Paying a girl significantly more than she asked for
rickdugan
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Will I make my move during a time when I can sense that she really needs the money? ✔
Will I build rapport with her over time in order to be ready when the right time strikes? ✔
Will I negotiate when a girl is coming in at above what I believe is market? ✔
Do I club a little extra during certain special times (Christmas season, school supply week, last/first days of months) to try to find girls in the right frame of mind for what I am seeking? ✔✔
I could go on. Nobody is going to nominate me for Humanitarian of the Year anytime soon. 😆
But for some reason, the one thing that makes me feel crappy is when a girl asks for significantly less than she should. In that situation I will often give a girl a lot more than she requested. It's one thing to try to entice a girl to say YES. It's quite another to give her less than what it's really worth.
I had that situation come up just a short while ago. She is a very young and beautiful girl and she was fantastic. She was attentive and intuitive and found a thing that I love that only a few girls have ever found before in all these years and with countless women. At one point she practically had me speaking in tongues, lol.
But even if she hadn't found that special thing, I still would have paid her. She requested significantly less than she should have. IME sometimes when they're very young and maybe a little insecure they underprice themselves, which was definitely the case here. I just won't take advantage of a girl in that way. I gave her $150 more than she asked for and she was worth every penny. I also told her that she really needed to to reconsider what she was quoting and explained why, including the current market in J'ville. I know that some of the USASG guys would be booing me right now if I posted it there, but what this girl expected for what she did and how she looks was just criminal IMHO. I'm sure she'll learn over time, but I don't want to be one of the guys that she remembers taking advantage of her before she knew better.
Anyone else find themselves in this situation?
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My ATF used to always charge me $250 for our OTC arrangements that usually lasted 1-2 hours. She clearly could've charged a lot more and I would have happily paid it after the first time. In fact I usually gave her anywhere from $400-500 per visit. I actually kind of felt bad because I had negotiated her down from her original asking price of $400 before our first visit because I wasn't expecting the full on sensual GFE performance she gave OTC based on our ITC interactions.
Not at all, lol. Just giving her a lesson in local capitalistic economics. 😉
All joking aside, Jacksonville, though a small market in many respects, has an outsized group of hardcore mongers. They actively post about their adventures with specific girls on USASG and many take great pride in scoring primo ass for short dollars - it's a game for them. They work all the avenues, including escort sites, strip clubs and SA, among others.
I am definitely no white knight, but this girl is sweet and just trying to get back on her feet after recently having a baby. But if she keeps operating this way and hits the radar of the local hardcore mongers, she won't stay sweet for very long. All I did was explain the local landscape and economics to her. What she does with that is entirely up to her.
“sometimes when they're very young and maybe a little insecure they underprice themselves”
My experience is the opposite. The young (and beautiful) tend to way over inflate themselves
So, Rick, can you lay out what prices you feel are currently “fair market value” in Jacksonville. Apologies if you have state this somewhere already.
Like motor said though, its far more common for the young & attractive ones to have over estimated their appeal than ones who under estimate it. I can't count the number of newer girls who've quoted me 10x + typical rates only to come back 2-3 weeks later after realizing that the shit they see on Instagram and in movies isn't real.
I've given more than we negotiated when I thought she deserved it. I've withheld the amount I've tipped others (on top of the going rate) when I felt she thought she was the only party to this transaction. I've stopped in middle of the act and left the barest minimum sum when I felt she wasn't fulfilling her share of the bargain. That (stopping) is the hardest of all.
yeah these new girls sign up to a site and right away their starting price is already at least one grand. instant block.
“sometimes when they're very young and maybe a little insecure they underprice themselves”
this i always look for. in a market where a lot of young girls are delusional 6-7's feeling like they're entitled 8-9's i'll always be on the prowl for a real good deal. if she's unaware about her fair market value (fmv) i'm sure somewhere down the line she'll figure that one out. it's not in my personal interests to educate her about fmv.
here's what i'm curious about: would any guy be displaying these white knight tendencies if the girl wasn't willing to help you get your rocks off?
Well Libby or whatever the fuck your name is, this rick must say that you’re a gentleape. Good for you.
This rick must also give props to my brother from a hairless ape mother. I’ve always said the dugan is the smartest hairless ape on the planet. It takes true intelligence to see when it is appropriate to be generous.
Of course, I must admit that most of the time when I’m generous it simply reflects the alcoholic fog I am in at the time. Yeah, that’s right. This rick is a happy and generous drunk. Or at least I think I am. Who knows what happens when I overdo the drivin’ whiskey? Not me! ROAR!!!
Also, there is tipping and there is paying more than what you bargained for because it’s fair. I don’t do hardly any OTC, but when I negotiate ITC and OTC activities I try to leave room for a tip. I want the tip to truly be on top of a fair price for a good experience. It leaves both me and her feeling better, at least that’s my objective.
I have had multiple ITC experiences where a club has forgotten to retrieve me and a dancer from a room after our time is done. I’ve usually paid the dancer her fair rate for the extra time. On those occasions where the room isn’t going well, I’ve ended it when I thought I was hitting my price limit. I go to the same clubs a lot and don’t want a rep as a cheap ass being discussed in the dressing room.
Been there, done that, because I've made the mistake of telling someone how much I paid someone. He was pissed because I'd priced him out of her market. Like yours, she was gorgeous, blonde, skinny, giant perky tits, perfect skin. Exactly his type, and he'd been trying to get with her for ages, and was actually about to when I managed it. Then I "vastly overpaid" her, as he put it, and suddenly she wasn't interested in him. 😂🤣
For my part, it's not just because I feel bad for low-balling a really sweet, skilled, enthusiastic provider. It's paid dividends in the past with regard to getting her to answer when I message, instead of not.
Unfortunately, she's gone now, moved to SF for a really well paying job, so I haven't seen her in a couple of years, though she's still on my FB.
Keep in mind too though that I'm not dialing up girls posting on cheap escort sites. I'm meeting them either at the clubs or on SA and every single girl I've ever met on SA has a day job and is just using this to supplement, including this one. They are not pros and have largely avoid the pitfalls of dealing with the local community of hardcore mongers by coming in higher than most of them are willing to pay, especially when there are STG girls in this town doing car dates for $80 and 15 minute blow and gos with no holes barred for $120. But if she keeps operating like this she's going to hit their radar soon and, like I said, she won't stay sweet for very long.
Now I've been talking about an SA girl in this instance, but I've also done the same with OTC strippers. Often it has happened when the girl was BAF, the club was shit and the girl in question just wanted to give me a number she knew I wouldn't say no to. I reply by telling them I'll give them a firer amount instead. Now yes they were often grateful and much more likely to repeat when I treated them right, but more important to me was that I didn't feel like I took utter advantage of her desperation. It's one thing to offer OTC when you know a girl needs money, but yet another to try to get it on the cheap just because she's desperate. Maybe it's splitting hairs, IDK, but the difference matters to me.
I once knew a dancer in Houston who would full service ITC for$200. But, it was like fucking a board, so it was one and done for me. Some weeks later she saw me in a club and asked for a repeat. I said $50, but she didn’t go away. A minute later I said “We’ll?” She said “I’m thinking about it.” I left the club very soon thereafter,