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Racism Sucks

Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:58 AM
I meet people and get to talking about all sorts of topics. Then conversations get interesting and people talk about all kinds of deviated immoral and illegal things they do. People usually see me as white, so when I mention that I like black girls, they freak out on me like I am some sort of terrible person. I am really amazed at how many people will straight up say they are racist.

107 comments

  • NinaBambina
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    8 years ago
    Racism does suck. I can definitely relate to your experiences, but tuscl is not the right place for this kind of discussion to remain civil and constructive.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    I don't necessarily think they "freak out" b/c they're racist, perhaps more out of surprise since the norm is most folks tend to stick w/ their ethnic counterpart. Most Cuban guys I know stick to Cuban girls, if I met a Cuban guy that was just into Anglo girls I'd be surprised but not b/c I'm racist against white-girls, just not what I'm used to seeing w/ Cuban guys.
  • Imamutt
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    8 years ago
    Nina, you are right. I could have broached the topic more delicately, but this is the right place for this kind of topic since people have preferences and reasons to those preferences, and sharing ideas and learning and growing can be constructive
  • jester214
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    8 years ago
    Papi I think a lot of people would argue that thought process IS racism. That said I think everyone has those kind of thoughts at some point. If you say otherwise you're a liar. I also don't think that's such a terrible thing, though probably something we should all work on. The real problem is when we act on those thoughts or let them influence decisions.
  • RandomMember
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    8 years ago
    Partial thread hijack: Racism is on everyone's mind these days. We've got the House Speaker calling the his own party's presidential candidate a "textbook definition of racism." Mitt Romney's take is "Trickle-down racism." What a mess this election has become. It's more about tribalism (voting for someone that looks like you) than about issues or an agenda. I'm white, BTW.
  • Cashman1234
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    8 years ago
    I agree racism sucks. I think this is a particularly interesting forum for a discussion regarding racism. With respect to the reaction - from others - when expressing a dancer preference - it might be more surprise over your preference. However, since the reaction is based on the race of the dancer - it would be a racist reaction. The reaction is one thing - but it's really how your friends treat you after - that is most important. If they act differently towards you after that - then they have a real problem. If it was just a surprised reaction - and it's a one time thing - I'd be inclined to let it go.
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    Racism is a terrible thing Pride in your race is not I'm a white dude and yes I tend to stick to my race but if I find a bad bitch that turns me on I don't care what color she is it's on like donkey Kong I've had sex with Asians, Euro's, African and Latin's
  • JamesSD
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    8 years ago
    I've found Mexican girls will pretty casually discuss race. I mean, if you're talking to a white girl and say you prefer black girls, she's not exactly going to be excited you're not interested in her.
  • shailynn
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    8 years ago
    Juice, just because you fuck an Asian doesn't mean you are also not a racist.
  • rh48hr
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    8 years ago
    The problem is every race has bad people. If your first interactions with that race are bad it seems to skew a person's view of that race. My ex-wife's mother and grandmother had preconceived notions of black people and her mother didn't want her to date me. Once they got to know me, her mother was was cool towards me and her grandmother loved me. She loved me so much she didn't talk to my ex for 2-3 years after she divorced me because she thought it was a stupid decision. I on the other hand still visited her regularly after the divorce. If people keep an open mind and get to know the content of a person's character instead of judging them by the actions of others with the same skin color, the world will become a better place.
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    Lol Shaylyn true Civil war times in the South slave owners would fuck the sexy bitches they paid for
  • gawker
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    8 years ago
    I'm as white as can be and had one black friend growing up in the 50's and 60's. Interracial dating was unthought of and even in the "liberal" 60's interracial couples raised eyebrows and derision. In the 1990's I connected with a very black escort in Atlanta ( a dancer from The Gold Club). Our sex & relationship blossomed and I learned the futility & stupidity of my own racism. Probably not all gone but what remains is subconscious and unwanted.
  • RandomMember
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    8 years ago
    --If you have a preference for an ethnicity in your love interest, I don't think of that as racism. --If you decide that someone can't do their job because of their ethnicity, that's textbook racism.
  • sharkhunter
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    8 years ago
    I believe where part of racism comes from at least from my perspective is that people are fearful of change and don't want change especially if it affects property value or what they have to deal with. In my example some renters of a different race are renting some small townhouses in a tiny neighborhood with a narrow street. The renters have too many kids for the tiny place in many people's opinions. Their kids are out playing in the one street everyone drives on. They sometimes I heard play music with loud parties. That may be a lie or a two time occurrence. Anyway the homeowners met and claiming property would be hard to sell if more than 50% of homes were rented, they amended the rules so that no more homes could be rented. Not necessarily racism but I was sitting in for someone and saw all the homeowners were one race and what I heard about the renters and the neighborhood going downhill was stereotypical for another race. I noticed the issue never came up until kids were constantly throwing stuff in the street where everyone parks their cars. Some people get upset if a football or whatever hits their car. I understand that. I don't want my car hit either. Now racism would be overhearing another neighbor saying we don't want certain types of people living here on this street. I think some people think racism is just the slightest thing that offends them. They would probably call me racist if I said I'm not sexually attracted to most black girls. However I do not view that as being racist as long as I'm not denying them equal opportunities in any public business. I do not see it as being racist if a black guy or Asian guy says he prefers black girls or Asian girls respectively. People do not control their biology urges on who they are attracted to.
  • twentyfive
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    8 years ago
    ^^^Actually if you have a preference for an ethnicity as a part of your sexual interest it could be called fetishism, but it could still be racism depending on how its displayed.
  • sharkhunter
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    8 years ago
    Ps, I do believe I have some racist neighbors but I usually never hear anything. I like not having to talk much with the neighbors. Neighbors that don't bother you are the best neighbors in my opinion. If they don't bother you, and might even help you, those are the best regardless of race. I'm sure some black dancers suspect almost any white guy might be racist so I heard some black dancers don't approach everyone unless you tipped them first. Who knows my tastes might be changing. One black girl in a local club I thought her ass and legs were looking pretty good recently. I don't have friends I take to strip clubs to contend with.
  • sharkhunter
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    8 years ago
    I'm not attracted very much to some white girls either so it may be certain looks. Needs to be young enough, fit but looking good. Not too pale but not too dark. I seem to prefer blondes and I'm wondering if that's because all my sisters were brunette.
  • flagooner
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    8 years ago
    Eskimos are hot.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    See - this is the kinda shit that often times *IME* is mostly black people doing - at least down here in Miami 9 times out of 10; and actually 10 times out of 10; whenever you see shit like what I'm posting below; at *least* down here in Miami 9 times out of 10 it's black people. Now - this does not validate the argument that just b/c some black people act like this that then *all* black people act like this or are expected to act like this - but when time after time one sees black people acting like animals; it tends to taint the view of flawed humans. Below is a recent story in the local Miami news: "... Recently released surveillance video caught the moment five women ambushed the employee at a Victoria’s Secret, located at 6800 Main St., in an attempt to rob the business, Tuesday morning, at around 10 a.m. Police said when one of the women was walking toward the exit, the sales associate asked if she wanted her to hold the merchandise for her. At that moment, surveillance caught the crook as she grabbed the employee’s hair. Then, several other women joined in, hitting and punching her in the face. Several witnesses in the store gathered around but didn’t seem to intervene. Miami-Dade Fire Rescue was called to the scene to treat the injured employee. The footage then showed the suspects leaving the store, but one of the women is then seen coming back and hitting the sales associate again before taking off. “Police need to grab these women,” said one shopper. “These people out here are crazy.” A security guard has since been on patrol inside the store for safety measures. The sales associate was able to capture clear images of some of the women when one of them returned inside the store. “The surveillance camera is not as helpful as those pictures right there from bystanders,” said Miami Lakes resident Carlos Crespo. Miami-Dade Police continue their search for those involved. If you recognize any of them, call Miami-Dade Crime Stoppers at 305-471-TIPS. Remember, you can always remain anonymous, and you may be eligible for a $1,000 reward ..." Below is the link to the article along w/ store surveillance video although the video is fuzzy: [view link] So not only do these ghetto ass hoes walk in the store to steal - all 5 of them then jump the sales clerk not just b/c they wanna get away - they could have gotten away by just pushing her and running away - but nope - ghetto ass niggers gotta inject violence into everything - so all 5 jump the clerk not to get away; but to give her a beat-down ghetto nigger style - and if that wasn't enough - *after* they leave the store one of them comes back in to beat the clerk again - WHAT THE FUCK. Now ti could be argued that I'm cherry-picking one isolated incident - but at least down here in Miami - which is what I know - almost every f'ing newscast of violence and shootings is off black people or in the black neighborhoods. Again - any sane person would agree that this does not and must not classify an entire group of people - not all black people act like this but *IME* most people that act like this are black and that is what fucks it up for everybody (decent blacks and decent whites) - "perception is not reality" but there are way too many fucking bad-apples in the black community fucking up the perception of all black people.
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    ^^^I think morons like you are the reason black people are always "bringing up the race card". Why do you refer them are "ghetto ass niggers"? I guess you've been going to black clubs so long you think you're black. I don't see anyone on here saying derogatory words towards Latinos. SMH
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    How would you refer to people that act like these people did - "unfortunate victims of racism that do what they do b/c they don't have opportunities" - how would you refer to people who do this of whom IME are more often than not black - how would you refer to them when they act like this? Sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade.
  • GACA
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    8 years ago
    @Larryfish Papi is cool and gets a pass. He was using it for shock value. He's got a point too. I can't stand ghetto as niggas getting clumped in with the rest of us. But allow me to retort that all ghetto people, including white trash meth heads (and their numbers are many manyore than ghetto blacks) resort to violence
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    I like racing
  • chessmaster
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    8 years ago
    ^if they were white I would call them honkies(however you spell it) or crackers. If they were Latino I wouldn't call them spics or wetbacks. Sure they are despicable and disgusting(regardless of their situation that was uncalled for) but I have never strong armed or robbed anybody.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    "... But allow me to retort that all ghetto people, including white trash meth heads (and their numbers are many manyore than ghetto blacks) resort to violence ..." That hasn't been my experience - but then again I never really have had to deal w/ white trash meth addicts - my understanding was many meth-heads are into stealing and white-collar crime like identity theft which I'm not saying isn't a bad thing - but I never seen meth-heads routinely attacking people vioolenly particularly as in the case I pointed out - but like I said that has just not been my *personal* experience.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    My point is when a black person gets the short-end of the stick at the hands of a white-person - all hell brakes loose including demonstrations and cries of racism - but when black people are the perpetrators one barely hears a beep and often times excuses are made for them as if they being victims of their circumstances/racism.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    brakes = breaks
  • GACA
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    8 years ago
    ^^^@Papi come on you never drove through New Mexico an noticed all the completely unmanned gas stations. Thought you stayed in Texas
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    For AAs to be such a small % of the population yet be such a disproportionate % of the violence is an issue - and that's why I get pissed when race issues are often portrayed about what white people do to black people. as if all black people are solely victims and not often the victimizers.
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    You can give him a pass if you want GACA, I'm not. He's done it before, he's a idiot whose only interaction with black people are in the strip clubs.
  • GACA
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    8 years ago
    ^^^ Well unfortunately niggas were brought here to the USA on boats and suffer through a violent and miserable lives for hundreds of years till about 1965ish. Not to say niggas aren't naturally violent mother fuckas one only has to look to Africa too see that self imposed misery there. My point, and I have one, is that whether we like to admit it or not, we're still dealing with the fall out of our past government policy, and niggas aren't going to get right after one and a half generations of equal treatment. But times are a changing, look at the Adrian Peterson contraversy and even black comments were he went too far. Violence is a necessity in a survival culture. And as these groups do more than just "survive" civility will follow. My $0.02
  • chessmaster
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    8 years ago
    "For AAs to be such a small % of the population yet be such a disproportionate % of the violence is an issue - and that's why I get pissed when race issues are often portrayed about what white people do to black people. as if all black people are solely victims and not often the victimizers." Let the black lies matter people tell it most of that violence is against other blacks. And that still doesn't excuse police violence or racist violence against blacks(or anyone for that matter). But deep down most people harbor some racist feelings against other races. It may only be revealed when you piss them off but you're a prime example of why we all get lumped in with the bad apples. Ok most black people in Miami act like this(i can't verify this but I'll take your word for it) but what does that have to do with the rest of us? So because white people shoot up schools and planned parenthood facilities this means all white people are bound to shoot up a bunch of people right?
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    I'm not asking for a pass from anyone let alone you (larry) - I am stating my opinion and I accept everyone else's POV - you don't see me calling any other TUSCLer an idiot for having a different POV - it's just that you seem to be drinking the koolaid that black people are just victims of white people and that every, or the majority, that is wrong w/ black people is due to white people - you don't say that what I say is untrue/inaccurate - just that you don't like what I'm saying - you are conditioned to see things one-sided my friend - woe is us - we're just victims. I call ghetto niggers ghetto niggers b/c that is how they are and act - again what would you call them? I'm calling out what is obvious but it's taboo to say - kinda ignoring the smoke where there is a fire. I have no issues whatsoever with decent respectful people of any color or race - I have on several occasions called out Latinos including Cubans - I'm not so "sensitive" nor dishonest to just see things one-way and just look at the side of the coin that I rather/prefer-to see.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    I will not be making any more remarks on this thread tonight - starving and need to go out and get some food and then hitting Tootsies since there aren't any black people there. LOL - just kidding - I was at a black club this afternoon and just want a change of pace.
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    ^^^You wouldn't call a black person a ghetto nigger to his face, you are the definition of a pussy.
  • ppwh
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    8 years ago
    ^ this is an ugly argument. Papi_Chulo said that he can take as well as he can get. Threatening him with violence invalidates your point.
  • mikeya02
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    8 years ago
    It does suck. As long as guys like Al Sharpton are around, there will be racism
  • motorhead
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    8 years ago
    @GACA +1 for calling out the white meth-heads The tweakers making home brew meth in mobile homes in the rural midwest are an epidemic.
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    @ppwh- you too are an idiot, I didn't threaten anyone with violence, I simply stated a fact. It's just like these people who threaten to kill people online, it's all talk, no action, cowardless pussies. Write some reviews while you have all this free time.
  • ppwh
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    8 years ago
    ^ you are the one celebrating racial violence. As far as I can tell, Papi_Chulo was talking about a cultural phenomenon amongst a particular subgroup, while you insisted on understanding that as referring to genetics.
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    ^^^I have no idea what you're babbling about. My thing I was talking about was Papi using the N word.
  • NinaBambina
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    8 years ago
    And the funny thing about it (sad, really) is that people will actually defend this piece of shit who literally said "ghetto ass niggers." Explicit racism no matter how you slice or dice it. There were some intelligent responses to this thread, but once that blatantly ignorant comment was made by the racist with jungle fever, things went downhill.
  • NinaBambina
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    8 years ago
    At least I can say this thread is historical, for now I will add someone to my ignore list for the first time (papi).
  • twentyfive
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    8 years ago
    I feel that too many folks throw certain words around for shock value, and I really don't like it at all. I never use those types of words ever but I notice certain things about the people that object to the N word most vociferously, don't object to other racially charged words as a matter of fact the only poster I can remember calling out another poster on any types of slurs was white. I guess its a case of who's ox was gored. That being said we would all be do well to remember that racial epithets do not have any place in discussions we have with each other, whether or not we find the post distasteful or the poster.
  • NinaBambina
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    8 years ago
    Oh and while I found many posts with great points, Gawker's stood out as particularly insightful imo.
  • crazyjoe
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    8 years ago
    I like racing
  • motorhead
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    8 years ago
    I like racing too. But Danica Patrick really needs to come back to Indy car open wheel racing. She was favorite driver in IndyCar but she sucks in NASCAR. I'm not a NASCAR fan but I pay just enough attention to know that she's a middle of the packer
  • motorhead
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    8 years ago
    Larry, Next time you're in a club and they're playing rap are you going to talk to the manager and DJ tell them to stop playing songs with the N word?
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    You can call me a cracker but I can't call you a nigger. People kill and these are just words [view link]
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    Yep
  • Imamutt
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    8 years ago
    Wow. Damn. Ignorance is one of the biggest obstacles toward progress. BTW, just so you know, white racists love being called cracker bc of its origin being from the sound of the slave handler's whip. The 'cracker' was a black heart who dealt out punishment.
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    Yepper
  • motorhead
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    8 years ago
    In Central Florida, the term "cracker" means Cowboys. You're right it involves whips, but that's how they herded the cattle. Instead of using ropes & lassos like in the west, whips were used. I've spent a great deal of time there, and there is a highway called "The Florida Cracker Trail". Signs show the Cowboys herding the cattle. It's not at all an insult
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    In Mexico cow girls was called crackers for the ass crack they trafficking
  • Imamutt
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    8 years ago
    MH- Yeah. Whips weren't used on slaves. Slavers weren't called 'cracker'. Thanks for the history lesson...
  • Imamutt
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    8 years ago
    Juice=asscracker?
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    Lol
  • motorhead
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    8 years ago
    Jeez Imamutt Did you read my post. It said "in central Florida" A bit sensitive ? You're reaching
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    Very well said Nina, explicit racism at its finest. SMH. You would think that if you're racist, you would try to hide it lol. You're right, there are and will be people that will try to defend Papi. That's almost as disgusting as him actually saying it. Motorhead- weak point, you're better than that. It might just be me, but this is what I think. If gays want to say "faggot" to each other, if blacks want to say "nigga" to each other, if Latinos want to say "spic" to each other....etc, that's fine, but I don't think that should make everyone else feel like they can start using the words freely. We need to be sensitive towards the groups the derogatory words are intended for.
  • chessmaster
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    8 years ago
    Why the hell must people be so concerned with what we call each other anyway? What the fuck does it have to do with you?
  • Imamutt
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    8 years ago
    MH- apologies for my misinterpretation of your intent. Regional vernacular undoubtedly varies.
  • twentyfive
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    8 years ago
    Nobody here is defending anybody I just think you guys all need to stop throwing racial epithets around no matter who says it it's still demeaning and hurts someone and really doesn't make any point other than the users own lack of volcabulary. BTW I don't like it when members of the same race throw it around either.
  • ppwh
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    8 years ago
    larryfisherman/Ninabambina, It looks like you might have missed the point of what I was saying. When someone says: Come say that to my face punk, those are fighting words. A not-so-subtle threat of violence. When someone says: You wouldn't say that to a Hell's Angel, so you're a pussy, that might be mischaracterizing the members of a motorcycle club. (Or maybe not, it could be that they intentionally want to project a certain image) When someone says: You wouldn't say that to a black person, so you're a pussy, that sounds pretty racist. You are generically characterizing a black person as someone who is one word away from violence, which promotes a negative racial stereotype. Regarding racial relationship shaming, I have read Papi_Chulo's profile well before this discussion, and he has said that the attributes he finds attractive in a woman are most commonly found in black women he encounters, but has also found them in other races. If he lived in a different part of the world, maybe it would be white women who do rowing. In referring to his appreciation for black women as Jungle Fever, you are racially shaming relationships and attraction. Giving gawker a pass because he put things in a way that you agree with reads like giving him a pass on his attraction. From what I have read here, both guys have said their attraction is based on the individual rather than that person's race. Do you not see the irony in doing exactly the kind of thing the OP was complaining about while accusing someone of racism?
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    ppwh- you have very little comprehension. I don't know why you had to write all those paragraphs. My problem was with Papi saying, "ghetto ass nigger". Simple, nothing else. Me saying he wouldn't say it to a black man's face has nothing to do with a black man being one word away from violence lol. It has to do with if you know you're doing something wrong, you generally don't do it front of everyone, and you generally don't want everyone to know you're doing it. This is why most racists in today's world are not explicit. You see what happens when you're caught being racist, just ask that guy from Seinfield, his career is over. Plus the Internet is anoymous, so there's no face being put to those comments. You're not gonna get another response from me, I think I explained myself clearly.
  • ppwh
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    8 years ago
    larryfisherman, Fair enough on your rationale for what you said. Based on your word choice, especially calling him pussy, it was pretty open to being interpreted another way. There is a thing called the chilling effect. If someone says or writes something that is unpopular or controversial, it can lead to severe consequences. The chilling effect is generally seen as a bad thing in societies that value free speech. Anyway, there are a lot of ways to work on social problems, but I don't see how attacking people on an Internet forum is helping matters.
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    ppwh- pussy was referring to him saying it on an anoymous internet board.
  • flagooner
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    8 years ago
    "You're not gonna get another response from me" That didn't last long, darn it.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    I was gonna elaborate more on my position but best to let this thread go into the trash-heap of TUSCL history - we will all have our different views and agreement will not be had via a TUSCL thread. I thought about putting Nina on ignore to return the favor - but I'm still holding hope she will at some point show us her tits and I could not in good PL conscience miss that event.
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    ^^^What is there to elaborate on??? You're a piece of shit racist, you've made that pretty clear. I wouldn't want to be within 1000 ft of you. You're going to my ignore list too. I'm still waiting for Shadowcat and twentyfive to tell me he's not racist. After all they do know him, they've spent a few hours with him!
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    Lol ^^^ this dude is having a bad day White power !
  • Imamutt
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    8 years ago
    Cant we all just get a bong?
  • flagooner
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    8 years ago
    This has been one of the most humorous threads in a while.
  • twentyfive
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    8 years ago
    I'm waiting on a response from LF to a PM I sent him 2 hours ago before making my last response on this thread.
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    ^^^I saw it, when I have a few minutes, I'll respond.
  • Bavarian
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    8 years ago
    It's more despicable to sling insults at an individual and making it personal. Papi is not a pussy, an idiot or a piece of shit.
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    ^^^spoken from the guy who lets his CF walk all over him like a pussy. Pussy is certainly ironic in this situation lol. I'm black, of course I'm going to take it personal, smart guy.
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    Y do we call all blacks in America African ? They are all not from Africa I'm so confused
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    I've been doing way too much name calling, I'll just keep my personal feelings to myself.
  • Bavarian
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    8 years ago
    Papi was referring to those uncivilized individuals who on top of committing crimes, physically harm others. Chris Rock has a routine about Black people vs niggers. That's what Papi is talking about.
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    Bingo ^
  • Imamutt
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    8 years ago
    ATF (black) n me ( passing for kinda white) in a public generic bar n grill, white couple- woman stares holes through me, black couple- woman stares holes through her. The guys try to ignore them. Hm. We had a great time n didn't let it get to us!
  • flagooner
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    8 years ago
    Is Racism the name of a dancer? What are her rates for a BBBJ?
  • Mate27
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    8 years ago
    Can anyone on here who has commented show me the example of where racism as a term was used to describe oppression? Because if you're using the term racism when there isn't any oppression, i.e. The original poster, then you're just using the "race card" which makes you look even stupider. Too bad many Millenials and left leaning people have learned if they don't get their way it's just too easy to pull out the race card and play the victim. Seriously racism was oppression with other means than what a person sexually prefers. Why doesn't John Smith catch any crap for preferring red heads?
  • NinaBambina
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    8 years ago
    Meat72, I think you are missing the point of the OP. He likes black girls but is white-passing. So, when he talks to fellow whites who don't know he is mixed (as you can see by his username), the racist ones may make racist statements because they don't realize a person of color is around. So imamutt is able to see how real and sometimes blatant racism actually is, from various perspectives. I can relate to that. Apparently I don't look black at all to many people (I usually pass for Middle Eastern, Italian, or Latina but I have gotten more crazy guesses too), and I have had plenty of offensive comments made about blacks, people using the word "nigger," and even a chick going on a rant to me about how she is "starting to hate the black race" (verbatim). I told her I am part black and she looked shocked then profusely apologized, of course. These experiences have showed me how prominent racism still is with some people. The aforementioned types of comments are racist; however, having preferences is not. That is why JS69 doesn't get shit for liking redheads. Also redhead isn't a race. There is nothing wrong with dating the person whose looks fit your ideal and favorite.
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    Good insight Nina, I have similar experiences to you. I'm half white and half black, but I look more white (like Klay Thompson). People talking to me made plenty of racist comments about blacks not knowing I was black. When I told them I was black, they got flustered and kept saying they didn't mean it blah blah blah. Bavarian, you're giving Papi too much credit. He referred to them as niggers because that's how he felt. It'd be like seeing Mexicans doing stupid stuff. Instead of saying those guys or Mexican guys are doing stupid stuff, you say those beaners are doing stupid stuff. It's wrong either way.
  • Imamutt
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    8 years ago
    Nina, thank you. Your assessment is spot on and I couldn't have conveyed it better myself. I see otherwise very cool people at their meanest bc of my 'passing', which I don't strive to attain, social constructs of racial phenotypes impose it on me. Flip side is being perceived as white when visiting friends or family in a predominantly black neighborhood. No one has a monopoly on prejudice. I never take a confrontational stance, but try to engage in civil discussion to encourage people to share why they feel the way they do. It almost always comes down to upbringing, it is learned behavior. I am grateful for my broad view, based on my mixed heritage. I feel sorry for closed minds missing out on the richness of beauty in humanity.
  • Meursault
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    8 years ago
    This is a problem that I appreciate Imamutt's perspective on because it is a problem that it is more difficult for me to see in person. I'm white and live in the Midwest (but I travel a lot). I do not think I'm a racist and don't buy the narrative that everyone is a racist. I very rarely have people share racist opinions with me but it does happen (some old people, some strippers who tend to hate Mexicans and young black men for some reason). Because racism is less overt today, I think it is easy for white people to pretend it is not a problem or to look for the "race card." The truth is that unless you are a minority or a racist yourself, you are not going to see a lot of racist interactions. No doubt there are race baiters (e.g., Al Sharpton) in the media, but that doesn't mean that racism isn't a real problem. Just because 1965 was better than 1865 doesn't mean we don't need to continue to work to make 2065 better. I find it shocking that the n* word can still come out of somebody's mouth (or keyboard). It is not something I hear very often (again I'm relatively affluent and live in the Midwest) but when I do hear it, I quickly lose respect. As a white person, it just should never occur to you to speak it in any context. To pretend that "cracker" or any other slur carries the same impact or should be treated in the same way is disingenuous at best. The point that racism exists in all races and cultures strikes me as irrelevant. Our goal should be to make or country / culture better and that means dealing with the racial dynamics that are in play right here right now. I'm politically very conservative. I want the government out of almost everything. Hillary Clinton would be a nightmare president for me, but Trump has a strong whiff of racist (and authoritarian) to me and I could never look my children in the eye and tell them I voted for him.
  • chessmaster
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    8 years ago
    ^well said. If only more white people could that civil so we can continue to make progress instead of so many denying racism or claiming we just play the race card.
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    Meursault- very well said, very insightful.
  • GACA
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    8 years ago
    Eloquently put @Meursault
  • GACA
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    8 years ago
    @Meursault ...So Conservatives read french socialist left wing nut jobs. (assuming you got your handle from The Stranger -- Albert Camus
  • Mistah_Fetti_Morbuxxx
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    8 years ago
    I like what Meursault said. I grew up in South Georgia I have been called out of my name including the "n" word even in this day and age. It's an ugly word that conjures ugly images and flashbacks. Especially with the older generation such as my parents and grandparents that actually lived through that era.
  • Meursault
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    8 years ago
    @GACA, yes we do read Camus and Russell and other nut jobs as well as Ludwig von Mises and Milton Friedman. I thought "the stranger" was an appropriate handle for an anonymous chat. Also I think there is a lot for the libertarian to relate to in The Stranger.
  • jester214
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    8 years ago
    "It's an ugly word that conjures ugly images and flashbacks." Unless it's a black person saying it?
  • Mate27
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    8 years ago
    ^^^ Bingo! Confirmation bias reigns supreme, much like the idiotic political pundits trying to state their views are correct and invalidate anyone who thinks otherwise. Still not racism from the comments, maybe people are just a little too extreme in being mean and ignorant. If it's racism I guess I'm racist against SJGuy, without the ignorance.
  • vincemichaels
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    8 years ago
    I like purple people, does that make me racist ??? :)
  • alldaylong
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    8 years ago
    Nina called it. " tuscl is not the right place for this kind of discussion to remain civil and constructive." But she doesn't want congrats. She wants toughness & vigilance. We must be smart! :)
  • flagooner
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    8 years ago
    Almost 100 responses. Just need 1 more.
  • dallas702
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    8 years ago
    I grew up in the deep south, and experienced racism first hand, fortunately I am white.. I still remember the almost weekly gatherings throughout the early 60's in my parent's living room as my dad and his two best friends drank beer and bemoaned those "damn niggers," criminal "wetbacks" and liberal "white trash." The only remarkable thing about those gatherings was that while my dad was very much a product of the rural deep south, one of his friends was a professional who grew up in Philly - and was Black. Dad's other friend grew up in Texas, but by appearance and accent, there was no hiding that he was of Mexican heritage. My point is that racism, or bias, or prejudice, or bigotry can be a very complicated issue and there is seldom a black and white (pun intended) vies of what is right and wrong. I played with the kids of those two men, visited in their homes, went on trips together, all through the "civil rights" era. (we still remain friends). As kids, we never really cared about the (for us) distant politics, nor did we take sides (except to play games). Yet, the language of my father would identify him clearly as a very bigoted racist today!
  • vincemichaels
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    8 years ago
    Yes, dallas702, I grew up in "White" Warren, MI. My dad wasn't overtly racist, but he was. I'm glad my former home town is diverse these days. We are people, all of us. I got involved in my teens for civil rights for all. My FBI Red file reflected my "patriotism" Fuck the white FBI. I don't care if I am labeled human and embrace diversity.
  • Imamutt
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    8 years ago
    VM- I once had a roommate that was so blacks (how black was he?), he was so black he looked like a deep purple
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    I'm guessing some of you who don't think "nigger" is racist, are some of the same people that will call people "faggots".
  • dallas702
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    8 years ago
    I used to put down fags and faggots all the time - years ago, but I've since quit smoking (and I don't work with that guy from Birmingham (UK) that called cigarettes faggots). I never used to think "nigger" was racist, because my friends used it all the time, Then I found out that politically correct rules proclaimed that my friends, who were black, could say, "nigger" and it was OK, but I couldn't because I am not Black. Larry, perhaps you missed my point?
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    I got your point Dallas, I wasn't talking about you.
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    This is what happened forgot
  • 4got2wipe
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    8 years ago
    Thanks juicebox69, but I'm not sure I want to read through this whole thread and figure out who exactly stepped in the shit! I'll just say that I agree, racism does suck and don't say to n-word because doing that isn't about being politically incorrect. Saying the n-word is just being dickish. It is one of those things where no good can come of it. Being a dick = non-brilliant!
  • Call.Me.Ishmael
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    8 years ago
    It turns out that Nina's top post was more than a bit prophetic... Racism is a great way to end a relationship with me, be it with a friend, family member, or a dancer. Once in a while, I'm still thrown for a loop when a buddy who I think I know pretty well will say something blatantly racist in the same way most of us discuss the weather. These situations rarely end quietly. A while ago I posted the following discussion regarding racist strippers. May interest some of you. [view link]
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