Paying a girl significantly more than she asked for

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• Muddy

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  a year ago

  Depends how she is with me. If she super nice into making me feel awesome, not always trying to play hardball and going on about $$$ for fucking EVERYTHING I'm gonna have no problem sending extra stuff her way to make her happy. It's my pleasure, that girl is worth money. 100%. But damn it's just so rare to find that. Those girls who are usually not strippers and usually new sb's enjoy it while you can. They must deal with the biggest dickheads to become what they eventually become.
• Mate27

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  a year ago

  Wtf! Are you caesar Chavez reincarnated?
• whodey

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  a year ago

  I have given girls more than they asked for several times during otc arrangements. I've never gone so far as to tell her it was because she wasn't charging enough when I do it. I just call it an extra tip because she was so amazing. My ATF used to always charge me $250 for our OTC arrangements that usually lasted 1-2 hours. She clearly could've charged a lot more and I would have happily paid it after the first time. In fact I usually gave her anywhere from $400-500 per visit. I actually kind of felt bad because I had negotiated her down from her original asking price of $400 before our first visit because I wasn't expecting the full on sensual GFE performance she gave OTC based on our ITC interactions.
• rickdugan

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  a year ago

  ===> "Wtf! Are you caesar Chavez reincarnated?" Not at all, lol. Just giving her a lesson in local capitalistic economics. 😉 All joking aside, Jacksonville, though a small market in many respects, has an outsized group of hardcore mongers. They actively post about their adventures with specific girls on USASG and many take great pride in scoring primo ass for short dollars - it's a game for them. They work all the avenues, including escort sites, strip clubs and SA, among others. I am definitely no white knight, but this girl is sweet and just trying to get back on her feet after recently having a baby. But if she keeps operating this way and hits the radar of the local hardcore mongers, she won't stay sweet for very long. All I did was explain the local landscape and economics to her. What she does with that is entirely up to her.
• motorhead

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  a year ago

  I’ve often paid more than asked also - like 25, as a tip. So I have no issue with what you did. This caught my attention though “sometimes when they're very young and maybe a little insecure they underprice themselves” My experience is the opposite. The young (and beautiful) tend to way over inflate themselves
• Dan3635

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  a year ago

  Simple answer, nope, I haven’t. I’ve only done ITC and stuck with the fair negotiated deal. Or I’ve left without extras. So, Rick, can you lay out what prices you feel are currently “fair market value” in Jacksonville. Apologies if you have state this somewhere already.
• Dolfan

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  a year ago

  I've never given "given a lesson in local capitalistic economics" as in explained to them that I think they should be asking for more. But quite often I've tipped an extra $100+ and simply said thanks, I had a good time and I'd like to see you again. There's a few girls I've seen regularly that were somewhat below market, but periodically asked for help with shit and I'd usually help them out. With their extra asks they'd end up averaging about typical. Like motor said though, its far more common for the young & attractive ones to have over estimated their appeal than ones who under estimate it. I can't count the number of newer girls who've quoted me 10x + typical rates only to come back 2-3 weeks later after realizing that the shit they see on Instagram and in movies isn't real.
• Sgrayeff

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  a year ago

  Your money. Your choice. Prices are a reflection of demand and supply both. We should pay what we want to pay. No more. No less. I've given more than we negotiated when I thought she deserved it. I've withheld the amount I've tipped others (on top of the going rate) when I felt she thought she was the only party to this transaction. I've stopped in middle of the act and left the barest minimum sum when I felt she wasn't fulfilling her share of the bargain. That (stopping) is the hardest of all.
• drewcareypnw

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  a year ago

  I just pay them what they ask for, unless it's ridiculous then I pass.
• rattdog

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  a year ago

  10x + typical rates yeah these new girls sign up to a site and right away their starting price is already at least one grand. instant block. “sometimes when they're very young and maybe a little insecure they underprice themselves” this i always look for. in a market where a lot of young girls are delusional 6-7's feeling like they're entitled 8-9's i'll always be on the prowl for a real good deal. if she's unaware about her fair market value (fmv) i'm sure somewhere down the line she'll figure that one out. it's not in my personal interests to educate her about fmv. here's what i'm curious about: would any guy be displaying these white knight tendencies if the girl wasn't willing to help you get your rocks off?
• ilbbaicnl

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  a year ago

  If I have a truly good time with a sex worker, on principle, I don't want her to walk away from me with less than $200 - 250. Usually I do that by getting more dances. If the club's busy, and there's a big opportunity cost for her to spend more time with me, I'm more inclined to tip well, so she can move on quickly to harvesting the next PL.
• rickthelion

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  a year ago

  ^ Well Libby or whatever the fuck your name is, this rick must say that you’re a gentleape. Good for you. This rick must also give props to my brother from a hairless ape mother. I’ve always said the dugan is the smartest hairless ape on the planet. It takes true intelligence to see when it is appropriate to be generous. Of course, I must admit that most of the time when I’m generous it simply reflects the alcoholic fog I am in at the time. Yeah, that’s right. This rick is a happy and generous drunk. Or at least I think I am. Who knows what happens when I overdo the drivin’ whiskey? Not me! ROAR!!!
• Hank Moody

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  a year ago

  There are a few factors at work here. If it helps your psyche, Dugan, it was in your self interest to pay her a fair rate. If you see her again, you wouldn’t want her to have found out she undercharged you so much and possibly be bitter about it. She wouldn’t be able to focus on what she was doing the next time if all she could think about was that she gave it away. You can rest easy knowing you’re still selfish. Also, there is tipping and there is paying more than what you bargained for because it’s fair. I don’t do hardly any OTC, but when I negotiate ITC and OTC activities I try to leave room for a tip. I want the tip to truly be on top of a fair price for a good experience. It leaves both me and her feeling better, at least that’s my objective. I have had multiple ITC experiences where a club has forgotten to retrieve me and a dancer from a room after our time is done. I’ve usually paid the dancer her fair rate for the extra time. On those occasions where the room isn’t going well, I’ve ended it when I thought I was hitting my price limit. I go to the same clubs a lot and don’t want a rep as a cheap ass being discussed in the dressing room.
• georgmicrodong

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  a year ago

  @rickdugan: "I know that some of the USASG guys would be booing me right now if I posted it there" Been there, done that, because I've made the mistake of telling someone how much I paid someone. He was pissed because I'd priced him out of her market. Like yours, she was gorgeous, blonde, skinny, giant perky tits, perfect skin. Exactly his type, and he'd been trying to get with her for ages, and was actually about to when I managed it. Then I "vastly overpaid" her, as he put it, and suddenly she wasn't interested in him. 😂🤣 For my part, it's not just because I feel bad for low-balling a really sweet, skilled, enthusiastic provider. It's paid dividends in the past with regard to getting her to answer when I message, instead of not. Unfortunately, she's gone now, moved to SF for a really well paying job, so I haven't seen her in a couple of years, though she's still on my FB.
• rickdugan

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  a year ago

  I may be in the minority and, if so, that's OK. Part of what makes feel ok about the things that I do is that I know that I'm treating each girl fairly. When I'm paying her what she'd otherwise need to work 20+ hours elsewhere to make, for a much smaller time commitment, then overall I feel good about the transaction. By the number of girls who repeat with me, I'd say that they feel at least decent about it as well. Keep in mind too though that I'm not dialing up girls posting on cheap escort sites. I'm meeting them either at the clubs or on SA and every single girl I've ever met on SA has a day job and is just using this to supplement, including this one. They are not pros and have largely avoid the pitfalls of dealing with the local community of hardcore mongers by coming in higher than most of them are willing to pay, especially when there are STG girls in this town doing car dates for $80 and 15 minute blow and gos with no holes barred for $120. But if she keeps operating like this she's going to hit their radar soon and, like I said, she won't stay sweet for very long.
• rickdugan

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  a year ago

  @Jimmy: You're right that there is a selfish element to all of this. Isn't there almost always for all of us? And yes, what she might think of me when she gets wise to the local market is part of it. But even more important is how I feel about myself. Read what i said in my last post for more clarity. Now I've been talking about an SA girl in this instance, but I've also done the same with OTC strippers. Often it has happened when the girl was BAF, the club was shit and the girl in question just wanted to give me a number she knew I wouldn't say no to. I reply by telling them I'll give them a firer amount instead. Now yes they were often grateful and much more likely to repeat when I treated them right, but more important to me was that I didn't feel like I took utter advantage of her desperation. It's one thing to offer OTC when you know a girl needs money, but yet another to try to get it on the cheap just because she's desperate. Maybe it's splitting hairs, IDK, but the difference matters to me.
• Array

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  a year ago

  On the other hand….. I once knew a dancer in Houston who would full service ITC for$200. But, it was like fucking a board, so it was one and done for me. Some weeks later she saw me in a club and asked for a repeat. I said $50, but she didn’t go away. A minute later I said “We’ll?” She said “I’m thinking about it.” I left the club very soon thereafter,