The Chicom Balloon?
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FUCK IT!
I'm posting this in politics but this goes way beyond politics.
So what do you guys think is going on regarding that balloon?
Actually there's a second one that appeared over South America but that one doesn't concern me ATM.
I'm concerned about the one floating over sensitive areas of the country possibly, no probably gathering information on the missile silos, air bases and other military installations it's passed over or near to.
Is it possible that it's some kind of test run to measure our response? Is it possible that it's a test run for a future EMP attack or dumping a new virus or biological weapon in the future?
And why are we just letting it go? Sure this is uncharted territory but how can brandon and his puppet masters just let it go? So far the only response seems to be that blinken canceled a scheduled china trip because it's concerning. Lol
Well if it's concerning why haven't we done anything about it? What does it take to react when a hostile country with obvious designs on defeating us in the future sends a probe into sovereign air space across the heart of the country? The bogus explanation regarding shooting it down is it might cause damage. How much damage is being done by just letting it go?
Do you think china would just let it go if we did the same to them?
We had to see this thing coming, why wasn't something done before it actually reached the west coast? And now that it's up there at times it's passed over large swaths of sparsely populated areas where any damage on the ground would be limited or nonexistent. What does it take for the powers that be to not look like the punks they are and put an end to this intrusion of America?
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TUSCL is banned in China and some horny Leonard & Sheldon types are searching for the best strip club boobies
What would you have them do, launch the nukes ?
So, it's highly likely that the balloon was intended to be seen and reacted to. It's bait. It almost certainly not intended to capture any novel intelligence, because the Chinese have many other (and better) means to capture that intelligence. This includes the satellites that they have in orbit over the U.S. (as we have satellites in orbit over China).
What that balloon was intended to do is capture our attention. It's a psychological ploy. And, from that perspective, it's been very successful. I mean, it even generated a thread on a strip club website. We don't think or worry about the many surveillance satellites above us (and not just Chinese) because we can't see them. But, make it big, shiny, and white and low enough to be seen from the ground, and it becomes the pearl-clutch heard around the world.
Shooting it down would be rising to the bait and possibly hazardous to people and property on the ground.
To let it float over our entire country until it gets over the Atlantic seems weak.
That said, how much more effective for spying is a ballon at 50000 feet than a satellite?
Bottom line - China lies about everything. They project power but they’re rotting from within.And their country is doomed due to low birth rate and the rely almost 100% on foreign sources to feed their people. They don’t have the ability to adapt, create or innovate, only steal technological advances and reverse-monkey it. China will collapse and have mass famine in less than 15 years.
It was over Montana. No one lives there.
There’s more risk from 17 year old girls texting while driving
In my view, we should have taken it down before it reached our shores, and then the Secretary of State could have made his trip and handed it to the Chinese president. “Here’s your lost weather balloon…”
I like how the Chinese claim they can't really control it, but it manages to change course and hit every sensitive site along the way.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dry-ru…
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1…
surely our govt has the capabilities to build and send one of these types of balloons from alaska to china the same exact way as china has? our govt should do the same in return to see how ping and his cohorts would respond.
Right, Ishmael, the CCP would send a balloon over nuclear missile siloes just to troll us.
We look like a fucking joke.
https://www.texaspolicy.com/letting-chin…
Our leaders/government are selling us out by allowing things like this to happen.
It started when nixon opened relations with them, was compounded when clinton allowed full whitehouse access to chinese agents posing as businessmen and allowed them to acquire secret rocket technology in exchange for campaign contributions and continues to this day.
China is in it for the long haul, playing chess while we play checkers.
I don't know if we do it with balloons, drones, planes or a combination of all three but I am sure we do it just like China and Russia do. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we have multiple surveillance missions over China right now.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't shoot them down when we catch them in the act, we absolutely should. I just don't get why the public is so shocked to learn it happens.
Because if there were intel gathering satellites, a balloon isn’t necessary. Lol. People are funny
Every single military analyst said the way to do this was to shoot the balloon with 20mm cannon fire, punching it full of holes, causing it to deflate slowly and float down to earth with the tech package intact. But they completely blew it to shit. Now there's no possibility of getting information from it.
Good job Joe!
What do we need to do is get hardcore on reducing the impact of Chinese goods and technology in American lives. Increase tariffs. Ban TikTok. Park an aircraft carrier group in TaiPei harbor and grant full diplomatic recognition to Taiwan. Assert eminent domain to purchase any and all Chinese-owned land in the United States. Biden won't, because he and the Clintons got and are getting rich off Chinese bribes.
Two reasons I can think of. Like I said above, something on there damaging to Joe and the Biden family and he knew it. Or if that sounds like too much conspiracy theory, then how about they want people to think this was the only way to do it, thus demonstrating why they "couldn't risk" brining it down over Montana. I promise every news agency (except Fox News) will run with that narrative. I can hear them now, "Oh my goodness. Joe was so right to wait until it was over the ocean. Can you imagine all that debris falling on people?" They will completely ignore the fact that a sidewinder missile was total overkill to take down a fucking balloon.
There is no logical reason they had to blow it up like that. I saw two retired Generals say this was a routine shoot-down, and you hit the balloon so it drifts down mostly intact.
I don’t really see this as anything other than infighting between the Communist party’s leadership.
This article came out before the shoot down. It mentions their possible reasons for doing what they did.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi…
china's reasons that is.
That would have been smart, letting it spend days floating across the country was stupid like most of your kool aide drinking comments.
Now give me a dislike as you're prone to do so it makes you feel empowered. LMAO
They think we’re stupid.
Talk about gaslighting.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37…
1) They could have shot it over water before it reached Alaska.
2) There was NO reason to blast it with a sidewinder missile and create a 7-mile debris field. Prior to the shoot-down, every single military commentator said you put some holes in the balloon, and it slowly drifts down to earth with very little risk in an open area like the mid-west.
The way they took this down was a complete and total failure. Unless there was some other reason they wanted it blasted into a million pieces.
Reason is something that never works with that bunch.
China just violated our sovereignty with impunity. Our executive response? Weak and feckless, practically non-existent. This dereliction of duty is grounds for impeachment.
Whatever was on that balloon had something to do with Biden or they wouldn't have smashed it to bits like it was one of Hillary's fucking hard drives.
Those chinamen are laughing their little chinaman asses off over there and I'm sure this is not the last provocation where Joe will respond with inexplicable stupidity.
This was Xi poking his thumb in Joe's eye, letting him know not to fuck with China or they will ruin his Presidency even faster than he's doing that by himself.
"The surveillance balloon's overflight of U.S. territory was of intelligence value to us," the official said during a briefing on Saturday. "We were able to study and scrutinize the balloon and its equipment, which has been valuable."
Look, you dumb fuck. You can quote unnamed Biden lapdogs all day long. And I can look up quotes from retired 3-star Generals and other military experts that dispute whatever you say. The bottom line is they destroyed the spy device beyond repair, when they could have easily brought it down intact over land or sea, whichever.
So now all we're left with is a he said / she said / you said / they said situation because any real evidence is gone. And I'm saying there's no way they would have done that unless they're covering up what was on that fucking balloon.
It's not a wild conspiracy theory, just common sense to anyone with some degree of intelligence. Even if your unnamed source was truthful in saying they learned "something" from this thing while it was flying, any idiot can surmise that "something more" could have been learned by capturing the device intact and sending it to a laboratory.
Wait, you're saying China maybe had some dirt on Biden, and it was on that balloon, so Biden wanted it destroyed? If China wanted to release some dirt on Biden, why wouldn't they just put it on the internet ?
How fucking stupid can you be? If you had dirt on your next door neighbor and you wanted to blackmail him, would you put it out on the internet and then expect him to pay you?
Xi is fucking with Biden, making him nervous, and putting him in a position where there isn't any good option. Once they failed to stop that thing over the Aleutian Islands, Xi was calling the shots. Then Biden made the best bad decision he could under the circumstances. Not best for America, I mean for himself, politically.
At least he came away from it with no hard evidence of anything, and with the help of the corrupt media brainless morons like you will celebrate him. To normal people he looks like a fucking FOOL but he's well accustomed to that. Nobody expects anything more from him.
Even the Democratic media lap dogs are tired of burning credibility spinning for him
Call it whatever you want you fuckin jackass. I'm saying Biden is so dirty, the Clintons are jealous of how dirty he is. He's so dirty, when he vacations every single weekend in Delaware, I can smell his stink up in central NJ, and that's on top of the already existing stink from oil refineries and landfills.
I'll repeat for the umpteenth time it is way beyond suspicious, beyond comprehension really, that they blew that device to kingdom come. You pop the balloon, and you pick up the device, it's that fucking simple. If for no other reason than you don't want to litter the ocean with a million pieces of busted up electronic junk. It's just common sense, of which you obviously have none.
They blasted that thing into oblivion for no apparent reason. You don't do that unless you're trying to hide something. The whole thing stinks like shit. So "LMFAO" all day and night you dumb fucking cunt. You're an idiot if you believe a single thing that Joe or any one of his quacking duck spokespeople ever says.
Amen
No doubt
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article…
Yeah that's probably what caused the 7-mile-long debris field and why after more than 24 hours there's been no report of wreckage recovery or even sighting of it in 45 feet of water.
If true, it really makes one question our military capabilities - the damn thing was the size of 3 busses. As it turns our, it didn’t seem so hard. Maybe the experts were just mouthing the company line.
I’d love to hear an interview with the actual pilots to hear truthfully how difficult it was.
Other accounts place the missile at 60,000' at the time it was shot down and the F-22 has a service ceiling of 65,000. That is crucial. It means the cannon could have been used to "pop" the balloon and keep the payload intact. Even a deflated balloon would have acted as an airfoil and slowed the descent of the payload and make recovery easier.
There is every reason to believe it could have been stopped/destroyed at the Alaskan ADIZ. I would be more afraid if NORAD did not know about it, than if they knew about it and conspired to hide it from the public. The lack of action, whether from ignorance or deception, if abhorrent. Rogue nations already have nuked- Pakistan and the DPRK. Iran has all but completed their nuclear program. Just imagine if some ship, sitting out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, were to attach a nuclear device to a super-high altitude balloon and detonate it over the central US. An EMP could be more destructive than several nukes. Over the heartland disabling midwest food production. Disabling all rail, airplane, and vehicular transportation. A big hole in the middle of our communication and internet network. Million of tons of various base and finished product gone. The damage to our nation would be catastrophic.
"The Pentagon said it waited to destroy the Chinese balloon over concerns the debris could harm civilians and destroy property. Weichert said there may be more at play, as Secretary of State Anthony Blinken was set to visit China on an official trip this week before it was suspended after media backlash over the balloon, leading to a public debacle that "made us look weak."
"This was a political decision — they didn't want to upset China before the event," Weichert told Fox News Digital. "Biden is willing to sell out our national security to get a piece of paper with China on global warming.""
full article here: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/spy-bal…
yeah, I said all along the danger to humans on the ground was overstated BS.
Canada said it supported shooting down the balloon so I’m guessing they would not have objected if it was shot down over Canada. Multiple opportunities to knock ii out of the air over Alaska, Canada, Montana or the Dakota’s with very minimal risk
That sure fits right in with last week's announcement of the US-Philippine military base agreement.
“China accused the United States of indiscriminate use of force Monday after two US Air Force fighter jets shot down a suspected Chinese spy balloon off the Carolina coast — saying the response dealt a “serious blow” to relations between the two countries.
Vice Foreign Minister Xie Feng placed a formal complaint with the American Embassy over the “US attack on a Chinese civilian unmanned airship by military force.”
Fuck em
So I guess they believe the Chinese scientists who say it was a weather balloon.
Anyone who doesn’t believe them is racist.
The managing director of the Penn Biden Center from 2017-2019 was Antony Blinken, current Sec of State.
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Not that anyone believes you though, you've got the lowest cred on TUSCL by far.
https://twitter.com/repmtg/status/162162…
According to this writer the balloon is an embarrassment to china, not us.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why…
There's a thread for the ages.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-balloon-p…
What's different this time?
Object shot down after entering Alaska air space.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u-s-sh…
I guess brandon is still smarting after the whipping he received over last week's shoot down so maybe his handlers decided it's not so smart to wait 3 days this time Lol
Yes, sound reasons, I'm sure. Completely illogical, but definitely sound. Let's never question authority.
According to ABC news:
ABC News Chief Global Affairs Correspondent Martha Raddatz first reported that when fighters were scrambled, the pilots did visuals, got images and said there was no sign the object had propulsion.
It was described as "cylindrical and silver-ish gray" and seemed to be floating, a U.S. official said.
Asked if was "balloon-like," the official said, "All I say is that it wasn't 'flying' with any sort of propulsion, so if that is 'balloon-like' well -- we just don't have enough at this point."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-shoot…
The Northern Illinois Bottlecap Balloon Brigade told Aviation Week on Thursday that it fears one of its diligently-tracked gasbags that recently went missing was mistaken as the mystery object taken out by the military over Canada on Saturday.
I guess it's party over for the Bottlecap Balloon Brigade. Maybe they can pay the $400,000 bill?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/politics/…
https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/us-…
Even nobama said something akin to "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."
The balloon had a right to be there. I think the US owes the Bottlecap Brigade $12.
I said that right wingers would be screaming if the balloon was still up in the air. Which we all know is 100% true. They are out to politicize it, as usual.