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Strip Clubs Offer a Useful Service To Society!

Friday, January 7, 2005 11:32 AM
Basically, there is nothing that nefarious about strip clubs. Granted some of the strippers take the fantasy act too far and rip customers off. But, this is an uncommon event, and the customers who get burned may even want to be “used” at an unconscious level. Customers need to get educated about strippers and strip clubs, develop realistic expectations, and act accordingly. Reading this Board will help educate customers, as well as strippers who participate here. A sane and informed customer is very unlikely to get burned, and a sane and informed stripper is unlikely to try. That aside, I believe strip clubs offer a useful service to society. They allow hassle-free access to women that otherwise would not be available to many men. Indeed, a common customer is that of a middle-age man, likely married, who has some extra cash and wants exposure to a younger woman – access that doesn’t jeopardize his marriage. Monogamy is not necessarily biologically inherent, and it’s natural for most men to seek younger women, especially after their main squeeze has gone through menopause. Harems, mistresses, and polygamy are as old as mankind. Another common customer is a younger man out “on-the-town.” Dates are sometimes hard to find, especially with a really attractive women. Strippers provide access for these younger men, who would also benefit from some experience. I’ve also seen paraplegics and other crippled men buying dances from women they would never even get to talk to – maybe we should offer those altruistic strippers willing to spend time with them a humanitarian medal! I could go on-and-on, but the BOTTOM LINE is that I want to thank strippers for agreeing to strip and society for letting them do it. I seriously doubt that strippers cause any serious long-term damage, especially for well-informed, mature customers who have realistic expectations. I ask strippers to perform their jobs with ethics and sensitivity to the customer – you are doing more good than you might think.

23 comments

  • Mouse
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    19 years ago
    TGG, Thanks for your comments. Like you, I find strippers enjoyable, but everything in moderation - both emotionally and financially. It takes a mature, well informed customer to enjoy strip clubs without getting into trouble. Some get too wrapped-up in the strippers (ie., become RIL) - a big mistake. The strippers are there to make money, not friends. Hence, go to enjoy the sights, sounds, feels, and converstion - but , remember customers are getting what they PAY for. Without that "green charm," nothing is going to happen!
  • TopGunGlen
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    19 years ago
    Good posts, Mouse. I think you are writing your thesis, and this board is one of your reseach projects, as well as the clubs...:-) Beautiful women, scanty or no clothes, healthy heterosexual men...Yes, indeed clubs provide a useful and needed service. I also think it is normal for men to look at lovely nude women. I don't analyze it, I just feel it, do it, and enjoy it!
  • FONDL
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    19 years ago
    Mouse, I think the whole sex industry is becoming more mainstream. The number of women now engaged in it must be huge and growing rapidly. Hopefully that means that prices will drop.
  • Mouse
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    19 years ago
    I too believe that stripping is becoming more main stream for women - GOOD!
  • FONDL
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    19 years ago
    Don't worry, Shadowcat, I've never been to Platinum Plus and probably won't ever get the chance to go, but it sure sounds like my kinda place. DandyDan, you're absolutely right when you say that a lot of these girls just want their story told. If you're a good listener (and I've often been told that I am) dancers will often sit with you for hours just to have someone to talk to. Even if it costs them money. Just another sign that it isn't all about the money. And Lexus, I agree that there has been a huge change in the type of girl who takes up dancing. And fankly I like the change. But it has caused a lot of problems because the newer type of girl has very different expectations of what the job should be and not all customers have figured that our or agree. Hence there's a lot of wars between customers and dancers, much more so than used to be the case.
  • lexus300
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    19 years ago
    I am older also and have been a regular at a number of clubs for many years now. I only recently joined this site but don't hold that against me.When I was in my 20's I worked at a club as a bartender and got to know quite a few of the dancers. Back then it was mostly girls whose bf's where in motorcycle gangs or girls who only liked girls.The women who danced did it for $ to buy drugs and for the most part were , obviously, not the type of girl you would bring home to mom, Today, things have changed and so have I-Ienjoy every second I spend in the clubs and I have met some wonderful and beautiful [view link] girl asked me why I frequent her club and my response was simple and true. Where else can I go and have a beautiful 22 year old sit on my lap for such a reasonable rate? She has been my friend and more for the last 4 years.
  • DandyDan
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    19 years ago
    I know the SC reality with a couple of my favorites, but it still don't stop me from having them be my favorites. That's because they are comfortable with me and aren't afraid to be someone they are not. I just went out tonight and got to see the lady that is possibly my ATF for the first time in at least a year. (I'm not sure that's really possible, but she comes closer than anyone else I have ever met in an SC.) She was not only a total freak in the VIP, she also talked about her personal life in detail I don't generally care to hear from anyone, stripper or not. I guess my point is in certain ways, strippers are just like the rest of us and they need their stories told, and we are kind enough to let them tell it to us.
  • SuperDude
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    19 years ago
    Greatest release of tension known to man, outside of real sex.
  • Mouse
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    19 years ago
    davids, I still don't understand why you're so angry. What's the big deal?
  • Kyle1111
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    19 years ago
    Hi Davids, The story about why I like strippers? Probably it is because I've spent so much time in strip clubs. Spend almost every day in a strip club for a long period of time and you should get to know the strippers very well. What I learned is that *overall* they're exceptionally kind and sweet and generous and a surprising number are not in love with the dollar. WARNING: My experience is mainly with dancers at cheap clubs. It sounds from your posts that you would probably dislike most of the dancers who I think are the greatest. You're worried about lying, scamming, and stealing. I see those as symptoms and not necessarily negative symptoms.
  • davids
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    19 years ago
    I've posted about 90% of it already. Maybe I'll do it all in one post to get in the other 10% and so that's it's all in one coherent place. The short story is that if you get to know the strippers at some point they let down their guard (and a couple have no guards up to begin with) and then you begin to learn the difference between the SC illusion and the SC reality. I don't think if I knew the SC reality I would have gone in the first place. I don't feel like I got scammed as Yoda seems to think. I was always cognizant enough to "put them to the test" once they started hinting at OTC, so that protected me. The idea that they would even try and run a scam on me when they seemed nice was rather discouraging, however. Maybe Kyle could post his story in one coherent post too?
  • johnnylingo
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    19 years ago
    Yes, davids, please post. In the case of RL it's pretty obvious he became oblivious to the 'money' part and got in trouble. Your reviews seemed to indicate you knew what the deal was, spent money, and had fun. Kinda like me. Was there a specific experience that changed your outlook, or was it just a combination of little things?
  • FONDL
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    19 years ago
    Mouse, good post, I totally agree with you. But don't forget that the women benefit too. Many of these gals come from broken familles, have no parental support and have to support themselves with few job skills. If stripping weren't available to them many of them would be on welfare or would have no future. Stripping gives them an opportunity to get ahead, and many of them take advantage of it. My ATF has been on her own and self-supporting since she was 15. Gotta agree about the humanitarian aspect. I used to hang out in a club where one of the regular customers was in a wheelchair. And whenever he was there this one really hot girl spent all her time with him shooting pool. I was dying to meet her and never got the chance. I'm sure it cost her money. Shadowcat, you and I have so much in common it's scary. Anyone who knows me well and reads your posts will think it's me writing them.
  • Mouse
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    19 years ago
    shadowcat, I agree there are many types of men who benefit from strip clubs. I appreciate your comments and understand why you enjoy them. You express a healthy, informed, and mature attitude. davids, obviously you are quite angry in regards to strip clubs. What happened? Share with the Board, it would make for good discussion.
  • davids
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    19 years ago
    Ooops, almost forgot: they also drain the bank accounts of old foogies just before they kick the bucket so their kids don't get it!
  • davids
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    19 years ago
    Ok, shadowcat who admits that he would have sex with a prostitute even if he knew she was doing because she was sexually abused as child is calling me an asshole. I guess that's meant to be a joke?
  • davids
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    19 years ago
    This board is a strip club?
  • johnnylingo
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    19 years ago
    Mouse: Yeah I had meant to mention that you of course you have to continue a social life outside the club and see if your luck improves or not. Otherwise, it would be like spending a few hours in the kiddie pool and thinking you're now a better swimmer, when all you did was take a small step to get over fear of drowning. There is of course the possibility that a stripper would deliberately build you up with false hopes so that you could get shot down with regular girls and come running back to her with a broken heart and open wallet. But this is about the lowest possible thing I could possibly imagine a stripper doing. Honestly, I believe all *professional* strippers want their customers to have happy, healthy social and romantic lives outside the club, and just come there for the fun and fantasy. If they're good at selling that, they'll do just fine financially. It's the ones that are in it short term to get some money that you have to watch out for, since they'll either turn a blind eye to the facts or just don't care. Thought?
  • davids
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    19 years ago
    They also indirectly help transfer money from customers to drug and alcohol dealers and casinos which are definitely segments of society that deserve more. They also prevent an escape valve for people with social problems to, instead of dealing with the their social probleml, pay money and get distracted from them and probably learn harmful lessons since the situation is so phony and the girls atypical of the their non-stripper peers.
  • Yoda
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    19 years ago
    Mouse: I think we understood the context in which you mentioned cripples. I know it was not meant in a negative way. One of the clubs I go to regularly has a few regulars who are wheel chair bound. They are regulars with a number of dancers who are always respectful of them, appreciate their business and treat them very well.
  • Mouse
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    19 years ago
    Yoda, you're right. A humanitarian award only if the stripper is dancing for free. Yet, I do know of strippers who have made a point of dancing for some severely crippled and even retarded guys (who were otherwise extremely nice wonderful men) when they could have danced for younger attractive men paying the same price. Some top strippers are in very high demand and could spend all their time with only the "best" customers, if they chose. Also, I apologize, because my comments were patronizing regarding cripples, but it was not my intent. I wanted to praise some of the good deeds strippers perform, and why stripping should not be curtailed - rather encouraged a bit in our society. Johnnylingo, I agree that strippers allow young men to gain some invaluable experience and confidence. But, it is somewhat of a hollow experience, since their attention is based on money - not charm. Only experience with women in the REAL world will lead to ultimate success. Only by working your charms in the real world will you know if they really work. Good luck.
  • Yoda
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    19 years ago
    Very well put mouse. One thought, I would hold of on the humaitarian awards for dancers who dance for criples unless they dance for free.
  • johnnylingo
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    19 years ago
    Cool post, Mouse. Nice to remind us all that while there are lots of negatives to what a strip clubs sells (as covered abundantly in this week's posts), they do provide a useful service for those of us who understand the name of the game and know when enough is enough in terms of time, effort, and money. And thanks for taking a stand for us young guys. Those sentences describe me perfectly. For stage dances, I like checking out the super hot chicks my age that I couldn't possibly land a date with. It's a fun fantasy, and nothing more. For conversation and private dances, I like the experienced dancer that's gonna turn me on, help turn her on, and give a little advice. On a personal note, I used to be extremely shy and ended up spending lots of times in chat rooms, with the occassional date not going very well. I was just really tense, worried that if I said or did the wrong thing she'd be offended and I wouldn't get a next date. Even if I did get lucky, I'd be too nervous and overthinking everything to enjoy myself and make sure she felt good (I know some people are laughing reading this, but am quite sure I'm not alone here). Hitting strip clubs has helped quite a bit, because it's a situation where you don't have to be afraid of screwing up (If you do, just move on to the next dancer or club). Yeah I know to watch out at first, but once I show them that I'm respectful, spend money, and am not delusional, they get pretty honest and helpful. It's been good practice for making converstation, reading people, and staying relaxed in a situation with sexual tension (even if the tension is artificial).
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