Guns
JohnSmith69
layin low but staying high
I have a question for those of you who own and carry guns.
One of the dozens of wonderful new freedoms that I have as a divorced guy is the ability to buy, own and carry guns. The frigid ex-ball and chain was a gun control freak. About the only thing she felt more strongly about than refusing sex was bashing guns.
So I'm taking a concealed carry class soon and then buying my personal arsenal while it's still legal to do so. I've been reading up on gun safety, shooting with my sons, and researching guns. I'm starting with hand guns although I'll move next to shotguns, hunting rifles, assault rifles, etc
On handguns I'm pretty sold on Glocks and will no doubt buy at least a couple. But I want a variety of handguns in every caliber of various sizes. So my main question is what brands of handguns would be best besides Glocks and in what calibers?
If liberals want to challenge my purchase of guns, feel free. It's a free country, at least until the government or courts effectively repeal the second amendment. But here's a recent example from Detroit of the reason I plan to carry. Tens of thousands of similar examples could be cited. If law abiding citizens were carrying this crap would not happen, and if it did happen scum bags like this would be dead. I will not depend upon the cops to keep me or my family safe.
http://dailym.ai/1CJZFbB
Thanks for any helpful advice.
One of the dozens of wonderful new freedoms that I have as a divorced guy is the ability to buy, own and carry guns. The frigid ex-ball and chain was a gun control freak. About the only thing she felt more strongly about than refusing sex was bashing guns.
So I'm taking a concealed carry class soon and then buying my personal arsenal while it's still legal to do so. I've been reading up on gun safety, shooting with my sons, and researching guns. I'm starting with hand guns although I'll move next to shotguns, hunting rifles, assault rifles, etc
On handguns I'm pretty sold on Glocks and will no doubt buy at least a couple. But I want a variety of handguns in every caliber of various sizes. So my main question is what brands of handguns would be best besides Glocks and in what calibers?
If liberals want to challenge my purchase of guns, feel free. It's a free country, at least until the government or courts effectively repeal the second amendment. But here's a recent example from Detroit of the reason I plan to carry. Tens of thousands of similar examples could be cited. If law abiding citizens were carrying this crap would not happen, and if it did happen scum bags like this would be dead. I will not depend upon the cops to keep me or my family safe.
http://dailym.ai/1CJZFbB
Thanks for any helpful advice.
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I also own a Walther PPK .380 and a S&W .357 magnum revolver. Both are nice pistols, but the Glock is better for self-defense.
Wish I could offer some advice on guns, but I really don't know anything about them. I'm just not a gun person.
I highly recommend the Chiappa Rhino for a great combination of stopping power and concealment. It's bottom of the cylinder barrel placement makes it highly accurate for a compact carry piece.
The other things you'll want to do, since many self-defense situations happen at night, is get a good flashlight that has an acceptable tactical UI (many lights being sold as defensive lights do NOT -- but you may want some training to understand why) and at least basic low-light training. Regardless, remember the rule: positively identify your target. That means you better have a light.
Lastly, if you'll be doing outside carry, a little training in how to fight your way to your firearm can be a lifesaver.
If you are comfortable with your gun everything else will fall into place. Listen to the concealed carry instructors and follow the basic rules of gun safety. You will be fine. Have fun with it.
And those bastards in Detroit, in the story you linked to, should be shot on sight and never see the light of day, much less a prison, ever again.
Corvus, you know that won't happen. If they are caught, there will be a trial, an appeal, a retrial, and another appeal. Maybe they finally get convicted, spend a fraction of their sentence in jail and then get out early. Probably cost taxpayers a million dollars. Instead, if the boyfriends are armed and knew what they're doing, the scum bags are dead and we keep our tax money. A win win.
But I gotta admit – especially living in Miami – it has crossed my mind that I may want to carry – especially if I end up getting into it w/ someone at the black dives I frequent – and I've had some run-ins but nothing that escalated to anything serious.
One more thing, if you ever find yourself in the position of needing to use your gun (not just pull it out, but use it) make sure and kill the bastard. That way there is only one story for the cops to gather, yours. "Officer, the last thing he said was 'I'm going to kill you' so I defended myself".
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I like the advice from bubba267. For home defense go with a shotgun. You don't need marksmanship training and the shotgun is a simple device that has minimal chance of failure.
My grandpa's 100 year old shotgun continues to serve me well, ridding my yard of cats, skunks, porcupines, and similar useless critters. Should the need ever arise I am comfortable that the old gun would be similarly effective against a human.
I do favor some gun control, especially background checks. But I'm convinced our income equally gap causes more murders than gun availability.
Brilliant!
Seriously though, what do you want the gun for? Hunting? Target shooting? Self defense? Let your goals and comfort with different firearms guide you! You talked about concealed carry but how comfortable are you with guns overall? I'm actually not sure carting around concealed weapon is a good idea unless you're comfortable with and can use it effectively!
I prefer 9mm for concealed carry/self defense.
Shotguns are instead well suited for home defense.
If you do end up shooting someone, make sure they are inside your house facing you.
Shooting someone in the back who was previously in your house, but now on your front lawn while they are running away is a recipe for disaster, even if you feel you have the right to do it, the courts/judge will probably see differently.
I agree. If you're gonna shoot someone, shoot to kill. Only one person with a story to tell then.
KelTech makes a decent .380 for the money
Here is my take. Go to a gun shop and just have them pull a bunch of guns out so you can feel which one fits your hands. Because just like women.... different ones feel different and everyone has their own personal preference. I hate glocks because they are too bulky for my hands. But they are great guns.
The S&W MP are great guns. So are CZ's. I love the PO7 model. Great little 9mm that is a compact yet small enough to carry and conceal. Beretta's are awesome guns as well.
Now if you are looking for personal protection..... I would get a 9mm. People will tell you .40 cal, 45 cal, etc. They say more knock down and what not. That is all true. The 9mm ammunition now a says is better and will pack a punch. But the thing with a 9mm... is it can carry more rounds. Now your average joe gun owner are not crack shots. So if you life is on the line would you want 10 rounds or 17 rounds??? That is all your call.
Now for shot gun and rifles..... I could go on and on. If you want more info feel free to PM me. Lets just say if all hell breaks loose in this country.... People will want to be my friends with the guns I have in my collection. But I know others have just as many or even more.
Also true in Kennsaw, Ga since 1982.
Unless you are in a multi-person shoot'em up situation, I think 17 rounds isn't useful at all. There is a lot more safety and lethality in being able to reliably hit the target with your first two or three shots than spraying 17 misses. The lighter ammo load also means a lighter, more maneuverable gun.
I'd go with a .40 with a small magazine. Glock, Sig or Beretta - whichever feels best in your hand and is easiest to access and pull out of your holster. Your holster, or holsters, that will vary with your wardrobe, will be at least as important a decision.
Most important of all is attitude. Before you buy, examine yourself and answer: Can I use this gun to end another person's life without hesitation?
Thank God I have never felt the need to own a handgun, though I a pretty handy with rifles. If I ever feel that I do, I will be able to answer "yes".
If I couldn't get my aim right, I'd go with one of the Taurus 8-shot revolvers. That way after I missed with my shots I could bludgeon the guy to death. ;-)
You should go to your local range and try out several different small arms (most ranges will rent or loan different weapons). If your range also sells weapons, they probably will let you try a weapon before you buy. Some people are uncomfortable with a handgun that does not have a safety (like my S&W 9MM and the little Ruger 380). Others like the idea of draw and shoot without flipping switches or any other delay. It is a good idea to experiment with several different options before picking your first weapon.
For home defense, you just can not beat a 12 guage short, in either semi or pump. In most states you can legally buy a 3 or 4 round pump 12Ga with an 18(and 1/2) inch barrell. Combined with a short stock, and maybe a pistol grip, the weapon is easily pointed toward a threat and you do not have to be exact. Whether the intruder is human, bear or other, even a miss is likely to result in the intruder making a very fast exit.
And din't overlook the "lowly" .22 rimfire rifle. As a learning platform, varmit gun and target shooter, a bolt action or semi .22 rifle is inexpensive fun. Especially considering the cost of ammo these days, popping off a brick (500 rounds) of .22 is a lot less expensive than sighting in an AR-15 chambered in .308 Winchester!!