Negotiating prices for VIP service.

If what they quote is hilariously overpriced, then I pass. A dancer who starts at $1200 doesn't want to negotiate down to a sane price.

If a dancer asks for 10%, 20%, or even 30% over the going rate, then she's just testing the waters. I'll offer a bit below the going rate and expect the compromise to be roughly the going rate or a bit above (or she might pass). Usually, the VIP quality is good, but once in a great while it isn't.

But I agree that I don't love haggling. It greatly depends on the dancer.

The desperation in these dancers are starting to reek. I got two VIP dances yesterday and the girl asked me to do one more, and after I said I have to go being on a tight time schedule, she said “take my number and we can meet OTC”. Declined and went to the bar to finish my drink when another dancer asked me to go have fun in VIP. Told her I already had my fun and need to go, and she also immediately wanted me to take her # to set up OTC, and this was within - 2 minute conversation of getting to know each other for the first time. They will try anything to make a $.

Can you imagine REALLY hagging?

How much? For that pussy? That pussy is all worn out.

This pussy is fine. Ask anybody. ten guys a day and no complaints.

Exactly! It is worn out. Probably way too big now.

The only way it is too big is if you're too small!

Wait a minute. I see a sore! that's a sore.

That's not a sore! This pussy does NOT have a sore.

I can see it! Right there!

That's not a sore. It's a freckle!

Ugh, forget about that pussy. What about that asshole next to it?

Not for sale!

All right, all right! I'll take the worn out pussy with sores, but at half price!

It's definitely a balancing act. Her first offer is often going to be "too high '. You might be able to really low-ball her, but as noted the service might suck, especially if she doesn't care to make you a regular.

I suppose this is why some guys tip extra for quality service, with the idea she has to keep performing to keep getting it.

"You might be able to really low-ball her, but as noted the service might suck, especially if she doesn't care to make you a regular."

Seems like I've been seeing this trend in reviews. Author proudly states he gets the initial offer of $300 down to $200. Then finds the experience subpar. Wonder why? ;-)

It’s all gonna depend what they look like for me. We recently passed a trillion dollars in credit card debt for Americans, you have to think at some point where’s that other money coming from.

Just because a dancer quotes a “high price” for anything doesn’t necessarily mean that’s a polite way of saying no. In fact, that’s her way of letting you know that A) other PLs have indeed paid that price before and B) the price is fairly commensurate with how much she makes inside the club on average. I’ve known really good looking, high mileage dancers who can pull in 3k plus (not including tips) on any given day so your 200-1400 dollar tip is inconsequential. Too much negotiation and scoffing only paints you as cheap and unsophisticated. If you don’t like her price, just say no and move on to a dancer that provides you with services conducive to your budget.

One thing that’s helped me along the way is I make every offer walking away. I can turn back but if not I’m outta here to bring to the other 50 billion girls out there. Nothing wrong with folding to live to fight another day if it ain’t right.

Negotiations can impact a performance. I try to avoid negotiating. But I will play along if it seems they are inviting. Depends on the dancer. and how horny I am.

That said...... I've recently tried the 'all I have on me is ' X$. Seems to work if you have a firm number in mind

I agree on the firm offer. That or if she goes high and wants to sell if you just say you wish you could but that’s more than you can do she may either ask you for a number or start negotiating with herself. Statingcc bc a reasonable number you will pay is different from going back and forth trying to save every last dollar.

I also tell her I only talk money before because it’s a mood killer during dances

Negotiating is locality-dependent. Here in SoCal, nude clubs are essentially brothers or at least extras factories, for ~95% of dancers. And there’s lots of customers with money, who are willing to pay lots for convenience & the lack of need to make personal effort. So the sharks eat the chum, and us wary prey must work harder to avoid getting eaten. But negotiations are as standard as the extras: these are pros, and they aren’t offended or embarrassed by the transactional nature of sex.

You need to be willing to walk, and to play the long game. I try to ease into the subject, then float my “usual” rate “if you’re interested”; they’ll usually counter too high, I’ll politely decline and move on. Maybe half eventually come back & fold like chairs, either this visit or next. But I do day shift & am clearly a regular, so that might impact results too.

Every girl has every right to set their price for each transaction, and every customer has the power to say “too much.” It’s not a fast food value menu. You just need to be willing to do it, and to accept defeat sometimes. Welcome to the free market.

PS If you believe what the salesgirl says about what other people pay, how successful they are, and how you get what you pay for, you get what you deserve LOL.

^ just like buying a car, no two people pay the same price for the same car.

Your analysis should be to assess whether prices or up or you’re just running into some dancers who are trying to get a little more. “Market price” is not a constant. Ultimately just decide on what you’re willing to pay. Your number will need to adjust to the market. That’s how markets work. Best to not get offended by too high a price. Just be willing to say no. Or say, not right now.

^ While I do agree that no two people pay the same price, just like no two people get the same type of mileage, I do believe that price often dictates the level of service you receive in this business. And that applies to inside the club as well. A high quality dancer capitulating to a lower price doesn’t mean you’ve won either, it only means you’ll get the type of service that you’re willing to pay for. The only difference is she won’t tell you that. A 100 dollar tip warrants 100 dollar mileage, and so on and so forth. What she provides for the guy who consistently pays more money is significantly different than the service she gives to someone who tips less. Obviously, she cares more about retaining the guy who spends more over guy who always negotiates to the lower end of the spectrum.

In that moment, she may agree to the lower price but in her head she’ll get you somewhere on the back end. Whether it’s through truncating your time together or providing a lackluster return. It’s like going to a 5 dollar blackjack table - you might think you have a better chance of winning but you still lose more money in the long run. Especially time wise and nobody wins long term playing 5 bucks a hand. Same premise applies here.

^ you’re really overthinking it, paying a fair price is not lowballing
A willing buyer and a willing seller come to an agreement is all that’s needed.

If the quoted rate is more than 30% I don't even bother to negotiate anymore. I had this one 10 at Landing Strip start at $1k. I laughed it off before she could even finish her quote. We almost didn't get dances. She came down to regular rate for dances and she ended up having all these rules, even for extras. Afterwards, she put on the hard sell for OTC, her panties, all kinds of stuff and started seeming kind of crazy. At these places where you have to pay to go back each time it takes a lot more vetting. Let's hope inflation isn't ruining it.

If they are bitchy because of negotiation, then I'm not as nice too

@25 - I’m not a paralysis of analysis guy with all due respect, I just know the difference through experience. A willing buyer and a willing seller doesn’t exactly mean fulfillment. It just means you came to an agreement and that’s it. Willingness does mean jack. Great service means more to me than her willingness to say yes. I want both not just a yes.

^ good luck buddy hope you’re getting your moneys worth.

Thank you sir. I sure am. Have been for quite some time. It’s even better when you flat rate them and time/boundaries don’t exist anymore.

I have a couple of FWBs, I help them out with some things but they don’t like to think of themselves as being whores, so it’s not really a straight up pay to play, but it has its advantages for me, so I’m happy with my situation.

That’s your agreement and if that’s what makes you happy, who am I to knock it. Kudos. I’m not big on semantics and don’t treat them as “whores”, although that’s an easy implication to make with anything transactional in this type of sub culture. I can’t help the way they feel about themselves as they obviously deal with a wide range of people from all walks of life. I can only control me, my money and the level of service I’m accustomed to as a result. If someones paying 300 bucks for a back rub and a dancer blowing in their ears, and their happiness is achieved, everyone else’s opinion is a moot issue.

Yeah it's all bs, cause she will say give me a $300 dollar tip then you'll say sorry I can't do you'll be like I can only do $120 or $150 maybe next time as you walk away she's like wait wait actually okay that's good we can do it. They're just saying a high price first to initially get something or what they originally wanted

Think about it like this I want to sell a bike or Playstation on OfferUp or Craigslist, let's say I want $150 for the bike, if I put 150 everyone is gonna low ball down to like 100 or 80 etc. So the trick is you gotta put a higher price like $220 or $250 so when they low ball or make lower offers you get what you originally wanted like $150 or $160.

Same with the dancers if they say their real price everyone is gonna try to talk it down, so they have to say something much higher to get what they originally wanted or what is fair. They're just trying to make more but are still happy to take anything

^ Wow, that was prolific. Never knew negotiating with a 10 was tantamount to buying a used playstation. “Hey beautiful, I know you just quoted me 500 bucks but how about 120 bucks and a 5 dollar scratcher instead?” . Yeah, that might work with all the Gorditas at Sam’s Hofbrau but that’ll go over like a lead balloon at at place like 4play . If you’re consistently getting quality service from quality dancers playing the shell game then you should do a TED talk on the art of negotiating.

I just meant it in a way that they will say 300-400 etc but then when you say I only have 100 or 150 sorry maybe next time. Then they're like fine let's do it that's good. They are just trying to get more in the first place but still want anything after. So their initial price is usually bs that's all I was saying. Cause if they were really firm they would say 300 only why do they all of a suddenly still jump and immediately say yes from 350 to 150. They're just trying to get more but still want something hahahha. So don't always fall for the initial price unless she's really holding firm and true to it

I don’t think you’re grasping what I’m saying . Anybody with any semblance of intelligence can try to negotiate any price point, depending on the circumstances. However, for most high quality dancers, there is always going to be an acceptable threshold for what they will/won’t do at a certain price - especially when they have guys throwing money at them all the time for no viable reason. Your money isn’t as important as you think it is (I’m talking 9s/10s) and that level of importance precipitates the lower you go. Unless you can provide great coke and front row tickets to a Drake concert. Let me give you an example - ever try to negotiate a price at a Mercedes dealership? How much flexibility do you think you would you have vs negotiating a price at a Kia dealership? Rhetorical question.

Yeah for sure haha my bad now I get what you're saying. Like the average ratchety brats that do extras with everyone or aren't very special of course they will give a different price to everyone depending on your attractive ness as a man or how you come off personality. So if it's just a basic girl in the club a 5/6 that does just the average you can talk things and she'll work it out

But yeah I get what you mean the real hot golden girls that we really want who do the real good extras those are harder to get so they have a set price, and at that point a price is a price, they're high quality and the hottest girls at the club, so they need more money I get that

@ Dusty - For the most part, yes. Girls who know they are hot (top 5 percent), also know their worth and will ALWAYS find a willing man to parts ways with their money for the goods. Period. There’s no reason for them to buckle on a lower price because it’s not even worth minimal effort on their end. Not to mention, the above and beyond price that they set for themself is directly tied to their ego. I knew a gorgeous dancer in Miami that commanded several thousand dollars from the likes of ball players and millionaires living in Biscayne Bay. One day I threw her my offer, which was pretty good in my opinion, and she scoffed/laughed in my face and proceeded to throw herself all over the fat cat who paid her just to have drinks with him. No big deal. It happens. Live and let live as they say.

Thanks man hahaha yeah good stuff. Yeah some do that ask for like 700 or thousand dollar tips I'm like are you smoking??? I'd only pay that much if your a pornstar. Yeah man let live, as you said before YMMV, like they may see one person as unattractive weak and lame, then see another guy with more of a skin or manliness, better looks, character whatever then they choose him instead. Yeah just let it be and live haha :)

Time for lowpaw quote: " I will beg for pussy, I will pay for pussy, but I will not beg to pay for pussy."

That's a pretty good one bro, if they don't want your money, then Fck them seriously hahahha. She'll see you spending on other dancers and over time realize she was the one that played herself, the money could've been hers but since she ignored or dissed you now it's not

Like sometimes girls say they're on break or have to go talk to their manager in the back then go right next to a customer and sit for like 30 mins right in front of me, yeah I agree with you guys at that point it's like you offered her money, and shes just being a bitch and disrespecting you, so you should just leave her and not beg for it.

Yeah your guys advice is good, I gotta keep it cool sometimes don't let it get to you too hard, just let it go and find a more appreciative dancer, like I already said she'll realize later on the money that she sees you purchasing dances from other strippers she'll think that could've been hers but she was acting all that or better. I know I'm repetitive sometimes just making sure I'm clear

Usually whether or not I negotiate depends half on my mood and half on how hot the dancer is. And if I do, I make one counter offer. If she's not on board, then I'm done.

I'll also note that on several occasions, I've taken a pass without negotiating and the dancer comes back to me later with a lower, more reasonable offer. And we're off to the races.

It's not 3D chess.

My personal experience with ITC extras is that the service level depends much more on her mood than on how much you pay. There's usually an absolute minimum that a girl won't go under, and night to night she may want more than that. But as long as she's not in a shitty mood, the service level is generally about the same once an agreement is struck

Obviously if you throw $2K at a girl that usually charges $300 you may have a different experience. But mostly I've not seen a real different between something like 300 and 500

Also the things that make some difference is how you treat them and how well you connect with them. They are sex workers and money always comes first, but they are not devoid of feelings

There's no magic right answer here.

There's certainly no way to actually know you're getting better or worse service buy just paying the quoted above market rate vs negotiating down to standard market rates or even below. Even if you found a correlation between poor service and negotiation, you can't conclude that a causal relationship exists. The causal relationship could very well lie with whatever reason she had for quoting high prices to begin with, and the service could have been the same even at the higher rate.

I personally haven't found much correlation between service level and price. I've paid well over market for shitty service and somewhat under market for fantastic service with very similar looking girls. I never negotiate for dances, I pay the club rate or I pass. If a girl says she charges extra for dances, I say no thanks and end the conversation. I rarely negotiate for rooms, but in the cases where I have, I can't say the girls I've negotiated downward have been generally less enthusiastic than those I haven't.

I usually try to avoid the issue all together. I try to know market rates and be the one who does the offering. "I'd like do spend some time with you in the room, I can do $x for you and I'll pay the house fee" I'm usually pretty firm about not haggling, but I will sometimes accept a counter if it's reasonable. That's it though, no second offers or splitting the difference. After that, I consider the relationship soured and its both for both of us to move on. I've found that most girls will accept an offer squarely in the center of market range with zero haggling, the ones that don't are often looking for substantially above market. In those cases, both parties move on.

"she'll realize later on the money that she sees you purchasing dances from other strippers she'll think that could've been hers"

No Dusty. She won't think anything, because she won't see you, because she doesn't care about you. You really need to understand this. You're trying to play games, but you're the only one playing. Let it go.

^@5footguy - lol be nice. I think we can all learn a thing or two from Dusty. I’ve already learned how to negotiate lower prices for used PlayStations and how to employ hardball negotiation tactics with hot dancers so I can secure “their real price”. I’m sure they’ll be falling in line for 95 dollar tips soon enough. Sky’s the limit.

I don't have an issue, or for that matter consider it haggling if she quotes a price and you make one counter offer, especially if it is done in a friendly light way that allows her to circle back later. Its also not a bad thing if a super cute girl gets a little more money.

"she'll realize later on the money that she sees you purchasing dances from other strippers she'll think that could've been hers but she was acting all that or better."

dude she's not fucking acting. she knows her own self worth. she's a 9 and she knows it and can command way more than what you can or willing to offer. so what if you're getting other dancers and paying less.? do you honestly think that's going to really impress the shit out of her? at some point you really turned her off, to the extent that as far as she's concerned you're as good as dead to her. the only way to you can get off her shit list is to acquiesce to her rates, which me personally i don't think is a good idea.

its kinda of hard to backpedal once you have closed the deal if you went high the 1st time. Its best just to set the tone early and dont move from your offer (baseline). doesnt matter how hot she is. this is a marathon, and you have to budget. You want to be someone thats solid for her. They all get the same amount from me. Looks dont matter because you will get tired of the hot girls too.

Everytime she sees you she knows what she gets. If she doesnt perform give her less then what she usually gets. she will test you to see if she can get away with it.

Ever since the height of COVID and now post COVID the clubs in my area went up $5 on floor dances as well as VIP. Most dancers I encounter in the club now are putting their own $5 or more on top of the going rate. Whenever they or I ask for a dance I always ask what's their price. I always counter the $5 plus rates and if they remain firm I'll only get a dance if she's super hot.

I can't tell if the service is subpar if negotiated lower than the $5 plus, but I tend to just wait out for the going rate ladies.

You have to take culture into context. In my local area we have a bunch of clubs that are flush with Cubans and other Caribbean Islanders. As such you have to take their first quote as an upsell and negotiate down.

If I go to one of the American nationality only clubs in the area I'd never do this as the chances of the dances becoming suddenly subpar is all but guaranteed.

Ime the more ghetto a dancer is the more likely they are to upsell with the intent to not fulfill their offer.

Not sure I agree with the Cuban/Caribbean as hagglers, but I do agree that there is a cultural element. Some clubs, I think mostly the ones that have a mix of tourist and local customers, have a culture where girls will absolutely come out with a pie in the sky number expecting to settle for a much lower number. But they can't come out with the low number to start, cause guys will try to jew them down to nothing if they do that.

You think high initial offers are because the expectation that the PL will "jew" them down? Maybe it's because the dancers have been "gypped" in the past. You know, some dude "welched" on paying. Maybe it's like that episode Married with Children were Al Bundy "jerry-rigged" a dollar to a string so he could be an "indian giver". smh

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