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Without getting too political what are you seeing out there right now?
I can't remember Americans being so pissed off about their candidate choices more than this election.
Prior to the demise of Bernie Sanders, he was the one I saw people supporting the most. With him out of the way, I see a slight edge of more people supporting Trump over Hillary. Most of the Hillary supporters I run in to are women, rarely meet a man, but I've met a few.
Just to note I am talking about people in the mid-Atlantic region and the Midwest.
What do you see in your area?
I can't remember Americans being so pissed off about their candidate choices more than this election.
Prior to the demise of Bernie Sanders, he was the one I saw people supporting the most. With him out of the way, I see a slight edge of more people supporting Trump over Hillary. Most of the Hillary supporters I run in to are women, rarely meet a man, but I've met a few.
Just to note I am talking about people in the mid-Atlantic region and the Midwest.
What do you see in your area?
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Most of my stripper friends are trump supporters. I don't believe many of them will actually vote. I am sure even fewer have actually taken the time to study any candidate.
At first I thought it was them telling me what they thought I wanted to hear but now I think it is more that he is a rich celebrity with a beautiful wife.
As for the many many Bernie supporting people I know (which I am included in), they are not really making any moves or getting behind any candidate just yet. Kinda just crossing their fingers for a progressive running mate for Hillary, or jumping over to Jill Stein or Gary Johnson.
Talk about an awful election year...
But I just can't bring myself to vote for her unless she blows me away with her veep pick. I have zero trust in her and she scares me. She wouldn't he as good as Obama like you say, and I'm not an Obama fan. I'd rather vote 3rd party and have the herd protect the country from Trump than cast a vote for her. This seems to be a common sentiment from the vocal Bernie fans.
The Latinos in particular seem fired up to stop Trump.
I'm getting drunk then voting. We will see what happens
Lol
No one will admit being for Trump so I can't understand how he won the nomination. They all hate Hillary too but say they are voting for her by default.
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If anyone's paying attention, Trump went on record at the end of May stating that federal judge Gonzalo Curiel could not preside over the Trump University lawsuit because of his Mexican heritage. Curiel was born in Indiana. That got immediate condemnation of racism from people in his own party -- like Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney. Ryan called Trump a "textbook racist." Trump started falling in the polls immediately afterword and his bullshit comments after Orlando made things worse for him.
Things are so bad for Trump that he fired his campaign manager Lewandawski a few days ago out of desperation.
Trump sounds like an incoherent teenage when he's not reading from a teleprompter. There will be pressure on him to stick to rehearsed speeches -- but I predict an easy win for Hillary. Wouldn't be at all surprised if the Dems take back the Senate, too.
That's what I think of when it comes to Trump. Sure, he had to cause some controversy to get the nomination, fine. Now you're there, all everyone says is how much they loath Hillary, Bernie's out of the way, gee Trump keep your fucking mouth shut and you probably have a pretty damn good chance at the White House. But he can't... His ego keeps getting in the way.
I some times think he doesn't want to win. He has figured out a way to milk this for as much money as he can and winning doesn't lead to that. Kind of like his bankruptcies. he could have run the businesses differently and made a profit but he made more with less effort by going bankrupt. He could run a winning campaign but he'll make more with less effort by running a losing campaign.
I would have voted for Bernie. I don't like Hillary or Trump, but if you put a gun to my head I would vote Hillary, just because of the unknown with Trump.
Is it overly paranoid to sometimes think that the political parties are secretly allied together, with a common endgame, and falsely creating competition to set us at each others throats and distract us from seeing what they are actually orchestrating?
Wealth > 10 million!!!!!!!
Seems that way.
Overall, I think I agree with you. I should have wrote $10 million.
Hillary is seen as the "electable" candidate and the democratic candidate with foreign relations experience. She is also seen as the candidate with ideals that could get reasonably passed through Congress. Whereas Bernie was too pie-in-the-sky and his ideas not seen as practically achievable through Congress. Many former republicans also voted in the democratic primary instead as they saw the Trump vs Kasich choices to be bland or did not matter, and these former GOP supporters had more of an interest is seeing Hilary or Bernie get the nomination. Most democratic supporters would prefer it if President Obama could serve a 3rd term or would rather re-elect Bill Clinton.
Trump is seen as the anti-establishment candidate, especially among those with no college backgrounds. He has supporters who actually BELIEVE that Trump will (1) renegotiate the "China Trade Deal" and bring jobs back to the U.S., particularly manufacturing jobs. (yeah right). And (2) he'll stop the good-for-nothing immigrants from taking American jobs from Americans (almost like a "grandfather clause" in that ,if you r grandfather was American, then you are ENTITLED to upper-middle-class lifestyle, if not, your ass should be deported. Yes, these people exist. They drive cars with Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes comics) either depicted as peeing on a Ford logo or peeing on Obama's name (One Big Ass Mistake America) on their Monto Carlos, Grand Prix, or their S-10 or Silverado pickup trucks. There were a number of Kasich or Cruz supporters. Both feel unsure who to vote for. Cruz supporters will vote party line but the Kasich supporters are unsure.
If you put a gun to most Northeast Ohioan's heads, many will compromise and vote for Hillary. But for the most part, people are going to vote along party lines. Or you vote with who will protect what you have. For example, many SAHMs, are pro-Trump, even though he makes derogatory remarks against women. Why? Because these SAHMs feel Trump will protect what they have (their husband has a good job, and they have a good lifestyle). I know some SAHWs or SAHMs who are like that, even though they are socially liberal.
If you're strongly 2nd Amendment rights, strongly anti-abortion, strongly anti-LBGT (especially anti-transgender), strongly Christian church-going , or if you are a business owner or have wealth, you vote republican.
If you are strongly pro-choice on abortion rights, strongly pro LBGT (especially pro-transgender), a minority, a single woman, or a blue collar or non-management white collar, you vote democrat.
If you're a hippie in college, you vote Libertarian or Green or something. :D
.. but like you wrote, $1 million *is* achievable for many people. Just get a degree in a technical field that's in demand, get a low 6-figure professional job, live a frugal lifestyle (like on $25K/yr or less), save and invest the difference, retire at 35. Isn't that how Mr. Money Mustache did it?
I hope that we never do this to ourselves again.
Hillary for President, Warren for Vice President.
I'm coming at this thing from a Psychological survey
And mikeya02 is 100% right. Just think of your vote for Trump as a vote against Hillary. That's what I'll be doing.
On the Democratic side, Sanders supporters are planning to impact on the party platform in a way which could counter Hillary's bellicose manner and place far more emphasis on income inequality and campaign finance.
I'm in the bluest of the blue states, Taxachusetts, where Republicans are as rare intelligent strippers, however one of them is Governor of the Commonwealth, but is very much a centrist (fiscal conservative & social liberal). I think there's lots more to hear from the "centrist" republicans before crowning Drumph.
Whether the Demoncrats can win back the Senate may be the most important question in that the composition of the SCOTUS will be set by the Senate and that has great implications for the progressive agenda.
For the record I'm a male, Asian (Vietnamese) mix with black.100%American.
LOL
http://tinyurl.com/j3c98gw
Trump-inspired Tennessee candidate for Congress erects “Make America White Again” billboard, draws boycott
I agree it will be a disaster and doubtless many will deserve what we end up with but I don't count myself among them. I never did and still don't want either candidate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L5hn5B8…
Hey Vince , you impotence SOB, you better frame that picture of W.Bush and Dick Cheney. Because you will never see a ticket with a white male President and Vice President get elected in this country again.
Even, Ted Cruz got the memo with his V.P. pick
Hell they are the establishment.
Both men are playing games on the uninformed.
1. This absurdity from Throwbackthursday: "Anyone that will vote for a white man, to be President of the United States of America is crazy." tells me that he has no credibility whatsoever. What an imbecilic thing to say! Clearly racism isn't just a white phenomenon.
2. How do I know that vincemichael's statement "A disaster will occur on Election Day and we'll get what we unfortunately deserve." is true? Because we're going to elect either Trump or Clinton!
3. I'm inclined to disagree with Dominic77's claim "Cruz supporters will vote party line". I know that *very* many Republican conservatives (like me) will vote for the Libertarian candidate (former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson) or for no one before they vote for either Crooked Clinton or Daffy Donald.
#NeverTrump
#NeverClinton
(Yeah, I know -- one of them is going to win. But I won't be complicit in it!)
Your entitlement attitude also make you an idiotic.
just remember that @mikey is not the conservative white male he portreys himself as. he is actually a hipster with dreadlocks and a soul patch that wears hemp cloths and plays hacky sacky 24/7 except for the time he takes off to cash his welfare checks.
he also avoids showering for months at a time so he has a powerful aroma. my private eyes have identified him and we will soon be getting him the psychiatric help he so desperately needs
Oh, no, I don't think we disagree completely. There might be some parallels and there might be some convergences between us. I was only giving my perspective on the Cruz supporters I know in NorthEast Ohio. These are likely not the same type of people who are Mr. Cruz supporters where you are. Mr. Cruz supporters I've talked to are strongly anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-transgender (social conservatives). These Cruz supporters aren't following Ted because he's a rookie senator or because he's an outsider, or whatever attribute(s) the supporters we've spoken to like about Ted.
MrDeuce, I agree with you about supporting Libertarian candidates. I, myself, believe along those lines of libertarianism (or at least how I view Libertarianists) -- fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I'd vote Libertarian myself if I thought the candidate could garner more than 1-5% of the popular vote in a general election!
Okay, I'll bite. Yes, twice. To tell you the truth I was somewhat hoping to see a hispanic woman run this cycle. Sadly one did not seem to appear (that I saw).
(1) vote female, and minority, or under-represented European ethnicity, when I can.
(2) vote for the challenger, unless I'm really happy with the current guy -- aka "throw the bums out." I like one-term politicians and dispise career policitians for state and local govts.
(3) if they're asking to amendment a law, and I don't completely understand it, I assume they asking something they can't already do, and probably shouldn't be doing. So I vote no (less govt power).
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Just to get a glimpse into the mind of a Libertarian:
(1) Free-market capitalism allowed investment banks to cause huge misery and wipe out $15 Trillion in wealth during the Great Recession of 2008. Is government intervention every allowed to a Libertarian? Is the government allowed to regulate the banks?
(2) Brilliant federal reserve policy is really the only thing that saved us from catastrophe after 2008. It was the brilliant intervention of Bernanke (who happened to be a Republican) who saved us. Is the government allowed to intervene in such catastrophes? I thought Libertarians want to dismantle the Federal Reserve?
(3) If your house is burning down, is it okay to call the fire department. Or should you put the fire out yourself?
1)well intentioned but poorly conceived liberal equal opportunity housing legislation signed by Jimmy Carter went ignored and unenforced during the 80s and 90s, since Reagan knew it would be disastrous to the economy he was rebuilding. Clinton and his dem congress signed legislation in the 90s that gave the Carter law new teeth. The only way the banks could support so many loans to such unqualified homebuyers was through ARMs and layered subsidies. Greed came in to play and added fuel to the fire, but the fire was set by Clinton, Carter, and democrat run Congress.
2) regardless of what Bernanke did, this collapse was only postponed. Yellen's and Obama's policy of quantitative easing will make a bad problem 100x worse when the check comes due. Tying the dollar to a construction like the stock market is what has made it so vulnerable. There is some merit to going back on the Gold Standard, but only if it were modified to be measured by GDP.
3) what the fuck has that got to do with the price of tea in China?
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Nobody who's spent more than 15 min studying the issue believes that lending to poor people caused the housing crash (okay, maybe fake economists like Larry Kudlow who has Trump's ear). Looking at the facts, this is a non-partisan issue. If there's any clear blame, it would probably be Glass-Stegall and the deregulation of the banks that occurred under Bill Clinton. Okay? So we can blame the Democrats. Blaming government lending to poor people is right-wing myth.
LOL! Blaming Yellen and Obama for Q.E. started by Bernanke is almost bizarre!
I agree with you on one thing: Q.E. might have just postponed an inevitable collapse.
The point is that lack of government oversight caused the crash in the first place and brilliant intervention by Bernanke saved us (or at least postponed a catastrophe). I just wonder how Libertarians deal these issues.
Disagree on Bernanke: He would not have advocated QE as long-term fiscal policy going on for a fucking decade. It was supposed to be one time fix until a long term solution could be made.
And yes, the government forcing the banks to make loans to people who could not pay back those loans was the root cause - ROOT CAUSE- of the housing collapse and Obama Recession.
Honestly commend you on caring about the topic at all. The financial collapse was the single biggest event since the Great Depression and I think we should all try our best to understand what happened as citizens so that it doesn't happen again.
Just quickly -- the worst crisis in the housing bubble occurred in high-income parts of California (where I used to live) and Florida -- not in the inner cities. So that doesn't support your idea that lending to low-income families was "the root cause." Also the collapse was international and could not possibly have had anything to do with government policy here. Most of the private lenders that made sub-prime loans weren't even under the umbrella of the Carter-era rules you were talking about. Just, sincerely, keep your mind open.
Obama inherited an economy in free-fall; he didn't cause it.
Anyways, fail to learn from the mistakes of the past and doomed to repeat them and all that. I have a 15-yr fixed now. But American voters are searching for another outsider with bold ideas just like 2008. And behold, we have an unexpected rookie vs. the consummate career insider, just like 2008 (the parties are just reversed). Republicans are complaining about holding their noses while voting, just like 2008. Mistakes of the past...
For some of the people around me, especially in the farming communities, Gary Johnson is probably a non-starter since libertarians are historically not "pro religious freedoms." But near the city where I live I hear more about Gary Johnson. Is this guy backable as President? Do you feel he is pro small business? Any feedback?
Admittedly I have to read alot about him online, which is good and bad. I still need to sort of what's try and what's embellished.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.…
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