Affirmation that they are not "whores"

Yeah nah that's pretty weird. Most of the OTC girls I've been with never even bring up the topic. It's just wham, bam, thank you ma'am. Are you specifically calling them whores and they don't like it? Luckily I have not encountered any girl with waterworks, at least not the type coming from their eyes LOL. I don't understand why they get offended anyway, nothing wrong with being a whore, it's the world's oldest profession.

Sometimes you say what you have to say in order to get what you want

"I had to spend another 15 minutes reassuring her that I viewed her as a complete person and enjoyed her company"

15 whole minutes?! Bwah ha. I've spent longer than that trying to talk a dancer down from a ledge because I suggested the wrong club to meet at. I thought we were meeting on neutral ground to sort out the details for a no pants dance, and she thought we were going on a date.

I mean if you didn't prowl the clubs for desperate and weak-minded women who have bills due/past due....Like why are you even surprised you're getting this kind of reaction?

Just ask her if that means you can keep your money if she's not a whore.

Well written

“ I mean if you didn't prowl the clubs for desperate and weak-minded women….”

AHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhah

15 Minutes only damn man you're good

I am not sure if you are laughing at what I said because it sounds crazy to you or laughing because that is what he has literally stated that he does.

^ Both

===> "I mean if you didn't prowl the clubs for desperate and weak-minded women who have bills due/past due....Like why are you even surprised you're getting this kind of reaction?"

A psycho burnout should probably think carefully before she criticizes other for being weak minded. Most of the girls I see agree to this because they are supporting other people, such as kids, aging parents, etc., and need to earn the freight. One is shouldering high living expenses because she needs a place big enough to house all of her rescue animals. OTOH with your issues I suspect that you struggle just to take care of yourself.

They're avoiding the uncomfortable realization that the values of the society they live in are ridiculous.

===> "15 Minutes only damn man you're good"

===> "15 whole minutes?! Bwah ha."

Sadly my real life is chalk full of unavoidable female drama. If I didn't learn how to deal with dramatic moments fairly efficiently I'd never get anything else done. 😆

But when I get those precious nights out, it's not really what I'm looking to deal with. I'm paying someone to focus on my needs. Now we're all human, so the occasional bad moment is unavoidable, but damn I seem to be running into it a lot more lately.

No, I haven't had to deal with this. Most of the dancers I associate with in this capacity are pretty clear eyed. I have had conversations with them about their OTC work and why they do it. The reasons are all over the map from "I have people to support." to "I graduated with a Fine Arts degree." to "I really like quick money."

While I understand the preference towards low-volume or first-timers, etc., I think that if you're going to be the person who convinces a dancer to start doing P4P sex, then baked into that is the unavoidable reality that for a decent percentage of these women your fun is going to be their existential crisis. I'm pretty sure that this isn't the first time you've posted about a dancer crying at the end of one of your OTC sessions. So, obviously there's nothing in the water; this reaction is furniture in the space in which you choose to have your particular fun.

And so each guy has to ask themselves how much of that they can or want to deal with. Personally, if my OTCs ended often enough in crisis and tears where I thought "I wonder why this keeps happening?", then I'd likely change tacks or just stop. But, other guys will make other choices.

I agree with ilbbaicnl's comment regarding "ridiculous" values. I'd lump in "often hypocritical" as well, but that's not going to change anytime soon.

The flip side is the whiny customer who wants the dancer to think of him as more than an open wallet. Customers and providers are just as different as snowflakes: all different, all the exact same.

I deal with this all the time with sugar babies. They do not want to think of themselves as escorts that you find online. They want to be different. That's why they come up with terms like allowance. They view the money as gifts. And the sex as intimacy.

@rickdugan

I will play along and comment on your discussion.

It is not the water; it is YOU, you unconsciously, instinctively choose these type of girls.

And then YOU tolerate their behavior and YOU like, enjoy complaining about it.

So don’t drink and drive and don’t drink and OTC, and don’t drink and post, because you might be causing harm to yourself and others.

I have twice met OTC with young dancers who were in pursuing a degree in criminal justice. How about that for irony. One ended our evening in tears. I felt bad for her. The other ended in laughter and told me that she was going to change her major to nursing.

These replies are $$$$$!

One I was seeing OTC would quietly pick up the money and would never say thank you.

I've dealt with it, but its not routine by any means. It might be a result of differences in how we club and choose OTC partners. I'm usually doing OTC with girls who I've spent some time with ITC getting to know each other on a somewhat personal level. And our OTC interactions are often more than a simple, meet - fuck - pay - leave. They're usually at my house too. If they had those needs, they likely have already been met. Since we don't have to force it, I don't notice it.

With the girls I spend less time with and do have more overtly transactional relationships with, its mostly because that's how they prefer it. In all honesty, that's most often the Cuban chicks. It's not the majority of the Cuban girls operate that way, but the majority of the ones that do are Cuban. I'm not sure if its a language and communication gap and I just don't know how they feel or if its more of a cultural or socioeconomic thing and they don't have those needs or feelings to begin with.

Does she not understand that you can see her as both a whore and a whole person? Since she is only willing to have sex with you in exchange for money that does make her a whore although there are less degrading terms (escort, sex worker, call girl, etc) for it that might be better to use. That doesn't mean that is all she is, it is only one part of her overall persona. She can also be a lovely, hard working funny, smart and caring person that does this to support herself or her family.

This is no different than the fact that those of us that pay for sex are by definition whoremongers or whatever term you want to use. That isn't all we are but it is part of who we are.

I have no problem telling the women I see otc or itc for sex that I see them as funny, smart, confident, friendly or whatever else about their personality led me to choose them over the other available sexy dancers for the extra services that evening. In fact I usually do this without them asking as part of my flirting/negotiating with them before finalizing the deal after all complementing her on the things you find appealing about her other than just her looks can go a long way.

Maybe that is why I have never had a dancer ask me if I see her as just a whore since I have already told her what else I like about her.

===> "While I understand the preference towards low-volume or first-timers, etc., I think that if you're going to be the person who convinces a dancer to start doing P4P sex, then baked into that is the unavoidable reality that for a decent percentage of these women your fun is going to be their existential crisis."

Funny, I was thinking about this myself and agree to a certain extent. But let's also be clear-eyed about where I meet them. It's not like I'm soliciting girls working fast food drive thru lanes. These are strippers who have already chosen to commercialize their sexual appeal to varying degrees. Now sure crossing that line is indeed a Rubicon moment for some of them, but it's not like they weren't marching in that general area to begin with.

Idk. As someone else mentioned, I've had these moments in the past, but they have become much more frequent as-of late. I may need to think about whether something has changed in my own behavior lately which is making them feel less valued/appreciated.

You mentioned seeing girls who have very low volume, are very selective in who they do otc with, etc. you also mentioned that you’re grateful you’re still built like a monster truck. With these selective otc girls, they’re likely not just doing it for money, but also because they genuinely like the person. Its a different situation than the high volume otc girl, or an escort, who are more motivated by money.

I understand that. But though they are in the sex work track, I suspect that many tell themselves "Fine. I'm doing this, but I'll never do that." until that happens for whatever reason. It's still obviously a conflict and a crisis for them.

If there is an increase in post-OTC crisis, then it might be tied to the bad economy, inflation, and the resulting desperation. But I'm no expert; it could be something else entirely.

So, again, if that's the case then every guy has to ask themselves if they are helping someone in a desperate spot or exploiting their desperation. That probably comes down to a case-by-case basis.

===> "Does she not understand that you can see her as both a whore and a whole person? Since she is only willing to have sex with you in exchange for money that does make her a whore although there are less degrading terms (escort, sex worker, call girl, etc) for it that might be better to use."

There you go trying to apply logic to female emotions, lol. 😆

It is better not to use any of those terms with dancers, lol, especially ones who don't do this routinely. A girl who finally decides to selectively cross the line with one or a few club customers often doesn't view herself as any of those things.

I suspect that most low volume girls rationalize it by viewing it as nothing more than an extension of their club activities. After all, she's not selling sex on some website or fucking and sucking dudes ITC - ew gross. Nope, she just decided to meet up outside with one or a few customer(s) who she got comfortable with ITC. So there's no way that anyone could think of her as some whore, right? 😁

You can call it hypocrisy, emotional deceit or whatever else you want, but you'd be surprised how many of the girls I've seen OTC think this way. I've even had OTC partners sitting with me call other girls ITC "whores", with a note of genuine disgust in their voices, even as they were planning to leave with me that night. Like so many things we encounter when we deal with women, we may never understand how a girl thinks this way, but it is enough to know that she does and adjust accordingly.

For me, the only one in recent memory who seemed overly concerned about it is the MILF I still see sometimes. She has never let me give her any money for our OTC. She'll let me buy lunch/dinner, give her Christmas and birthday (but not random) gifts of cash, and she would take as much money in the club as I would give her, but she would never take it explicitly for the fucking itself.

Mind you, I've never, ever, found any profit at all in calling one of these girls a hooker, whore, escort, or whatever other synonym for prostitute. There's just no reason to do so. But most of them seem to have been self-aware enough to recognize the reality. My ATF used to say "I'm your whore", and even my current "sugar baby" has made similar mostly joking comments.

Rick you do a great job at pretending hookers aren't hookers. Keep channeling your inner sjg

^ you do a great job at being a total douche bag on every thread.

Icee pimped out his crack addict ex-GF, so we know where he's coming from. For him a hoe is a hoe is a hoe. 😉

^ small correction A hoe is a hoe is a rake lulz

Icee admitted in another thread he has a deep hatred for people who pay for extras and dancers or escorts who offer them... he doesnt like the competition it creates for dancers, he wanted to date a purpho but not have her do extras or otc, but because of the competition she was forced to offer extras

I have felt your pain Rick. In my view, it can be part of the entire experience from time to time.

Who me? No! Of course I see you as a real person!

A sexual object? No worth outside of sex? Who filled your pretty little head with such thoughts?!

I know cosmetology school will provide you with a meaningful career. Once you get back to your studies, I’m confident you will be valedictorian of your class - and graduate with some sort of honors!

I basically listen and act offended when she pauses - as that’s usually when I’m required to show interest and reply.

Rick, I know you have children and possibly listening to some of the girl’s school drama helps to prepare for this. But, I agree, it’s annoying when you are paying.

The way I see it Iceefag being with someone is just an affirmation that they’re a crack whore.

Rick, my only problem is that you specifically prey on girls in desperate situations who don't have enough intelligence/cunning/willpower to get thru it some better way. These are clearly girls who would normally not do prostitution. I do not have a problem with anyone seeking out extras girls who have zero issue with what they do.

Yeah, and that is the difference between me and them. I am selfish af and do not have obligations :) I know, that's why I got a pet cat to take care of me the last few years.

Also honestly, I just think they are weak-minded and dumb. It is easy to run up your credit in an emergency or hell go get a regular fucking job and sign up for the all the overtime in the world. Easy to do these days if desperate.

Anyways there are a lot of lonely guys out there that are willing to help girls out without sexual favors in return. I do not understand these stupid American and Latina bitches that do not realize the power of just being a cute female willing to listen to and care about a lonely guy's issues.

If it bugs you, switch to escorts. They will only may personal with you if you're a longer term regular, and they sense that you want things to get more personal.

If you feel like escorts charge too much, I guess it's another example how there's never really a free lunch.

may only get

Rick, I am going to give you some serious man to man advice, so pay close attention.

You need to eat WAY MORE BEANS! SERIOUSLY BRO! You have an imbalance of hot air coming out of you and the beans will help restore the balance. You need to fart more to match the hot air from the other end.

Yes Rick preys on the most desperate women. But he's also delusional. They're selling him the illusion that he's special and that he's not just another trick.

In reality hoes hate men like him. They resent them. They know they're being used because of their desperate circumstance

Just quote Pretty Woman: "I hate to point out the obvious, but you are, in fact, a hooker!"

Hoes hate guys who fuel and get them addicted to purp and guys who have panic attacks at the pharmacy

Icee, one would think that you'd be too ashamed to post about these topics given that you got played and then dumped by a crack ho. Needless to say you don't have much credibility here. Maybe you should find the kiddie table until the grownups are done talkin. 😉

Yes, Icee is the absolute spot-on epitome of what he professes to hate. Of course every single thing the asshole says is a lie, but to be fair he's fucking awful at lying too.

"Anyone else deal with this routinely with OTC girls?" - yes. more often than not in my decades of this hobby.

Blah what makes them weak minded and dumb? Who in their right mind would slave away for 10 hours earning $10-$20 an hour tops when they could instead get $300+ in an hour? The main reason more people don’t do this is because of some sort of religious or moral restrictions, legalities, safety concerns, emotional issues etc. Most of these otc girls and escorts are very smart and cunning. The stereotypical desperate crack hoe is the one doing stuff for $50 or $80.

The lonely guys you refer to who give out free money for nothing, have issues of their own to resolve, and are being taken advantage of by the girls and are probably desperate for something.

It is exceedingly difficult, but maybe becoming more common for a strict no extras dancer to maintain any regulars. An extras dancer can potentially earn $300+ from the same client week after week. Even if they use icees robbing, beating and leading on tactics they would struggle to get $300 more than once off of the same client. Non extras likely require higher client turnover. Also even if you are talking morally, how do you equate full service sex with a nude lapdance? For instance is OTC with 5 clients really worse than doing a nude lapdance for 15 clients?

The otc girls are using their time more efficiently

The older meaning of whore is an FS sex worker who will refuse no customer who can pay. So, it can be a compliment, she's saying, I have standards, and you met them. Maybe also a warning, get too raunchy or rough, and you won't be seeing me anymore.

@bla: “ I am not sure if you are laughing at what I said because….”

I was laughing bc I was drunk and it’s funny, and it’s funny because you are calling Rick out on an aspect of his method that many of us feel is a little dodgy, and that he tends to dance around a bit. You’re pinning someone down on their bs and that can be very funny, esp with a deadpan delivery.

Not that I feel he is a bad person for paying women good money for a service that they provide, whatever their internal narrative around that service is. Everybody involved is a grownup and no one has a gun to their head.

@BahBlah I see someone beat me to it, but I was going to point out to you that guys giving you large amounts of money with nothing in exchange is just as weak and a sure indication of some sort of weirdness as well.

They all may be looking Rick as a marriage potential. Lucky man.

Good point philly. He is rickyrolling

^ Two profiles... but one IP address.

===> "Rick, my only problem is that you specifically prey on girls in desperate situations who don't have enough intelligence/cunning/willpower to get thru it some better way. These are clearly girls who would normally not do prostitution."

Since our resident drama queen Drew seems to believe that I dance around this, let me address it head on.

First, this comment was absurdly arrogant. Do you really think that your intelligence/cunning/willpower are superior to those who ultimately make this choice? Please. With all due respect, you're a fucking psychological mess. Even with nothing more than a cat and yourself to feed, you're burnt to a crisp. Imagine what your mental state would be right now if you actually had other people to take care of and high baked in living expenses to shoulder.

Also the notion that I prey on anyone is hogwash. You really think that they girls I see don't know what their other options are? That they don't know where the food banks are, or how to find other support services, or that they don't understand that they can work vanilla jobs if they wish, etc., etc? How stuck in your own head are you?

When a girl sees me OTC to pay some bill, it is because it is the option more preferable to her than doing one of these other things, not because she's incapable of doing them. Around here we have more food pantries, soup kitchens, charitable organizations (including Catholic Charities) than you can shake a stick at, along with more jobs than can be filled.

For example, if a girl fucks me for money in order to earn grocery money for her and the kids, it's not because she would have to go hungry otherwise. It's because she'd prefer that to having to drag them to a meal service or get groceries from a local food bank. As another example, if she fucks me to keep her cell phone on, it's because she'd rather not live without it for however long it takes to pay it some other way. I could go on.

This isn't the 1950s, with little in the way of on the ground support for those who need it. When a girl fucks me for money, it's never really because she has no other options. Instead it is about convenience and maintaining a certain standard of living, especially for the kiddos.

@blah: "Also honestly, I just think they are weak-minded and dumb."

More weak minded than a coal miner selling his or her body (and lung health) to mine coal? More weak minded than a professional athlete selling his or her body for entertainment?

There is nothing inherently immoral about prostitution, from either side. The characterization of it as such is yet another way to for people to impose their will on women and limit their choices.

@blah: "It is easy to run up your credit in an emergency or hell go get a regular fucking job and sign up for the all the overtime in the world."

A "regular" job that pays a tenth of what an hour of letting some creepy fuck stick his dick in you. If I could pay my mortgage by selling sex for four or five hours a month, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I love people who treat their own particular moral choices as some kind of natural law that others are "weak" or "corrupt" for not following.

Hey Rick - I like it when they keep reaffirming that they are not whores, because then I can pretend that they only do this with me. I usually make them affirm that they know that I don't do this with any random stripper either. LOL!

Once, an OTC dancer was persistently telling me that she wasn't a hooker and wasn't in my hotel room for the money. So, I tried taking the inconspicuous envelope back and she seemed to have a quick change of heart and suddenly the money was important.

Rick your whole persona on here is pretending to be a great family man who coerces desperate women into prostituting themselves to you. That's repulsive to anyone. You think you're special because hookers fuck you.

I’ve got one right now been texting me all day. She wants to cum visit me on her dime from Mi to Fla. I just had to brush her off. She’s nice but looks like a total whore, covered in tats and usually reeks of weed. She’s fun and wild and I have no problem going to her home. But the almost 30 year age difference in the very nice conservative community I’m in? I’d have to say she’s my Neice. It’s just not a good look. The other thing and I hate to say this too is you have to “treat em how you meet em”. Dancers I’ve met over the years are inevitably attracted to guys that mistreat them. The fact I’ve brushed her off has made her want to come visit even more. May have to block her

Just say you’re wanting to tap into her “inner whore” that’s been hiding from you for a little fun!

If you like her enough to spend on her why would you want to call her a derogatory name? She is a reflection of who you are, despite your misplaced belief that you are somehow superior.

@Htxx I'd bet, in your conservative community, you have lots of neighbors with a daughter with lots of tats and who smells like weed. Say she's a friends daughter. Since not everyone has a desktop computer these days, my plan was to say she came over to run software that only ran on my desktop. But nobody ever mentioned my OTC pals. Even though I paid one to paint my mailbox, because she was good at such things.

One of my OTC pals would turn your head so fast you'd sprain your neck. But, because she was black, I was afraid someone would think she cleaned my house, and ask her to clean theirs. Hopefully I only have such fears because I saw the bad old days.

I think it's pretty phony for a flea to feel like it's better than the dog whose back it rides on. Strippers are important to me, I'd feel greasy being ashamed of them.

The community I’m in the “daughters” are in their mid 50’s like me

My niece has a boatload of tats and smells like weed, probably because I got her high.

Some of thesw dancers are driving 70k luxury or sports cars. Buying things like $2000 flipflops, $500 perfumes, expensive nikes yeezys etc. its not homeless starving women in rags fucking for money. The imagery described by some people is because they want to manipulate you into not partaking in prostitution. It could be because of wanting to impose sone moral or religious values or it could be as shown before, some dont like the competition that extras dancers or escorts create. People are less likely to pay $200 for a massage or lapdance if they can get full service for that, or better yet full service plus massage plus lapdance.

If she was actually desperate she’d fuck for $50 or under $100!

Why can't Rick just go with the multitudes of girls who literally solicit the guys? These are women who know what they are doing and clearly want to.

^ they always has the option to say no if I’m reading Rick right, these girls aren’t quite so innocent as he thinks, he’s not co opting church girls or Girl Scouts, they are strippers working in a strip club.

He tells himself they're not hookers so he feels special. He has to be really off to have to coerce them

@Htxx they're still daughters even if they don't live in the same home/neighborhood as their parents.

Seems like many here are convinced that strippers are very distinct from women under 35 in general. That's not what I see, more similar that different.

^twentyfive I don't think it is normal to have frequent sessions ending in the girl crying and having a crisis. Sure, maybe these aren't totally innocent women- but appears they are not entirely wanting to do what they do with Rick.

@bMaybe yes maybe no, but there’s no question they wanted to get paid, not to put it all on them, but I don’t see Rick as a villain here, they need to take some responsibility for their actions and be sure this is what they’re willing to do beforehand
He’s stated what he wants, she needs to do the same before not after.

Rick gets off on that. It makes him feel powerful

Just like he gets off on demeaning the hookers he pays on here

^My reply was to blah

20fag you're no different than the other old tricks of course you relate to Rick. And I wasn't talking to your senile ass

I seem to have a stone in my shoe.

It was just a pebble.

icee you insist theyre hookers yet they only fuck rick and genuinely like him

20fag how much would your daughter do Rick for?

Yeah, but there's plenty of beautiful whores that are more than willing. So yall just dodging my question of why is it ok to go for reluctant girls who definitely enter crisis mode upon completing w/e sexual activity? I feel like that is very predatory.

I am not talking about girls who solicited then cry later. It clearly seems like Rick goes for girls that don't really wanna do this then he vents about them crying? What did you think? Oh wait you're a fucking predatory sociopath who doesn't give a flying fuck.

Either he gets off on being a misogynist or he's really that off that he has to coerce hookers.

Anyways of course they're not their only tricks

@blah I’m not dodging your question, I don’t know the answer to that my reading is I’m giving Rick some poetic license, for the sake of the tale, but I just don’t see this as coercive as you do, I’m guessing that they were gung ho for the money and maybe they changed their mind after the fact, or maybe they thought they could get a few more bucks out of him, or who knows, my sex life is the same few women for years now, I just go to a few clubs to drink and have a few laughs with my friends the gals I’m friends with I very rarely go to their club, they more often join me at where I’m hanging out.

Blah have you ever gone after a guy that played hard to get? Rick goes after the girls he does for a similar reason. He is in it as much for the pursuit as he is for the sex. He chooses to go after girls who don't normally have sex for money partly because they likely haven't had as many random partners as a girl that openly solicits men for sex and partly for the satisfaction of knowing he talked a girl into something that other men couldn't talk her into.

While his motives may not be altruistic it isn't like he is blackmailing the girls into it. He didn't put them into the situation they are in, he just offers them a way out. Is it a bit sad and creepy? Sure, but so is every part of the sex work industry to an extent.

I'm sure there may be a few girls that grow up and want to be a sex worker because it seems like fun. The majority just make a choice and decide sex work is the best choice to get what they want. A few of them are going to regret that choice either right after the first time or at some point down the road. Personally I prefer girls who have done it a few times before since they are more likely to have come to terms with their decision to be a full service sex worker and less likely to regret it right after. UT I can't blame Rick for preferring newbies if that is what he likes.

^ I see what you're saying, but I feel like there have to be newbies or low mileage hookers that are all about it and shameless w/ zero regrets.

So anyways, I wanna do OTC with blah. I’ll be partly crying because I’m being a whore, but I’ll be mostly crying because of 🔪🔪🔪🥰🥰🥰

@blah: "It clearly seems like Rick goes for girls that don't really wanna do this then he vents about them crying?"

Look, I will never be rick's greatest fan, for a variety of reasons I've expressed here a fair few times, but I've never gotten the impression that he goes after woman who don't "want to". He definitely goes after women who might not usually do it, and he's probably convinced a few who've never done it before, but the very nature of preferring women who aren't high volume sex workers is going to be accompanied by a certain amount of soul searching on the woman's part when they've actually done the deed, and I have little doubt that some of the women he's convinced decided "never again" afterwards, but "crying"? Not that I've seen.

@bla: “I am not talking about girls who solicited then cry later. It clearly seems like Rick goes for girls that don't really wanna do this then he vents about them crying?”

Rick, you have bragged yourself into a corner. 😉

I wanna be nicespice's whore so I can play with her unicorn horn 🦄 You sure it isn't you doing the stabbing? 🤣

I’ll do whatever you want 🦄

I’ll even bring out the toy youtu.be

Omg LOL, that is a cool toy

===> Blah posted: “I am not talking about girls who solicited then cry later. It clearly seems like Rick goes for girls that don't really wanna do this then he vents about them crying?”

===> Drama_Queen posted: "Rick, you have bragged yourself into a corner. 😉"

A few times over multiple years is hardly a pattern. Indeed the very reason I posted about them, then and now, were because of their aberrational nature.

===> "Why can't Rick just go with the multitudes of girls who literally solicit the guys? These are women who know what they are doing and clearly want to."

Because I don't want those girls.

Look blah, I'm not sure what impression you've formed of me, but I can assure you that I'm the last guy to ever hard sell a girl. It's often a natural process that happens over time, often involving several conversations in the club and a fair amount of rapport building. I never press a girl who tells me that she isn't interested. Instead I leave the door open if she ever changes her mind and, every so often (usually when she is complaining about slow money), remind her that it is an option.

Those are the basics anyway. The rapport building is definitely the key. I'm not arrogant, condescending, uptight, too eager to please, defensive, boisterous or any of those other traits which make so many club customers so off-putting and emotionally draining to deal with. I'm relaxed, quietly friendly and happy to tip decently barside and on stage. This keeps keeps the chair next to me often occupied, especially on slower shifts, including girls who have declined an offer in the past. From there, when the moment is right, things have a way of opening up.

Btw none of this was intended to be bragging. Just trying to be clear that I'm hardly one of those guys who goes into a club seeking some sad or desperate looking girl to prey upon. I go looking for girls who entice me and then, if the stars eventually align, then cool beans.

Rick you're paying for a.fantasy. they deliver the illusion to match your delusion

Whodey i agree with your post. However the thing is this. Do we really know if rick is just talking them into this? Its likely a combination of his talking skills and his looks. He mentioned hes still muscular and built like a monster truck. Maybe he looks very good for his age, which then plays a factor and explains the jealousy and possessiveness of some of these girls. Even here on the website his dms are likely stuffed with dancers dming him for otc. They read his experiences and know he is in demand, which creates a trifecta of more dancers wanting to meet him otc even if they normally don’t do it.

@rick, Funny. May be asking for affirmation that to see her as girl friend or wife material is a trick they play to get frequent gifts and make you to feel you need to take care of all her expenses. If she has 10 OTC clients, the elite 2 or 3 clients gets this emotional affirmation question. You are not alone. Talk to her other OTC clients 🤣May be new to game?

Even the dancers on stripperweb were chasing after him hard. Even though he posted in the dancer only sections

"Do you really think that your intelligence/cunning/willpower are superior to those who ultimately make this choice? Please. With all due respect, you're a fucking psychological mess. Even with nothing more than a cat and yourself to feed, you're burnt to a crisp. Imagine what your mental state would be right now if you actually had other people to take care of and high baked in living expenses to shoulder." - Rick

"I'm not arrogant, condescending, uptight, too eager to please, defensive, boisterous or any of those other traits" - Rick, 20 lines later.

Is that just in the club, or on tuscl too? 😉

lmfao I would still say these bitches are dumb, yes. You gotta be fucking retarded to have sex for like $300 or w/e yall TUSCLERS pay em. Hey I am not hating on you guys for getting the goods at these prices from girls that are attractive to you. For the single guys out there, I am aware that this tends to be a much better option than a wife which ends up being more expensive and time consuming. Plus I get that one day you're in the mood for vanilla and the next chocolate etc etc. And with paying you get to call all the shots within reason. Whereas a regular chick will force you to do whatever it takes make her cum a 1000 times or never see your ass again etc etc.

I got a dude right now I don't fuck or even send nudes to paying my rent like the last half yr or so while I've been back in school. Yeah, I'd say I'm pretty smart.

I've also done plenty of OTC w/o screwing and been paid for a mutually pleasant time.

Do I think I'm emotionally balanced? No. Did I say that anywhere? No. Do I think I am a total genius or rocket scientist? LOL no.

I guess to each their own. I would rather get a low wage job which out here these days is like $20/hr and just slave away OT than be a crying mess and doing sht I regret to fix a temporary problem. If this isn't a temporary financial issue then if the same girl has frequent REAL (not exaggerated or fictitious) financial crises then maybe she needs to learn how to manage her money better or get a better paying job or work more????? Or perhaps get educated on just how much you can get out of these dudes.

They're hookers. Hookers tell tricks they're special and the only ones etc when that's what the trick pays to hear

Rick is more delusional than sjg

@blah blah That kinda sounds like what you’ve been riding Rick about Speaking strictly for myself I don’t want to take advantage of anyone but I’m not going to allow myself to be taken advantage of either

^ you are a bigger douchebag than Putin. By the way why do people who denigrate hookers want to kill themselves when a hooker dumps them?

A common trend here is tricks exaggerating the mess girls are to make themselves feel better and superior to the hookers they pay. Notice how any thread about women that doesn't involve p4p gets hate and triggers weirdos

Skicuck your wife's cunt is public domain 20fag you couldn't keep 2 wives and your fugly daughter isn't around either. You know shit about women

^ weirdos like those who call women whores and then when one of the whores dump them they want to kill themselves? Weirdos like that fucked up d bag?

Skicuck weirdos like you who harass me lie and send nasty dms threatening to kill me. Cucks like you who get off on their wives getting fucked by black guys while you post racist shit

Don’t you worry Iceefag you will get what’s coming to you you motherless cocksucker.

Never sent one dm threatening to kill you. I want you to kill yourself, bit know you're so fucking incompetent that the greatest accomplishment on your life is not peeing on the floor 100% of the time....Was your mother a whore?

A common trend here is wanna be pimps exaggerating the mess pl's are to make themselves feel better and superior to the tusclers they hang out with online all day every day. Notice how any thread about anything that doesn't involve icey gets hate and triggers dumb shit posts like the above

Keep the threats coming. 20fag does your daughter do lesbo shit like skicucks wife?

Drew. See whenever I'm right I hit a nerve.

They degrade the hookers they pay to feel better about themselves. Some go as far as to pretend they're not hookers. Some exhibit extreme anger and misogyny berating them after fucking them. Like Rick

Icee's Mom was a two-bit hooker so he has issues.

I'll give you this, you are good at hitting nerves. I don't think that always translates to you being right. The more relevant question is: why? Why hang out in a place where everyone hates you and you hate them back? They're dicks to you bc they're defending their space, tuscl. This is very normal behavior. What's not normal is to go somewhere, find out you're not welcome, and then double triple quadruple etc down. Sure we tricks and old and whatever, but what's your excuse?

Drew what's not normal is for geriatric tricks to harass and threaten someone coz they can't accept the reality that not everyone goes to clubs or sees stripper hoes the way they do.

Now go suck their ducks coz you're just like them

Ducks lulz

They're not harassing you bc they "can't accept reality". They all know that lots of people go to clubs without seeking sex. It's obvious.

They hate you because you disrespect their space. Harassment follows easily from there. You make it easier with nonsense sjw politics and absurd conflicting positions like espousing feminism and then calling women stripper ho's. But thats just icing on the cake.

They hate you bc you disrespect their space, and the main activity that brings them to the space: paying for sex. They harass you bc you won't leave.

I'll add that I am not into ducks.

Icee extras are a normal part of strip clubs, you hate extras girls and tricks because you dated a stripper who also gave out extras because other girls were and she wanted to compete. You basically hate the free market, hence your hate extends to republicans, tricks, hoes, etc... thats your problem if you’re dating someone in the sex work industry and you dont want her doing extras

Drew you and them harass me because I'm not a part of your circle jerk.

Justifying harassment and hate online makes you sick in the head. Go pay attention to your family instead of me

^ you have 3 fucking reviews here you scumbag. You are worthless.

@Drew you could point out that when he’s not around there is very few protracted issues between members he’s the issue because his enabler (founder) won’t do the right thing and get rid of the obvious problem.

Icee you're not a part of the circle jerk because... you guessed it: you disrespect their space and won't leave. No circle jerk for you. Your assessment of my mental health is even less important that your opinion of me. I don't care what you think. But keep rooting around, maybe you'll find s button to push!

Quack Quack

25 has 68 reviews. I have 173. Easy to figure out why we are here. Icee has 3. Easy to figure out why he is here and it has nothing to do with strip clubs.

trying to get this back on track

meeting a dancer for dinner, show and then back to my place tonight. all so she can say she is my date. Hotels make her feel like a whore, taking money for sex does not

I’m not at all concerned if a customer thinks I’m a whore.

Surprise, I think you are a trick🥳

And the two lived happily ever after. The end.💋

When I use hotels for OTC, I try hard to use places where the woman can come directly to my room without stopping at the front desk.

I also try hard to not go to the front desk with the dancer, because (though it's very rare) there is the occasional front desk person who decides to be openly condescending or snarky. And, though it doesn't matter to me, it has put the dancer into sour / angry mood. That's not the best way to kick off an OTC encounter.

@Bharlem - awesome. I have no problem acknowledging who I am and what we are doing. Some of the ladies care. I see no harm in accommodating them.

maybe someday our paths will cross.

@bharlem right the fuck on. I love your insights, honestly, and no-bullshit approach.

Wait a second...you mean dancers don't like us for who we are? Seriously? It's the money? Jack and Jull went up the hill, each with a buck and a quarter. Jill came down with $2.50.

Well said BHarlem! (Even though I don’t think of you as a whore).

Your honesty and brevity are impressive. Your post is almost poetic!

I agree, Cashman!

It weird how blah thinks her behavior isnt predatory too...and she always knows that the client/custy has a pleasant experience. Before going on these dates does she let her customer know theres no sex

also if youre a regular at a club and you havent been blacked balled the girls probably feel safe and accept that OTC offer. Girls talk about the regulars in the clubs