The school of Rick Dugan

You should change the location to a hotel. Better safe than sorry.

@Jackslash- yeah I thought about that. But I've known her for about a year. She is one of the hottest girls at my club and she has a LOT of regulars. I tried to weigh the risks and the rewards. It wouldn't make sense for her to have me set up. I've been a regular of hers, she always gives me good lapdances. I know you can never really know someone, but it would shock me if she tried something like that.

Just in case I'm only gonna bring $300, no extra money, no cards, no wallet.

Well, I am sure that any school bearing my name did not teach you to do OTC at some stranger's place. I guess you missed the seminar on controlling your OTC location. ;)

But nice on the rest. If I were you, I would just listen to jacklash (and the advice of others here) and spring for a motel room.

Let us know how it goes.

Going to the house of a friend of a stripper to fuck the stripper for money. I don't see how anything could possibly go rong with that plan.

rickdugan is gay!

Lol!

Larry, stop thinking of her like she is some vendor who values long-term business relationships. Seriously, I think that too many dudes here don't ever really understand these girls because they try to project their own values and thinking on strippers. This is a cash and carry business with little long-term loyalty, something which strippers know all too well.

Ask yourself instead what a girl might do if she was desperate for money at this moment and cared much less about anything that might or might not happen tomorrow. Then plan your activities in a way that is much more likely to keep her honest.

Have fun Larry and let us know what happens.

@Rick- she's hot, she's got charisma. She has a lot of regulars. Trust me she could go in to work tonight and make $800 easily. I wouldn't say she's super desperate. Actually I texted her about OTC (I think I said she texted me to make myself feel better lol), and then she told me about rent and her mom in the hospital. Plus I've been a regular of hers for awhile. It would very dumb of her (she's smart) to risk putting herself in jail over something little like this. Plus I feel like I know her a little. All of this is why I agreed to go to her friend's house.

"Her friend's place" sounds at least twice as sketchy as her place. Bonus points if she switches to using her friend's phone to set up the final details.

I'm thinking best case, it will be an actual friend's house and their little dog humps your leg when you walk in, and she tells you don't mind the smell of cat pee in the "guest room" with a Disney theme while her friend talks to the TV in the next room watching a game show.

@larry - Famous last words...

You sure are putting a lot of money in a woman who makes her living separating men from their money in illegal ways. Spring for a extra few bucks for a motel room. Have fun and be safe.

Edit - *trust, not money

Larry, I think you may be kidding yourself. If she could go to work and make $800 instead of having to fuck you and only make $300, she would go to work. So one of the three likely apply: (1) she cannot go to work for some reason; (2) her guaranteed earning level if she does so is less than you believe; or (3) she intends to take your money, but not have sex with you.

I'm guessing that you're getting a lot of that information about her regulars and income from her, which you should take with a healthy dose of salt. And as far as the time you've been seeing her ITC, they all start out as great service providers if we see them for some time, right up until they aren't. Some girls become very different when you end up OTC with them.

As far as that jail comment, are you really going to call the cops if she decides to rip you off? How would that go? "Officer, she agreed to have sex with me for $300, but then she refused to fuck me after I already payed her!"

Now maybe everything will be fine. But getting a hotel room and not paying her until the act is complete are two fairly simple ways to short circuit any issues. The first just takes a small additional investment and the second just takes a little spine (and a willingness to walk if she won't agree).

Anyway, enough from me and I hope you have fun.

Just get an hourly room.

Not bringing a wallet is very inconsiderate because it just makes it difficult to identify the corpse when you're finally located. I will never understand OTC as opposed to hiring an actual hooker, which takes little to no effort.

Has anyone else thought, like usual Fishstix is making up stories once again. Fish, better get back to your algebra homework.

@skibum - in addition to setups that can happen with OTC, there are more risks with prostitutes like LE stings, bait & switch. I tried that whole world before discovering ITC extras and OTC and I'll never go back.

Maybe instead of photo ID, an anklet with OTC at her friend's place dog tags would do the trick. (another way for founder to make money from the site!)

@Rick- I meant jail if her pimp showed up and they robbed me, possibly killing me. Why would she risk all that for one OTC?

Like a21985 says, I don't mess with escorts because I'm afraid of the LE stings. Also just reading the news it seems like escorts as compared to strippers are a lot more likely to rob you.

Larry, you should always have your photoID and medial card on you. You need to be able to ID yourself to LE, the ER, or the morgue. If you don't feel safe, stay home and finish your algebra homework. I don't understand why you aren't controlling the OTC location but whatever.

lol, shailynn.

Larry, every year there's a few stories in the paper about strippers pimps or boyfriends beating up or killing an OTC customer. In a number of cases, there had been previous OTCs with no incidents at all, so there was even a history of safe OTCs. There's all sorts of reasons this happens -- if you can't think of any, that doesn't mean there aren't any, it just means you don't know how to think like a desperate stripper.

Odds-wise, it's still unlikely... but "why would she risk xyz" is very naive. Spend some time doing internet searches on these types of stories.

skibum-->" I will never understand OTC as opposed to hiring an actual hooker, which takes little to no effort."

Skimbum, link which contains the answer, for me personally, below. Short answer is: I find OTC an ***incomparably*** better experience than escorts... to the point that I am completely uninterested in escorts, I have never really enjoyed the experience, and I find OTC the single most exciting experience in the sex industry.

https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=4473…

It's the end of the month and the school cafeteria lady is short on her rent so she wants your lunch money See Larry we can read between the lines. )

larryfisherman, the "meet at her friend's place" plan seems seriously non-brilliant. I would listen to jackslash and rickdugan.

I don't know where you are located, but I suspect you can get an acceptable hotel room for $100 or less wherever you are.

Just spend the extra money and avoid an encounter that goes somewhere between the way ppwh describes (at best) and with her pimp beating you senseless and taking your money (at worst). I don't see an aces outcome in your future. :(

Larry, most ripoffs are far less dramatic than that. The much more likely scenario is that she gets you to pay upfront and then makes some excuse and takes off. Or her "boyfriend" suddenly shows up outraged at what is happening. Or she goes to another room and an unknown male shows up and tells you to leave. Or you manage to hold out on paying upfront (unlikely given your personality type) and the male pressures you to pay for her time minus the sex. Or...

Get the picture? Then you're stuck with your dick in your hands with no real recourse since there's no way in hell you're calling the cops unless you are supremely stupid.

But I guess some lessons just need to be learned the hard way. Maybe this will work out fine, but why put yourself in that position? If she really needs the money and her sex offer is legit, she will agree to go to a hotel room of your choosing.

"... but it would shock me if she tried something like that."

Yeah... I think that's the point behind robbery. The predictable robberies are rarely profitable.

"Trust me she could go in to work tonight and make $800 easily."

Then why is she letting you fuck her rather than working a shift? The math doesn't add up. I don't know. I think there's a chance you're making this up. Then again, I've known other people with a dire lack of common sense. So, it could be legit. The reality is that even if this comes off without a hitch, it's still an amateur hour move.

This stuff comes with a certain amount of risk that's built in and beyond our control. Choosing to take on additional risk that could easily be avoided seems a bit dim.

@ishmael- it's called fucking her before she goes to work :) You ever done that? I just think she's looking for extra money because of rent being due and hospital bills. I think she's comfortable enough with me to do OTC (although this is the first time OTC).

Yeah I'm definitely going forward with this at her friend's house. I'm comfortable with her. If I die at least I'll go out like a fisherman!! Lol whatever that means.

During OTC do you guys pay beforehand or afterwards?

I want to make sure I get completely what I paid for. At the same time I'm sure strippers are weary of customers fucking them and then not paying and just leaving. There's a little bit of a fine balance. I don't want to ruin the mood haggling over to pay upfront or afterwards.

Yes, I have. But I've never used a stripper's perceived earning potential to convince myself that said stripper won't do something massively deceitful or reckless at my expense.

It's still an amateur hour move, which you may get away with... until you don't.

I call BS. Now way a girl makes $800 a night and gets talked down to $300 for OTC. I agree with RDB she's probably not going to go through with it.

No way you read and studied the System. Never pay before hand. Meet at a location you control. This girl is no 9 or 8, guessing she might be a 5 or 6 letting herself get talked down in price like that.

Also fishstick claims to be in LA. $300 ain't paying nobody's rent there not even a section 8 how.

GACA --> "Also fishstick claims to be in LA. ...even a section 8 hoe."

Right. Just let him wander around Section 8 at night, Age 18-27, with no ID on him. It makes him look like he has outstanding warrants or something. It should make for interesting LAPD body cam or dash cam footage.

Where can I find Rick Dugans system to read?

GACA did you skip my post and just read the comments? Lol. She is looking for extra money. 300 won't pay anyone's rent anywhere in America. 300 is extra money. Also if you would have read my post I said she has a lot of regulars. However if her regulars don't show up, she doesn't really bother mingling with new people. She can make $800 consistently if her regulars show up. Beauty in the eye of the beholder. She's a 9 to me, and that's all that matters if *I'm* paying. I just mentioned this so you know why if you don't hear from me after Friday. Tell my mother I said goodbye :)

I've read on here that you guys don't do OTC at her house or your house unless you have a certain comfort level with her. I can tell you I have a complete comfort level with her. Is the caution because it's at her friend's house? Her place isn't available because she has roommates.

^ mark

DrunkPraetorian,

"Maximizing OTC Options When Traveling"
+ https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=912 (link: ?page=post&id=912 by rickdugan, December 2009)"

The Appendix, to The System.
+ https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=3917… (link: ?page=post&id=39178#comment460961, by rickdugan, December 2015)

And also:
+ https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=2804… (link: page=post&id=28041 "MY System; "The System" by rickyboydugan, March 2014)

And for comedy relief, see the following!
+ https://www.tuscl.net/?page=contris&id=3… (link: ?page=contris&id=389804&m=discussions)

DrunkPraetorian, in case it's not obvious, click on the "www.tuscl.net" links above. It will take you to the info you asked.

He may be more of a fish than a fisherman. ;)

9 years of dating the same woman instead of honing social skills and cues in his teens and 20s will do that to a guy.

" If you don't hear from me again after Friday you'll know why."

If we don't hear from you for a month, first round is on me!!!

I didn't read this whole thread, but the fact she's not dancing concerns me...no active dancer will rob you at OTC unless she's quitting her job. That being said, I'd probably go to her house.

rockstar666, you're applying rational thought where there is none.

Again, I read your first words and I know what is wrong. Girls accustomed to OTC will agree straight off. With girls not accustomed to that the worst thing you could ever do is treat them like they do OTC for money.

Treat all women like civilians. Rick's System is based on the simple idea of setting up OTC on your first night in town. Not that difficult. At the right time of night, girls start soliciting for it quite aggressively.

SJG

Diana Krall - The Look Of Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQuDaIbp…

White House performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TACjujXg…

How life should be:
http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/sk…

LOU REED "Egg Cream"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRtSmzk…

R.E.M. - What's The Frequency, Kenneth?
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Orange Crush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mSmOcmk…

@Rockstar she's still actively dancing. She hasn't been in the club a little over a week though.

In other words, she is back in the DR, but her former pimp is taking care of her remaining obligations and will wire transfer her cut.

"A friend's house" is a little sketchy, even for me. This is where Google Maps is your friend, make sure you check out the area online and even drive by early to get a look at the neighborhood and then get dinner before going to your appointment.

If she opens the door and the lights are low/off. I'd ask to use the bathroom first, giving you an opportunity to check out more of the house and make sure no one is waiting at least in that room. I still find it highly unlikely anything violent will happen, but at least some circumspection is required here. And always, always, always pay after you've had your fun.

CP

Just bring your piece aka gun and you'll be straight. Keep it concealed under your shirt.

Never go to an unknown place without your piece bro.

Never pay in advance. This is the best lesson I learned on TUSCL. If you pay her in advance, she no longer has an incentive to perform well for you.

Thanks Jack and CP, at her club you pay upfront, but I'll just let her know I'll pay afterwards, if she objects, then I'll leave. Maybe I can show her the money to ease her fear of me not paying afterwards?

All right y'all I'll be there in about a hour. If this is the last time you hear from me, it was good while it lasted!

Make your prediction on what's gonna happen. If I make it out alive I'll report back in a few hours.

Good luck I think it will turn out fine

I predict she is going to help you with your algebra homework.

I am mainly interested in whether you let her friend's little dog finish on your leg and which game show her friend was talking to while you tried to ignore the aroma of cat pee.

Everything went according to plan, no issues. I jacked off a couple hours before meeting up with her, so it wasn't easy for me to cum, but she put in that extra effort and eventually got the job done. Her friend's place was pretty nice.

Like I said earlier I'm comfortable with her, I wasn't worried about anything. My worry on this thread was obviously in jest.