The Hypocrisy of Prostitution
Leonard313
Michigan
Okay...I honestly smile when I read some of the discussions that shout warnings about clubs getting "busted"...its really a joke.
Now I know areas differ...from Tijuana where strippers and prostitutes are the same thing...not "kinda the same"...but the SAME. To Detroit...where a stripper that won't at least offer ya head is not gonna make much money...to the mainstream clubs with varying levels of mileage...to the strict joints where you sit on your hands during lap dances. I've seen em all...experienced em all.
But here's the honest truth....sex is for sale....everywhere! I was so naive in my early years...thinking only the rare drugged out stripper offered sex for money. So naive. The bottom line is...you can go to any club...anywhere...anytime and easily find a stripper that will provide sex for money. Whether its ITC or OTC...doesn't matter. If you have $200...you can put Mr. Happy somewhere inside her. $400 almost guarantees it. $1000 and even the waitresses, shot girls, and/or bartender might take a piece of that action. Money talks.
I can go to 2 strip clubs in 2 hours (they aren't open yet...whores need to sleep in)....and not only is sex for money available...the clubs have booths and curtained off areas set up for it...and the house/club takes a standard cut. No games...no "wink wink...nod nod...nudge nudge." You wanna VIP dance? What can you do? Anything you want. Sex? Absolutely! They almost look at you like you're stupid for clarifying.
Strip clubs not your thing? I can go on a website right now and find $60 escorts...and "massage parlors"...advertising in plain view...sex for money. You think cops don't know about this? Cops often post warnings to escorts on these pages to warn them if a psycho is on the loose or they're looking for a john that had commited a "real crime"!
So that leads me to my point. Why do we care? Why do we "whisper" to the stripper what we want? Why "pretend" that we "just want a massage"? And why would anyone in their right mind be worried about cops "stinging" a strip club while a stripper has her hand in our pants? Its absurd! Cops know what goes on...cops are johns in their spare time. I went to an escort who said her worst experience was an undercover cop that called a couple buddies and they raped, beat, and robbed her...all of em had badges. But we're worried if we say the name of a club that offers "extras"...the club might get busted?? Really? So the cops are gonna bypass the website listing various sex services for money...and come to TUSCL to get tips on where strippers might be offering too much mileage?
Prostitution...human trafficing...its all a joke! I can go visit a massage parlor tonight with asian women fresh off the boat...its no secret. There's no special "handshake" or guy behind an iron door with one of those little slideable windows. You just search for escorts...find the asian massage parlors open late. You don't even need a computer...much less a detective! It doesn't take Columbo or Monk to figure it out. Its a joke. How do I feel about it? I don't know. How do you feel about it? Me personally...Id love to see all those places shut down...starting with escorts...then massage parlors...then strip clubs. Id like to go back to my "naive" days where if a girl in a bikini actually touched me it was a big deal. But what bothers me isn't the sex trade...not even the trafficing (if they're over 18). What bothers me is the hypocrisy. Whether its the public crying out against trafficing while jerking off to porno....or the cops busting Johns while driving past 25 hookers...or the politicians speaking out against secularism and then getting an escort for the weekend. Its all a big joke. And the only victims are the sex addicts, drug addicts, and underaged.
Now I know areas differ...from Tijuana where strippers and prostitutes are the same thing...not "kinda the same"...but the SAME. To Detroit...where a stripper that won't at least offer ya head is not gonna make much money...to the mainstream clubs with varying levels of mileage...to the strict joints where you sit on your hands during lap dances. I've seen em all...experienced em all.
But here's the honest truth....sex is for sale....everywhere! I was so naive in my early years...thinking only the rare drugged out stripper offered sex for money. So naive. The bottom line is...you can go to any club...anywhere...anytime and easily find a stripper that will provide sex for money. Whether its ITC or OTC...doesn't matter. If you have $200...you can put Mr. Happy somewhere inside her. $400 almost guarantees it. $1000 and even the waitresses, shot girls, and/or bartender might take a piece of that action. Money talks.
I can go to 2 strip clubs in 2 hours (they aren't open yet...whores need to sleep in)....and not only is sex for money available...the clubs have booths and curtained off areas set up for it...and the house/club takes a standard cut. No games...no "wink wink...nod nod...nudge nudge." You wanna VIP dance? What can you do? Anything you want. Sex? Absolutely! They almost look at you like you're stupid for clarifying.
Strip clubs not your thing? I can go on a website right now and find $60 escorts...and "massage parlors"...advertising in plain view...sex for money. You think cops don't know about this? Cops often post warnings to escorts on these pages to warn them if a psycho is on the loose or they're looking for a john that had commited a "real crime"!
So that leads me to my point. Why do we care? Why do we "whisper" to the stripper what we want? Why "pretend" that we "just want a massage"? And why would anyone in their right mind be worried about cops "stinging" a strip club while a stripper has her hand in our pants? Its absurd! Cops know what goes on...cops are johns in their spare time. I went to an escort who said her worst experience was an undercover cop that called a couple buddies and they raped, beat, and robbed her...all of em had badges. But we're worried if we say the name of a club that offers "extras"...the club might get busted?? Really? So the cops are gonna bypass the website listing various sex services for money...and come to TUSCL to get tips on where strippers might be offering too much mileage?
Prostitution...human trafficing...its all a joke! I can go visit a massage parlor tonight with asian women fresh off the boat...its no secret. There's no special "handshake" or guy behind an iron door with one of those little slideable windows. You just search for escorts...find the asian massage parlors open late. You don't even need a computer...much less a detective! It doesn't take Columbo or Monk to figure it out. Its a joke. How do I feel about it? I don't know. How do you feel about it? Me personally...Id love to see all those places shut down...starting with escorts...then massage parlors...then strip clubs. Id like to go back to my "naive" days where if a girl in a bikini actually touched me it was a big deal. But what bothers me isn't the sex trade...not even the trafficing (if they're over 18). What bothers me is the hypocrisy. Whether its the public crying out against trafficing while jerking off to porno....or the cops busting Johns while driving past 25 hookers...or the politicians speaking out against secularism and then getting an escort for the weekend. Its all a big joke. And the only victims are the sex addicts, drug addicts, and underaged.
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Just didn't want people to think I was "on a mission" or anything.
But believe me...the difference between a prostitute and a victim of human trafficing is much, much less than you think. From what I've seen first hand...first hand...there's very little difference. Women are often "convinced" to be escorts..."convinced" to street walk... Some women "decide" to becuase they are down and out and either mentally ill or addicted to drugs...but generally there's a pimp of some kind behind all those escort ads...and he's "convincing" them to do it and "convincing" them not to quit...and getting paid for his interest.
I used to frequent that lifestyle...massage parlors, escorts, strip clubs, orgy parties. But after a "herpes scare" (turned out to be nothing)...that was the end of it. Between the risk of incurable disease (even with a rubber) and the cost (money)...just whack it to some porn and call it an evening.
"organized criminal activity in which human beings are treated as possessions to be controlled and exploited (as by being forced into prostitution or involuntary labor)"
Now, an controlling relationship does not simply qualify. It has to be organized criminal activity and the person has to be treated as a possession, not simply an unequal relationship. This is one case where the club may be a better format than some others since I have not seen a club owner who regards the dancers as possessions. Many may have a loser boyfriend that is trying to leech off of them, but the club owner regards them as workers freely employed.
Working in the background on this are moralists who see government as a tool for their moral mission. They too can exert influence it it become too obvious what it going on, so there is another need to be a bit low key.
The final reasons to keep things low key is that paying for sex is somewhat shameful both for the dancer as having to rely on that as her only marketable skill and to the guy as his only way to get sex. Also being somewhat on the sly about it is sexy. Think of sexy dialogue in the movies. It is all about innuendo and double meanings.
Ever heard of Craigslist? Backapage? The Yellow Pages? If I were a cop I could bust 10 prostitutes each evening...without so much as even trying. Go to ANY massage parlor after 7PM...ANY massage parlor after 7PM...bingo, theres a bust.
It's just so comical to hear strip club goers act like when they got laid at the club it was some unique experience that normally never happens...meanwhile, in Tijuana or Detroit...thats ALL that happens...24/7. Or dancers that pretend they're just a half step below "ballet dancers" and they're just selling their talent and interesting conversation...nothing more. Yeah right. Maybe thats all you're selling for $25...but for $250, $400...most of them will let you pull their hair while they bark like dogs and you drill them from behind while slapping their asses and calling them whores.
Lets not romantacize it.
The biggest "issue" I have with discovering pay for play is I can no longer go to the club and just spend $60-$80 then go home with blue balls. Even if I "intend" to go to a club for that purpose...after 3-5 dancers shake their perfectly shaved vaginas in your face...you just say "fuck it" and go to the VIP booth to bust a nut. And once you've decided thats what you want...to find out the girl actually "doesn't" play for pay...or has some crazy price...then you're disappointed, almost pissed off.
I must be misunderstanding this. Trafficking doesn't bother you provide the women are over 18? Coercing people is fine as long as they are over 18?
As I said in the above thread...I'd prefer that all of it end...strippers, prostitutes, massage parlors, sex slaves, escorts...I definitely am not advocating sex for money.
What I was trying to point out above is..to pretend that "human trafficking" is this huge big problem and cry for the poor girls that get caught up in it...THEN...turn around and say, "well, if an escort wants to screw for money, thats her business." Thats a naive hypocrisy. The girls working in those massage parlots are often times sex slaves. The escorts and prostitutes are often times reporting back to a pimp and not just allowed to "decide not to do it anymore." And many of them and the strippers are addicted to drugs and essentially a "sex slave" to their drug habit.
Human trafficing "seems worse" because we romanticize the other things and tell ourselves that those women are "choosing" to sell their own bodies with no pressure from the outside...and thats just not true. A normal, well adjusted woman isn't going to sell herself like that. "something" is pushing her to that. Maybe not as subtle as a person actually shipping them across the ocean...but worse than you think. Is it "worse" to pay a girl's parents $200 then ship her to LA and cram her into a 4-bedroom apartment with 20 others...then make her work off her travel costs by screwing clients? Or is it just as bad to find a runaway teen on the streets, get her hooked on heroin and pot and meth...then arrange for her to screw clients and keeping the money she earns as payment for the drugs?
Theres no apples and oranges here...just different varieties of apples.
My first escort, and only Outcall (where they come to you, (home, hotel)) was a girl that claimed she was 24. I don't think she was 24. I don't know if she was 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, or 20….but she didn't seem 24. And I've been to at least 2-4 massage parlors where it's fairly clear that these women are not just American citizens that have "decided" to sell their bodies. These women can't speak English (at all). They are sleeping on couches in a back room and the guy running the place goes back and taps them on the shoulder to wake them up.
I even had a very intimate relationship with a masseuse, I think she really liked me. But she couldn't speak a lick of English. I liked her so much, I sent her a long email and gave her a 1-800 number and pleaded with her that IF she was being trafficked…to please call that number or let me know so I could try and help. I never heard from her again. I don't know if the Pimp/Trafficker intercepted it or if she got it and couldn't read it or if she understood it but had "decided" to keep working the industry.
It's sad man. I hate it. I wish it was like Amsterdam and it was regulated. I wish actual TRAFFICKERS…could get the death penalty or some type of really cruel and unusual punishment for what they've done. But I don't think me deciding to never pay for sex again is going to cure the problem.
Fortunately, for monetary reasons, I've given up virtually all of those types of "services". I think in 2013 I only made it to the strip club 1-2 times, to the massage parlor a couple times, and never did the escort thing. Just don't have that kind of cash. I think I spent around $5000 last year on sex and I just can't afford that right now.