Biden SOTU 2023
wld4tatas
New Jersey
As expected, he covered the numerous recent legislative achievements, most bipartisan: CHIPS and Science Act, Inflation Reduction Act, Gun Safety, Infrastructure, etc. These are big deals. Caps on the price of insulin and lower negotiated prices for other expensive drugs. Huge investments in semiconductors that will create jobs and make us less dependent on China. Companies announcing $300 billion in manufacturing investments. Deficit reduction too. Inflation and gas prices are still a work in progress but improving. Unemployment at a 50-year low of 5.4%.
Basically he's got so many bases covered, the Republicans have been reduced to pathetic distortions, lies and conspiracy theories as the predominant element of their political strategy. This was showcased fantastically in the bizarre Republican reply by Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Short on substance, she spent an inordinate amount of time telling stories about American pride. Multiple mentions of Biden and Dems trying to control and manipulate the American people, government taxing and burning your money, teaching children to hate each other, etc. Summed up as a choice between normal (Repubs) and crazy (Dems). Holee shit I thought I was watching an episode of the Twilight Zone ! I guess this kool-aid is all they have left to sell.
Some other observations and highlights:
McCarthy was cool as a cucumber. He appropriately applauded, stood up and shushed GOP hecklers. Good job.
Lauren Boebert's pissed reaction when Biden called to ban assault weapons. She looked hot though.
Turning lemons into lemonade in confirming that Republicans won't be touching SS or Medicare. "We all apparently agree". Nice.
Immigration was a weaker point, Biden could have done better.
It was cool to see Paul Pelosi there.
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Opponents of big government label what we have now as socialism. The current system, though, is a merging of big business and big government and can be better described as a semi-fascist system. There has been increasing income inequality in recent years as the current system hasn't been designed to benefit the average person. This system has been in place since the fifties when it was said that what is good for the country is good for General Motors and vice versa. Now it's what is good for Pfizer or Moderna is good for the country, what is good for Lockheed or Raytheon is good for the country and so on. Both mainstream Democrats and Republicans are part of this corrupt system and there must be a realization of this among the general public for things to change.
What I see, as expected, is a reluctance of Repubs to fact check the talking points they keep getting fed over and over from their politicians and right wing media. Likely, some of them know they would learn that some of it is accurate but a lot of it is false or distorted. So, instead of spending the time to research and engage in thoughtful discussion, they resort to name calling and avoidance of discussion. I guess that helps reduce their false narratives getting exposed, case in point below.
If you wanted to make a case that Dem spending overall is not paid for, that would be a good discussion.
But the IRA itself is actually paid for. The CBO score found it will reduce deficits by $238 billion over a decade. There were some Republicans saying it increased the deficit, but that was in the first few years and ignored the savings that kick in later. In other words, these Republicans peddled a deceptive narrative about the IRA to Americans.
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/cbo-scores-ir…
To reduce inflation, government spending cuts are needed so money printing is not needed. To keep the economy healthy, taxes need to be reduced rather than increased in order to encourage hard work and business investment. The Inflation Reduction Act avoids making the hard choices needed when it comes to spending cuts and kicks the can down the road. Politicians always think only about winning the next election and do what is best in the short term even if it makes things a lot worse in the long term.
Maybe I’m a little bit too fucked up in my fantasies?
I expected it wouldn’t be a shared fantasy.
Regardless of why they come, they come as criminals when they cross that border illegally. They should be dealt with as criminals, without exception
you low expectation motherfucker!!!! this is good? acceptable? this actually MIGHT be acceptable from someone who would come in second in a high school class president debate. you were referring to the present president of the United States. sinking to lower levels every passing day.
The only hot white strippers I've seen are Russians Bulgarians Hungarians and Cubans.
White Americans tend to look beat real quick
You have some special ordainment to say who can and can't start threads on the board? Is there a reason someone can't lurk for 10 years before becoming a more activw participant? Tyre whateverthefuckhisnamewas wasn't fleeing from the cops and resisting arrest?
Nah, you're wrong on this one, guy.
Oh, and FUCK Tyre.
wld4testes is..
1. Practising his comedy stand up routine that he hopes to debut at the 2024 Republician National Convention.
2. The reincarnation of rumdummoron aka randumb.
3. The alternate troll account of a creep from the west coast bay area.
4. A poor little lamb who has lost his way.
5. Trying to out liberal iceydougster.
6. Trying to out moron cjkunt.
7. Just another clueless 2bit leftist troll.
How should we respond to his op?
1. Humor him so he doesn't cut himself.
2.Send him back to rumdum's home, the black hole of calcutta.
3.Take away his library card.
4. Give him on an all expense paid trip to the goat pen of his choice. Baaaa baaaa baaaaa
5. Chip in for his and dougee's OTC dueling dick over nighter.
6. Ask if cj will share dick pics with him.
7. Sentence him to living the rest of his life in Rush Limbaugh's tomb.
Bonus choice, dress him up as a maid and shuttle him back and forth to clean the toilets in Mar A Lago and Trump tower.
72 percent of viewers had positive reaction to Biden speech
https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat…
Looks like most people had a favorable impression. You know why? Because people are looking at substance not just style. The same reason Fetterman beat Oz in Pennsylvania.
Like I said, he didn't knock it out of the park. It was good. Not great. Dems and I'm sure many Republicans cut Biden some slack on the delivery because of his age. Is there a limit to that slack - absolutely. Dems are definitely thinking about 2024 and how Biden will be then and over another term. I'm on the fence and will be watching to see who comes forward to run for the Dem nomination. But on substance and policy and legislative achievements so far I give Biden high marks.
Internationally a B+
They did this before with Obama. These victims always declare every Democratic president is the worst ever, and the cause of all problems. Frankly they have no idea how ridiculous they look.
Oh he saw it plus no doubt he was part of it, he just chooses to ignore it now because it doesn't fit his agenda.
While it's happened on the left too, nothing can match the alternate universe of distortion, spin and crazy since the GOP took its hard right turn.
“Imagine you’re a space alien
You travel a bajillion light years to get here
You say, “Take me to your leader”
... and it’s Biden”
What we really need is an age limit. New blood is the key to a healthy political system.
Says the side who couldn't tell you what gender has a penis. Or believed Christine Blasey Ford.
“President Donald Trump said Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s testimony about her alleged sexual assault by Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh was “very compelling,” calling her a “very credible witness.”” https://fortune.com/2018/09/28/trump-for…
No evidence they ever met
Every witness disputed her claims
She can't recall any details of that night but somehow remembered only that which was damaging
Not an ounce of external corroboration
Lied about its impact on her life
Her lawyer admitted they wanted an asterisk after Kavanaugh's name
There are some incidents that could reasonably be interpreted either way. This is not one of them.
I would say yes and no 25. If it was a choice between a younger candidate, perhaps charismatic but radical with potentially dangerous ideas, and an older candidate with experience and sounder judgement, I'd most likely be voting for the latter.
Zinggggg.....
Lol !!!
Prescription drug pricing reform: 281 B
Corporate minimum tax: 222 B
IRS tax enforcement funding: 100 B
Stock buyback excise tax: 74 B
Other: 60 B
Total Revenue/Savings = 737B
The vast majority of this impacts large corporations, especially Big Pharma. Their lobby group PhRMA lobbied against the IRA. It's hard to see how taking a piece of profits from large corporations will act as a disincentive for people to work hard, as you claimed. It also contradicts your claim that government is in a corrupt collusion with Big Business.
It's evident you have not carefully reviewed the IRA legislation. Here is a good breakdown from McKinsey in case you are interested.
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/publ…
It’s no wonder he’s popular since he gets 200% of the vote of people on welfare, which is a big chunk of the Californians who haven’t moved to Texas.
Because we all know the other 49 states want to become California. That might be why people are fleeing California so fast you can hear the whoosh.
Ban gas cars + can't charge electrics during the day
Confiscatory tax policies
Crime and homeless problems
Lack of affordable housing
Yep, America wants us some of that!
Lulz.
Don't forget that they want the power grid to be 100% unreliable wind and solar.
His policies resonate with the non working class. The working class, frustrated by high taxes, housing, traffic, and fuel costs, has moved to Arizona, Texas, and Florida.
If people in other states had the security and benefits of California they would vote for him.
Newsom won a recall and reelection. People like him.
I split my time between states and it makes me grateful and thankful to be Californian because no other place compares.
There's a huge difference between winning a state where Dens outnumber Reps 2:1, and winning actual swing states.
People are voting themselves out of California in the most true and telling way, with their feet.
No wonder he’s popular……among some people.
Most people who left Cali do so because of the real estate industries power. Ir private sector choking the housing industry. Not because Newsom helps California's.
Newsom already appeals to Democrats throughout the nation.
Supporting the working class the poor minorities instead of just pandering to the rich is a positive for America.
Any Democrat with a pulse can win California.
Just imagine how well reparations, among other California policies, will go over in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
America doesn't want to be California.
The reparations task force in California is about paying people whose families were forcibly removed from their properties due to racist policies.
The real estate and oil industries are extremely powerful and corrupt. Newsom and Bass challenge them but undoing the decades of control takes time.
1. Believe reparations would end race as a controversial issue, since so many racial agitators are invested in strife
2. Believe one time cash payments would make a lasting difference in people's lives, just look at lottery winners
3. Be guilted into forking over additional money for that which affirmative action and a whole racial preference system for the last 60 years was meant to provide "reparations."
4. Believe that the federal government--which is struggling to pay its current commitments--can afford California's racial guilt trip writ large.
Reparations, on the whole, poll at 30% Yes to 68% No. It polls -1 among _Democrats_.
Here's two black men saying it better than I could.
https://glennloury.substack.com/p/when-t…
Heck, BLM admitted they were about guilting rich white progressives into paying racial penance. Suckas.
Good luck taking that platform nationwide. DeSantis, Trump, Youngkin, Haley, or whomever the nominee is, is going to play that in every state, and it'll filter all the way down the ticket.
It'll be glorious. For us, that is.
Jump off the cliff if you want; just don't ask me to hold your hand.
"rent control rent freezes "
No one who's stepped into an economics classroom favors this.
"inflation relief checks"
Better yet, just vote against inflationary policies.
"social justice"
Euphemism for what wokes didn't know they cared about until five minutes ago, and another way millionaires can feel morally superior to the working class.
Your premise is basically fuck the people and vote for policies that favor the rich
You're also ignorant of basic economics, but you seem to hold that as a point of pride.
Paying people whose families lost their homes because of racist policies and displacements. Often via the use of eminent domain to favor the wealthy.
"rent control rent freezes "
To help people afford their homes.
"inflation relief checks"
To help people eat and pay for the basics as prices keep surging and the federal government doesn't care
"social justice"
Give historically oppressed people equal access to society. Their rights matter more than allowing bigots to oppress them.
Yes these are all very American ideals
If they want to make housing affordable, they need to steamroll rich white NIMBY progressives and build multi-unit affordable housing in their backyards.
Learn some economics.
Been going on since the beginning of time and not related to race.
"To help people afford their homes."
Reduces the available housing stock and increases prices on any unit that isn't rent controlled. Look what it did to New York, among others.
"To help people eat and pay for the basics as prices keep surging and the federal government doesn't care"
Son, you don't even know what generates inflation, do you?
"Give historically oppressed people equal access to society. Their rights matter more than allowing bigots to oppress them."
They have access. What they don't have is preferential treatment.
Learn some economics.
You mean greedy landlords won't invest in properties if their profit margins are decreased.
Freedom from discrimination isn't preferential treatment. Being allowed to discriminate is preferential treatment.
You're out of touch with reality. You're not talking economics. You're repeating the interests of the rich and of bigots. And pretending it's what Americans want
If we're trying to make the races equal in all things, I want to hear about under-representation of non-blacks, especially Asians and East Indians, in the NBA and NFL.
Or you're just glomming onto the cause du jour.
I mean look at what rent control did to New York. Or San Francisco. Or California. Or New Jersey. Or Cambridge. Wherever it's been tried, it's led to less housing, lower tax receipts, worse quality of housing especially for the lowest income. Democrats and Republicans both know this.
Pretty rich to hear you talk about anyone's "greed," that or you're the first nonprofit pimp.
Lulz.
Discrimination is already illegal. Glad we agree that we've checked that "social justice" box.
It gives me comfort to know your preferred policies are as popular as genital warts.
Learn some economics.
California doesn't have a state rent control law. The real estate lobby prevented it for decades. Individual communities have it and they do well. The current protections are about inflation and fighting greed.
Trans people guys minorities immigrants etc deserve to be free from bigots. Bigots don't have the right to be privileged and allowed to oppress.
CA had a 97 billion surplus for this year's budget.
California does have rent control. Some large municipalities like SF, LA, San Jose, and Oakland, have had it since the 1970s.
https://la.curbed.com/2019/9/24/20868937…
https://noplacelikehome.ucsc.edu/history…
Glad to know rent control is doing so well that people aren't moving out the state hand over fist. Oh wait. We just established that they were.
Lulz.
Discrimination is already illegal. What they don't have is the right for everyone to embrace and celebrate lifestyles they don't approve of.
California's tax base relies on its very top, specifically income and capital gains from tech. Now with tech stocks absurdly down and workers laid off left and right, they're going to suffer.
Learn some economics.
You're repeating the far right mantra that fighting bigotry discriminates against bigots. And your whole economic premise is basically supporting corporate greed because it fits within your right wing paradigms.
Learn to read. The state doesn't have a rent control law. Communities do. People aren't leaving because of affordable housing. The problem is a lack of more rent control laws.
Discrimination is being normalized via attacks on trams rights womens rights migrant rights etc. Throughout the nation.
100k leaving a state of 40 million is is hardly an exodus. But I understand it's a highly parroted right wing talking point.
California has a budget surplus of 97 billion for this year.
It's funny how you're into crazy what if scenarios for California but are quiet about living standards in the reddest states like Arkansas or Alabama.
You're basically a poster child for what Malcolm x called the white man's nigga....always being like yes masta yes masta and getting pats on the head from bigots on here to make you feel better. That's the problem with your political ignorance
If so, then Japanese-Americans should be first in line for reparations. But, somehow, they have thrived. Maybe culture is a bigger predictor of success than you’d care to admit.
Who you calling “some people”??!!
- Oprah Winfrey $2.7 Billion net worth
- Kanye West $1.8 Billion
- Jay Z $1.4 Billion
- Tyler Perry $1 Billion
How did racism hinder their success ?
Those who suck on the teat of government handouts.
California's gov serves the people more than other states although it should do more.
You bitch and whine and repeat the most extremist although right conspiracies here. Newsom won by a large margin. It's what people want. You're a fringe alt right weirdo
Because we were talking about the governor of California's fitness for the presidency, dumbass.
"You're basically a poster child for what Malcolm x called the white man's nigga..."
Oh Icee, are you speaking Loser to me again? Can someone who speaks the inferiority complex dialect of Loser translate for me?
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
Thomas Jefferson:
“What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
The first paragraph of the first article says _statewide._
The impact of rent control laws have been studied. Implement it everywhere and you'll have no housing stock and slums everywhere. The left doesn't care, as long as it makes them feel good.
Learn some economics.
"Discrimination is being normalized via attacks on trams rights womens rights migrant rights etc. Throughout the nation."
Speaking of talking points. Not being able to transition children isn't an infringement of rights, it's basic medical ethics. Not being able to groom children isn't infringement, it's child safety.
"100k leaving a state of 40 million is is hardly an exodus. But I understand it's a highly parroted right wing talking point."
Half a million in their last two years. And this is just after they lost a congressional seat for the first time ever. Yep, we all want to be like that. Lulz.
The act granted money to actual survivors of the camps, not their descendants. That’s a huge difference from what is being proposed for modern day African Americans descendants 150 years later. Not even the same concept.
- Thomas Sowell, eminent black economist
Mark California's reparations laws aren't about slavery. They're about people displaced due to segregation and institutional racism. California wasn't a slave state. You started with the Japanese saying they should get reparations. Now you're saying them having had reparations is different. You're an ignorant fuck just arguing alt right bs
If that’s the case, then Chinese and Mexican descendants also deserve reparations. Where does this stop ? Do we need to hand out money to every citizen whose ancestors were unfairly treated by modern standards ?
Bipartisan studies.
Learn some economics.
Tetradon you described yourself