How much of a fine or jail time would deter you from the hobby?
nicespice
I’m not really interested in debating the merits of that study, nor really debating how to actually regulate that, and I didn’t even try to look up the study that got cited. I just figured it would be interesting to ask the board what their upper limits would be for their hobbying.
Jail time would really suck and I imagine any amount of time would be its own can of worms because of criminal background checks, disruption to work life, disruption to family life, etc
But what if the fine was applied like a speeding ticket and it didn’t show up on your record and you were merely given a dollar amount? Would those fine numbers start working as a deterrent or would they be weak sauce? Just thought it might be interesting to hear answers.
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"In the year after the law took effect, an analysis of court records showed that 518 felony solicitation of prostitution cases were filed. Of the 232 cases that have been disposed of, only 11 (5%) ended in felony convictions.
Meanwhile, 178 cases (77%) of those that were disposed of were dismissed under what’s known as pretrial diversion. In those deals offered by prosecutors, defendants generally were required to take a decision-making class or “John’s class, ”and either pay a fine or make a donation to the Houston Area Women’s Center. In return, those Johns were later given an opportunity to get the criminal charge expunged -- wiped off their record."
https://www.khou.com/article/news/invest…
I also don't like his bio line or whatever that is called, the shit about protecting the freedom and dignity of the most vulnerable. There's plenty of SW'ers out there who've chosen the line of work, taking it away from them isn't granting anyone freedom. Nor is marginalizing them for their decision protecting their dignity. I don't understand why sex work is treated so differently. I don't doubt some people are coerced into sex work, but its not the only thing they're forced into. No one wants to see anyone forced into any sort of work, weather its fucking and sucking or assembling electronics. Yet people don't seem to suggest fining people for using iPhones to reduce demand because some percentage of them are made with forced labor the way this guy is suggesting it as a resolution to the problem of sex trafficking.
“In Montgomery County, prosecutors have been enforcing the law much differently. Of the 39 disposed of cases since the law went into effect, 33 resulted in criminal convictions,”
The law is intended to exclusively go after the buyers of sex, males. Knowing that and seeing the groups behind it commenting, I’d recommend being careful. This law has nothing to do with stopping anything, this law is meant for making the right people feel good and to make headlines.
Strip clubs aren't illegal and just going to watch girls dance is still legal. It's the propositioning for sex for money that is illegal. Just propositioning a hot girl for sex is still legal as well.
~ Charton Heston aka John Charles Carter
~ White Privileged actor - activist
~ Born October 4, 1923 Wilmette, Illinois, U.S.
~ Died April 5, 2008 Beverly Hills, California, U.S.
“Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!”
~ As George Taylor in the movie Planet of the Apes (1968)
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I don't even know the penalties around me, or consider them when buying extras.
However, my job requires annual background checks and midemeanors don't effect anything but any felony would result in my immediate termination. The last thing I want to do is lose a job I like and have to start job hunting with a fresh new felony on my record.
Luckily the areas I monger in don't aggressively target prostitution too much unless they believe it involves human trafficking. Also it generally only results in a misdemeanor and a fine or maybe a few days in county lockup. If they started aggressively prosecuting felonies for solicitation I would have to find a different area to travel to for my hobby fix.
High fines and jail time is only one of the problems involved here. That would drive it even more underground. There is already a risk you are walking into a setup where you might get robbed and I think that risk would increase if this hobby was driven even more underground. The girls have to worry about being robbed and also raped so they may have it worse than us guys. I'd like to see prostitution legal but kept discreet. I don't want hookers plying their trade on the sidewalk in front of my home.
We are fortunate here in KY that simple prostitution is a misdemeanor. In addition, the law explicitly states that one cannot be convicted or either prostitution or solicitation of same based on the testimony of another person. In other words, you have to admit it yourself. The only exception to that is if the prostitute or john is actually a cop with a wire.
Of course, that won't stop an *arrest*, but a good lawyer should be able to get you off if you keep your mouth shut. Which you should *always* do with cops anyway, no matter how small or large the crime is.
ACAB.
Effectively there already is a fine for careful Johns. You pay her for her time, don't ask for sexual acts and just hope they happen. Sometimes they don't. Doesn't matter much to me, because often you don't click with her, sex or no sex.