What is "scamming" anyway?
My dictionary defines "scam" as "a fraudulant scheme, especially for making money quickly." Do very many dancers routinely do that? Not in my experience. But I've know of several dancers who were victims of customer scams. In fact I'd venture to say that customers are as guilty as dancers when it comes to scamming in clubs. Yes ther are naive customers. But there are just as many and maybe more naive dancers.
Got something to say?
Start your own discussion
33 comments
Sara
Chitownlawyer, I totally agree with your comments that if you feel you got your money's worth it wasn't a scam, regardless of the girl's intent. Once I went into a fairly high mileage club that I had been to before, so I knew what to expect. It's one of those places where the laps take place in small private rooms that are watched by "hidden" cameras, you pay the house in advnace for the room and then negotiate your deal with the girl separately. Anyway, this one time as soon as I went in, a girl I had never seen before grabs me by the arm and says, "Quick, lets go in back, no one is watching the cameras right now and if we hurry we can do whatever we want." I immediately thought "scam" but then went with her anyway out of curiousity, plus the girl was hot and I liked her eager attitude. Turned out not to be a scam at all, she really did break the rules big time. But even if she hadn't, I wouldn't have considered it a scam because I entered into the agreement with eyes wide open and there wasn't much money at risk. It was worth it to me just to see what would happen.
I also think there are a lot of cases where the girl thinks she's scammed a customer but he knew exactly what was happening and didn't care because he was enjoying himself. I don't consider that to be a scam either. Or if it is, the guy is just as guilty of scamming as is the girl - he's leading her on just as much as she is him. To me that's just common strip club behavior, where neither party is being entirely honest with the other. I'm convinced that for a lot of guys that's a main attraction of SC's..
I also distinguish between little scams like a girl promising more than she delivers for a $20 dance, which is probably pretty common but really hurts only the girl because word quickly spreads, vs. the big scams such as where a girl pretends to be in love with a customer and talks him out of $thousands, which I think is pretty rare. To me those are the only scams that are worthy of the name, the little ones are sometimes annoying but generally insignificant.
Of course, that's an interesting existenitial question: If you have been party to a transaction in which someone else would say you were scammed, but you were personally quite happy with the deal, have you been scammed? Is a scam objective...or does it depend entirely on the mindset of the parties to the transaction?
I've got to not go to a forest so that I cannot hear some trees falling (or can I?).
a) Don't be explicitly rude to the stripper, or if you must then try to do so in ambiguous manner that could be interpreted as a joke
b) This will work best if you are a regular who is known to like to talk to other strippers, and you try it on a stripper who you can see likes to talk to other customers. (Remember that strippers like any other type of girls are constantly gossiping: so the stripper you choose as the subject of your is going to wonder why you talk to other but not her.)
c) The hot the stripper is (or thinks she is) the better your results will be.
Have fun!
Your friend,
David S.
When my ATF got tired of dancing she went back to being a waitress. She always described waitressing as flirting for a living. Does that mean that when a waitress is nice to me she's scamming me too? Isn't she being extra nice to me so I'll give her a bigger tip, just like the stripper does? If so, I'd encourage her to keep it up. It works.
I think the reason most strippers don't scam is because it doesn't work, it's poor business practice. Most customers in strip clubs are regular strip club customers. They know who the scammers are and avoid them. The scams only work on newbies, and newbies aren't going to pay the bills.
Davids, you criticize everyone's experience, but what about your's? Do you have any or is it just your imagination?
You have been scammed and you don't even know it.
No wonder you think scamming is so unlikely if you willing to justify all the abusive you've been handed like you do.
You really need to work on your self-esteem issues there, buddy.
My definition of a scam is when you pay for something in advance and then the person doesn't deliver on their promise. The only time that's ever happened to me was many years ago I hired a plumbing contractor to replace an oil tank, he took a deposit and disappeared. That's a scam.
Two other times more recently I had ongoing relationships with attractive young women that ended because of money. In one case I was helping the girl financially and she was showing gratitude by giving of her time, companionship and intimacy. She started to cut back on what she was giving so I did too. No scam involved because the time we spent together was worth it to me. The second girl and I had been semi-friends for several years and had spent a lot of time together, then she was between jobs and asked if she could borrow some money, I said no but I'd give it to her (knowing full well I'd never get it back anyway.) She took the money (it wasn't very much) and disappeared. Again no scam - the time we spent together was worth it to me. In fact I would have given her much more if she had stuck around but she wasn't too bright. Incidently, before some of you get all hot and bothered, I should point out that neither of these girls was a stripper.
Anyone else care to add some specific examples?
A scam to me is being overcharged or services paid for but not delivered.
Honestly, with all of the hang-ups you seem to have regarding dancers, I don't see how you could possibly have any fun in a strip club anyway. Just stay home.
I do not think that they are all scamming. I think there are some that use that line to scam people, but I think a majority are telling the truth about their situation. They are in the situation of cannot pay rent, phone bill, mediacal bills, etc because they earn and spend without any money managment.
It is a service industry. I notice that some in the industry cannot manage money well because they get paid every day that they work. Most workers get a check every two weeks and it forces you to at least have some planning with your money.
(Must be nice to just gloss over your own stupidity and take no share of the blame.) But just who here is guilty of this? Yoda? davids? Hard to tell...
"the fact that customers need to be on their guard and these scams are very easy to thrawt does not change the fact that the strippers are still trying to scam people nevertheless."
You sure don't have much sense when it comes to reasoning about ethics do you?
a) BS hard luck stories
b) strippers trying to make customers beleive that the customers are their friends or there is some kind of special relationship between the stripper and customer or there are romantic possibilities.
Now the fact that customers need to be on their guard and these scams are very easy to thrawt does not change the fact that the strippers are still trying to scam people nevertheless. Many are inept about it, and in my case it would backfire on them, but someone must be falling victim else they won't be trying it as continuously as they do.
Scam: A stripper who takes (or argues for) your money after telling you she'll do something that she deliberately doesn't do (i.e. "I'll lapdance 3 songs for $20", you give her $20, then she only does 2 songs.) Whether she pretends to be aware of the scam or not is insignificant....it's still a scam.
vs.
Rip Off: a stripper who performs something that you had hoped/expected more of. (i.e. "I'll lapdance 3 songs for $20", you give her $20, she does 3 songs and the DJ cuts them all really short.) She did what was paid for, but its financial value sucked.
FONDL - I have met many strippers who are great girls and don't scam customers. I think rip-offs are way more common. I've only been scammed a couple of times in many years.
However, strippers are in clubs to make money in a hustle environment. Customers go to clubs to spend money, sometimes carelessly. With those odds, I find it hard to believe that customers scam strippers with the same frequency.
That's like suggesting we scam used car salesmen with the same frequency. RIGHT.