notice " or care if a cock is above average or presented well. I will go as far to even postulate that lesbian women admire a well presented cock of even average to above average the way gay men can and do acknowledge when a woman has a nice pair of tits.
So yes if they can tell dancers will be more aggressive to a larger cock. If you act decently and not just obvious you want to pop on them or in your pants asap, A significant number will actually try to give themselves clitorial stimulation at your extent.
What guys can do:
Be nice.
Treat her like your gf. Touch her how she likes if you can touch.
Don't make it obvious you want to pop in your pants. I think the majority of women working know this is an objective of many guys. Who wants to walk around on edge? Women don't like it when it happens to them so most know its uncomfortable for a guy especially if you're above average.
I've had women look me in the eye smiling while I popped against their inner thigh or ass, and THEN double down on the wet spot at least while it was warm.
The dancers are human . human sexuality is still in play though they are working.
Those dancers that claim lap dancing is an "art" are just being delusional and are having a hard time really coming to terms with their job description. Its SIMULATED SEX not ballet. The penis is a muscle/organ and doesn't know the difference. It just knows friction or no friction so popping will happen eventually especially during an aggressive dance.
Has anyone else seen smiliar differences in behavior between types of pants and particularly if you are above average below the belt?
Let's get to a real biological answer of this age old strip club debate, not some sexually repressed mindfuck answer.
I wanted to match my experiences with others so we can accurately guage if dancers show a difference in reaction to each condition.
First off I'll say I'm not super hung . I might be slightly above average at best (7.5 in length at peak and pass the toilet paper roll test so greater than 5.5 in thick)
When I first started this experiment I just wore pants and boxers like normal. These typically ranged from jeans, khakis, or soft dress slacks. Lap dances I received seemed adequate but the khakis and slacks got marginally better griding. Most women did their 2 or 3 songs and hopped off.
Things got more confusing when I began wearing my cock and balls through the fly of my shorts. So I'm still showing up in non creeper pants and underware, but my size is far more obvious and when I'm aroused. Also especially in the softer thinner pants like slacks more individual features of my cock can be seen or felt.
Jeans with this method did not seem to net any difference in a girl's reaction. After 2 or three songs they hopped off.
However with khakis or soft slacks with the cock pulled through the shorts I felt I was getting more similar aggressive behaviors from different dances at different clubs.
The most common behaviors were:
*Crotch grabbing/groping before asking for dance or VIP.
*Micro lap dances (dancer sits on your lap in general area but before asking for a dance she rubs herself and ass on you during conversation)
Behaviors when dances started:
*Very aggressive grinding early into songs.
I explicitly told one girl stop or slow down I was going to pop. She responded by grinding harder and I had to literally lift her off of me to gain control back, or slouch/sink in my seat to put distance between us. Needless to say I gave her what she wanted when she did an extra song. And it was huge.
*More bouncing and exotic positions such as leg lifting, back arching or splits. Just in regular lap dance areas.
*Moaning from the dancers became more frequent.
*in places I could touch the dancers more freely(vip/champagne room), with such things as biting the earlobe or spanking I've seen dancers get goosebumbs, and convulse once or twice followed by a grabbing or groping of crotch.
At particular clubs where it's allowed during stage shows, I've had dancers point to me and coax me into standing stage side so she or her partner can rub themselves on me in front of the audience for more tips.
These are things I had not experienced in my control condition of jeans and cock under shorts. Even with the size I am.
The most obvious difference I've seen across many dancers in lap dances is the addition of the going into "BJ position" and either biting, nuzzling, or rubbing my cock with her tits if she's well endowed in the chest.
I have never tried to whip it out at this point because.
1 its just weird having your dick out among other guys especially if no one else is doing that.
2 I'm not confident I'm reading body language right if she's signaling me to "let her see it" and thus the reason I wanted to compare my observations to others'.
Conclusions:
There's a lot of misleading old posts around the internet on the topic of do dancers enjoy lap dances and when do they become fun or how to make them fun for the dancer. It would seem from my observations that many online claiming to be dancers weighing in on this are probably prudish non dancers.
The women can definitely tell the size of your junk if you wear some reasonable trousers and your cock over your shorts. Cocks to women ARE in fact like round asses and big tits to men. They like them, they like touching them. Their difference in interaction with them contradicts the verbal or written paradigms that women don't "notice " or care if a cock is above average or presented well. I will go as far to even postulate that lesbian women admire a well presented cock of even average to above average the way gay men can and do acknowledge when a woman has a nice pair of tits.
So yes if they can tell dancers will be more aggressive to a larger cock. If you act decently and not just obvious you want to pop on them or in your pants asap, A significant number will actually try to give themselves clitorial stimulation at your extent.
What guys can do:
Be nice.
Treat her like your gf. Touch her how she likes if you can touch.
Don't make it obvious you want to pop in your pants. I think the majority of women working know this is an objective of many guys. Who wants to walk around on edge? Women don't like it when it happens to them so most know its uncomfortable for a guy especially if you're above average.
I've had women look me in the eye smiling while I popped against their inner thigh or ass, and THEN double down on the wet spot at least while it was warm.
The dancers are human . human sexuality is still in play though they are working.
Those dancers that claim lap dancing is an "art" are just being delusional and are having a hard time really coming to terms with their job description. Its SIMULATED SEX not ballet. The penis is a muscle/organ and doesn't know the difference. It just knows friction or no friction so popping will happen eventually especially during an aggressive dance.
Has anyone else seen smiliar differences in behavior between types of pants and particularly if you are above average below the belt?
Let's get to a real biological answer of this age old strip club debate, not some sexually repressed mindfuck answer.
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My dick also doesn't fit inside a toilet paper roll. Congrats! That's all the further I read on this.
When you do...goodluck! Lol
The reasoning for the double talk and society's role in causing it is for some women's study professor to explain not me.
But I specifically posted it here because I knew I would not get a truthful answer over there. Women can write all they want but instinctive biological reactions can't be ignored, such as goose bumps in an 80F room. That's an obvious sign of arousal.
I'm looking for objective answers was there a difference in reaction? The difference doesn't exactly say that all strippers like lap dancing on a big dick but what it does say is that those over on stripper web are being dishonest when they say they don't notice.
That's the real purpose. A woman can still hate giving you a lap dance if you act rude to her no matter how big or small you are, but to say most don't even notice and many don't enjoy it when they find one is borderline disingenuous.
It would not be different with a female dancer dancing on a well endowed customer. It's biology.
* the dancers that believe they are there to make guys LDK from dances will be very enthusiastic to give you dances
* dancers will be more open to grabbing over the pants
* sometimes they'll comment on the pants, I've had everything from surprise at the softness to compliments at the feel. So far no negative remarks.
That's been my experience anyway. I wear pajama bottoms now. I have not had negative experience with them yet. I'm waiting for someone to either call me out (staff) or a weird reaction from a dancer (aka stripperweb girl) but so far all good.
When I first started going to stripclubs more regularly to observe I was actually told by dancers either in WV or Pittsburgh's club erotica to wear sweatpants instead of jeans. I honestly had not encounterd this "disdain" or "creep factor" for these types of pants until the internet was involved.
I was explained to by dancers that dancers favor sweatpants or other soft material because it will not chafe them like denims.
Buying dances is a chump's game. You don't take a girl into the dance booth to see if she is good. You invite her to the back room after she has demonstrated that she is good via a front room makeout session. And to make this happen you have to treat her like a civilian. Then you invite her to the back room, and then take her home with you to continue too.
SJG
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If a stripper is actively taking it upon herself trying to get me off in the dance area for less money then you're the bigger trick and a chump.
SJG
This is why you're reaching with this fembot claim. Or you can't read well because I'm pretty sure I made it obvious that the study was to measure differences in instinctive reactions by the women.
If anything it is the stripper web post that suggests the majority of dancers are fembots that only operate off of money. Which is not true.
Your lack of logic shows you to be a simp and that's why you pay to make out in the front of the house then you pay even more to go to the back. A more functional person would get all that up front. If you have to follow the rules it means she's not feeling you at all. She's not even curious.
Nothing wrong with giving girls money, but its care and concern money, not paying for sex or sex acts.
"measure differences in instinctive reactions by the women. "
Women like guys who are strong and capable, and who will take care of them. But anyone who treats them like a vending machine, is the exact opposite of this.
Hey, if you don't like the girls at strip clubs, please, just stay away from them and spare them of your presence.
SJG
SJG
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"Nothing wrong with giving girls money,"
That's the definition of a chump anyone handing out a resource without any benefit or purpose to one's self is a emotional weakling.
Lol this is why you're trying to bend and stretch my words. I compensate the women for their service. I don't go there looking to give women money just because they are women. You're a sad sack of shit dude.
I see your problem. You do not have a realistic view of human and specifically female nature. You think these strippers are pious damsel in distress down on their luck. Dude when you see these females sitting on their phones in the club who do you think their calling? They are calling and texting the dudes they GIVE all your money to. The dudes that blow their back out after the club. Hell sometimes these guys show up to the club and blow their back out, blow in their face and hair for NOTHING and then YOU make out with them...FOR MONEY.
You're a chump lol.
Giving her money freely will greatly increase the chances that she will like you. Women expect men to be like that, even if it is often an unrealistic expectation.
And then if, without having a discussion about it, you can get her into a front room make out session, then obviously she is inclined to like you. Proceed from there. Odds are you can be waking up in the morning with her and seeing her regularly.
If you just mean, how much does she like you just when you walk by, well a strip club is not a good place to conduct such experiments.
No Chad, you are the CHUMP, you take these girls and their on the job scripts at face value. Under the surface they are still very ordinary girls. If you could see this, you dealings with them might go better.
SJG
This is where the disingenuous of stripper web comes in. It's a bunch of women and club owners to whom you are faceless nobody. OF FUCKING COURSE they are going to say "ya we hate dick we'll never do stuff for free." Because if they told the truth to look for the dancer that's into you most or keeps looking at you , not the hottest girl to everyone, clubs would never sell a VIP booth again...except to dudes like you that enjoy sucking cock by proxy.
Why buy the cow when you can get the milk free?
Figuring out just how much money is enough in a strip club is meaningless. Instead of worrying about that, just select a girl you like and make it happen with her, and being generous is something that women appreciate, as it shows character.
SJG
Second, even if i were trying to pick them up doing so In a regular environment will cost you way more than the 20 lap dance which is basically the ice breaker.
Approaching a stripper outside of work is more dumb than asking one to at least be a fwb while she's on the clock. Outside of the club you have zero clue about what she does , her morality tolerance. Outside of the club she can pose as mother Teresa leaving you open to all kinds of shit tests and time wastes . however in the club setting you know know she's somewhat of a perv and she definitely knows you're one so now you're on even ground and she will throw less shit tests because you can just stop paying her.
But I digress. No body was really talking about picking them up except you. This was specifically discussion on how to maximize one investment at the club. If there are signs (and there are, people are predictable) that tell you to stop feeding her money then stop feeding her money and get the same result as if you fed her more money.
That's like me walking into a Benz dealership and dropping 200 grand for a car of that value but leaving with a bicycle. You would get laughed at. That's what they think of you when you drop money on the VIP to basically snowball their bf cum with them for 30min
He's a chump. Anybody going to the club giving these females money thinking you are saving them or showing concern doesn't deserve money.
They get aroused like women outside of the club. Many of them watch porn too just like guys.
I cannot offer much insight - I'm uncomfortable with any extras inside the club (ITC). So keep it at arousal level.
I know lots of dancers in texas consider "mission accomplished" if they can get a customer cum by simply grinding over the pants (called LDK here) in 3-5 songs.
I do take select dancers out for fun. Sex is simply great and incomparable to escorts, hookers, civvies, etc (see this also https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=4473… ).
While in the club, if the dancer is doing a great, acrobatic & sensuous performance on your lap - and both you & her are verbally engaged - it is easy, and in fact natural, to discuss fun OTC. Some will say no - and respect that - and some will say yes - and proceed from there. The first OTC will lead to ready availability of dancer friends for more OTC for rest of your life. And you will still be looking for bigger thrills!
After that "underwear over dick or pants under cock or khakis over linen" - will all seem petty.
Chad, the same girls go to the exercise gym, and they wear their sweats to the supermarket, and guys hit on them and ask them out. These guys don't need to be sexually explicit, but the girl can tell that when she accepts, they will end up in bed.
But then the same girls, parading around in little more than high heels and makeup, and Pathetic Looser Creeps only want dry humping to make them cum in their pants. The same girl, but this is all those guys want.
So your experimentation is bogus from the start, as you are treating the girl like a vending machine, and you are showing yourself to have a serious problem, as you aren't actually hitting on her, just trying to purchase service. Pathetic is the best I could possibly say about it.
SJG
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