I have been following this discussion threads for sometime. Some of you have provided valuable advice.
I would like to know whether you take the dancers OTC for one hour, couple of hours or for the night? Also, what would be the estimated price you would pay for each scenario? Lets consider the girl to be a 8 or 9.
^^^ Ssshhhh kiddo, this is a thread where the grownups actually share with each other. As you well know, you really don't have anything to add here.
Saggy, unfortunately i do not have much to add to your question either. The price of OTC is very much specific to the market that you are in and I do not know enough about CA to give you much of an answer. We have a few members who club in that area, so I hope that they will chime in.
I will just say that from what little I saw after a couple of days in LA, I suspect that OTC will be a bit more expensive where you are than in many other parts of the country. There are guys on here who are going to chime in with numbers as low as $150, but that is in the deep south and other lower cost of living areas. I doubt that you'd get it for less than $300 and it could very well cost you a lot more. But that is all just my speculation.
Good luck!
^^^ thus spoke RickyBoy who is unable to name dancers who work on any of the clubs he visited in 88 out of 89 reviews last I checked. You think maybe because you never actually visited them? :-)
And I meant for an hour.
Rick has a valid point about the LA area being a bit more expensive. It is. That's the truth. That being said, you're chances of OTC with 7+'s in the LA area are good, from my experience.
A month ago one of my favorites came into the club dragging her ass. She and another dancer had come straight from a guys hotel room where they had done an all nighter. I asked her if she made good money. She said that they each got $450 and a room service breakfast.
I've paid anywhere from $0 to a max of $300, but the $300 was for all night. How much varies so much that it's really impossible to put a set price on it. It's up to you and how well you negotiate.
Thanks guys for throwing in your numbers. I have a favorite seeking 300/hr.
I usually go with 90 minutes to 3 hours. No way I want them to stay overnight (although one of sort of had to - don't want to talk about it). I'll start them off a bit higher than the going rate $250-350 just because I am a nice guy. J/k.., seriously it's because they seem to oddly take it as a sign of how much you think they are worth (guess you'd have to be a stripper for that to make sense) so best not to insult them, no worries though. Once they are regulars they will be calling you all the time and then it is $150-200 range. I personally won't pay less than $125 even if provided the opportunity just because I am a nice guy like that!
Saggy, for L.A., $300 for an hour is probably pretty reasonable, at least if the dancer is hot.
I live in the Detroit area, and I usually have OTC with dancers I already know. I don't normally pick up an unknown dancer to take to a hotel for an hour. I like to spend 3 hours or so with the girl. I have paid from $300 to $500, but I've never had any pussy that was really worth more than $400.
In the greater Boston area I usually pay $300 to $500 per hour, but I'm an easy mark.
I only do OTC with dancers who ask me for my number and only where I'm a regular. That helps with the negotiations.
Despite what strippers tell us, there are Friday and Saturday nights where every stripper goes home with less than $50 and those are the two best nights of the week at most clubs. Which one is better? A guaranteed $300 on a Tuesday night or maybe earning less than $20?
gawker posted: "In the greater Boston area I usually pay $300 to $500 per hour, but I'm an easy mark."
In my humble opinion paying 3-500 in the Boston metro area does not make you an easy mark. That is a tough strip club area with a lot of money chasing limited supply. I took out of the Slipper once for $300 just a couple of years ago, but before the economic crash of 2008 the girls were making so much money ITC that, if they were willing at all, they wanted a chunk of change to go OTC. This applied not only to downtown, but to places like the Foxy Lady and Alex's.
It really depends on where in LA. Prices can swing wildly from area to area with the ghetto clubs (and there are some 8's & 9's to be found there) being pretty reasonable up thru to the high end west side clubs that are probably too steep to even consider. I rarely pay but when I have it's been in the $350/hr range. I think that she gave me a discount. And yes she was HAWT.
paid no more that $300 for 2 hours with multiple pops. most where in the $200 dollar range for an hour with only one nutt
VH I've done 2 all-nighters at $1500 each. Enough time for me to get a piece at night and another in the morning, but she ended up on the coach because of my snoring. Visions of rolling over to a beautiful blonde in bed went to the couch, too.
I pay one girl $200/hr and one girl $150/hr. The first was a mistake but now I'm locked in at that price. The second was a kinda "how low she will go" and I got it locked in at $150 per hour. Both girls are 7-8's solid. The 150 has nicer tits but the 200 is prettier. Both girls are liberal with the time and will lay there and cuddle / play with your dick for another hour no charge and are in no hurry to leave my hotel room. (This is in Ohio/Indiana)
VH_Kicks: "I seriously doubt anybody in here could afford an OTC all nighter with a good looking stripper"
I've had it offered as low as $500. Go ye and learn and ye shall be pleasantly surprised!
In the earlier years on this board guys many guys tried coming up with s mathematical model for OTC. Haven't seen it in awhile, but it would be something like this.
Rate per hour = b + 50h
Where b = base rate (let's say $100) And h = hotness factor (on a 1 to 10 scale)
So s "7" might charge. 100 + (50*7) = $450
You could tweak the model a bit by adding a discount/premium for geographical location.
Add 100 for New York or subtract 75 for Flint, Michigan
^^^ A variation on Motor's formula:
OTC price = 2 X Lapdance price X Hotness
This works out pretty well for Detroit strippers. Where I club the standard LD is $25.
So for an 8, you would pay 2 X $25 X 8 = $400
Where standard lap dances are more, you would pay more.
I think this is a good way to come up with a reasonable amount to pay. Of course, if you're a horndog like me, you will pay more than is reasonable when you really want to fuck the dancer.
Tell it Iike it is Jack. Just got back from a new OTC.
I am in Detroit and do a ex dancer from bogarts named bella for 125 and she is great. A druggie but when straight and they all have issues
Bella! Bella!
Canny: "I only do OTC with dancers who ask me for my number and only where I'm a regular. That helps with the negotiations. "
I do exactly the same. Back when I used to ask strippers that I was just a customer of, high price quotes and per-hour negotiations were the norm, especially here in CA. In the past years, I don't even ask about OTC until I've seen her enough that's she's an ATF or clearly moving in that direction, she knows I visit regularly to see only her and spend a decent amount and am fun to hang out with. I don't even bring up the number of hours, just "we'll grab something to eat and do some drinking, maybe I'll take you to a strip club [they love this!], then hit the hot tubs or a hotel room." I'll negotiate a price based on BJ or even HJ (and that price will be low, $200-$300), and of course she is free to do more (which, after drinking and SCing for a few hours, almost always happens). Most of my OTC for the prices I just quoted last a few hours, and some last much more, but the model only works (at least for me) if she's motivated to keep you as an exclusive customer and likes hanging out at you on some level (or at least isn't terribly repulsed by you).
In any case, short version of the story: P
I've done similar, Subraman.
Assume a Normal distribution of hotness, and that only 1 in 1000 women is so hot she's higher than a 10. Using this:
I get that the probability of a woman being an 8 or higher is 3.2% . This is why the very hot dancers either don't have to let any custies under their thong, or will charge very, very dearly for the privilege.
In my experience, escorts and P4P strippers are typically at best average looking for a woman in her 20s, and charge $250-$350, depending on the part of the country. (Those less than average looking will charge less.)
Sometimes you can get lucky. I saw a Dominican escort (Black), 10+ in my book, who only charged $240. She had an idiot pimp, who thought all men found Black women less attractive. Her rate got up to $320 pretty quick.
$300-500 for an hour? $1,500 for an overnight?
Gods, I love flyover country. You high-rollers just keep right on flying over, why dontcha? :)
I oo have had a very large range over the years. I've paid as little as a can of pop and as much as $425. I've gotten a wham-bam quick pop and I've gotten all nighters. It just depends on how well you know the girl, but more importantly, how desperate they are at that particular moment.
I found in my area, if you start $250-300, you're pretty much guaranteed to get any girl of your choosing from my favorite clubs. The last year or so though, I've balked at that and been keeping around the $100 price, pushing to $150 if needed. I got a solid 8 to agree to $120 this week (Then I had to back out, long story). I have found that the quality and duration of the experiences have dropped significantly lately as well. Is this a direct correlation to my drop in price? Or is it a result of the particular girls I'm picking?
It's not an exact science. I have avoided the high quotes because I don't want to get "locked in" like others have put it. I do have one girl that's decent, but we started at $150 and I cant get her to budge from that. I've had girls for $300 that were shit in bed. My 2nd best sex ever was a five hour romp with an 8 from Florida who just wanted $50 for spending money (she was flying home in the morning). All of my favorites have become unavailable recently due to moving or bfs so I'm hunting hard for new blood.
Mrpink: "It's not an exact science"
RickyBoy is working to change that.
I’m not much of an OTCer but I do SC a lot and like getting a lot of LDs.
As a few others have mentioned; you may get (in terms of service) what you pay for (although there is not a 100% correlation of course).
Being that I spend a lot on LDs; I’m sometimes tempted to spend the least possible per LDs in order to make my $$$ go-further/last-longer.
But I’ve come to the conclusion that if I would like/expect a dancer to treat me well; then I should also treat her well (i.e. we both get what we want/need – within reason of course).
Treat the dancer/provider how you would want/expect to be treated may be a good and successful rule to follow (give her what she wants/needs if you expect her to give you what you want/need/desire).
In central IL I've done OTC with 2 different dancers. The first charged me 300 after asking for 400 (no way). And my CF has settled on 200, which is what I'd spend ITC for VIP plus tip.
Which methodology are we asking about? RickyBoy's The System or "just ask" like normal people do?