Why no regular hospitality?
Estafador
BIG APPLE
Now although I'm slowing getting more and more familiar with the strip club scene, I feel I'm still missing out on some perks you regulars and OG clubbers are getting. And I'm not talking sexual favors either. Let's focus on this particular one.
You guys always talk about how you guys usually are chatting it up with a dancer, no immediate lap dances yet but great conversations (most of the time) and just letting you and the dancer familiarize with each other. I'm pretty damn sure it isn't what your wearing or how you look so I'm scrathing that off your reasons why immediately. But for me, I never get that dancer who does that. Its always hello and go for the kill. I got a weird intro about why I'm sitting solo dolo with a kidding factor of I look mean, but other than that, the most conversation I've gotten from any dancer was "hello, name, where you from, what do you do" then they ask "vanna dance".
You obviously see no real conversation here, and I even go the extra mile of trying to extend the conversation about talking about her, but naturally its always quip and stressing the point of "vanna dance". I don't fret to much because most of the time I do just want her to bust out her stripper dance moves, but like many of you would enjoy just a good conversation. Oddly enough I make good conversation with an ok looking bartender.
Is it cause I'm big and black (not fat at all, just tall) I'm not holding an alchohalic beverage, I'm just young or is this just NY for you (and be the geography since I know ny dancers be yaking it up with the patrons). Or is it just that I'm not a regular?
You guys always talk about how you guys usually are chatting it up with a dancer, no immediate lap dances yet but great conversations (most of the time) and just letting you and the dancer familiarize with each other. I'm pretty damn sure it isn't what your wearing or how you look so I'm scrathing that off your reasons why immediately. But for me, I never get that dancer who does that. Its always hello and go for the kill. I got a weird intro about why I'm sitting solo dolo with a kidding factor of I look mean, but other than that, the most conversation I've gotten from any dancer was "hello, name, where you from, what do you do" then they ask "vanna dance".
You obviously see no real conversation here, and I even go the extra mile of trying to extend the conversation about talking about her, but naturally its always quip and stressing the point of "vanna dance". I don't fret to much because most of the time I do just want her to bust out her stripper dance moves, but like many of you would enjoy just a good conversation. Oddly enough I make good conversation with an ok looking bartender.
Is it cause I'm big and black (not fat at all, just tall) I'm not holding an alchohalic beverage, I'm just young or is this just NY for you (and be the geography since I know ny dancers be yaking it up with the patrons). Or is it just that I'm not a regular?
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Sometimes you have to go on the offense to get what you want to establish that relationship, but worth it in my opinion.
For the most part, you favor high hustle tourist traps. Now don't get me wrong, a high roller will likely get some face time as a dancer tries to figure out how best to fleece him, but most of us regular folk generally get little more that "wanna dance" in those places.
You might find things a bit better during the dayshift at G2000 or Scandals (Long Island City). You might also want to consider a night visit to JR in the Bronx, which is full nude with no alcohol (since you don't drink anyway) and is reportedly a little slower paced.
Or you can keep going to Manhattan tourist traps and continue to complain about being treated as a second class citizen.
This is TRUE!
And - Location, Location, Location like rickdugan says.
And perhaps you are unconscienciously giving off the wrong vibe Estafodor. Being a bit older and more experienced might help too.
Not holding a drink. I don't drink much either. And for some reason that does seem to work against me.
Sitting alone. Yep heard that too.
"mean looking". Get that too.
For all those reasons, I tend to stick with my known ATFs as much as possible.
And I'm white and older. So I'm not sure if young & black matter that much
You don't get any attention because its a sociological issue.
People tend to have conversations if they feel time is not crucial, communication is necessary,and they find the other person is a match. In other words, do you fit together?
You are mistaking the discussions of having long conversations here as the norm, it is not. Unless I have met the dancer before and she likes me, I get the same treatment.
& there's probably some true to that, so why would she fish for exceptions.
I think the rush is to try Me out and later decide if a second go is in order
The grass isn't always greener.....
1. The place is slow, and she has nothing else to do anyway.
2. She knows I'm gonna spend money at some point, so doesn't have any problem "investing" a little time.
The times when it's due to me being a super nice guy with sparkling conversational skills are, while not completely absent, are few and far between. I'm guessing its probably the same for many, though not all, others here, and that the incidence of reporting such is vastly out of proportion to how often it actually occurs.
This may well be Estafador's issue or part of it. The dancers may look at him and make an internal judgment that he is NOT a $$$ spender.
Damn I miss the old days.Wine,Women and Wallet
Try this, which is working for me:
1. To JayJay's point, arm yourself with $200 minimum, preferably $300-$400, for a club outing.
2. To Rick's point, roll into Gallaghers 2000 sometime between 11:30am and 3:30pm, when they offer a free lunch and discount price drinks.
3. Sit at the bar and be prepared for a $20 per hour topless dollar parade. If you see someone you like, ask her to stop by.
4. Order a drink and free lunch.
5. When someone approaches of interest, offer to buy her a drink and ask her to join you for lunch. If you go to the club after 3:30pm, just order a drink and offer a dancer of interest a drink and chat her up. Just say no when you get the "wanna dance" approach. Many of the ladies here enjoy taking the time to chat with patrons. I spent four hours at G2000 on first visit and had a blast with four dancers, each session preceded by lengthy chat and frolicking at the bar. BTW, this is a relatively high mileage club.
6. Go upstairs to LD area with the first dancer, but limit the session to 2-3 songs. Then head back to the bar for the next dancer.
7. Repeat steps 5 & 6, until you run out of cash. You will find that the dancers here watch who is spending money, because they can see who is walking up and down the stairs to the LD area. Do this a few times and there will be a line of dancers waiting to chat with you and dance for you.
For more details, see my G2000 reviews. Enjoy!!
Everything mentioned has it's effect. For me, if I wish a dancer to hang around, she does. Why? A difficult question to answer. Works for me no mater which persona (working guy or biker)I am in, so I have to figure it's me.
Maybe the older guy has more money? No biker, yes working guy.
A "social outcast"? Yes biker, no working guy.
Maybe you can pick up some lessons when April 20th comes around. :)
The biggest surprise I got in that club as far as conversation was when one dancer whom I liked said something about just sitting and talking with me the whole rest of the night. It was only 9:30sh pm. We were the same age. I didn't realize it but she wanted to go out with me. It kind of confused me at first but I wasn't going to complain about a pretty dancer spending all her time with me. The last half hour I did say something about wanting to get dances from other dancers so I got other dances and she danced for a few other people before the club closed. On one of the following weekends, a group of guys thought I was her boyfriend. That's the extreme for me. She was even buying her own drinks and I didn't even realize that was extreme for a dancer. She did tell me she had to do one ten table dance every hour or she would get in trouble with the management. At some other clubs, the most I ever talked is probably 30 to 60 minutes. Some dancers like talking.
Es, I enjoy spending time talking with hot strippers before going to VIP. When a dancer I'm interested in stops by, I ask her to sit down and I buy her a drink or two. She will engage in conversation for at least as long as it takes her to finish her drink, and she knows I'm interested in her, so the conversation time is not a waste.
Every time I've tried your "escape" plan, I end up kicked out of the club!
@jayjay Well that's actually pretty horrible. That sort of cynicalism would probably kill strip clubs in future generations if that sort of thinking widespread. But I am assuming. For me personally though, if the girl I was hitting on was a stripper, as long as she makes her money her way, I don't give a fuck how its done (as long as she isn't doing drugs lol). But yeah if that's the case, looks like I gotta step my game up to show us yyoung black guys got more dough than you think (suprising the drug dealer youngster isn't. Loose with his money).
Sounds like its more location overall. I'll also give scandels a try and see where that takes me.
I listen to them and what they're saying, and I really pay attention to them. That's all that I do.
But, not every stripper wants to talk. Part of it is investing the time in finding the strippers at the club you're at who want to hang out and talk instead of hustling. They're people, just like you and I are. Treat them with respect and you'll be amazed at the results. I've been called and asked to come in and hang out with a stripper before so that she could chat with me instead of doing private rooms with other customers. I hung out with her for a couple of hours chatting and then left.