Are Strip Clubs going Down Hill?
VeryBigDawg
Georgia
Do you notice that strip clubs are getting worse. Was at Follies yesterday (surprisingly ShadowCat was NOT there) and it was OK but not the place is used to be. Got some dances from my favs, who complained that nobody was spending money. So decided to go down the street to Pink Pony, which was even worse! Hardly anybody there and it is a really nice club.
It seems like strip clubs got hot after 1990s movies like "Pretty Woman" put night ladys in a positive light. It was great as girls started coming in large numbers to strip clubs too. So you had hot strippers and hot customers. Then the customer girls wore micro-skirts commando style. Pussy everywhere. Life was heaven! Then the 2008 economic crash came and people cut back on their entertainment capital. And the strip clubs suffered. Now it seems that lots of the strippers and waitresses are in zombie mode, which could explain the popularity of "The Walking Dead".
I know it has always been a business. But it used to be a fun business, which has morphed into zombie land.
It seems like strip clubs got hot after 1990s movies like "Pretty Woman" put night ladys in a positive light. It was great as girls started coming in large numbers to strip clubs too. So you had hot strippers and hot customers. Then the customer girls wore micro-skirts commando style. Pussy everywhere. Life was heaven! Then the 2008 economic crash came and people cut back on their entertainment capital. And the strip clubs suffered. Now it seems that lots of the strippers and waitresses are in zombie mode, which could explain the popularity of "The Walking Dead".
I know it has always been a business. But it used to be a fun business, which has morphed into zombie land.
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I would not say so.
Patronage by men is probably down in certain areas. WEB cams are overpriced & boring. Free Porn is OK, BUT like the Cams - you can't TOUCH a real woman. I've always preferred Clubs over escorts as you can SEE what you are buying.
I don't pretend to be an economist but it seems to me that the problem is the owners and dancers themselves by trying to gouge the customers out of every penny they can get. Instead of following like the auto makers did and lower prices to attract customers, They raise them to make up for the loss of customers, which further drives the customers away.
Once the customers are gone, the dancers can't make any money and move on to other things.
The bad economy 2008-present has devastated most people's disposable income, and hasn't recovered. Thus began a viscous cycle: less money being spent in clubs (either fewer customers or just less per customer) >> best talent leaves club (they feel they are worth more than what they are making or don't want to increase mileage) >> club bring in lower quality talent >> further depressing customers desire to spend >> negative feedback loop continues.
Also, the 'vibe' at many clubs just isn't the same. Similar negative feedback loop: less money being spent in clubs >> girls bitch about not making enough or drumming up sob stories to con more money >> further depressing customers desire to spend >> negative feedback loop continues. F***, the dancer's job is to sell "happy" and "fun" not "give me money" or "boo who I'm not making what I used to." I don't f-ing care. I got to clubs to enjoy myself and vent some of my woes not listen to the problems of the girls. I'm playing the girls to brighten my day not add their gloom on top. It's a f-ing customer service profession not charity organization.
OT.. it the same BS with airlines. Airlines are not transportation companies. Odds are any of the 4 big US domestic airlines will get me from A to B safely. I just don't want to be treated like cargo or deal with surly attendants. Ergo, airlines are really customer service companies that happen to own and operate airplanes. the should treat all of they customers as valuable to the enterprise not just the whales in first class.
Clubs that are jacking up prices are only compounding other more fundamental problems and accelerating the decline.
without the xATF, both my total spending and frequency has doped considerably. also, it seems like there are no fresh faces anymore. You would think with the economy in the tank, clubs would be revolving doors with fresh new talent always rolling in. nope, the exact opposite. Same old crew for literally years. yawn!
I missed that, but you are correct. My two favorites club, well hardly ever see anyone new. That's a reason my visits have dropped this year. Even if new talent was there, my faves would sit with me as soon as I walked in, virtually negating my ability to meet anyone new were they there.
Yet, looking on other sites (namely pink site) i see a lot more camgirl posts and fewer dancer posts. Maybe talent is filtering more towards that direction. I see camming as expanding the envelope for entertainment, but personally wouldn't want it to replace live interaction with a dancer.
Changes could have more to do with outside influences than anything the club does.
While I agree outside influences have something to do with it, the fact remains no strip club is ever better than the dancers they hire, and if clubs hire crappy dancers which scare customers away, that's on the club. And most clubs don't seem to want to challenge LE too much, which is probably the #1 external influence, so it seems like most of what causes clubs to go downhill is factors they can control. Also not really sure what other external influences there are, other than location.
The economic situation after mid-2008 has created a "new normal" for a large segment of the population: "better be careful, recovery or no recovery I don't know when what I managed to build back up will only get clobbered again". Free web-nudity also has a strong influence. @mjx01: probably a lot of the potential "new talent" is heading straight for the cam girls side. And who can blame them: to a newbie girl the fact that nobody will be physically grabbing at her can be very attractive.
It's hard to find a dancer I like these days. If there is one, she is wanted by nearly every other patron in the club because she is a rarity. Clubs these days really are for the thugs. Thats who these girls play to now.
1) Will camsites induce present strip club goers to forego club visits in favor of spending more time/$$ on camsites ?
2) Will camsites capture (AND MAINTAIN) the interest of an evolving segment (and generation) of cam junkies that will be addicted to the cam venue to the point of ignoring/rejecting other venues, stripclubs in particular ?
For me, the answer to #1 is no. However, stripclubs should dread the thought of #2 coming to fruition along with a whole generation of internet junkies devoid of any desire for human contact.
When I go over to SW every now and then; I’ll notice the cam folder/blog often has many x times of “currently viewing†members.
I just took a quick peek at SW and currently on the Stripping (General) blog/folder; there are 32 viewing whereas the Camming blog/folder has 102.
That is a good observation on your part and it may be indicative of many hos, I mean ladies, perhaps preferring camming to having our horny hands on them.
Most TUSCLers will always say that camming is no substitute for the flesh encounter of a SC – and I agree. But then again; two things that may give camming a boost at the expense of SCs:
1) it has been stated on TUSCL on several occasions that many of the very good looking dancers in the past (e.g. 1990s) got out of stripping when high contact dances and extras became more of the norm. Perahps those dancers that got out of the game due to the high contact; or those that will not get into it b/c of the high contact; will flow towards camming?
2) many dudes may not be able to SC b/c of the cost or b/c of a S.O. and camming may be a reasonable/acceptable compromise/choice for folks like these?