Molly

JohnSmith69
layin low but staying high
DS wants me to try it with her. Has anybody ever done Molly before? If so, should I do it?

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impala
9 years ago
Molly is a very concentrated form of ecstasy and in the amphetamine class of synthetic narcotic drugs. I have never personally used it but have known several people who have and from what I have been told many times the negative effects well outway the euphoria feelings you get. Some of the side effects can included paranoia, dangerious increases in heart rate and blood pressure, muscle cramping and convulsions, false sence of reality, insomnia, impotence, and decreased production of red blood cells. In addition, the effects often times last not for hours but for days. It is a highly addictive drug, many sources saying that one can becomes hooked after only one dose, and being a synthetic narcotic it is often "cut" with other less desireable substances to make it go further. The AMA says that it is one of the easiest to overdose on and is becoming an epidemic in hospital ER rooms.

Now, that being said, if you are going to try it, make sure you are in a safe place and have your medical information readily available. Not trying to scare you, just heard some really bad stories about the stuff.
san_jose_guy
9 years ago
Thanks impala for that info. I had no idea what JS69 was talking about. He really is going off the deep end. Mark my words, pretty soon he'll even be a Born Again Christian, just like his sugar baby ( DS ).

SJG

Humble Pie, 1972, Chicago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqB512Gl…
impala
9 years ago
The shit is really nasty. From what I have heard, basically it's a hardline drug that is being used when ecstasy no longer really works because your body has built up tolerance to it or other amphetamines. Because it's so concentrated it hits you almost immediately and you have no real chance to know if something is going wrong with it. Really recommend he not take any.
rockstar666
9 years ago
BTDT. I'm not a fan, and not sure how harmless it is, but if I were with a fuckable 19 year old who wanted to share I'd go for it. I've done worse.
san_jose_guy
9 years ago
I would not and have not associated with women who expect drug use to be part of the relationship. Didn't do that when I was their age. Don't do it now, and not going to do it.

I listen to music made by people who use drugs, but that is as far as I go.

SJG
rockstar666
9 years ago
Case in point: I was with my ATF a few months ago and she started pulverizing some pills to snort. I had no idea what it was at the time, but what the hell, you know? Turned out to be Adderall. I can't say it had the impact of molly though. I suppose after all the drugs I've done in my youth, the only thing I don't do is meth, crack and heroin.
impala
9 years ago
I'll stick to scotch
san_jose_guy
9 years ago
It's not so much that I believe that I would do irreparable harm to myself from dabbling use. And I certainly don't go along with conservative or Christian moralisms. Rather it comes down to two issues:

1. When I was elementary school age they put on an anti-drug education program for us. They brought in former drug addicts and they talked to use and they showed us movies. Most of the addicts where people who'd ended up doing petty thefts and prostitution to get money for their heroin habits. This was when I first had explained to me what prostitution was.

What they all said was that it started with peer pressure. This was the reason the school was putting on the programs, to immunize us from anyone claiming that because they use drugs, they know more than we do or they are more worldly or more mature.

Well, I don't submit to peer pressure, pressure to be part of the tribe. When I was elementary school age I'd looked at the then teenagers and to me they seemed like idiots. Most of all I saw how much my parents were like them. I had already decided that I was not going to be like my parents. To me they seemed warped and degenerated.

2. In the years of adulthood I have further decided that being in touch with one's feelings is the way to live. So I practice daily just feeling my feelings and working towards the sort of mindfulness associated with Eastern religion.

So of course I have zero interest in chemical mood alterants of any type. Sex yes, as that is part of Tantra and sex is something I am deeply committed to. But otherwise, being as grounded and mindful as possible is what I seek 24 hours per day. Zero interest in any kind of escapism.

SJG
JohnSmith69
9 years ago
I have not gone off the deep end yet. If so I would've already taken it instead of asking first. I am considering maybe taking one half the dose that she takes to try it out. She says if you smoke weed that coming down is easy. The thing that worries me is the effect on your heart since I'm not 19 anymore even though she makes me feel like I am.

Appreciate any further comments, especially any one who has tried it. I am planning to research it on line and talk to some dancers about their experience before I decide.
san_jose_guy
9 years ago
I don't use drugs because I've always seen it as silly and pointless, but not because I necessarily see it as immoral or excessively dangerous.

I have already gone thru my midlife crisis, actually started when I was in my 30's.

So it is very unlikely that I would hook up with a young sugar baby who uses drugs, as I don't support that. As this is not coming from conservative morality, I am not going to rebel against it. I just don't support the use of drugs, alcohol, or tobacco, or psychiatric medications either.

But JS69, you seem to be rebelling against the way you have lived. I guess it is rebelling against conservative morality.

I don't need to rebel against conservative morality because I have never supported it in the first place. I've always felt that it was wrong. For one thing, it was against sex except for procreation. So I could never possibly support it.

I feel that you are going off the deep end, doing stupid stuff and causing problems for yourself, and for no reason.

SJG
shailynn
9 years ago
Adderall snorted usually can keep you focused especially if you're not normally ADD (attention deficit disorder). Best for when you're somewhere like Vegas and want to stay up for 48 hours with only getting about 4 hours of rest... When you go that hard, a redbull or 5 hour energy won't due the trick.

Now Molly/ecstasy. Originally "X" was know to have fillers so people could cut the drug down. I have even heard people using small amounts of laundry detergent for fillers. Along comes Molly which is supposed to be the pure form of MDMA (see definition below) but later people just started lacing that shit as well and sometimes people laced it with bad fillers making taking the drug potentially lethal.

If you're going to take it, here's what I would recommend (uh not that I've ever done it before). 1. I would only take half a pill at most, since it's your first time. depending on your size I may even recommend 1/4 a pill. 2. don't take any alcohol, if the pill is good you won't need alcohol anyway but MDMA is known to dehydrate the body and with drinking alcohol that's too much dehydration for you to make up. 3. Drink lots of fluids as in water or a sport drink to keep yourself hydrated. 4. Be prepared, whenever you take it you're probably not going to be able to sleep for 8-10 hours even though you may feel tired in the end. Don't take this shit at 1am, take it at 9pm. 5. Don't drive and don't go out in public unless it's somewhere dark. MDMA will make most people's eyes dialate something awful and police can easily pick up on this.


MDMA (contracted from 3,4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine) is a psychoactive drug of the substituted methylenedioxyphenethylamine and substituted amphetamine classes of drugs that is consumed primarily for its euphoric and empathogenic effects. Pharmacologically, MDMA acts as a serotonin-norepinephrine-dopamine releasing agent and reuptake inhibitor.
rockstar666
9 years ago
JS69: The biggest danger is dehydration and heat stroke. Make sure you drink a lot of water and don't dance yourself to death in a hot club. Or invite me over and I'll share with your DS!
san_jose_guy
9 years ago
Staying chemical free and being mindful and in touch with one's feelings will always give the best sexual capabilities and the best quality of experience.

I would not have any interest in a young woman who for some reason does not understand this.

SJG
Mate27
9 years ago
Be prepared to take a week off in order to recover if you do try it. I'd say weed is a much safer alternative. He'll even mushrooms for that fact, if u want a similar experience.
shailynn
9 years ago
^^^^ nah he should be fine. It might be a little rough since he's older but the worst I have felt is similar to a hangover the next morning and tired due to not being able to fall asleep. I certainly wouldn't do this if I had to be somewhere (i.e. work) the next morning.
warhawks
9 years ago

One thing no one has mentioned, if your place of employment does drug screens or random drug screening, it will possibly show up, depending on how long ago you took it/is in your system.

Not worth the chance, IMO.
Corvus
9 years ago
Let us know when you going to take it. That way if we do not hear from you again we will know you died.
rockstar666
9 years ago
shailynn makes a good point. You have to book a block of time because you won't sleep for a day. But with your DS it WILL be worth it!
JohnSmith69
9 years ago
rockstar, very funny but no fucking way.

Corvus, it means so much to me that you care so deeply about my well being.

SJG, yes I'm rebelling against social norms that say I need to be a good little boy and settle for what my wife gives me. But I don't plan to die in the process, thus this post.

mikeya02
9 years ago
I do not advise this John. Instead, I advise cocaine, bud, beers, great music, and sex all night long.
Corvus
9 years ago
Well, John, we would miss you and your great DS stories.
just_the_nuts
9 years ago
Molly is great for sex

Cocaine is not...cock dick is not funny
seaboardrr
9 years ago
I would scale it back. You just keep going harder and harder. No way would I take molly, cocaine, heroin or anything of the sort. If you want something safe and easy just stick with the hallucinogenics. Why don't you and your DS simply take some acid together and fuck. Turn the lights down, put on some Cocteau Twins, stare in the mirror to see your face melt off and get a good laugh together then fuck like rabbits all night.
shadowcat
9 years ago
Who says that marijuana is NOT a gateway drug?
mikeya02
9 years ago
Nuts, you are wrong. My coke dick is not your coke dick :)
Papi_Chulo
9 years ago
Yeah – if you've never been a regular or hard drug user; don't really think is a good idea trying what appears to be a hard drug like Moly – so the fact you are 50 and not a regular drug user; seems some bad shit could possibly happen.

I've never done any drugs but most say pot is not a hard drug – personally I don't think it's a good idea to be experimenting w/ hard stuff that can very potentially affect your health or worse yet make you into a regular user or addict in the future.

If you were a loser; then what the hell – but there seems to be too many possible downsides and risks you don't really need to be taking – and I've def heard countless stories of addicts who became users via their partners.
chandler
9 years ago
I did ecstasy a couple of times decades ago, before its dangers were well known. I liked it but my instincts told me it could mess up my head if I kept doing it.

Strippers have asked me to do molly with them before. I turned it down, because it was obvious to me that they didn't know shit about where it came from or what it might have been cut with. I wouldn't ingest any drug because some stripper wanted me to.
Diva1975
9 years ago
Just don't ingest any substances and drive John. I like you be careful
just_the_nuts
9 years ago
If u do molly drink a lot of water dawg
JamesSD
9 years ago
I haven't, former roommate was very into it. He didn't recommend it without a sober chaparogne.
mikeya02
9 years ago
John, one thing, Do you take cialis or viagra? Hows that work with mollies?
just_the_nuts
9 years ago
Orange juice makes molly work better
eyeamlong
9 years ago
@JS69, Go to youtube ,, click on Grandfunk Railroad -Paranoid , you and your DS , should be dropping that molly by now...
Papi_Chulo
9 years ago
Why don't you do Molly Ringwald instead – you do like redheads don't you?
4got2wipe
9 years ago
"Why don't you do Molly Ringwald instead – you do like redheads don't you?"

Brilliant!
4got2wipe
9 years ago
Seriously though, why take the risks of drugs? So much fun can be had without them!

Do heed Diva1975's brilliant advice, whatever you do! No drugging (or drinking) and driving!
Bavarian
9 years ago
Don't do it JS69. We want you to be able to write more about your DS escapades.
rh48hr
9 years ago
JS - I'm not the one to advise on effects (I've never done drugs) but I can't think of one good reason for you to do Molly. To many dangers and not enough benefits. Especially if you are already having spectacular sex with your DS. Just my two cents because you asked. Just be safe if you choose to do it.
Subraman
9 years ago
Molly has become more valuable stripper currency than cocaine around here. And strippers don't just do it on their own time, there's girls rolling right in the club. Weird. Anyway, totally get where you are mentally, JS. If you do decide to do it, it will be a pretty amazing sensual experience with your DS, most likely I can't see myself trying it, but if I did, I'd follow the advice of the guys above -- as little as 1/4 pill, early in the night, and just sit tight. Fill up a half gallon of water and finish it by the time the night is over...

I personally
Greyfox
9 years ago
Some of the posts here have information that’s not accurate so let me give you my first hand thoughts. I’m not a frequent user but I’ve rolled many times, and do it from smaller to large EDM shows and festivals.

The first thing to note is that, a large percentage of the time the “molly” being advertised is not actually pure MDMA, but rather some MDMA (or MDA) cut with other substances. This is why it’s crucial to get a test kit and actually test what you are getting. You’re putting something in your body so you need to know exactly what it is. Personally, I use this test kit but any reagent test kit will work:
https://dancesafe.org/product/marquis-re…

If you absolutely trust the source then you can skip the test kit but I still advise using it since people out there tend to distribute bad batches of drugs.
Second thing to note, the “standard” dosage is 100mg as long as it’s MDMA. If it’s MDA then you the dosage is generally half that of MDMA, so MDMA = 100mg per dosage and MDA = 50mg per dosage. The frequency of the past rolls and size/weight do matter as well, and since I’ve seen you in person the “standard” dosage applies to you. The suggestions some gave of taking only half the pill is fine, however you still need to know the initial dosage of the pill. For example, certain types of presses/pills come contain more MDMA then the “standard” anyway so you need to know what that base dosage is before halving it. There are some common presses of pills that you can research online and find out how much MDMA is in them. A good site to read up information on this is http://www.pillreports.net (on the left side, click search reports and type in the description of the pill)

If the MDMA you are doing is not a pill but instead a gelcap which contains the powder itself, you’ll need to ask how much of a dosage it has in it.
The roll itself generally feels very good. Contrary to what some have said, sex is not all that great during a roll. You get that euphoric feeling and get horny but it’s usually hard to ‘get it up’ while rolling so more than likely you’ll just be making out which is really fun during the roll.
As others have said, it’s important to stay hydrated so drink plenty of water throughout the roll. If you are going to roll, try not to eat immediately before the roll. If anything, eat early in the day but don’t eat for at least a couple of hours before you start the roll, otherwise it takes much longer to kick in. If you roll on a relatively empty stomach it’ll start much faster, maybe ~ 30-45 min.

About 1 hour before you roll, take a Magnesium pill (500mg dosage will work). This will help relax your jaws and help stop jaw clenching which often happens during the roll. This brings us to the next point – during the roll chew gum. You won’t notice it during the roll but you will most likely clench your jaws and also bite your lips. The gum keeps your mouth busy and will prevent you from biting your lips. There was one occasion where I forgot to bring gum and my lips were very swollen the next day, it was not fun.

If you decide to take more than one pill, give yourself at least an hour after the roll starts before you re-dose and take another pill. This is different for every person so you generally have to see how you’re feeling and determine it yourself, but the general guideline is to re-dose every hour if you plan on doing multiple doses.
Often times during the roll (mostly early in the roll as it kicks in) your stomach will hurt and you’ll get the feeling you want to vomit. If this happens, make yourself burp and the feeling will go away and it’ll help get you through that initial hump. Once that part is over, it’ll kick in and you’ll start feeling good, but sometimes that’s the tough part, getting over that initial crappy feeling.

Aside from the bad feeling in your stomach, it’s really unlikely that you’ll have a ‘bad’ roll. This isn’t like LSD where you can have a bad trip so as long you take the correct dosage and don’t overdo it, you’ll be fine. The bad part is the next day. Recovery doesn’t take a week; it usually takes a couple of days to get back to normal. You’ll be very tired so make sure you have a full day to recover the following day. Take vitamins, drink OJ and get rest the next day. To help with the recovery and your mood, I’d recommend taking some 5HTP which will help rebuild your serotonin.

In summary, I’d recommend trying it at least once to see how you like it. Don’t make the mistake of getting hooked on it though. In some cases people who roll like that euphoric feeling so much the build a dependency on MDMA and abuse it because they want to reach that high every time. This is very dangerous so please be safe and learn how to have self-control. Those who abuse it also don’t realize that it kills the magic when they do it so frequently. At *minimum* you should wait at least 30 days between your rolls because you need to give your body time to rebuild and recover.
Let me know if you have any other questions and I’ll be glad to help.

DoctorPhil
9 years ago
hey did anyone think to ask san_jose_guy if he has any thoughts on molly or drugs in general. that dude is definitely a stoner from way back. all the way back to his first suckle from his mother’s teat in the hippie commune before she got clean and sober and became an evangelical christian. there is no way that anybody as brain damaged as san_jose_guy could have gotten that way without constant use of drugs

it is too bad that the one and only time he has firsthand experience with something under discussion that he hasn’t offered an opinion
DoctorPhil
9 years ago
maybe if someone wants to discuss gravy he'll chime in
JohnSmith69
9 years ago
Thanks to everyone who responded, and those who may continue to respond. I know we give each other a lot of shit, but many of you were clearly concerned for my well being and I appreciate that. And yes that includes you SJG.

I did want to make clear, so what's going on is fully accurate, that the DS has not pressured me to take Molly or any other drug. In fact weed and Molly are the only two she has ever mentioned us doing together, and she leaves it totally up to me. She just mentioned Molly as something that she thought would enhance our relationship by allowing us to experience it together. I am positive that there will be no judgment or criticism from her if I say no. She also clearly recognizes, although she is nice in how she says it, that I'm a lot older and I can't necessarily do all the stuff to my body that she does to hers.

In any event I'm gonna study this a while, and talk to the DS some more, before I decide. Right now I'm leaning against it, but if I try it I will follow all the safety advice like testing, low dose, water, etc. I may seem out of control with her, and sexually maybe I am, but I'm not stupid and I'm not generally a big risk taker. I don't wanna die until I can at least see SJG move out of his mom's basement and go on that motorhome strip club tour. I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon, so most likely I'll be around for a while longer at least. Had a new sex story to share from last night but will save that for another time.
JohnSmith69
9 years ago
Grey fox, your detaiked comments were particularly helpful so thanks for that. I may try to get the DS to test what she's taking as part of our discussions. If it's a bunch of harmful or dangerous shit she needs to know that.
crazyjoe
9 years ago
Molly fucked a zebra
gawker
9 years ago
I've taken MDMA twice. It's disorienting but very pleasurable. Feelings and emotions are magnified: " I looovvveee you, DS. Once the effect was almost psychedelic with distorted colors and warped vision. The first time it was just me and the ATF. Sex was good but almost secondary to everything else going on.
The second time I was at a house party and the music was too loud, the background noise was distracting and overall not as enjoyable. It is in theory pure ecstacy.
tumblingdice
9 years ago
And the band played on.
seaboardrr
9 years ago
"This isn’t like LSD where you can have a bad trip......."

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllll.........hoping not to start a whole digression into good and bad trips but you're only going to have a bad LSD trip if you CONVINCE yourself it's going to be a bad trip.
Greyfox
9 years ago
"Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllll.........hoping not to start a whole digression into good and bad trips but you're only going to have a bad LSD trip if you CONVINCE yourself it's going to be a bad trip."

I agree, and you are right. As long as you don't focus on having a bad trip, chances are a bad trip won't happen. My comment was more about comparing the effects of the two and the type of impact it has on you mentally. That is, it is technically possible to have a bad trip (i.e. if you keep focusing on the negatives or are in an unfamiliar environment) vs MDMA where you can't really have a 'bad' roll.
rentz2
9 years ago
There a lot of people talking about Molly here that have no idea what they are talking about and pot isn't a gateway drug. Take it if you want. Drink water and if you are worried about if it pure get a testing kit.
motorhead
9 years ago
Personally, I'd pass on any drug Miley Cyrus uses. Seems to lead to bad haircut choices.
ATACdawg
9 years ago
Amen, moto. Although, in Miley's case it may have been having to listen to her daddy sing "Achy Breaky Heart" all those years .....
4got2wipe
9 years ago
"Personally, I'd pass on any drug Miley Cyrus uses. Seems to lead to bad haircut choices."

Brilliant!
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