any champagne room trick?

1) There may be sex in the Champagne room. It depends on the club & dancer.

2) Ignorant newbies do fall for stripper shit and get conned.

3) Some guys have more money than brains.

4) Doing the Champagne/VIP room gig doesn't leave a paper trail.

I don't know, and I am not even sure what place you are referring to. But the basic modus operandi of a clip joint is always based on some special room and lots of money.

I say that lots of the places which limit front room friendliness and try to force all touching into the booths, are still just a modern version of a clip joint. This applies just as much to places which are selling "extras", and even "extras"-FS.

The dancer does not give anything of herself. She just takes your money and makes you cum. That is bullshit. The dancers seem not to even consider "extras"-FS as sex.

At the best FS places, black and white, the girls will climb onto your lap and start making out with you, in the front room. When they do that, and when the special room is moderately priced, then you know you are in the right place.

Otherwise, I would just turn around and walk right back out the front door.

Here we try to address some of this:
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…

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Often depends on the area. Looks like you are in NYC so most likely you’ll pay a lot of $$$ and don’t get nothing but mediocre dances.

You may need to travel out of NYC to other areas and then read the reviews of those clubs to get an idea.

Consider a vacation to Detroit – clubs there deliver.

I can barely afford the Ripple Room so I can't help you out.

Yup, it's all about location. In the vast majority of places, there isn't sex in the Champagne Room. If there is a big sell for the VIP ("we can get comfortable there", "you'll have a much better time") without any specifics (I'll give you a blow job), then prepare for rip off city. In the days before the internet (yes, I was there), you'd have to learn this lesson the hard way (notice the pun ?). Now, you can figure exactly where sex is available, one of the dozen or so places named on TUSCL. Instead of wasting $600 on a scam in NY, use that money to buy a plane ticket to Detroit, Atlanta, Texas, Tijuana, etc.

"At the best FS places, black and white, the girls will climb onto your lap and start making out with you, in the front room."

I don't *want* to make out, and especially not in the "front" room where everyone can see.

The trick is to read TUSCL reviews and discussions. You will learn how and where.

You better listen to Chris Rock. Those guys spend $600+ because it's simply a tax write off - nothing more

Just ask the dancer you want to have sex with (be discrete though). As said before, if all you get is "we can get more comfortable" or "we can see what happens", nothing going to happen. If you do get a yes, DO NOT PAY HER TILL SHE COMES THROUGH!!!!, or you won't get nothing. Also, best to get out of the city, try the smaller clubs in the burbs, or better yet a bar with strippers out in the country, your buck will usually go a lot further.

Get a trial dance and in that dance get the convo going.

Ask her in plain song "Hey, my dick needs to talk to your pussy, can my dick talk?"

If she negs out, then bail out, you just saved a ton of money (from gieco).

If you're already having sex with her away from the club and she's a nymphomaniac, sex will probably happen or a bj if she knows she can do it without getting in trouble. Everyone else is highly doubtful or in many cases a rip off job. Some dancers like to promise the world and then make excuses or get out of doing things for trivial reasons.

I learned the easy way my friend. NYC, partictacularly Manhattan is not your friend if you want a great strip club experience. It pretty much died out of good looking women after 2012. I saw a bit of good looking women, none willing to put up though. Coming to this forum and being broke at the time saved me from making the mistake of spending 600 and 1200 for VIP out there. If you have to stay in NY for a while, try Queens, Brooklyn and the Bronx. Certain parts of LI is good on their offers and FAR FAR cheaper if you can't get them out the club. Bronx is most definitely the easiest, practically all the nice yet homey clubs there are double fronted for hoe houses. Never been myself but I have heard stories. But I mean if your pulling in 500k/yr, then try a 1200 VIP session for yourself. Experience is your best friend.
But I been in a modified version of that sort of VIP session in NYC (the club is...blue Diamond I think), where she let me do 150 for 30 minutes (even though it was suppose to be 15, see how bad that is $50-70 more than floor dances in that time frame) and the most I got was kissing...which I regretted because I forgot she's a stripper, though given it's NYC I doubt she's sucking any time.

Anyway I'm ranting. Case in point, if champagne room costs that much not even the privacy is worth all the superficial touching you can get for a period of time. Don't do it.

Strip clubs are basically communal experiences. You go there, you are sharing women and experiences. If you don't like that, call an escort.

If you can get physically friendly in the front room with your selected girl, then you have no doubt what will happen with her in the VIP room.

If you try and do it all by just words, you might get "extras"-FS instead of GFE-FS.

SJG

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