Strippers and BYOB

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I wouldn't bring any alcohol. Attract girls who don't drink. Easier to talk with and to stay up late with.

The reason it is BYOB is so that the club does not need to have a liquor license, and so that it need not be restrained by the rules of liquor licenses or the rules of public places.

See if a club has a liquor license, not only is it subject to those special rules, it is also subject to ordinances prohibiting public lewdness and public sex acts.

So getting rid of the liquor license and saying it is members only, opens up all kind of possibilities. Telling people that it is BYOB is just a way of being friendly, telling people they can bring their own. But encouraging drinking is not the reason they went BYOB.

This BYOB model has been adapted from Swingers Clubs. And in those places the management would actually prefer it if more people fucked in front of everyone. The more people who do this, the more it loosens everyone else up.

So though we do not have BYOB strip clubs around me, I eventually plan to be at some. As far as I know, if you walk into one of those places, expect to find a straight up brothel.

BYOB does not exempt them from the law against prostitution. But making it members only BYOB makes it very hard for LE to get in, and it makes any potential results of a raid not worth the costs and effort.

The place which most holds my interest is:
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And remember, just because they don't ask you to sign anything or tell you that it is a membership club, does not mean that they won't claim that it is if they have to deal with LE.

If it were not members only, then they could not allow BYOB as that would mean drinking in a public place, and with a few notable exceptions, that is illegal everywhere else in the United States.

Our friend Phantom Geek refuses to hear this, even though law firms in the state in question have made this unambiguously clear.

People who run strip clubs don't always tell you the same things they tell LE, and they don't usually tell you why they do things one way versus another.

SJG

Vodka is almost always a popular choice. Tequila almost as popular, but there are definitely a significant subset of girls who say, "ever since that last time I got too drunk on tequila and threw up, I can't touch it anymore".

You want to totally drive some strippers crazy? Fireball. Bitches love Fireball. Even if you bring vodka, bring a small bottle of fireball also.

Crown, Patron and Absolut

Bud Light Lime ? IDK I prefer the BYOS aka Bring Your Own Stripper

I haven't been to a BYOB club in so long (at least a decade I think) that I don't remember.

Grey Goose, Fireball, Patron, Jack, Crown, Captain's.

Bacardi 151 if you want to attract the alcoholics, or just get the girls very fucked up in general.

One of my current CF's at my local BYOB club tells me the girls there who drink will drink anything, as long as it's free. It probably depends on the club, though. That club bans hard liquor. A bottle of wine will get some girls. At the other BYOB club I visit, they have a PL who comes in every Friday with a bottle of wine and they all drink with him while he's there. I don't know what would happen with hard liquor there, though, because most customers come in with various bottles of lite beer. When I drank, I never got into lite beer.

Crown, always Crown. I always bring the big bottle (1.75L) and, more times than not, it is empty by the end of the night. In my experience, Crown is popular with ladies in byob clubs because it goes down very smooth as a shot, which is how a lot of girls in byob clubs take liquor from customers. It is almost always $50 very well spent when I club in true bybo joints.

If you do decide to go with Crown, make sure to bring the purple bag with you. I've had girls nuzzle me and otherwise try to cozy up just to get that freakin' bag, since apparently it serves well as a walk-around bag ITC.

Good luck!

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SJG

Fire ball whiskey, crown and patron.

Vodka & redbull

No one goes for the idea that a BYOB club is simply a place which does not hold an alcohol license, and so it is going to be more like a brothel, and that BYOB is not intended to encourage drinking, it is just the club being polite.

???

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No SJG, because that is often not the case. In some places, byob nude joints are no more permissive than other clubs. Dallas, CT (only a few in the entire state), and a few one off clubs in PA and MD come to mind as places where byob ≠ brothel conditions.

Well drinking in a retail establishment or any other kind of public place without an alcohol license is illegal almost everywhere in the country. The main exception being New Orleans.

So if we assume that they don't have an alcohol license, then if they are allowing you to drink, and if this is lawful, then it must be a membership club. They may not tell you that it is a membership club, because they know this would scare some people off. But if challenged by LE they will say that it is a membership club.

So if they are going this membership and BYOB route, instead of the proven money maker route of alcohol license, then there must be some reason for this. They may not want to explain their reasoning to you, but it must be there nonetheless.

As I have seen from discussions about this on blackstripclubs.net, it is simply to avoid the regulations which come with an alcohol license, as well as to avoid the laws about lewdness and sex acts in public places.

They would seem to be following the same protocols as Swingers Clubs.

The only thing they are not exempted from are the criminal codes, like the one against prostitution. But in that sort of an environment this kind of a code becomes impractical to enforce.

No more permissive than other clubs?

At one of the black membership byob clubs it is written that they enforce a rule against touching dancers when they are on stage. But this is just so that they finish their set. Once they are off stage, there are no rules.

You Mr. Dugan like to sit in your suit and negotiate OTC's with dancers. But for others who like to play with dancers on site, maybe they would see this differently?

In these byob nude joints, like Dallas, CT, PA, MD are you saying that they actually prohibit off stage physical contact?

If you can get physically friendly in the front room, then in the back room it is always going to be fantastic.

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SJG, there is no fucking and sucking in the back rooms of the places that i mentioned and a fair % of them don't even have private back rooms.

There are many reasons why a club owner might choose to go byob nude that have nothing to do with trying to run a brothel. They may not be able to get a liquor license. It may simply be about catering to customers who like nudity. It may be about being able to be 18+ instead of limiting entrance to those old enough to drink. I'm sure there are other reasons as well.

The 18+ idea I can understand, well sort of. In California nudity = no alcohol license, so it can be 18yo+.

But for BYOB to be lawful, most anywhere except New Orleans City, you have to make it a non-public place, so you have to be a membership club. And again, they may not let you know that they are seeing it this way.

Well, where I am they require adult entertainment licenses, and as hard as alcohol licenses are to get, a license for a nude club is much harder.

This does go away though with a membership club.

No fucking and sucking in back rooms, some don't even have back rooms?

Well here LE can be real shits. Swingers Clubs have been closed down, or at least run out, when I don't think there was any evidence of prostitution or anything else. It was just that the neighbors circled the wagons and got extremely militant.

So Rick, at these BYOB clubs you speak of,

Are there enforced rules against physical contact with dancers?

It think that is what it comes down to. With an alcohol license, that could be cause for suspension, fines, or revocation. Some might say the laws against public place lewdness and sex acts apply too.

With a membership club and no alcohol license, the only thing which applies is the law against prostitution.

I know you like to verbally negotiate OTC. But some like myself don't approach women that way, instead treating them like civilians and just coming on to them and hopefully getting quite physical. Once this has happened the girl is not going to say no to much of anything. Though maybe what will follow will still be off site.

SJG

I second what rickdugan says, at least as far as the Iowa BYOB clubs and the Out House in Lawrence, Kansas is concerned. The only reason Iowa has BYOB clubs is a loophole in Iowa's theater law where a judge said it was legal to have nude dancing so long as it was at a BYOB theater. The Playhouse of Council Bluffs, IA, and the Lumberyard of Des Moines are most definitely not brothels and are BYOB. The Out House is most definitely not a brothel, either. OTOH, some of the BYOB clubs in Iowa do have extras. That still doesn't make it like Tijuana.

Okay, but what you are saying largely confirms my view. A judge is not going to say that you can do a certain act because it is BYOB. Alcohol doesn't make it more okay. He must have meant that you can do certain acts because it is members only and not a public place.

And this is what I am saying, making it a members only place exempts it from laws against public lewdness. Is nudity lewdness? Are the things strippers do on stage lewdness? Depends on who you ask.

But it sounds like this judge understood that in a members only place, those laws don't apply.

Where I live, every time there has been a strip club which allowed touching, people have gone to jail.

If these were members only they would not have. But this would have scared off many customers who don't want their names on lists. And this would have meant loss of the ability to make money by selling alcohol.

Remember, these strip club operators are not going to explain to you all that their lawyers tell them. They don't even explain it to their own staff. So you have to figure it out yourself.

Now, you say these are not brothels. Okay, but do they enforce a rule against touching dancers?

Maybe they don't, and that makes GFE OTC much more likely. Or maybe they do prohibit such touching, because in some of these places LE must be tough about how they interpret the prostitution law.

But this still is consistent with my original thesis, that they are doing this to become exempt from the laws about public places, like lewdness. But in doing this they lose the ability to profit by selling alcohol.

So whether or not the door person tells you this, and whether or not they actually keep records, they are presenting it to LE as a membership club and not an ordinary retail business.

Thanks for the info.

SJG

I had a couple Cokes at Beach Girls in Des Moines, and dancers still approached me.

SJG-
What you are saying has no basis in reality, as far as Iowa is concerned, because none of the BYOB clubs in Iowa is a private membership club. All the judge said is that the law in Iowa allows BYOB nude dance theaters. (Actually, I believe they have since closed that loophole, but the clubs that existed before that loophole was closed got grandfathered in.) What happens there is none of his business and no one has ever sued since to the point where a judge had to make a ruling.

FWIW, at least 3 of the BYOB clubs in Iowa have their own liquor stores and a 4th one formerly did. But those are or were run as separate businesses, although everyone knew the club ran it.

Of course, they are doing it to be exempt from what constitutes lewdness. The part that sucks is that the cover charge to enter is so high.

Rick and Dan, SJG himself has no basis in reality. For him, every law that's on the books in his little corner of the world is on the books throughout the world. He tried arguing that BYOB clubs are membership-only and/or retail establishments, neither of which they are. He's just one of those people who's so locked into his microcosm of a life that he cannot grasp the fact that there's a big, beautiful world out there that operates on a completely different set of rules beyond his comprehension.

@PhantomGeek-
That's the one club in DSM I really like. Too bad I can't ever make myself go there anymore. Considering my current job situation, it might be a long time before I go there.

Dan, that's the only club I enjoyed there. The rest were either boring as all hell or just plain rip-offs.

I'm not going to talk to PhantomGeek, as I went through this with him before and he has ears without holes. It is pointless.

DandyDan, I'd looked up all the information about Iowa, and specifically West Des Moines. The drinking laws in Iowa are the same as most everywhere else in the country. Drinking in public places is illegal. Makes no difference if the property owner or management says you can do it or not.

This was from nationwide listings about alcohol laws. And it is also from Iowa law firms who say, "public drinking and drinking in retail places is illegal in Iowa."

If Burger King declared itself to be BYOB, then everyone who drank there would get a misdemeanor citation and they'd have a court date, and that restaurant would soon be closed.

So what then is a reasonable way to interpret these anecdotal accounts of BYOB strip clubs?

Well the only way would be if 1. It is a private house party and they don't charge money. Or 2. The management is in fact considering it to be a membership club.

And this must be what the judge said. He isn't going to say, "Okay you can be exempt from the public lewdness laws so long as people are drinking." That makes no sense. What it must have been is, "Okay you are exempt from the public lewdness laws if your business is not a public place."

Well about the only kind of business which is not a public place is a membership club.

Okay, but these guys are sly. They know that the idea of a membership club will scare people off. So they do not tell you that it is a membership club. But if challenged by LE about public drinking, they most certainly will claim it to be a membership club.

Most places the membership clubs have you produce id, and they either copy down some info or photo copy it, and have you sign a membership application.

These Iowa places apparently are not doing this.

If LE challenges them, what will happen? Will someday a judge say that a membership club which has no membership records and no signed application forms is not a membership club, it is a public place? Maybe. But these guys don't care.

So they are saying, "Great BYOB place, you can drink cheaply and get the girls loaded up too."

And this is so. But there is something else they are not telling you,

"We are classifying this as a membership club, and this is what we will claim if LE ever challenges us."

See, you can't take everything people tell you at face value, you need to look into the matters and learn more about them. And this applies all the more so at strip clubs. They know that saying it is a membership club would scare many people off.

Now specifically about this place Beach Girls in West Des Moines, they don't issue business licenses there. This is unusual. So with no alcohol license and no business license, there is probably no official record anywhere that that business even exists.

Most places require that you have a Fictitious Business Name on file with the county. But this is just to prevent vendors from getting swindled. So long as this never happens, no one is going to challenge this deficiency. So they probably just ignore that requirement.

It is an ideal set up, no official records for the business, only records on the property ownership. So it would be very hard to prove that anyone is responsible for what goes on in there.

And it looks like it is just a barn out in the middle of nowhere.

So you say some of these places own their own liquor stores. Well that requires a license. It is not the same as the bar license, but it is similar.

So why do they do all of this, forgoing the chance to make money as a bar? They do it because in those areas LE is being quite tough and considering either nudity or touching to be public lewdness or public sex acts.

So they get around this by claiming that it is a membership club. Except that they don't tell anyone this. But if and when LE challenges them, this is what they will say.

Now what they boast about is that it is BYOB. Making it a membership club allows them to do this. Without that, allowing people to drink would be illegal, and these sorts of laws are enforced. We even looked at the arrest log in West Des Moines. Like most everywhere else in the US, you do not drink in public places in West Des Moines.

So they boast about the benefits of BYOB, and indeed that is what the people on this thread seem attracted to. But this is not the reason they are exempted from public lewdness and public sex laws.

The reason they are so exempted is that they are claiming themselves as a membership club.

When dealing in this kind of realm, people are often not going to be telling you much about why they do what they do. Probably the staff has not even been told much.

This membership and BYOB model was first developed with Swingers Clubs. It works. But then in these swingers clubs they are not going to be exchanging money for sex.

Money for sex is still illegal. But in a membership club it becomes impractical to enforce.

I want to go to Sights in Newark NJ. It is a Black membership BYOB after hours club. I won't be bringing any alcohol though. That is not what attracts me to it.

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About this matter of having unlicensed businesses. This is not that uncommon. In San Mateo there is a very low profile and unlicensed strip club. They obtained this by using the back or downstairs entrance to a licensed blues bar. No advertising or descriptive signage. So nowhere was there any official record that a strip club existed in San Mateo.

There was a strip club in Redwood City which was licensed as a bar and restaurant. It ran for a long time like that, with no official record that there was a strip club in town, and back then they were doing front room FS.

After they got busted, they had to get relicensed as a non-restaurant bar and strip club, and come into compliance with the rules.

And then right now I am aware of 3 AMPs in San Jose which are simply the back door entrances to hair cutting salons. They have no signs that say "massage". This is important, as in this state massage therapists need to have an individual license. And such license holders are not going to want to be getting busted.

I was attending unlicensed strip shows in Mexican Bars, and occasionally in Viet Coffee Shops.

And now we have this post yesterday which mentions two unlicensed strip clubs currently operating in San Jose.

SJG

@san_jose_guy.

just shut the fuck up. you are an IDIOT. you’ve proven that you are the stupidest person on the planet over and over again so you can stop beating your imbecile drum.

please take note the below link is from the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission. not only is it crystal clear that BYOB is legal in Texas but about the only place it is NOT legal is in a private membership club you fucking retarded fuck. (and btw, it literally took my search engine less than half a second to find this you dumbass)

tabc.state.tx.us

BRING-YOUR-OWN-BEVERAGE (BYOB)

1. Can our guests bring their own alcoholic beverages into our establishment, or to our event, if we don't hold a TABC permit?

• There are no statewide bring-your-own-beverage (BYOB) laws in Texas. (Check with your city or county for relevant local ordinances.) There is a state law that says it's illegal to bring alcoholic beverages onto the premises of the holder of a mixed beverage permit or private club permit. Otherwise, nothing in state law prohibits a guest from bringing their own alcoholic beverages onto the premises of a bar or restaurant or other establishment that is licensed to sell wine or beer, or into an establishment that is not licensed to sell alcoholic beverages.

1. Can our guests bring their own alcoholic beverages into our establishment while we are applying for a TABC permit?

• You may allow customers to bring their own alcoholic beverages onto your premises while you are in the process of applying for a TABC permit. If you are obtaining a Wine and Beer Retailer's Permit, you can continue to allow customers to bring their own alcoholic beverages, even after you obtain a TABC permit. Some establishments that sell only wine and beer allow customers to bring in distilled spirits and sell "set-ups." This would not be legal with a Private Club or Mixed Beverage Permit.

It is important to avoid any legal violations taking place on the premises before and after obtaining a TABC permit. If the applicant becomes known for illegal activity on the premises, it will interfere with the permitting process with TABC.

1. What alcohol-related state laws apply to a Bring-Your-Own-Beverage or BYOB location or event?

o Minors Possessing or Consuming Alcohol - The punishment for making alcoholic beverages available to a minor is a class A misdemeanor, punishable by a fine up to $4,000, confinement in jail for up to a year, or both. Additionally, the violator will have his or her driver's license automatically suspended for 180 days upon conviction.

Persons 21 or older (other than the parent or guardian) can be held liable for damages caused by intoxication of a minor under 18 if the adult knowingly provided alcoholic beverages to a minor or knowingly allowed the minor to be served or provided alcoholic beverages on the premises owned or leased by the adult.

o Legal Hours of Public Consumption - The legal hours of public consumption of alcoholic beverages still apply to BYOB establishments or special events held in a public place. Even if the location does not hold a TABC permit, the guests can't drink alcoholic beverages on the premises all night long.

Legal hours of public consumption begin a 7am Monday through Saturday, and begin at noon on Sunday. Legal hours of public consumption end at 2:15am if the area is legal for extended hours. Otherwise, legal hours of public consumption end at 12:15am Sunday night through Friday night, and 1:15am Saturday night.

o Public Intoxication - Chapter 49.02 of the Texas Penal Code states: "A person commits an offense if the person appears in a public place while intoxicated to the degree that the person may endanger the person or another."

1. What is the definition of a Public Place?

Chapter 1.07(40) of the Penal Code defines a public place as "any place to which the public or a substantial group of the public has access and includes, but is not limited to, streets, highways, and the common areas of schools, hospitals, apartment houses, office buildings, transport facilities and shops." More to the point, Chapter 47.01(8) specifically excludes restaurants, taverns, and nightclubs from being private places.

and before you start in with some diatribe about Texas being some sort of right-wing aberration, how about this from left-wing Pennsylvania. again note the “pa(dot)gov” website you stupid asswipe

lcb.state.pa.us

BRING YOUR OWN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE (“BYOB”)

There is nothing in the Liquor Code or the Board’s Regulations that prohibits an individual from bringing his or her own alcohol into any establishment, as long the alcohol is legally procured, whether or not the establishment possesses a license issued by the Board. An establishment is, therefore, free to allow or disallow patrons from bringing their own alcohol onto its premises

That is curious about Texas. Curious to see how many of their counties and cities have their own laws.

In most of the US, and in the place in question, Iowa, BYOB in a retail business is illegal. In Iowa it is a state law, and this is clearly explained on the web pages of Iowa law firms.

I'm not saying these BYOB strip clubs are doing anything wrong. I'm just explaining that the reason they can do BYOB is because they are claiming to the authorities that they are membership clubs. This is so, even if they don't inform their "members" or their staff.

They don't want their customers to be frightened of by the idea of membership.

The reason they do this is to get out from under public lewdness and public sex acts laws. So I like the business model.

SJG

now shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about and if you have any doubts that means shut the fuck up about EVERYTHING

DoctorPhil, do you live in a place which allows drinking and BYOB in public places. Is this in the US? Might I ask where?

Swingers Clubs were the first to have to go into this membership area, because they wanted to charge money, but they did not want to be busted for public lewdness or sex acts.

They did not need to have alcohol. But making their clubs membership clubs, did allow them to allow BYOB. So it is a secondary result, not the main issue.

I think it good that some strip clubs are also starting to follow the same model.

But I do understand why at these places, Iowa and else where, they don't want their customers to know that they are becoming members. Many customers would not like this idea.

SJG

How dare anyone ever question SJG. He has never been wrong about anything ever.

^^^^^^ my gawd! there really is no limit to your stupidity is there! look you fucking moron there is no super, double secret membership swinger’s club business model for underground BYOB strip clubs or Mexican hat dancing circuits. that asinine idea is nothing more than the product of the cacophony of all the insane voices in your drug addled head.

now shut the fuck up you uneducated imbecile because i have no intention of going through all the alcohol regulations state by state trying to convince you that the floating watermelon above your head isn’t real.

and you can also stop with the psycho PMs you fucking tard

sorry @ime. you seem to have jumped between me and my comments to the ass clown or as @lopaw so accurately described him, the "creepy sociopath".

No worries

Anyway SJG fails logic again, you can't have a private club without it having members and a membership which you sign up for so how they could pull that off doesn't seem feasible. I have been at private clubs (not strip clubs) where they were private because they could serve alcohol without selling food, not BYOB. The BYOB strip clubs like Southside Johnny's in Greensboro is not private nor requires member ship and they do not have alcohol but you can bring it so it just seems that maybe SJG's little corner of CA is one way but it is not universal or federal. SJG as usual go fuck yourself.

SJG -- Honestly, I'm not sure if you need to get out more often or stay in more often...

Anywho, this was a discussion on what types of booze is good to bring to BYOB clubs before it became a heated debate on state-by-state liquor laws.

I've spent very little time in BYOB places. Crown is good, but if you want to stand out from the pack, then Grand Marnier is a crowd pleaser.

Ishmael

Haven't we explained this to sjg before?

People who run strip clubs and other businesses which get into such areas will manipulate the rules the ways they want. They can say to the authorities that it is a membership club, and hence exempt from the laws against drinking in public places, even though the supposed members themselves don't know that this is going on.

The reason they do this though is not because they would not like to be making money at bar prices. It is because they need to get out from under the laws pertaining to lewdness and sex acts in public places.

We would never have had anything like a strip clubs unless people, like in San Francisco in the 60's and being represented by Melvin Belli, were willing to challenge laws and find ways around them. Read Belli's memoirs.

Will these strip clubs that advertise BYOB, and get to do this because they tell the authorities that they are membership clubs, get away with it long term? Hard to say. But as you should have seen with jackslash's post yesterday, there are now two unlicensed strip clubs running in San Jose, and going way beyond what any of the licensed and advertised clubs ever could. So in such an arena people do what they need to do and take their chances.

A judge deciding that public lewdness and sex act laws don't apply when people are bringing their own alcohol? Not likely. It had to have been because the place was no longer a public place, because it was a membership club.

DoctorPhil, Ime, Call.Me.Ishmael, and chessmaster, you can scream all you want, but if you want to understand the legal frameworks that these clubs have to operate in, then you have much to learn.

The United States is probably the toughest country on the face of the earth for alcohol restrictions. No where in Europe is it anything like it is here.

You don't have to believe me, just take it up with the Iowa criminal defense firms we looked up before. Or if you want, just go to Iowa and start drinking out in public, and then you will soon be needing a criminal defense lawyer.

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I've been to strip clubs and AMPs which did not even exist, because they were just the back entrance to something else. So the biz name, the owner's name, or the idea that it was a Strip Club or an AMP did not exist on any official record.

People do what they need to do, and they are not going to sit down and explain it to you.

Long term most such things don't work. They aren't expected to. And besides there are usually larger illegalities going on on regular basis.

SJG

This is an act right? You can't really be this stupid.

SJG We try to give you a benefit of a doubt, yet once again you start preaching. READ THE TOPIC. If you don't drink alcohol, then DON'T COMMENT

Go to Iowa and do some drinking in public, like on sidewalks and in retail places. Then you'll be needing a lawyer and so you'll find out for yourself what they have already posted on their web sites.

If I'm talking to you IME, then I'm pretty stupid.

So I'm not going to do it anymore.

SJG

Grey Goose and Ciroc. But I didn't know BYOB clubs really existed? Would have gotten me lots of pussy with the amount of bottles I would be willing to bring. It's crazy how cheap bottles can be at a liquor store vs a club.

mikeya02, if you read the entire thread you'll see that I am only responding to people who have gotten insulting and argumentative.

My initial two posts were just to suggest that though a club my promote itself as BYOB, that is not necessarily it's main appeal.

That is, they could have said, No Alcohol. They are just trying to be accommodating.

The appeal, as I see it, is that they have gotten out from under the laws pertaining to public places. Seems many are resistant to seeing this. But it is nonetheless true.

So in a strip club which is no longer classified as a public place, besides drinking without a liquor license, there are lots of other fun things you might do.

This is certainly what I hope to be doing, say at Sights in Newark.

SJG

Bring anything that's advertised that young people know about. So everything in the rap videos because the "good" stuff won't get a second glance unless the woman is an alcohol connoisseur. Otherwise strippers will not give a fuck.

San jose gay the thread is about booze and strippers not drinking on the street in Iowa, your so focused on your batshit crazy thoughts and agendas you dont even make sense in the thread you fuckin loony toon. Seek help man, or maybe just play in traffic.

I suggested an alternative take on BYOB strip clubs, that maybe what is best about them is not that you can drink cheaply and get girls drunk, but rather that BYOB is just a selling point. The real issue is that they have gotten out from under the laws restricting conduct in public places, and so there might be more appealing about these clubs then alcohol.

If people didn't respond, and then if people didn't get argumentative and belligerent, then I would have just dropped it.

SJG

Damn, this thread got hijacked. I usually bring beer because that is what I drink. Most strippers are not beer drinkers. I have brought Hypnotiq a few times to BYOB clubs, and I barely had a glass before the girls drank the whole bottle.

@Sinclair, do you think being able to drink cheaply, being able to get girls drunk. or being able to lure them to your table are the most important aspects of BYOB clubs? And do you think girls who get drunk are the most desirable ones to interact with?

RickDugan wrote,
" In some places, byob nude joints are no more permissive than other clubs."

But he probably is not the best one to judge this, as he doesn't seem to go for physical friendliness on site. And also, permissiveness is relative to the jurisdiction in question.

DandyDan counters RickDugan saying that in at least some places they are only able to have full nudity because of BYOB.

Now there is still some disagreement as to exactly how this is working. But it is still a greater freedom which is being had by not having an alcohol license.

I think the advantage of BYOB clubs is that usually more could be done ITC. And then though billed as BYOB, that does not mean that one has to go there to drink. It is just a courtesy being offered to those who do want to drink. And then as far as the girls, the less they are drinking and the less they are used to habitual drinking, the better.

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