Economic Downturn Theory?

I rarely hear a stripper say that business is good. I don't believe that free internet porn has any effect on strip clubs. In fact if the porn is free, that leaves more money for strip clubs. Watching porn will never replace live action.

@ Shadow: I have to disagree with you, in part. I think free porn does cut into strip club business. SOME guys can get their satisfaction for free by watching porn, so why would they pay for it? However, I'm with you on one point: I certainly do appreciate the live aspect of strip club entertainment as opposed to on-line porn.

Also, see my comments in the related thread, posted May 2nd, by stenton1,
"Attendance Down Extras Up?"
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=2…

^^Sorry for the redundant post Club_Goer. I had lunch with her today and her comments were top of mind so I didn't bother to cull past threads and see if it was a fresh topic or not...

My guess is that it helps. Watch some porn, want to try some of that stuff out in a stripper. Off to the club to spend some money - or pick up the phone and invite one over.

"what I'm interested in is whether or not porn has impacted your SC experience in any way (good, bad or indifferent.)

Thoughts?"

NO impact IMO. Watching Porn doesn't allow for the touching of the woman of your interest & Lust. You SIMPLY cannot get the ALL important experience of touch by watching Porn. I believe the major aspect of Porn in relation to the Strip club experience, is to help get you aroused to some degree prior to going to the club.

Shadowcat's right. I never hear any dancers brag about how great business is. Whichever day you choose to go happens to be the day that business is slow. Marketing.

It probably depends on where you live. In some areas, it's not convenient to go to a strip club, or at least one that's worth the time, so all you got is internet porn. But if you are determined to go to one, nothing's going to stop you.

I had a dancer ask me why I came to the club since online porno was free. I told her it was because she was real and she acted like that was news to her. Gott'a love it.

" I told her it was because she was real and she acted like that was news to her. Gott'a love it."

That's NOT a dancer I'd want to spend time with or $$$ on. Doesn't have the SLIGHTEST clue. LOL

Is this an extras club? If not, or if she's not an extras girl, her business might be down depending on what she's willing to do. I think free porn might make a guy imagine everything is on the table or negotiable. In that narrow aspect, she may have a point

My ATF frequently tells me how much she earned on a daily basis and working afternoons she usually makes $200 to $500 depending upon extras. She has several regulars that she sees 3 or 4 times per month and they're good for $500 to $1000. Yesterday she made $30. The day before $50.
Another stripper texted me last night begging me to come in. She works 6:30pm to 2:00am and by 10:00 pm she had gotten $14.00 in stage tips and had not yet had a dance. She has never offered extras, but in last night's text she promised to make it worth my while. I declined due to the fact that I'd spent all my money at the club that afternoon.

"My ATF frequently tells me how much she earned on a daily basis and working afternoons she usually makes $200 to $500 depending upon extras. She has several regulars that she sees 3 or 4 times per month and they're good for $500 to $1000. Yesterday she made $30. The day before $50."

How do you know she was being "Truthful" with you Sir. Have you seen her bank account info, assuming she has a bank account.

Interesting question that I don't have an answer for.

I know clubs outside of the Metro Detroit area that used to do a huge amount of business prior to 2008/2009. Things have drastically fallen off. Michigan, in my opinion, has seen a decent recovery but clubs in places like Lansing and Kalamazoo are still doing poorly.

Now here is the question: Is it still the economy? Is it internet porn as was suggested? Is it the availability of extras (cheap extras, I made add) in Detroit an hour or two away?

I guess we can get into a discussion of whether or not the country has made an economic recovery. It's my opinion that when low cost extras became common place, the Lansing customers abandoned their no-extras club and the drive to Detroit became very worthwhile. I don't think it's porn.

An escort tried to convince it was always slow. During the holidays, guys have family outings and shopping. After New Years, the guys are paying bills. Next few months, guys are paying taxes. During the summer, guys are taking vacations. She might have had a point about the holidays.

hey alucard. why do you automatically ASSUME she is a lying thieving whore?

Watching porn gets me excited and makes me want to go to the SC even more.

You have a bit of a point motorhead.

"hey alucard. why do you automatically ASSUME she is a lying thieving whore?"

I made NO such assumption Asshole!!! It is vile creatures like you that SHOUT that out constantly on this forum. Read the posts of your fellow Assholes! It is there in B & W.

I was asking the other gentleman what he knew about the veracity of his ATF.

Watching porn is just as satisfying for me as is watching someone eating a honking huge steak for a starving man.

@gawker - that's depressing.

"Watching porn gets me excited and makes me want to go to the SC even more."

It does for many people.

LMFAO, that alutard spazzed out when Dr. Phil called him out on his reals views about women.

I believe it was documented at one point that porn, and presumably free porn, had hurt all Adult businesses to some degree. Whether we're beyond that at this point I have no idea. I have to suspect it has some impact though it certainly isn't a new phenomenon.

Shadowcat's first sentence is also very true. If the club is dead: "It's been dead for a week". If the club is full: "Nobody is really spending!".

There are many reasons for declines, But I think the decline in quality dancers coupled with demographic changes play a big part.

Yes – the internet has displaced many a business.

But IMO, you can’t substitute for the real thing (i.e. having a nice pair of breasts in your hands to squeeze vs. just seeing them on the screen).

I would have to say that I’ve used porn to take the edge off when I haven’t felt like spending the $$$ to go SCing.

But more often than not, I have gone to the SC super-horny after having watched some internet porn (even if I hadn’t planned on going to a SC on that particular day to begin with).

One other point. Last week I did a VIP with two dancers and at one point they were talking about doing extras. This is a well established club where those dancers who choose to do extras have always worked together to fix prices. One of my dancers mentioned that some of the new young girls are cutting rates. I'll definitely check it out.

Lots of good theories here. I go to mostly smaller dive type clubs. I've noticed for a few years now the number of dancers has greatly increased while the number of patrons has remained steady or perhaps declined slightly. In this situation there will obviously be winners and a lot more losers. Doing extras helps one win and even in MN if you know where to look extras are readily available.

I am astonished that any dancer is not banking. Just visit the pink site and it appears they are all making $500+ per night (without offering any extras either!) Perhaps, as Alucard suggests, someone is lying.

The SC business is down due to boobs made saggy by P.C.'s titty twisters.

As mentioned and summed up:

- The demographics are changing. The baby boomers of the 80's and 90's are heading into retirement. While some are still reaching out, they are definitely in the minority of that group. The following generations are smaller by comparison.

- The millennial are a variation back upwards, but they are made up of a more culturally diverse group (1). American born and familiar with that culture is shrinking.

- Unemployment in the millennial group is crazy larger(2) - and under-reported because many are hiding out in school instead of looking for a job in this horrible market.

- I think this says it all "The youth unemployment rate for 18-29 year olds specifically for September 2012 is 11.8%. The youth unemployment rate for 18-29 year old African-Americans for September 2012 is 21%; the youth unemployment rate for 18-29 year old Hispanics for September 2012 is 12.1%; and the youth unemployment rate for 18–29 year old women for September 2012 is 11.6%." (3)

- So, in addition to free porn on the net, one is fighting a large group of people who can't afford dancers and another large population who is past dancers.

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(1) http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/…
(2) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/06…
(3) http://www.policymic.com/articles/15997/…