Pre or post VIP, payment ?
Papi_Chulo
Miami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
This would not apply to a dancer you know; e.g. a fave you've been w/ b/f.
But, when you meet a dancer new to you and you negotiate for extras; do you usually pay upfront or do you emphasize paying at the end.
Most PLs have probably gotten burned at least once pre-paying for VIP w/ an unknown commodity and since I do not cultivate faves thus in the occasions I do extras it's usually (but not always) w/ a dancer that is new to me - thus I pretty-much usually adhere to the "I'll pay you at the end" model - every now and then I may give in b/c a dancer will not budge and I sorta get the feeling that her issue is fear of being ripped-off/not-paid; but I'll usually stick w/ the "I'll pay you at the end" M.O.
Do you have a M.O. you stick w/ when getting extras w/ unknown dancers or do you just you go w/ the "feel it method"? After all extras are usually a couple of hundred bucks and it's not like being ripped off of one-dance.
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That's an excellent point - and my response is a hearty "fuck you jackie"
LOL - I understand your approach - but I don't like that approach personally b/c I assume the upfront partial-payment needs to be big-enough to put her at ease and thus is also big-enough for her to just decide to ROB what she can if she indeed is out to ROB me.
I do 2 things at times to try and ease their mind:
1) show them I have the $$$ so they know it's not as if I'm broke trying to get extras for free (but I'm also cognizant that she knows I have the $$$ and saw where I put it after I showed it to her - cognizant b/c it's not rare for a PL to get pick-pocketed by a ROB when he's distracted in VIP and/or w/ his pants around his ankles to where she has easy access to it and the PL's $$$ is not in his view since he may have it in the pant's pocket which may be around his ankles)
2) some girls have asked me to place it on the side (table or floor) until we are done - I have not done this too often but some have asked to go this way and I have obliged and it's worked out well
And actually there's been a 3rd less common method where 1/3 to 1/2 thru the extras she'll ask me to put some $$$ down and I have and also worked out ok.
But still I mainly stick to the post-VIP remuneration. .
The PL next to struck-up a convo w/ me - he was Anglo (late-40s) but loved Latin women and thus liked to hit this club.
Anyway he was hot for a nice-looking Cuban dancer in particular but like many of the Cuban dancers she was not keen on BBBJ which is what he wanted.
He was eyeing her and she came-over and he told her what he wanted (BBBJ) and she said no - the club was slow and about tan hour later she came by again and told him "ok (BBBJ) for $200" - he agreed - they go back to VIP - she tells him to sit-down and pull his pants down - then asks him for the $200 - he gives it to her and she bolts out of the room while he sits there w/ his pants around his ankles - f'ing sad.
(this had happened to him on a prior visit and he was just recounting the story to me)
If a dancer asked for it before hand, I'd walk away.
You would actually be surprised how little I have been ROB in my career in paying up front
I've also found that a high percentage of dancers who walk away from me over up-front payment will come back after a while and agree to post-dance payment.
I also rarely negotiate up front either though, neither the activities nor the payment time. I've never had a significant issue with the activities, and only once had an issue with time. One girl wanted payment up front and I didn't trust her, so I backed out. After a brief discussion with the mgr, I was refunded the room fee. Usually if I'm going to do a room with a girl, we've done a few dances or at least had enough of a conversation where we're both fairly comfortable with what we're getting into.
Now for TJ, don't know. And for Toda La Noche?
I still think it better to establish trust and rapport with the girl by pre-paying. But not decided yet what I will do in places like TJ.
SJG