The Hypocrisy of Prostitution

I have to disagree with you comparing prostitution with human trafficking. One thing is a prostitute having sex for money because she WANTS to do it and another very different are women and girls who are coerced into doing it regardless of age. The former, I'm all for it; I'd be doing it if the risk of getting caught by LE was zero percent, but the latter is a serious crime.

Just as a "disclaimer"...for those that may have read a previous article I posted similar to this one....I actually wrote this one because I thought the other one didn't get approved. Turns out I didn't check the "submit" button...and now they're both posted...

Just didn't want people to think I was "on a mission" or anything.

JayJay....I'm glad that you've never pushed it to the level of escort/prostitute...thats a good thing.

But believe me...the difference between a prostitute and a victim of human trafficing is much, much less than you think. From what I've seen first hand...first hand...there's very little difference. Women are often "convinced" to be escorts..."convinced" to street walk... Some women "decide" to becuase they are down and out and either mentally ill or addicted to drugs...but generally there's a pimp of some kind behind all those escort ads...and he's "convincing" them to do it and "convincing" them not to quit...and getting paid for his interest.

i think its the norm in this society to keep sex and sex for money as taboo even if its clearly obvious.its a hush hush thing . not so worried about the copsbut theres many other things

Yeah...I think you could easily crush the prostitution game by coming out with a visual marker for Herpes rather than police action.

I used to frequent that lifestyle...massage parlors, escorts, strip clubs, orgy parties. But after a "herpes scare" (turned out to be nothing)...that was the end of it. Between the risk of incurable disease (even with a rubber) and the cost (money)...just whack it to some porn and call it an evening.

First of all, on Human Trafficking. Not all prostitution qualifies by a long shot. Here is the dictionary definition of it.

"organized criminal activity in which human beings are treated as possessions to be controlled and exploited (as by being forced into prostitution or involuntary labor)"

Now, an controlling relationship does not simply qualify. It has to be organized criminal activity and the person has to be treated as a possession, not simply an unequal relationship. This is one case where the club may be a better format than some others since I have not seen a club owner who regards the dancers as possessions. Many may have a loser boyfriend that is trying to leech off of them, but the club owner regards them as workers freely employed.

As to the original article. Everything that local government does eventually boils down to two things...personal safety and property values. Now, since resources, particularly prosecutors, courts, and jails are in short supply inevitably the decision is made to focus on the form of prostitution that is least likely to affect property values or cause downstream problems with personal safety. Inevitably streetwalkers are the number one target. If clubs and massage parlors get too obvious about what is going on inside then pressure builds on local politics to 'clean up the community' because of the effects on property values. Typically the lowest priority, unless there is a violation of child prostitution or human trafficking, is escorts.

Working in the background on this are moralists who see government as a tool for their moral mission. They too can exert influence it it become too obvious what it going on, so there is another need to be a bit low key.

The final reasons to keep things low key is that paying for sex is somewhat shameful both for the dancer as having to rely on that as her only marketable skill and to the guy as his only way to get sex. Also being somewhat on the sly about it is sexy. Think of sexy dialogue in the movies. It is all about innuendo and double meanings.

It's just silly to me to see posters, etc... talk about how they don't want to be specific or give away any specific clubs because the cops might be on TUSCL trying to figure out which establishments are doing pay for play.

Ever heard of Craigslist? Backapage? The Yellow Pages? If I were a cop I could bust 10 prostitutes each evening...without so much as even trying. Go to ANY massage parlor after 7PM...ANY massage parlor after 7PM...bingo, theres a bust.

It's just so comical to hear strip club goers act like when they got laid at the club it was some unique experience that normally never happens...meanwhile, in Tijuana or Detroit...thats ALL that happens...24/7. Or dancers that pretend they're just a half step below "ballet dancers" and they're just selling their talent and interesting conversation...nothing more. Yeah right. Maybe thats all you're selling for $25...but for $250, $400...most of them will let you pull their hair while they bark like dogs and you drill them from behind while slapping their asses and calling them whores.

Lets not romantacize it.

The biggest "issue" I have with discovering pay for play is I can no longer go to the club and just spend $60-$80 then go home with blue balls. Even if I "intend" to go to a club for that purpose...after 3-5 dancers shake their perfectly shaved vaginas in your face...you just say "fuck it" and go to the VIP booth to bust a nut. And once you've decided thats what you want...to find out the girl actually "doesn't" play for pay...or has some crazy price...then you're disappointed, almost pissed off.

Leonard313: "...not even the trafficing (if they're over 18)."

I must be misunderstanding this. Trafficking doesn't bother you provide the women are over 18? Coercing people is fine as long as they are over 18?

Not sure where I posted that Dougster, but I'll take your word for it.

As I said in the above thread...I'd prefer that all of it end...strippers, prostitutes, massage parlors, sex slaves, escorts...I definitely am not advocating sex for money.

What I was trying to point out above is..to pretend that "human trafficking" is this huge big problem and cry for the poor girls that get caught up in it...THEN...turn around and say, "well, if an escort wants to screw for money, thats her business." Thats a naive hypocrisy. The girls working in those massage parlots are often times sex slaves. The escorts and prostitutes are often times reporting back to a pimp and not just allowed to "decide not to do it anymore." And many of them and the strippers are addicted to drugs and essentially a "sex slave" to their drug habit.

Human trafficing "seems worse" because we romanticize the other things and tell ourselves that those women are "choosing" to sell their own bodies with no pressure from the outside...and thats just not true. A normal, well adjusted woman isn't going to sell herself like that. "something" is pushing her to that. Maybe not as subtle as a person actually shipping them across the ocean...but worse than you think. Is it "worse" to pay a girl's parents $200 then ship her to LA and cram her into a 4-bedroom apartment with 20 others...then make her work off her travel costs by screwing clients? Or is it just as bad to find a runaway teen on the streets, get her hooked on heroin and pot and meth...then arrange for her to screw clients and keeping the money she earns as payment for the drugs?

Theres no apples and oranges here...just different varieties of apples.

Dougster are you Gloria Steinem in disguise?

Hey, Payer11 are you a retard in disguise? Oh, wait, never mind. No disguise in your case.

I just find it odd that some men will look at a guy that does a stripper in the VIP area as a "conquest" yet if a guy bangs a gal in a massage parlor, a girl that can barely speak English and is obviously a sex trafficking victim…well, "that crosses the line."

My first escort, and only Outcall (where they come to you, (home, hotel)) was a girl that claimed she was 24. I don't think she was 24. I don't know if she was 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, or 20….but she didn't seem 24. And I've been to at least 2-4 massage parlors where it's fairly clear that these women are not just American citizens that have "decided" to sell their bodies. These women can't speak English (at all). They are sleeping on couches in a back room and the guy running the place goes back and taps them on the shoulder to wake them up.

I even had a very intimate relationship with a masseuse, I think she really liked me. But she couldn't speak a lick of English. I liked her so much, I sent her a long email and gave her a 1-800 number and pleaded with her that IF she was being trafficked…to please call that number or let me know so I could try and help. I never heard from her again. I don't know if the Pimp/Trafficker intercepted it or if she got it and couldn't read it or if she understood it but had "decided" to keep working the industry.

It's sad man. I hate it. I wish it was like Amsterdam and it was regulated. I wish actual TRAFFICKERS…could get the death penalty or some type of really cruel and unusual punishment for what they've done. But I don't think me deciding to never pay for sex again is going to cure the problem.

Fortunately, for monetary reasons, I've given up virtually all of those types of "services". I think in 2013 I only made it to the strip club 1-2 times, to the massage parlor a couple times, and never did the escort thing. Just don't have that kind of cash. I think I spent around $5000 last year on sex and I just can't afford that right now.