why dont strippers work the floor

lazy, drunk, strung out, primadonnas, ridiculously high self image, take your pic.

Some strippers are lazy...sometimes they don't want to technically "solict" anyone...sometimes it's just that they don't think that you're interested & they don't feel like getting rejected anymore. You'd be surprised how much it's the latter in that list too.

this is also a pet peeve of mine. I have asked girls about it and most say that they are tired of being rejected over and over again and do not want to be pushy. One girl asked "If someone wanted me to dance, wouldn't they just come up and ask me?" It is a damned if you do, damned if you don't for the girls, but personally I think the floor manager should be making sure guys are taken care of. One of my fav clubs used to have a house mom who would walk around the bar and split up the girls sitting together or push the ones sitting alone to circulate. Not all the time, but once every half hour or so. I thought that was really effective.

Will I believe and have been told that some dancers that others are just hanging around waiting for their regulars. I know that in my own case a lot of dancers avoid me because thri know who my favorites are and do not compete mileage wise. There have been times when none of favorites were around and the only dancers that would come near m were newbies to the club.I have been surprised both ways.

I actually prefer it that way. I'd rather just sit by myself watching the girls dance onstage until I see one who appeals to me, then I'll go ask her to join me. I don't like a club where girls keep coming over and asking me if I want company, it's annoying.

Fear of rejection, just like everyone else. How many people are really good at cold-calling? That's, in essence, what these gals are doing.

"why is it that i can sit down at my favorite club and have no girl approach me."

The strippers who have the stomach and fortitude and the tenacity to relentlessly work the "wanna dance" approach or some variation - have generally tended to be among the top earners, and that's partly because they constantly tend to also dig up regulars alot more than other girls also, regulars which typically have only a 3 to 6 month shelf life and therefore need to be constantly be replenished. I've known of girls who have made large money in the business and do not cold solicit at all (except on the tip rail when the guy approaches them) who for a time were making large money, but they either 9 or 10 level girls who can just lay back and let guys approach them, however even now this laid back approach is not working for them

Even though its a business transaction, its very hard for these girls to be rejected, because even though in rational terms many guys are either broke, just got to the club and are trying to settle-in, or maybe never dance with any girl - these dancers tend to take it very personally. The smart girls learn how to not overpush and to make gracious exits when the guy says no, and then they don't create bad will should the guy ever go to the club again

In the case you've cited with a noticeable reduction in dancers doing cold solicitations, it probably because in some club while foot traffic isn't bad for example sometimes filled with now unemployed construction workers, so there are now a huge amount of patrons that want to keep the stip club experience ultr-cheap and private dances is one way to blow a budget -and that's all tied to the downturn in the economy in many locations in the USA currently. So these girls are facing even more rejection, and some just cannot take it anymore.

Once again, FONDL hits the nail on the proverbial head.

What dancers don't realize is that a lot of guys won't go up to girls in a *regular* club and ask them to hang out...let alone in a strip club.

In a strip club when in the (admittedly rare case) where a customer ends up having some mutual chemistry factor longer term with a dancer, either ITC or OTC or both - its a real plus when the guy did the initial approaching, as some dancers consider this "wait till she asks" crap - straight from wuss-land.

In the real world in a regular club (lets say 20 years back) now THAT sometimes could be hard for a guy to have the guts to just walk up to a girl and say "hi" and start conversation, especially with the more attractive women, particularly since they were nearly always in the club with friends who would also be judging you. Rejection was in fact rejection although if you stomach it, and if you were more than presentable you'd end up getting lots of dates and often times alot more

It's simple, really. They've been rejected by all the other people who are there, so why should you be any different? I think, especially if you are in a new club, that you have to tip the dancers in order to have a chance to get dances.

Think of the way Pete Rose would help his team win, he would get lots of singles, then maybe steal second, or get to 2nd on on outfield fly out - and then often score, and help his team win. I think the dancers that can pitch for the small stuff and follow the approach outlined above, who go for the small (usually) one shot 20 to 25 dollar dances (or less in some locales) - they end up doing better because the lucky breaks then happen, and some customers end up regulars. They get the guy for one dance, make sure they sit on the lap for nearly an entire song for free while waiting for the complete song, then they nearly always give a real good in-close dance, so the guy will either buy a 2nd dance or at least remember the dancer. The point is these dancers know how to make money by giving something for value.

Brazilian dancers (as one example), who nearly always have seen true lack of opportunity in their host countries, I've noticed in general can handle rejection alot better, and many can relentlessly keep on track to not be discouraged by merely getting a no from a customer and can move on, and these small successes can add up to big successes at the end of a day. Shooting for Champagne rooms or VIPs or big scores is more typical of american dancers, and when they fail, they end up broke for the shift and discouraged

Now of course many american dancers have also adopted this "go for the small stuff" approach, and they also tend to do better than others

I have asked a couple of dancers and indeed, they are sensative to rejection in many cases. I found that hard to believe given their trade but now that I'm close to a couple dancers, it seems there are a lot of them who struggle with what they're doing to make a living. Many are supporting kids etc. but they're still people with emotions. Best way to land one you want is to tip better at the stage (5-10) and just say 'come see me'. It's an easy path even for the shy guys and girls.

I've noticed this a lot more also. One thing that really bugs me is when a dancer will go up to a group of people sit with them all night without ever getting a dance from them. This has nothing to do with regulars or being afraid of getting turned down. I've noticed this trend a lot more than normal. By first glance, these guys don't appear to have anymore money than the 20 ones they brought in from their piggy banks. My appearance can often resemble that of a cop, or so I've been told. I guess that scares a lot of them away. I often time leaves with hundred of dollars without even getting talked to. I also have little patience and don't like to get up and beg for dances. I guess it goes both ways.

bmwman69: Must be a car guy like me. One thing I've learned, and some of it because of this board and the collective wisdom, is to try to control the action in a club. Even if you're a little shy, you can turn into a new person in the club. I think it's important to get what you want and maintain respect. I think my suggestion of tipping extra at the stage and inviting a dancer over is a good ice breaker. If you see girls you like, don't sit there and watch others, get in the game. Buggest problem I have now is ditching those who cruise by the table that I'm not interested in. I tell them I'm waiting for someone so they don't waste our time.

FONDL, my thoughts exactly. I will find them if I am interested.

By the way, David9999, do you get paid by the word or something? Remember this is a site about strip clubs, not the WSJ!

I agree with rootman, getting rid of the pushy women is a bigger pain in the ass than getting dances. I hate it when dancers just sit down and camps out, just because they are bored. Usually I'll make it clear that I am waiting for someone (the real pushy one's will ask who I am waiting for - but luckily I am a regular so I know a lot of names to throw out there). I have had a few occasions where I'll tip a dancer with a 5 or 10 on stage and make it clear that I would love a dance or two, but the dancer is apparently tied with a regular, in which case I go to plan "B" and find another.

Part of the problem is girls from generation x. They're used to having everything handed to them.

Mindless drones, especially 7 or 8 or higher dancers, who keep asking for dances (maybe after just a bit of conversation) - will nearly always do the best. Nearly all the higher earners I know work this method, and I also noticed last week on the pink site a thread discussing and agreeing this very same premise

If the dancers are not looking like fools, they are probably laying off business, and not earning what they could earn

As for the 9 and 10 levels girls, many just lay back and are quite willing to lose business instead of being rejected, and the one I've noticed who does the mindless drone strategy and who flies in from 1500 miles and who works about once a month and goes all out - last summer told me she's done $3000 a night, which at first I thought was utter b.s. and maybe part of an escort tie-in, but when I saw her going from customer to customer on her subsequent visits to the club (w/o embarassment or shame for her 100's of rejections in her double shift) - I then realized she was probably telling the truth

I think it also partly depends on the "ethos" of a given club. Some places basically have the girls circulating all the time; in other places the girls learn to "expect" that a guy will approach them, or will make a comment when he's titty-tipping her at the stage that he wants her to come over when her set is done. If you don't know the particular club's system, you might find that your expectations aren't reasonable for that location, and therefore aren't likely to be met.

I find huge variation across the country. It seems to be a regional thing, like a common style. In Phoenix, the girls circulate and ask for dances. In Columbus OH, the girls seem to hang back and wait for the guys to make the move. In Tampa, they are downright aggressive. I think the girls learn from each other, and since many girls jump from club to club, the dominant approach gets passed around. I would agree with David9999, regardless of region, the girls who circulate and ask are the ones making the money. I don't understand the ones who just sit around. I guess they didn't have to do chores as kids.

I dont go and ask for money cause Im still having issues with the give me money for no reason thing. But I do approach guys who smile back at me and are friendly.

You can proposition me anytime wondergrl. ;)

As a person who spent a number of years in sales (and in clubs between sales calls), I never understood why dancers didn't ask for dances more often. I can understand the rejection part on their behalf, but this is their business. They are selling dances and not every customer will come to them. In sales, the more requests you make, the more sales you close. From the customer's perspective, I've also experienced on more than once, where I've asked a girl for a private dance and was told that she had a customer before me, could I wait. By the time she got done with the other customer, it was her turn on stage. I can only wait so long.

bmwman69...thank goodness I'm not alone. Sometimes even $10 tips at the rail doesn't work. Perhaps it's low expectations at my local clubs (WV panhandle), they seem happy just getting by, plus there's no grinding or touching for lapdances so fewer customers bother. Anybody ever ask a dancer how they can do better in a club as a customer?
Problem is one of the delights of a strip club is having pretty girls come up to me. I never even considered "fear of rejection" being a factor.