Age is a cop out...

Are you responding to something in particular?

And I think what you're reading is older guys saying it's more convenient to set up business arrangements for what they want for reasons they have explained over and over and over again. If you live into your 40's and TUSCL is still around, maybe come back and commune with your younger self.

I'm saying that saying it's normal to paybfor sex coz you're older is a cop out. Stop pretending like the guys here actually want to be tricks. They don't. Snd its obvious. I'm saying anyone cam work on themselves and be attractive to younger women irregardless of age.

There's no need to be defensive every time someone says anything about consensual sex or mutual attraction

"Stop pretending like the guys here actually want to be tricks. They don't. Snd its obvious."

P4P is a different thrill than civvie. The thrill of walking into a room, selecting a woman, and what happens is only limited by your willingness and your wallet. There's a purity about the transaction.

Well said Tetra

Fuck you Icee

Yeah Iceydodo it's just like you needing oxygen and a pacemaker before you hit 30. Why wait until you're 80 when you can be geriatric at 30!

Then there's this one member here that can only get with a coke junkie stripper whore by offering drugs and money. And she's less than 30.

So yeah, being an RIL trick bitch has nothing to do with age.

'Yeah Iceydodo it's just like you needing oxygen and a pacemaker before you hit 30. Why wait until you're 80 when you can be geriatric at 30!'



touché lulz

"There's no need to be defensive every time someone says anything about consensual sex or mutual attraction"

If you were directing that at me, it's not about being defensive. And I rarely respond to your threads because I don't find them interesting. But you've turned into some kind of thread factory the past couple of days, and it's not clear if you're trying to be provocative or what's going on.

All that I was saying is launching a thread by trying to tell people what their motivations are probably isn't going to get you the result you're looking for. Especially since you don't actually know that much about the people here.

^ That's hilarious you think Iceefag/Dougie Dumbass is going to live to 80 my guess is he doesn't make 32

32 is the new 80

@wallanon
he is getting the results he's looking for, his goal is to be the most despised ever.

Icee: “irregardless”, alway the sign of a deep thinker.

Quack Quack

@drew Iceydodo could care less about your irregardless 🤭🤡😂😂😂

Tetradon. It can be a different thrill. But for many its an act of desperation and a substitute for civvie interactions despite what they claim. And many on here use age as a cop out for doing it. That's no different psychologically from the guys pretending p4p isn't p4p.

And I don't see the fun in scouring tuscl reviews for news of hookers or endless discussions about lowballing stripper hoes. Being angry and spiteful. Feeling dejected . That can't be fun

Basically it's never the tricks fault that he can't get laid.

I'm saying there are older guys in better shape and getting laid more than younger guys. Who are actually in tune with modern culture. I think it's a great thing.

@wallanon every now and then when Iceydodo goes on a posting spree with troll threads. It means she's been too butthurt by TUSCL recently. It's her way of lashing out at all her trolls that live in her head rent free. 🤷

I post threads coz it's a discussion forum. Your paranoia is your problem

LMFAO you just posted this troll thread coz you're butthurt. You admitted to it.

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=8154…

I don't have a problem with any of it. It's comedy gold. LOL you think it's paranoia. That's projection.

Anyway, it's good you are showing signs of being geriatric. After your pacemaker are you gonna get a walker or cane soon? How are you going to lug the oxygen around?

I don't pay them for the sex. I pay them to go home. Could I find younger women that want to have a relationship with me ? Sure I could . 10-15 younger than me. But probably not 30-35 years younger than me. But I like the fact that it's a P4P arrangement. Ultimately the arrangement will end, then I will go find a different girl.

That makes sense. But isn't it a lot of trouble to go to for just sex?

I'm talking about sugaring being a lot to go through. Feelings have to come up eventually

^ Well sure they do. I just ended an arrangement that lasted a year and a half. That was a lot like breaking up with a real girlfriend. Actually jealousy is what broke us up. She thought I was sleeping around. ( which I was ).

Looking on Seeking is not that much work for me. I've got down pat. The HUNT is actually kinda fun. I made a date for next week early tonight.

"But for many its an act of desperation and a substitute for civvie interactions despite what they claim."

@Icee, and so be it. Are you really trying to alter the life choices of 90% of the board? Sometimes you just need to live and let live, unless you're trying to taunt people and create conflict.

As I described on the other thread, I don't _want_ to date 20-somethings. I find them shallow, dumb, and materialistic, and whatever they have in youthful looks, 30-somethings have in how they carry themselves. To me, P4P is the perfect interaction to have with a 20-something. And a 47 year old guy dating teenagers is a creeper, no matter how good he is socially.

By guys pretending P4P isn't P4P, you're talking about the South Bay schizophrenic. I don't know anyone else who doesn't think P4P is P4P.

"I don't know anyone else who doesn't think P4P is P4P."

^^^I do! And her name is ...

...

wait for it

...

Iceydodo!

Icey: “I don't see the fun in scouring tuscl reviews for news of hookers or endless discussions about lowballing stripper hoes. Being angry and spiteful. Feeling dejected . That can't be fun”

Yet you persist.

Drew go pay attention to your wife instead of obsessing over me.

Tetradon. Opposing views and dialog are a fact of every day life. If they get butt hurt that's their problem not mine. Lots on here pretend p4p is something else. There's Rick. There's the guys who think sugaring isn't p4p. Etc. Young girls like older guys. This Cuban guy i know. Really young Cuban strippers love him because he's there for them doesn't judge them. Is funny. Throws great bbqs. And he's not selfish with them. He'll show you his nude selfie collection and will introduce you to girls at his bbq or will cook dinner and invite you and her. Nothing creepy about it.

You are clearly tired. Why not take the evening off, smoke some pills and play super Mario kart or whatever you do on a Friday night. Then, when you’re rested up you can come back tomorrow and have some fresh comebacks. Right now you’re just repeating yourself, and frankly you’re better than this Icee. I know you can do it. You got a 50% on my quiz, and that’s a glass half full. You may get that GED yet.

Nightly night you lil’ rascal!

Go pay attention to your wife instead kf me

kf!

@drew Now you're just being mean. Imagine being a junkie with a pacemaker and trying to post from a phone while high AF. Mistakes will be made.

I believe the proper spelling of kf is "covfefe". Know your memes, gentlemen.

These suck fucks would rather troll yjan act normal

They think other sick fucks here will egg them on so they can pretend to be normal....but....

A guy in his forties might be able to date women in their twenties but I'm sixty-six. A relationship with a female in her twenties that doesn't involve me spending money on her or giving money to her is highly unlikely. I could date someone fifteen or so years younger, and have, but at this point I don't see why I would want to. I'm not physically attracted to the fifty-year-old women I could date. I don't care about having someone doing my cooking or housecleaning. A lot of them have financial, health or adult child problems that would become my problems if I became involved with them. I have an introverted personality and don't feel a need for constant social companionship.

"But I'm seeing a lot of older men with younger. Sometimes much younger women. And they have normal relationships. "

Icee, I am going to treat this as a legitimate discussion and not the troll bait that it probably is. I'm in my early 60's, but have kept myself in pretty good shape by proper nutrition and consistent exercise. I travel frequently, stay in nice hotels, enjoy fine dining, own a couple of houses, and currently live right on the beach. I have no doubt I could find a hot 28 - 32 year old that would sign up for that lifestyle. It would be pretty cushy because I am fairly easy to get along with and I tend to be pretty generous with my time and money for the people I care about.

The truth is that doesn't interest me in the least. I don't want a committed relationship from anyone, but especially not a 28 year old. I love having sex with a 20 something, but anything more than 3 days and they will bore me to tears. They don't get my jokes or cultural references. They don't have the life experiences to maintain my interest. Conversations are lacking because we have totally different frames of references.

In short, I am totally happy being a "trick" as you like to call it, (though I think most of the women I see probably think of me as a "client").

"...though I think most of the women I see probably think of me as a 'client'"

I'm going to save BHarlem the trouble...

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Good answers and insights.

When I was in my late teens and had a few sugar mommas. I remember feeling like I was in school listening to them tall about the way things were or cultural insights. I wasn't really bored but those kind of differences made it more awkward than the physical differences or just age.

But I know older women who are up to date and love being slutted out. I fuckedva 48 year old. And one of the most exotic women I've known with an amazing body and personality was 56. But I greatly prefer younger girls coz I figure there's always time for those women.

But the older guys I know feel younger women keep them young. And the guys get botox and stuff. They like hanging out with me. I admire them.

Last year I was propositions by a 74 year old woman but declined tgeboffer.

Icee that doesn’t seem believable. Where/how did that happen? Do you work in a nursing home? Was the woman mentally sane? It sounds like it may be some random purp addict on the street speaking nonsense. You declining the offer is hilarious.
Where did you meet all these sugar mommas in your teens?
And yes usually with sugar daddies or mommas theyre trading money for sex. But there are those older people who still date or hook up without money. George clooney, daniel craig, robert downey etc look incredible for their age.

"I'm going to save BHarlem the trouble..."

Hookers have tricks and johns, dancers have regulars, sugarbabies have sugardaddies, escorts have clients... potato/potahto.

A older man can often date much poorer, much younger women. But they are playing the lottery, hoping to get their money on the back end. I'd rather stick to sex workers than play those games.

I don't think the majority of geriatric gym rats have NSA hooks ups even once a week. So it isn't that simple. I don't think there are many don juans, of any age, who can give a woman as much satisfaction as what she gets from having her palm crossed with a few bengies.

The point Icee makes about working to improve your looks is generally true. All other things being equal, it's almost universally true that a female would prefer a guy in good physical shape over one in bad physical shape. I lost thirty pounds one time and noticed a subtle shift in the way women interacted with me after I got down to normal weight. They were a little more flirty and friendly.

Success with women also requires being able to spot which ones are interested in you. Some women are just not that into you and nothing you can do will change that. You need to be able to quickly drop the ones who are not interested and move on. When I was young, I was very guilty of spending months trying to win over some uninterested girl I had a crush on while ignoring other girls who really liked me.

The point Icey is making is that men who buy sex are bad. He’s not interested in your personal maintenance routine or the fact that it is technically possible for a gym rat to get a younger woman. It’s his one track narrative about how the extras buying pl’s on this site are geriatric weirdos.

Iceydodo when you fuck a 78 yr old are you going to swap pacemakers and oxygen? Do weird shit like that? Also do geriatric chicks dig you even more now that you rock a pacemaker?

Docsavage exactly. Going for women who go for you is the easiest way to get laid. And you eo get treated differently if you lose weight or start showing gains from working out. People in general are superficial.

One thing I've noticed with older men who look good is they stand out and get more attention than younger guys in the same shape.

But working out builds confidence and even if someone's face is busted a nice body makes up for a lot.

Here's a good way to look at it Icee.

When I was in my 20s, like you claim to be now, I was able to score with pretty young girls. The best part was that, when I was shacking up with them, nobody else got to have them but me. Good times.

Now that I'm much older, I'm not a target for most girls in their 20s because I'm old enough to be their Dad and tbh I wouldn't mess with a civilian one anyway. It wouldn't be fair to her. I'm past the point of spring time romances with very young girls. They should be with people like them, who still have most of their lives ahead of them.

But when I get a craving for younger pussy, I know that I can have your girl. Well, maybe not your girl cause she was a crack ho so she wouldn't have made the cut, but you get what I mean. It's like reliving the good times of my youth without the complications - basically double dipping.

Icee can you describe more on this 74 year old proposing you where you apparently kindly turned down the offer? Do you consider nonsense spoken by crackhos to be serious talk?

@Iceydodo did the 74 yr old proposition you because you had some drugs?

And do you think you'll still need drugs to get with junkie whores when you're 74 just like you do now?

Also why did you decline? Do you have something against 74 yr old naugahyde pussy?

Rick.why are you so obsessed with being the only one a girl fucks when you cheat on your wife and fuck multiple hookers?

One night stands and fwb are alternatives to p4p though. It's not about a relationship or nothing.

Some of you hate on me but I've helped a lot of guys with my advice and guidance

Rick locked those girls down icee
You couldn’t lock down a purp addict

You missed the point Icee. Do you not get the absurd irony of a guy who was shacked up with a drug addicted hooker for 5 years criticizing anyone else for their female relationships? 😆

And who's the one who is fixated? I'm not the one who started this thread. Nor am I the guy who follows his betters around like a puppy in thread after thread posting the same few tired tropes. 😉

“Advice and guidance” my ass. Who on this site have you advised or guided?

My betters? Rick youre a married man who gloats about having to coerce desperate hookers. You have a sick fantasy that you have to be the only one they fuck while you fuck whoever you want. That falls in line with your misogyny in general.

Icee you stated your whole intent in dating strippers is because you want to date the girl everyone wants lol.
And your whole plan fell apart once you dated your first stripper, who fucked tons of men for money.
Then you started your campaign of hating on whores and people who buy extras cause you hate the competition it creates for your girl lol.
Tuscl is just a small website, why dont you go advertise in a club? Or just dont date someone so greedy she cant stop doing extras for money?

===> "My betters?"

Yes. People who have actually built lives and provided for other people. Guys who have raised families with women worthy of respect in their own rights. Guys who have built careers and savings sound enough that they can casually pay girls for what they want and then return to their real lives. Your character OTOH is a cosplay pimp who can't even score a life partner better than a drug addicted hooker and who has never done any of these things.

So yes, your betters.

Icee you refused to answer what you do for work your answer was something like I work in the entertainment industry lulz

The stuff you’ve said puts you on a level lower than that intentional aids spreader. What did google do to you that you want to destroy their headquarters

Btw if someone is a desperate hooker they don’t need to be coerced into having sex for money lulz

Icee you cant address me in public you keep sending these nonsense dms instead lol

@BigThirdEye Iceydodo is a drug dealer and a cosplay pimp. She deals to junkie strippers and tries to turn them out and get them dependant on her. Every now and then she'll find one desperate enough to whore herself to make money or sell drugs on behalf of her. This is why she won't go on record with her profession.

@SLD Icee has been sending me nasty DMs all day but won’t address me in a thread. He’s made some nasty comments about retards and indians too

@BigThirdEye she's the same way on the boards. Every other post is her lashing out at someone. She is constantly nasty - being either drunk or high AF on something or fiending for her next fix. I seriously think we are witnessing her downward spiral into heavy addiction.

Idk I think like 10-15 years younger tops is pretty common and has always been but like a 47 dating 20s or late teens I never see irl without a money exchange...

Iceefag works in the entertainment industry, he's a cosplay pimp and a little bitch serial liar.

I don’t often agree with Icee but he may have a point here. There are a lot of single independent young women who would date an older man who has some money, can get it up and treats them well.

It’s always been the case but seems more so now because the younger generation of men don’t want to date like my generation when I was young - I’m 60.

There are a lot of those sugaring type relationships where a rich older guy is dating a much younger girl. Its not direct prostitution but many people assume she’s with him for the money since hes older.
The odd thing is icee did this himself but if anyone else does it he’ll say they have a hooker but dont want to admit it, are in denial like sjg etc

@BigThirdEye check out one of Iceydodo's very first threads:

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=5817…

This is the same coke junkie stripper whore who she later staged a faux suicide attempt over because she got dumped for being too controlling and obsessive.

And yes it was a sugaring relationship that was all about money. LMAO here's a plethora of quotes from Iceydodo about it:

"Yeah, Im fine with the sugar daddy aspect. Im not naive to think she'd be with me if I were broke."

"I don't get why she would let the money go if nothing else."

"I don't get why she'd do this, even if its about money, you'd think she'd want to keep it up."

"Don't care where I met her and have no problem spending the money, its not an issue."

"its really weird that she would cut off the $$$"

"I don't care if she wants money....I know she loves it, we're both bad with it and I don't mind spending it on her. That isn't the problem"

"Im hoping if nothing else, she misses the money. She won't find this elsewhere...it was a lot. A few hundred a day, some days over a thousand."

"Why would someone say no to that much cash.... especially in her position"

"Im willing to spend it if she wants it."

🤭🤡😂😂😂

Iceydodo now that you are rocking a pacemaker do you think your ex coke junkie bottom bitch will come back to you? She might think you're older and wiser now with it, dontcha think?

I think you're right. He's probably a drug dealer.

💯 drug dealer. Whenever she talks about getting a "date" with a junkie stripper she tends to downplay the drugs part - as if it's not why the junkie is there to begin with. 🤭🤡😂😂😂

Rick you say your wife is worthy of respect. Yet you don't respect her as you pay to fuck women you think don't deserve respect.

Studme... they want to be treated well and think normal dating is getting a princess treatment. It makes them fall hard. That said being broke or cheap isn't attractive to any woman. But its not about money. You have to be able to relate and young women will fall for uou hard when you show that you understand them and make them feel safe.

===> "Rick you say your wife is worthy of respect. Yet you don't respect her as you pay to fuck women you think don't deserve respect."

What does meaningless side sex have to do with respect? You are obviously very young and even more foolish. I won't even go into how absurd this respect criticism is coming from someone who supposedly pimped out his crack ho ex-GF.

Oh and Icee, don't lecture Stud or anyone else here about how to get or keep a woman. You shacked up with a drug addicted hooker and you couldn't even keep her. I mean seriously - just stop talking now. 😆

So why don't you just tell your wife you pay to have meaningless sex with women you don't respect. But it doesn't make you respect her any mess.

Coz it's absurd to say that cheating is a sign of disrespect for your partner?

That can't be as delusional as thinking the hookers you pay to fick aren't hookers

Icee are you seriously still talking? 😆

Rick you said you paying to fuck hookers isn't a sign of disrespect to your wife. That you respect her and not the women you pay to fuck.

Are you still talking? Delusional 🤡

Since you couldn't process it the first time...

What does meaningless side sex have to do with respect? You are obviously very young and even more foolish. I won't even go into how absurd this respect criticism is coming from someone who supposedly pimped out his crack ho ex-GF.

Icee said "Rick you say your wife is worthy of respect. Yet you don't respect her as you pay to fuck women you think don't deserve respect."

Lectures about monogamy from someone who has bragged frequently about "side bitches". I mean, I don't think that any of these women actually exist, but even your false narratives are dripping with hypocrisy.

Rick you're saying that not being loyal to your wife isn't disrespectful.

Cim go troll elsewhere.

Rick do you want your daughters to be with men like you?

Do you not get the absurd irony of a guy who was shacked up with a drug addicted hooker for 5 years criticizing anyone else for their female relationships? 😆

Iceydodo now that you have a pacemaker does that make you feel qualified to know what it's like to be 74?

Icee is simply a child molester. The idea behind this thread is so fucking stupid.

I did not read the thread's actual post. I will at a later date. But upon reading the title, "age is a copout" I disagree with that.

Rick do you want your daughters bto marry men who will cheat on them with hookers? Would you feel they're being respected?


Skibum how is it ridiculous to say that older men can be virile and active and fuck younger women without paying them?

Iceydodo does your pacemaker qualify you for senior discounts?

Icee, people do a lot of things that they wouldn't want their children doing or experiencing. It's the human condition.

Btw, do you not get the absurd irony of a guy who was shacked up with a drug addicted hooker for 5 years criticizing anyone else for their domestic shortcomings? 😆

So you don't want your daughters marrying men who claim they respect them but cheat on them with hookers they don't respect

If married guys with kids didn't do things they shouldn't then most strip clubs wouldn't exist. You of all people should be grateful for that given your former reliance on a crack ho to pay your bills.

Iceydodo did you put your coke junkie ex bottom bitch through nursing school so she could take care of you? Like changing your oxygen tanks and making sure your pacemaker has batteries?

Actually hes got a deep hatred of the concept of extras, escorts, full service etc he wants all that stuff outlawed cause he doesn’t like the competition it creates for non extras strippers. He hates the fact his girl did extras

He also has some odd issue with corporations and landlords where he wants to destroy them or beat them up. Not specific corps or landlords but all of them. He said dancers can beat and rob anyone who solicits them since its illegal to solicit someone

>>>>>>"Some here constantly say that older men have no option but to pay young women for sex."

Actually a lot of people don't say that at all, that's just your own lack of reading comprehension, what many here do say, they prefer to pay for sex, it's a lot less complicated for them, but you keep right on trolling Iceefag, this is just another example of you looking to stir shit for your own entertainment.

Kind of dunny that the only loser who got financially taken by a prostitute for 5 fucking years and wanted to kill himself over it, would ever think anyone cares about their opinion. Icee is the perfect example of who not to be in life. Anyone with a brain knows you pay those you don't want to date; whom you don't want to know and whom you do not want in your life.

Rick. Do you want your daughters to marry men who will cheat on them with hookers? Coz they can still be respected while cheated on right?

20fag I'd say work on your reading comprehension but you're just senile.

Skicuck you're losing it. Attacking me for saying older man can fuck younger women without p4p

^bwahaha what a demonstration of stupidity
Dumbass fuck

2Icee get cancer and die in pain, after you watch everyone you care about, oops that's no one.....

"Dumbass fuck" never heard that before

^ you are the queen of dumb ass fucks because u take it up the ass boy...

@Iceefad
When I was 28 I had many women, regularly went on dates, my dad used to make jokes about me having women on tap, I didn't have time to sit on the internet 24/7 looking to compete with men in their 60s and 70s, and unlike you I actually had a job, money, a nice car, and a large three bedroom apartment on the river facing Manhattan with friends and traveled 3-5 times a year
Exactly what have you accomplished, a failed suicide attempt, a pacemaker inserted, a junkie girl leaving you for a better drug dealer/pimp, looks like you're doing great for a 75 year old, too bad your only 28!

Icee is 28? lol too fucking funny.

^ Don't know if it's true but that's what he claims LOL

Icee you even admitted you walk around with a plug in your ass while doing purp, your girl slept with many men besides you so what does it matter if a man does the same thing your girl did

20fag I had a temporary pacemaker because of covid affecting my heart. You think that's funny or a reason to troll me? I do better than most people. And I fuck who I want. I can pick girls up at the grocery store. My neighborhood. Wherever. And the loml came back to me and is getting better.
Snd I'm not competing with anyone here. You are. You claim to be a millionaire but spend your days trolling me .

Please child, why don't you slink quietly away, I've never claimed to be a millionaire, and I don't troll you you are the Johnny come lately that is always making up flexes to compete with me. You must have been smoking meth or some other shit, this is too funny ! Temporary pacemaker, too funny they don't implant temporary pacemakers, they are external devices used to aid patients after open heart surgery, or other situations and only used for a few days, implanted devices by their nature cannot be temporary.
Every time you embellish your story it becomes wilder and less believable. LULZ

That loml should be in prison for purp distribution and robbing icee, and you got the pacemaker because you deserved it you get what you deserve, maybe if you dodnt want to go around destroying businesses and robbing people maybe you wouldnt have had to go through it. You cried when you went to prison, it must have been hilarious to see, crying mommy mommy im in jail mommy i got a pacemaker

"I do better than most people...

...Snd I'm not competing with anyone here."

^^^LMFAO just another blatant contradiction by Iceydodo. 🤭🤡😂😂😂

===> "So you don't want your daughters marrying men who claim they respect them but cheat on them with hookers they don't respect"

Of course not. But like I said, people do a lot of things that they wouldn't want their children doing or experiencing. It's part the human condition.

So what's your point?

===> "Please child, why don't you slink quietly away..."

"Child" is the operative word, or at least emotionally under-developed.

Given her utter lack of shame regarding the supposed pimp activity, we know that all of that must be fake. I'm guessing an angry young woman with one or two developmental disabilities coupled with Grade A anxiety issues. it's evident not only by the tonal quality of her posts, but what she endlessly fixates on. She gets so mad about some things that she can't stay in character, not that the character was all that compelling anyway.

You fool no one Icee. Just a fucking loser who lies 24/7. I find it sad that you somehow find it very important to date young girls, as if that makes up for you not being a man. On occasion I rent a pretty young girl, the same way I pay a greens fee or buy a ski pass. I don't want to own the ski area, or the golf course and I don't want to date or marry the pretty young girl. I just want a few hours of what they have to offer as a change of pace from regular life. It's entertainment and nothing more. There isn't a woman on earth that I would trade for my wife. Not even close.