Is the party over for strippers?

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• CarolinaWanderer

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  16 years ago

  The "extras" girls did not show up until after 9/11? Somebody better tell the dancers I frequented most often in the late 80's and 90's that they were imaginary!
• David9999

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  16 years ago

  Obviously "Paris" is generalizing, of course there were "extras girls" many decades ago, and I would take to mean she means "extras" girls THEN started showing up in larger numbers, when it became more mainstream and more the norm and standard way of doing things in many clubs including certain upscale clubs In regards to the expense account issue, aside from closer scrutiny from auditiors and SEC rules etc, there were also various sexual harassment cases where women executives were dragged along with male managers in the office to entertain and discuss business with clients - to strip joints thus arguably creating the requisite "hostile work environment" - so the male managers had to chose between NOT inviting them out or going elsewhere - and they had to chose the 2nd because by not inviting them out that could also be construed as a form of gender based discrimination. So strip clubs lost these clients in large numbers.
• Dudester

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  16 years ago

  A lot of this has to do with what part of the country you were in. Some parts of the country handle recession well, others don't. It also has to do with the effeciency/inefficiency of the local vice squad. If you live in a part of the country that has oil, you will know boom and bust cycles. In 1996, the Houston PD vice squad had a major scandal and most, if not all of the vice cops were fired. It took about six to seven years for them to get back up to speed. In the interim, one local strip club was so brazen that it put a couple of mobile homes in the back parking lot and was openly running a 7/24 brothel. After a raid, the mobile homes had to go bye bye. However, the silver lining was that the gals at that joint went from 4's-6's to 7-10's. Of course, reaching back into the 70's and 80's, some clubs were brothels, they just had stripping in the front, and fucking in the back. One local club goes through the same cycles over and over. First, they get raided and lose their stripping license for 6 months. Whern they get their license back, at first they have 4-6's, who are cautious. Then the 6-8's reappear and at first there's good mileage, then they just start brazenly fucking everywhere (16-17 year olds sometimes appear). Then, they get raided again.
• ShotDisc

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  16 years ago

  buzz killers
• wondergrl5

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  16 years ago

  Thanx ShotDisc YES BUZZKILLERS
• David9999

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  16 years ago

  "Paris" is the only buzz killer here, the way I've consistently been dropping hundred dollar bills over the past year on strippers (like certain other patrons spend ones) is hardly a buzz killing move - quite the opposite in fact
• MisterGuy

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  16 years ago

  You the man Davy-boy...
• FONDL

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  16 years ago

  What I find amusing about the point of view expressed in the quote is that for as long as I can remember dancers have been complaining that it isn't as easy to make money in the business as it used to be. I heard that complaint 30 years ago. And how the hell do young dancers know what it was like 10-15 years ago? They were in grade school or younger at the time. They're probably echoing complaints of the 40 year old dancers they know. And for them it probably is harder to make big bucks, they're too old for the game. As for clubs closing their doors, I can't think of any that have done so in my part of the world in the past decade. But I can name a whole bunch of new clubs that have opened their doors. The number of both dancers and clubs is increasing. The opening quote only makes sense if you ignore all the evidence to the contrary.
• trojangreg

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  16 years ago

  I agree with FONDL. All the gloom and doomers are usually wrong. Historically businesses that do not suffer in hard economic times are related to vices. Why has Las Vegas grown so huge despite the economic downturns that have plagued other industries? How have the automakers and steel companies done over the last 20 years? The two publicly traded strip club companies that I own stock in (RICK & VCGH) are very optimistic and continue to buy more properties despite the poor economy. Why because people need to get away from the ordinary and mundane. They need to do something that is maybe a little fantasy. For some it is the crap table for others it is going to a strip club and hanging out with naked women for a few hours. In fact this afternoon RICK is announcing their first quarter results and then having a huge party at their Manhattan club. I wouldn't worry about the party being over for strippers. As long as "sex" is promoted in everything we do in life the strip clubs will be just fine. The only clubs in recent memory that have closed are not due to "no business" they were closed by law enforcement due to drugs and peripheral activities.
• David9999

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  16 years ago

  Here's some ancedotal evidence strippers (at least) business is down. I was in Club A on Tues for 3 hours early afternoon and Club B on Thursday and Friday for 2 hours each day, also early afternoon. I did a total of of 8 VIP (Champagne room or equivalent) 15 minute sessions with 2 different dancers in-between hang-out time with these dancers and I saw not a single other patron using the VIP setup during the entire 8 hours I spent in those two clubs. Perhaps its the typical February slowdown, however I should not the weather was very moderate. Even last summer (another supposedly slow period) was busier in regards to VIPs ect in those clubs Note the clubs did have a fair amount of patrons, they appeared to be buying few if any regular dances, but was absolutely no one (except myself) buying VIPs, plus it should be noted both clubs were full of hot women and therefore no shortage of talent
• BobbyI

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  16 years ago

  Aaahhhhhh.... Poor strippers.
• BobbyI

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  16 years ago

  "An now that you've been broken down Got your head out of the clouds You're back down on the ground And you don't talk so loud And you don't walk so proud"
• MisterGuy

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  16 years ago

  Maybe the VIPs are just a ripoff at that club Davy...
• DandyDan

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  16 years ago

  I personally don't know if the party is over for strippers, but if they thought it was, they just might find another line of work. There will probably always be strippers, though, and stripclubs will always exist in some form. But there may be less of them in the future.
• mmdv26

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  16 years ago

  SC's are clearly the entry and intermediate levels of the oldest profession. Safe for the newbie babe wanting to dabble in the sex (or simulation of it) for money gig. Good place to "pre-screen" for both parties to the escort thing. Like shooting fish in a barrel for the family man looking to have a mini affair with a chick half his age. All things considered, I don't see where the survival of the modern, clean, well-lit (except in VIP, please), SC is in question. Even if prostitution were to be legalized nationally, it would seem that the SC would be a good companion establishment. I would agree that the result of economic pressure probably shows up at the club sooner than at the gas station or grocery store. (We can only hope that prices do not rise as wildly at the club as at the other two places.....)
• FONDL

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  16 years ago

  When discussing the sexual aspects of stripping, you have to remember that there are an awful lot of clubs where there is little or no touching and an awful lot of girls are working in them, often by choice. We tend to forget that because most of us don't like such places. But they're a major part of the business and most of the girls who work in them aren't doing the things we talk about here.
• David9999

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  16 years ago

  The line the "party" is over would likely refer more to dancers as opposed to clubs. As I indicated "Paris" summary is quite perceptive however as for her saying "Clubs everywhere are starting to close their doors forever." - I'm not sure where that's happening. I know for certain that dancer incomes are getting hit hard, of course that's in relation to sometimes obscene pay levels from earlier periods, so with the more top shelf girls at least, there's still alot of cushion before Walmart will start looking attractive. In some locations its all but impossible to open a new strip club that also serves liquor, so in those cities and towns its very unlikely anyone would shut a strip club down, instead they would just sell the business as it would generally have signficant intrinsic value.
• MisterGuy

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  16 years ago

  The problem with seilling a property that's already a strip club is that in some locales the zoning laws have been changed so that the next owner of the place couldn't run it as a strip club.
• David9999

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  16 years ago

  true, simply transferring ownership could invalidate the adult club/liquor license. The bottom line in these these high entry barriers markets is that existing clubs tend to very valuable - probably no matter what happens to the economy. Think of a regular corner bar with very low traffic (w/o adult entertainment) in these restrictive markets. Strip clubs in comparison are in relative terms a license to print money - since they can sell 10 times as much booze, make money on dances and covers, and have the girls pay THEM to work there. This is why I would guess in these restritive markets I've noticed the owners sometimes actually off in Florida or some other far away locale, while they got someone else running the business day to day, as these businesses are very very profitable in some cases
• FONDL

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  16 years ago

  "... these businesses are very very profitable in some cases." Exactly. Which is why the original article's contention that "Clubs everywhere are starting to close their doors forever" isn't happening - the number of clubs is increasing not decreasing.