Recession pricing coming to a club near you
rickdugan
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I don't know about anyone else, but I am convinced that we are either in a recession or heading into one. While I never wish for recession as it makes my life tougher in certain ways, I will admit that I had some great times during the last downturn with some uber hotties who I never would have lured OTC otherwise. Now obviously the last downturn was pretty severe, but I even found the relatively modest recession before that to provide some opportunities that had previously been harder to score.
Anyone else looking forward to a recession from a club perspective?
While on the topic, that dogshit stock RICK is already back to trading under $8 (what a surprise - not) and same store sales are taking a beating, so now may not be such a bad time to solicit your favorite hottie at a RICK location if you have one.
Anyone else looking forward to a recession from a club perspective?
While on the topic, that dogshit stock RICK is already back to trading under $8 (what a surprise - not) and same store sales are taking a beating, so now may not be such a bad time to solicit your favorite hottie at a RICK location if you have one.
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How much less do you grease bouncers during a recession Ricky boy? Is it best to use discount lube with bouncers during a recession?
Anyway, as someone for whom hustle-level is a prime motivator, and whose income is pretty steady, I too take advantage of recession times. In fact, I do that at a micro-level every single year -- in this area, I know exactly when the club slowdowns will be, and I specifically save up funds to club relatively more during those itmes. I won't be happy about what it will do to my portfolio, but it will bounce back eventually, and in the meantime I'll take advantage in my clubbing
And I have no problem with posts about fucking young teenage dancers. I've made similar posts myself, though I tend to like them just a hair older so that I can drink with them. The fun I had with a few of yours was more about the emotional side of it.
But on the topic of recession pricing, it is about a lot more than saving a few bucks. Downturns change earning dynamics in clubs. Where I used to club in the northeast, the hottest girls in my favorite club were making so much money pre-downturn that going OTC with them was not in the cards, but that changed when the economy went south and fewer customers were walking in. These girls' income needs did not change just because the economy soured, especially since one of them had a kid to support, one still needed to send money back to her family in Russia, and one actually had her needs increase she had to start supporting after the mother lost her job.
I have to imagine others around here have similar experiences and some on this board have weathered even more recessions than I have.
The last downturn opened things about dramatically with a few girls who had turn change
They told me they don't miss YOU very much, but they've composed several folk songs about your wallet
A *short* recession is OK; a long one, not so much.
@ Joe: SC has a point. I don't want to put you on ignore but if you do long lists of nothing, I'm going to have to.
I may have to agree with you on the recession.
I am in sales, and 2015 was the best year I had since the recession hit in 2008. At the end of this year I finally surpassed my 2008 numbers, gas was cheap (for business and customers) meaning more money in their pocket to blow.
My business always slows down after the first of the year but it's still always been steady. Now, it's like there's been a screeching halt as soon as everyone turned their calendars over to 2016.
It certainly hasn't hit all corners of America yet but I too think it's coming. The questions are how deep will it be and how long will it last this time around.
I personally see people spending cautiously like they are waiting for something to happen. I think if the Feds didn't finally raise rates a lot of this wouldn't have happened. Those asshole better not dare raise them for the rest of the year.
You are a cool guy rockstar666
Thanks for the compliment ricky
By the way, has anyone heard from Dougster or Steve229 recently.
I know most of you guys didn't get to be at the stadium yesterday. So here's some great video footage I took:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7juA6adU…
SJG
Grand jury probe into Santa Clara Stadium Authority and Santa Clara City Manager Julio Fuentes with allegations of destruction of evidence:
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Slow but steady the dancers (and especially the hot dancers) will stick around to try to meet their money, give a little more time, cut a few deals.
When it's DEAD the hot girls bolt, leaving the truly desperate girls to fend for the scraps.
This can happen on a day basis (girls going home early or not coming in if their friend says it sucks), a club basis (girls leaving a dead club) and presumably an overall basis.
But you also can have girls who would otherwise work as promotional models or at Victoria Secret make the leap into stripping out of desperation. That happens more as unemployment peaks
Strip clubs probably care about yesterday stock market more than other businesses because a lot of mongers are retired and have to watch their accounts. Cities more tied to finance and oil also probably care more about the market than unemployment.
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Just don't walk under high rises.
SJG
It is the bubbles which cause the busts. Very hard to stop busts, except by refusing to support the bubbles.
For myself, I'm involved in things which have little to do with booms and busts. But definitely it is easier to operate during the busts than the booms.
SJG
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Glad to see you are also concerned about the millions of other Americans that would be affected
It is not that simple because each one of these boom and bust cycles leaves more people with less of an economic future.
The only way to stop the busts is to refuse to support the booms. So the sooner the remnants of this boom are gone, the better.
And then the more we can avoid doing anything to promote another boom the better. But we know it won't go this way. So instead we need to pass laws to structurally change our economy.
Obama was good about offsetting the worst of the bust. But he did nothing to change our system so that we don't continue to have booms and busts.
SJG
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Brilliant!
One thing that has always amazed me about rickdugan is his obsession with saving what, to me, is trivial amounts of money.
When I first started posting I remember rickdugan posting something about hoping some poor former addict stripper would backslide so he could fuck her less expensively. If I remember correctly it was bumped by Dougster, but I remember reading it and being appalled.
I mean really, does rickdugan hope his elderly aunt dies a little earlier so he can get the inheritance she promised him in her will?
Maybe rickdugan doesn't really understand what addiction does to people, but it seems pretty d-baggy no matter how you cut it.
"I just have a grudging kind of respect for the role that Dougster played here now that he's gone."
I never understood Dougster's rickdugan obsession, but rickdugan also fed it. I assumed that rickdugan did something that pissed Dougster off a long time ago. So Dougster would repetitively post trivial insults. But then rickdugan would respond like a dumbass! rickdugan could have stopped the whole Dougster thing at any time by just ignoring Dougster and actually ignoring him. None of this "I happend to read your thread despite the fact that I'm ignoring you" bs! Just complete silence.
In fact, there were times that I thought rickdugan was Dougster, trolling himself! I figuring only an idiot would keep responding to Dougster. Now I'm pretty convinced that rickdugan is not Dougster, and I suspect Dougster was amazed that rickdugan was such an idiot to keep responding to him!
If you ignored the "rickdugan is a faggot" posts Dougster was actually a pretty interesting poster. Sometimes he was even brilliant! ;)
Whether or not the camgirl population would, on the average, be a good OTC candidate or not is open to speculation. I've noticed a slight decrease in dancer attractiveness over the years. While not at a tipping point to drive customers away, IMHO, the camgirl migration has driven club owners to take almost any dancer willing to pay the fees to dance. My 2c. PS- My, the ignore button really enhances the readability of this thread.
The main issue is that a Dougster and a few asshats trolled him so much that some of you actually bought into the bullshit.
So I think when some of you say the prettier, cleaner dancers can and do leave clubs when their earnings from clean dances drop (versus girls who will do more for less money), apparently it really does happen.
This is just one anecdote.
I'm sure the opposite also happens, and the platinum Barbie dancer with the fake tits says, aw fuck it, and starts slobbing and jacking dick, doing P4P, etc.
It's interesting that someone brought up camming. On a related not a dancer said she was doing body rubs (FBSM) on the side (to supplement $$ from clean dancing) and that was the only OTC she would do. I guess when you're pretty you get to pick what you do, or something like that. ???
I don't think it's as easy as all that... if it were, there are lots of strippers who do extras, who could be taking more control of their income doing body rubs, escorting, etc. Lack of the critical skills required to do FBSM -- marketing your own business, being able to take and keep appointments (ALWAYS on time), working sober, etc. -- are precisely the reasons strippers who are willing to do extras, choose stripping in the first place. I've watched lots of strippers try to make the transition and then run back again. 'course, the strippers who DO successfully make the transition and manage to build a business at FBSM, pretty much never go back; not having to deal with strip club customers, strip club managers, and other strippers, is apparently a reward of its own.
But I thought clubs like Onyx, King of Diamonds and Starlets and....what's that famous strip club in ATL? Magic City I think? Clubs like that; I thought the strippers and the bartenders were making hella dollars from all the rapper appearances and free advertisements from said rappers? Plus with the whole make it rain phenomenon still at large, I'd think strippers NEVER go broke. Look at Blacc Chyna if you ever heard of her.
Perhaps I'm missing something here.
For every one that makes it famous there are 200-300 that you never heard of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
In Plato's dialogues with Socrates, the one who is clueless is the one who goes ad hominem. They say things like, "Do you need a wet nurse?", or they accuse Socrates of lacking common sense.
And then Socrates completely demolishes their position and educates his young students in the process.
SJG
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I meant which type of girl were you referring to in this statement
Lust was packed this past weekend. What recession?
While true, to an extent, it's *also* true of many of the *other* mongers who post here. Unless you think most of these girls would be fucking and sucking ugly old men if they werent suffering some "misfortune," even if it's of their own making?
Rick is far from unique in that respect. He's just more open about it.
The only reason why we are seeing this little downturn is due to China and the overseas markets, and coupled with oil tanking as a threat to credit for those that do business with energy. This whole recovery will continue to be very slow after bailing out on the overextended credit lines from the early to mid 2000's. You really are a sucker is you're trying to predict a major down cycle. Anything will be short and shallow, or a buying opportunity. Anything big won't happen for another 2 years or so, when expansion begins to accelerate. There is no acceleration of velocity of money. It's a good sign that there isn't as the fed will hold tight and go slow.
A month later she's hit some financial hardship and could really use an extra $300. She decides to take the guy up on his offer.
Did he take advantage of her misfortune? Maybe. But this is a case where the free market is beautiful. She's happier with that $300 than she would be without it. He's happy to pay that price for sex with her. Maybe she wishes she could get that money another way, but we all wish we were rich and famous and good looking and didn't have to work for our money.
I've noticed a lot of Americans have a real problem negotiating, especially on a face-to-face, personal level, and a lot of salespeople take advantage. Maybe we're all too used to Walmart and McDonalds where the price is the price?
Sex workers, like any other industry, can put their goods and services on discount or offer additional services at no additional cost in a down market.
I have been involved in many transactions in my lifetime and not knowing your experiences I hesitate to try and make assumptions but I will say this to you, the best transactions are win/win, not the I win you lose shit that the OP constantly spews forth as his mantra. You can disagree if you like but having sex with a beautiful, willing partner is a lot more satisfying than getting a blowjob from some desperate skank who just sees you as a means to an end.
The problem here is that some of the guys are too emotionally delicate. In fact, many of them need to be convinced that the girls in question are all too eager to fuck them, because (1) it feeds into their absurd fantasies about legitimately scoring with a young hottie; and/or (2) they would otherwise feel guilty about "taking advantage" of the girl.
The reality is that there is a lot of emotional roadway in between "very eager" and "horrified at the very thought of fucking some deluded old dude." I like to think that my targets fall at least somewhere in the middle of the spectrum and hopefully closer to eager than horrified, but who really knows. But I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that I am choice #1 for some uber hot 20 year old girl when I am old enough to be her Dad. How absurd. Of course we are not their first choice and that includes the guys who post these ridiculous romantic novels on here.
Contrary to the girly squeals of protest I always read when I post something like this, I don't mistreat my partners. I am kind to them and pay market rates (and often more). But yes I maneuver to get the best possible results from girls that I want to fuck, especially from those who have historically avoided OTC. Why not? At the end of the day, they get paid well and I get what I want. Win-win. Perhaps this is difficult to comprehend for those of you who need to feel like she is overjoyed to play with your wrinkly balls, but I guess that I just don't need those delusions to enjoy myself with them.
SJG
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SJG
Looks like the only person we should have followed was Meat72. Spot on advice!
Gessh. And there's people on TUSCL wondering why I call RickyBoy a homo. Just look at his first post in this thread. Which has, obviously, turned out to be completely wrong.
a) Scream at the top of your lungs that a recession is imminent
b) Wait and see what happens
c) If a recession occurs, go to e)
d) if a recession does not occur, say it hasn't happened yet (blame government manipulation of interest rates or whatever). Say that will just make it worse when it actually happens and go back to b).
e) See you were right! Game over.
Gassagain's getting under SJG's skin again. Pure comedic genius!
Lol!
Ooops...
Lol! Keep that one in mind for this year: if you feel there is "carnage" in the markets just close your eyes and buy.
He doesn't like my politics of capitalism and positive views on the American system of investing with hard earned funds saved from a person's paycheck. Too bad he hasn't earned a woman's heart to keep from marital infidelity.
His calls if market woes are about as good as his predicting a good wife to be married to. My wife and I are going on 15 years of wedded bliss, and successful creation of an organization where we create actual success in business. That is capitalism, which is different than his counter culture socialistic anti-American, sleep raping women SJG.
Yeah him and RickyBoy were practically creaming their pants they would finally see the market crash they've been calling for for years. But WRONG again!
How do you explain your continued wrong calls on the market, SJG?
Oh that's right, those two have me on ignore, just like Larry Fishsticks. U know you're doing something right if you have the 3 biggest faggits from TUSCL placing you on ignore. It's because they can't handle their own shit let alone some intellect telling them how stupid their shit is. Such fucking faggitry loserism trying to find what's wrong in the markets when so much has gone right!
Pussies have to hide behind the ignore button, which Rickybiy and SJG have openly published for self grandiose attention.
Let me guess. We got lucky back then and it's going to make the recession all the worse when it actually does hit: which could be any day now.
Mentally the people who are always looking at the dark side or down side of things do so becaus it makes them appear smart, which is what SJG and Rickyboy want everyone to believe that they are smart. They have compensations to make up for, and going back to cave man days the pessimistic view was use for survival , hence be leery of leaving the cave cause you might get attacked by a bear or mountain lion. Those two characters haven't even evolved enough to go beyond caveman type thinking, yet if they were so inclined to see what's the true benefit in these things called capitalism and the markets, they wouldn't have to depend on bottom feeding people for their emotional short falls. I prefer to make people laugh and feel good about themselves, yet SJG is just a huge "Debbie Downer"!
Cue up the music....... Wah wah wahhhhh...-after Debbie Downer says something depressing from SNL.
Retail stores and restaurants closing, reminiscent of 2008. One supermarket pulled out. But then nearby Safeway cutting staff and hours. Either slow business or don't want to deal with late night trouble makers. Either way, suggests things sinking.
Increasing number of homeless people, and different faces.
City government promoting construction boom like there was no tomorrow. Possibly setting the stage for a crash just like the S and L crash in Texas in the 80's, caused by over building of glass box office space.
Lots of fear in the air.
SJG
What do you two nitwits have to say? (So we can position opposite of what you say. Lol!)
But they do effect our entire society. The more people pay attention to these markets the more actual work is devalued and the more fatalistically we are living. So the sooner all of these bubbles burst, the better.
SJG
When I get out to the South East, you can know that I will not be associating with anyone who has skin the same color as Alabama's Jeff Sessions.
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You should move out of the country like all those celebrities said if you don't like our country's voting results. Leave now, because everyone on TUSCL hates SJG!
And Dougster knows it too, but he still supports the Republican Party.
SJG
You mean you don't *anymore* because you sure as hell were in this thread. Or did you think we would not point out that one little fact.
In any case, I guess it's sort of good that you won't try to call them anymore: you were wrong so often should save you some embarrassment. OTOH, if you or RickyBoy got excited about a collapse was always a good sign that that was the bottom. Nearly a perfect -1.0 between your calls and what actually happened.
And also, that financial types like Dougster are parasites.
SJG
No you'd rather drag people down to the ground by belittling them and downplaying their efforts of hope and optimism, and with your predatory nature take advantage of their fears. This much the same way as waking up your girls in the middle of the night and raping them in their sleep. Somehow you think just because they're in the same bed as you that you can do whatever you want to them and it is called "consent"! You are a despicable human being and founder needs to ban your ass.
Everybody hates SJG and wishes he would just leave, especially strippers
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SJG
Honestly there always are shocks in the system but consider me willing to ride the next shock as another nice buying opportunity. New administration will give traders an excuse to over react.
^^^ And as far as hating SJG I definitely wouldn't say that I hate him the most, but I do believe everybody on TUSCL does hate him and wishes he'd develop an organization of some kind to occupy his time, instead of trolling and bumping his own threads with repetitive drivel. What an ass clown as he was calling a market melt down one year ago!
Dipshit predatory.
Yep, people have mentioned the similarities between Alucard and SJG's personality but SJG also has quite a bit in common with RickyBoy, e.g. the sense of entitlement and the grandiosity combined with the dipshitry when it comes to objective assessment of what the world is really like (e.g. in the political and economic arenas).
That stuff doesn't soften recessions, the deepen them because less labor is needed. But Dougster and his friends don't care about that, they've got their high rises with strip clubs on the top floors. For them, each boom and bust cycle only brings them closer to the day they can bring out the livestock rail cars and begin the transportations.
Right now, they are happy with Trump building them their high rises, each with a strip club on the top floor, and then cramming the rest of us into ghettos.
What softened this last recession was the fact that Barack Obama was President, and not Herbert Hoover. But nevertheless, they have talked about Great Depression levels of unemployment.
No, long boom is out of the question. Technology does not bring us that because labor is in gross surplus. What we need is to recognize this and enjoy it via Social Democracy.
SJG
Just another of his disconnects with reality.
bigger issue going forward with all of these liberal arts degrees kids are being accepted into.
Considering JimG velocity of money there will be transfer of wealth and an increase of velocity due to this transfer and spending down of some assets. Health care will continue to rise in GDP expenditures and growth and dividends will be strong over the next two decades, of course it will be volatile to say the least. None for the faint of heart.
No Dougster your whole position about the finance sector and the development of our society is a total disconnect with reality. And I fear that it is intentional.
Just like when Clinton was in office, creating jobs? The line was, "Don't tell me about that, I've got 3 of them."
Our newspapers always present situations of people working 2 and three jobs, and often with a college degree, but still not being able to rent anything better than someone's couch.
4% unemployed is still a huge number of people, like about 20,000 just for San Jose. But the official unemployment rate is a gross undercount. People are discouraged, forced to accept a disability or mental health interpretation, and if they are smart they don't talk to official inquirers.
Andy Stern: There Is a Way to Stop Machines From Making Americans Poorer
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We have not had any net increase in the number of living wage stable jobs in decades!
With each of your boom and bust cycles, more and more people, counting as "employed", are going to shit jobs, jobs you can't live on.
Like Barbara Ehrenreich says, people working in those kinds of jobs are "anonymous donors".
https://www.amazon.com/Nickel-Dimed-Not-…
And this is not new. We used to have like 90% of the population working in agriculture. Now that number is less than 4%.
You want Freedom Through Work, Dougster? Just outlaw farm machinery. No, you want people cleaning the sidewalk with their tooth brushes. That way it makes it easier for you and your friends to scapegoat and dehumanize them.
Dougster, the ones draining the system while doing nothing, are not those on welfare or sleeping under bridges. No, you are the parasite!
You could be replaced with a small microchip, A VERY SMALL MICROCHIP!
Or even better, you could be just out and out removed by just a good kick in the rear end, in the direction of an open stair well door.
SJG
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Again, SJG, you've admitted you have no idea what my job is so no clue if I could be replaced by a VERY SMALL MICROCHIP or not. Why do you keep pretending?
I any event, even what you are doing here on this board is promoting continuing financialization. And you have said that you work in finance. You are helping to bring on a world which provides for the employment and needs of less and less people. You say technology is doing this, but I do not agree. I say it is continuing financialization. So that you are continuing to make money by doing this, qualifies you as a Parasite!
So we don't even need a small microchip to replace you, we should just focus on stopping you, eliminating you.
SJG
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(Maybe I'm the one working on the microchips or AI to replace people. :-) )
And you should be required to identify your sponsors when you post.
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Dougster, As I have said, I have learned to run my own affairs, so my contact with the mainstream culture of business and compensation is deliberately limited. What I do is first and foremost about values. And this is why I am now involved in building a much more involved counter culture organization.
One of my inspirations is the English and American Arts and Crafts Movement, and things like Roycroft of Aurora New York.
http://roycrofter.com/
And also the Open Source Software Movement, and what has developed into an Open Standards Movement.
I've never been a guy who just sells himself to the highest bidder. I don't operate that way, never have, never will. So don't try to compare me to that kind of world you operate in, and that most college grads get sucked into.
SJG
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Yanis Varoufakis: Basic Income is a Necessity
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Financialization has created a huge wedge between Capital and Labor, created a new form of Capital, Financialized Capital.
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I put lots of energy into political work, always finding ways to escalate conflicts.
I'm not really trying to start a revolution, but I am working to build a counter culture organization. And for this I need some scalps. A broader revolution will come later.
SJG