Getting the Dancer Goods: Luck or Skill?

Both? In my experience, I have definitely gotten way more than I "deserved" because I had skills and had put in the time/effort to get myself in a really good situation. I can also remember a few other times where I was in the right place/right time.

Yeah, it's probably both, but I've been thinking back over my most memorable times ITC and rethinking which was more common.

Individual skill and charm is never going to work against you. So, if all other things (like money) are equal, then being truly likeable/funny/charismatic will help you with some dancers. But not all, certainly.

I'm not sure I would call it "skill and charm" per se. I am not an overly charming person and I don't have a high level of skill with the ladies but I do fine in a strip club. I would say it is more about just being a decent person who treats the dancers decently. If you do that and have the cash you will be fine.

However, I wouldn't go so far as to say "any man" could swap places with me and use the same cash to get the same results either. There are a lot of assholes out there who don't know how to act like a reasonable person and don't know how to treat others, especially strippers, with some respect and common decency. I'm sure those type of guys don't get the same type of service I do unless they pay a lot more for the ladies to overlook their behavior.

If it's a slow night, dancers are quite a bit more friendly. The fewer guys you have to compete with usually the better it is. I watched a pretty dancer sit at a table along with a couple other dancers for over an hour last night with no customers approaching her. When I approached her and asked for lap dances, she was friendly and I ended up having a nice time with her. It's been helping me lately that local clubs now have so many customers who just sit at their tables and drink.

So, being at the right place at the right time does help. Being friendly, polite and not overly demanding helps too. Also, I really think personal hygiene helps too. It feels like when I shower, brush my teeth and put on clean clothes before heading to the strip club the girls are just a bit friendlier and the lap dances are just a bit better.

I view myself as the SUPREME RULER OF THE UNIVERSE so it can’t be on my end would have to be on their end.

Luck IME. All the clubs I frequent now have ethnically Hispanic women from various south American cultures. If I'm getting high mileage dances without prior negotiations it's because I'm her first customer of the shift that wasn't (1) creepy (2) unhygienic (3) black listed.

According to Garp it’s just plain ole dumb luck

100x what whodey said. To say it requires charm and skill to score in a strip club I feel is an overstatement. The bar is much lower. We've said it in countless threads; things like basic hygiene and decency when combined with a few bucks is really all it takes in a strip club. Another thing that helps, at least around here, is doing those things consistently, as in being a regular. Again, calling that skill is a clear overstatement, but calling it luck is a mischaracterization too.

If I walk into the two clubs i visit most frequently, there's a near certainty that a stripper I find attractive will be in my lap getting handsy within 5 minutes or less. She'll sit with me and hang out for much longer than typical for her, she'll do more in the room, just generally show me a better time. Not because I was charming, handsome, or possessed any sort of skill whatsoever. But because I wasn't a passive bystander last time I was there, I approached her and politely asked her to join me. I did so while having recently showered and brushed my teeth, I was wearing clean but probably not high end clothes, when she came over I didn't immediately start groping her. I offered her a drink and food. I had a brief conversation, but didn't pry into her personal life or try to keep her there all night for free. I spent some money, and tipped modestly to moderately. And then I came back a week or two later and did it again.

Calling that skill and calling me charming is ridiculous. If you had to be all that to have fun, the club would be empty. The bar is much, much lower. But it's not dumb luck either. I regularly see guys fuck it up.

^ I’ve always believed that you make your own luck, and 99% of luck is being at the right place at the right time, the skill comes from knowing the right place to be and what time to be there.

"If I'm getting high mileage dances without prior negotiations it's because I'm her first customer of the shift that wasn't (1) creepy (2) unhygienic (3) black listed."

Lol. I've also been to Divas in Austin. And we all know that 1 and 2 do not be necessarily lead to 3, so those creepy and smelly dudes are getting served enough to keep going back. Is that luck, skill, or just plain business?

#1 pay what they expect for what you want.

Then , In no particular order...

- have good hygiene, shower before attending, brush teeth, fresh clothes, deodorant, etc.
- treat them with the respect you'd give any valued service worker
- respect their emotional and physical boundaries
- gently but firmly show that you will not be scammed
- be a regular customer
- leave without creating any problems
- tip the other servers
- observe local customs... stage tip if they stage tip, buy the lady a drink if thats a thing, etc.

"Skill" could simply be items from the list above.

"Charm" is probably interesting to them but inconsequential, since they're not civilians and you're not talking them out of their panties.

So is it:

1. Bring money
2. Bring your dick
3. Don't be a dick

That's it? Is that the bar to clear?

"...the skill comes from knowing the right place to be and what time to be there."

This actually sounds like something to consider. How times have we read in TUSCL "I went back to find x and she wasn't there"? But is that skill or is that TUSCL? Well reviewed clubs can help with that.

" If you had to be all that to have fun, the club would be empty. The bar is much, much lower. But it's not dumb luck either. I regularly see guys fuck it up."

Lol. That's part of the fun. It's even better if I'm close enough to hear the thud when the dude hits that wall. If I'm in the club at all nowadays it's to spot new OTC options and people watch. But how low is that bar? Is all it takes really just clearing the dickline, so to speak?

A different angle on this: anyone can randomly get lucky. But there's a reason experienced customers have great experiences over and over, and fewer negative experiences, than a rando... even though any rando can get lucky and have just a good a time as you. Relying less on luck, and wiring things up so that you almost always have a great time, is a necessity to have the experiences I have. This isn't brain surgery, but things you want to be able to do:

1. Understanding the type of experience you're after, and quickly rejecting dancers who don't offer it, rather than just continuing and hoping just because she's hot or gave you a good lapdance. Being able to vet the stripper and get rid of her fast is something many customers struggle with.


2. Wiring the club up for the best experience. As I said in my article about being a regular, in my absolutely-no-extras light-contact-only bouncer-and-camera-monitored home clubs, typically the bouncer walks through the VIP rooms every single song. Except when it's just a regular back there -- I've gone years without seeing the bouncer walk through my VIP even once, and all the girls know it. I get medium contact, high contact, and even extras now and then back there. A regular can have experiences 99% of the guys in the club can't have. The random guy with money does not even have the potential to have these experiences.

In short, it takes some practice to recognize a dancer is offering what you want, it takes some confidence to quickly dismiss dancers who are not, and wiring up the club as a regular can lead to experiences a random customer can't have.

"But there's a reason experienced customers have great experiences over and over, and fewer negative experiences, than a rando... even though any rando can get lucky and have just a good a time as you."

Boom. Subra just came in to drop the mic.

"... and wiring up the club as a regular can lead to experiences a random customer can't have."

But wait...what if you're a one and done rando and you get the dancer hottie you want to serve you in a club that's supposedly low or no extras?! Is that "anyone can randomly get lucky"? And if the rando gets lucky over and over at a bunch of different clubs, is that just a numbers game or is it...skill?

^ It’s not an exact science there’s always someone who wins two lottery jackpots,
But I don’t think it’s that difficult honestly I see a lot of people in the club’s, certain days and times are busier than others, if randos weren’t having a good time and getting lucky regularly the clubs would be a lot less busy.
That’s why I think y’all are making this out to be more complicated than it really is.

I would put the order of operation like this:
1A. club where there is less enforcement threat. If you are mongering somewhere where local LEO is trying to clip the wings of a club your odds go way way down. If you are clubbing in certain select locations your odds go way way up.
1B. IMHO, day shift generally has better odds although generally reduced talent. Night shift where armatures are out partying seems to correlate with less financial incentive to offer mileage.
2A. Being a regular known customer helps a lot, especially in marginal situations, but not necessarily in locations where it is more of a free for all.
2B. Be generous, especially in marginal situations. I'm not convinced that making it rain doesn't make you an easy mark for R.O.B. But being a rock sure hurts you.
3. Don't be a dick to the dancers (or staff for that matter). Even when you've found #1, they can still decide to not be nice to you if you are not nice to them.

The guys who made the distinction between a one and done shot and repeat visits have a solid point. There's probably not a one size fits all answer here. And the club, girls, and staff make a huge difference in how a visit is going to go even when clubbing as a regular.

Not sure if we're gonna settle this one. "Is strip club mileage about luck or skill?" may end up with all time mysteries like the chicken and the egg...

If it’s based on Stripper Logic, then the answer is likely as reliable as any random roll of the dice…

"Could any dude swap places with the man of the hour and get the same thing if he was packing the same cash?"

^ No. The guys who think the stripper is in the wrong in this thread (https://app.tuscl.net/discussion/82109) could not.

@wallanon

I will play along and comment on your discussion and answer your questions.

Q: Getting the Dancer Goods: Luck or Skill?
A: “Luck does not exist: there is a moment when talent meets opportunity”

~ Seneca aka Lucius Annaeus Seneca the Younger
~ Roman Stoic philosopher, statesman, dramatist, satirist.
~ Born c. 4 BC Córdoba, Hispania Baetica (present-day Spain)
~ Died AD 65 (aged 68–69) Rome

Q: Which has more impact?
A: Skill, since luck doesn’t exist.

Q: Do you think individual skill and charm has more to do with finding a memorable time with the dancer of choice, or is it being at the right place at the right time?
A: Is a combination of both

Q: Could any dude swap places with the man of the hour and get the same thing if he was packing the same cash?
A: NO, everyone is different and girls/dancers do have favorite customers/regulars.

I actually don't think that there is a formula or a one strategy fits all path. Hygene, money, charm, (and sometimes free drugs) all work, but you need to use the right combination for the situation. Strippers are human beings and not all react the same. Being able to read the situation and adapt is key.

Skill matters for sure but only to an extent.
I’m younger, look good and can game strippers decently, it’s led to me making out or getting their numbers without asking but that’s mostly it so far.

Doesn’t mean anything compared against the old fat, regular whales though.
Having skill can help with freebies but in terms of scoring overall, it’s really just money over everything

"...and sometimes free drugs..."

There was this complete smokeshow I ran into one night at a club on the road. Another TUSCLer was there and can vouch for how hot this chick was. Did an upstairs VIP and it was pretty hot, but they'd turned up the lights on me (because the manager on duty was being a dick) so I wasn't getting to home base ITC.

She wanted some number so stupidly high for OTC (in the thousands) I just laughed at her, but would've just come by to drink and fuck at my hotel if I had some coke. Don't worry about the math because it doesn't add up lol. Close to home I know how to find drugs if I wanted because strip clubs, but getting near closing time in a town I don't frequent that request was leading nowhere good so I took the L.

@wallanon

You wrote, and I quote:

“this complete smokeshow… would've just come by to drink and fuck at my hotel if I had some coke.”

That’s why you should always have a good discreet loaded snuff bullet dispenser in your keychain when you visit the stripclub…

“One secret of success in life is for a man be ready for his opportunity when it comes.”

"That’s why you should always have a good discreet loaded snuff bullet dispenser in your keychain when you visit the stripclub"

Thanks CJ. Even wallanon has his limits lol...