What's the deal with scanning driver's licenses?

They do it so they can track who the person is. Plain and simple. 99.99% of the time I don't have an issue in a club, so I've gotten more lax about letting clubs do it. But earlier this I almost got burned because some stripper got pissed that I was more interested in her plastic-looking friend (I was bored and they were there) and kicked up a snit with her management.

When the manager and muscle came over, my first thought was getting out the door. I don't give two shits about what some local club workers think when I'm traveling. I just don't need my IRL concerns affected by club bullshit and people putting on airs. If my id scan wasn't sitting in their cut rate computer system I probably would've tried to diffuse the situation and spend some money to smooth things over, but under those circumstances I'm cutting bait immediately.

If they need to scan I simply leave without giving them my ID. Unacceptable in my book. Only one club in the volusia FL area does that and I stopped going there many years ago. None of the clubs i’m familiar with in tri county tampa area do it? If anyone knows otherwise let us all know.

One bar that I frequent in a beach area said that they do it as part of a group of bars to spot people who have caused problems in other bars before they even come in. They also think they are protecting themselves in the event of illegal activities the someone may commit while in the bar. They could then use the pictures to identify who the person who caused the problem was. The bar I frequented had a scanner that could only scan ID cards so I used to bring my passport so they couldn't scan me. Of all the bouncers that worked at that bar, only one asked for it and he was just being a rule following dick even though he knew me.

I've seen a couple of strip clubs do the scans, Shotgun Willies in Denver comes to mind. They had a patron murder a door guy in the past so I guess I can see them doing that. I don't like it but I don't consider it a show-stopper because I don't plan to do anything stupid in the club. I also don't care if anyone knew I was at the club at some point in the future.

I just say no

I just use my “burner” Drivers License.

....What's a "burner" Drivers License? Is that real?

Fannies in Atlanta was for a while but seems to have stopped. One night I didn’t have it because a wallet compartment slid out at the hotel. The guy didn’t let me in despite calling me by my name and being 42. I had never been involved in any incidents or even management involved disagreements. Fortunately that guy doesn’t seem to be working the door and that practice has stopped.

@tuskular

“Burner Driver’s License” are an American tradition, also known as Fake ID’s that underage teenagers, in high school, would get in order to buy alcohol or get access to clubs serving alcohol.

Some times teenagers would “borrow” an DL from an “adult” “relative” that looks like them close enough.

You can see it on n many movies (Superbad) and tv shows (Happy Days) a very good example of how some of these “Burner” identities do work is in an episode of the Simpsons; About Appu The American, wee Appu get his “Legal” documents from Fat Tony.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=38UZWDQBeV…

You can get a burner DL from many people on the other side of the tracks if you know I mean, and I think everyone knows what I mean.

oh... I mean, I'm in my 30s so this isn't a problem. I don't like it when they scan your card.

It's been discussed several times recently. I don't like it, I'll mostly avoid clubs that do it but not a 100% deal breaker.

It's a popular component of many bar management packages. They're integrated point of sale, inventory management, scheduling, various other functions. The value they present to customers is always safety, the value to club owners is largely data driven. It tells management exactly what time people are arriving, how old they are, where they're from, their gender. If the customer pays with a CC it can correlate that data. They can store and correlate that data with other data to make decisions.

I don't like it because I feel like the security on those devices is horrible and there is too much potential for misuse of the data.

Yaah I don't like it either - not sure how it would affect my SCing since out of the 40+ clubs in SoFlo the only one that I've visited that scanned IDs was Showgirls in South Miami (not sure if they are still doing it).

In some ways it could perhaps make the club safer by perhaps keeping trouble-makers out or perhaps making them think twice about doing some shit - but OTOH I wouldn't want the club to know my identification in case things-go-sideways w/ a dancer then I can't just say fuck-it and leave.

My thought is that clubs likely mostly do it in case there is a crime at the club since these types of businesses are more prone to that - but @Dolfan made a good point w.r.t. data-gathering since "big data" is a big thing these days.

At the end of the day I'd rather not have seedy businesses like strip-clubs have personal info about me - might not be a deal-breaker depending on the club but it's not something I like.

In some instances (as Dolfan notes) it's to collect demographic data. Very often, though, it's done to discourage customers from starting trouble, especially if that trouble might be at the more extreme end.

That said, a strip club is not a place where I would assume a high level of professionalism or technical skill when it comes to managing the collection and storage of personal information. So, I won't do it.

Similar to the thread on mandatory valet, they have the right to do it, and I have the right to go elsewhere.

They do it for safety reasons. Like if you need to be kicked out...


But it goes both ways. A managers office usually has copies of girls id's and sheriff cards on a board

In south Florida I only personally know of only three clubs that do it, Monroes & Spearmint Rhino in Palm Beach & Vixens in Davie. I guess Showgirls in Cutler Ridge too (sorry Papi, I can't call that area South Miami, I don't care how many times they try to rebrand.) I've been told they do it at Hideaway, the place formerly known as Club Rain/1152, but I haven't been there yet at least partially for that reason. I pretty much stopped going to those other two for the same reason. If they were better clubs, I'd consider it. But at this point the only reason I'll go to them is if its with friends & I can't steer us to another location.

I'll tolerate it now and again when I'm traveling. None of my local clubs do it, but I wouldn't frequent a place that did. The last thing I want is software tracking the frequency of my club visits. Also, as others here have said, I am hardly confident in the quality of, and compliance by staff with, data privacy safeguards in place at a titty bar.

What Icee said. Seriously.

===> "But it goes both ways. A managers office usually has copies of girls id's and sheriff cards on a board"

And the local Starbucks has IDs and other identifying information for all of its baristas, but that's hardly the same as recording the licenses of every person who comes in to buy a latte.

Local bar/music venue does this now too. The door man said it's a group strategy to keep out bad news. A bunch.of local bars do it.

It has cleaned up a thuggish SC I sometimes visit.

Scanning drivers licenses might be to get lower insurance. It makes it safer. I do understand why people will object, but I think it makes the place safer.

Also, they might be claiming it a membership club, but just not telling you. That opens the door to anything goes back room of front room. I think it is the way of the future.

SJG


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Very nice outfit.

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What could happen...
(1) Dancer claims you did 7 songs, you did 3 and paid her, she says you owe her $140. She says she's going to sue you in small claims court. And does, it's easy. They do it for customers who live 3 states away.
(2) Club sends you mail saying "How was your visit June 5 at 8 pm"?
(3) Police investigating a crime get court order to see who visited the club.
(4) Police get court order (or the club cooperates to save their own ass), you get a ticket for frequenting a brothel/trap house.
(5) Dancer agrees to full service, as soon as you put it in she says it hurts and you pull out. She wants full payment, says she'll claim rape if you don't pay.

What kind of "trouble" can a customer cause? The club has bouncers and guns.

Are the clubs that scan licenses all extras clubs? Extras clubs are quasi-legal, they may be licensed, but not as a brothel, which they are. The owners and managers can be charged with "human trafficking", whatever that is.

Do what you want, I don't care. I'll never let them scan my license.

THe club should not release your identity info. They should have a policy on that.

And do you really want to be anonymous with your women, or do you want to spend your nights pumping loads into them in your own bed?

SJG

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Getting this onto some girls with a little more stuffings is great, and the in your face meat shot. But they have go to make a boob out or open top version, and keep the women in highheels.
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Most lingerie ads are too timid, as are the dancer photos on this site.

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SJG

For the first two, how many times do you think that's going to work? If they do it one time against someone like me who really gives no fucks about people finding out I visited a strip club, so I defend myself and post about it on social media, go viral cause its funny as shit, and and they loose a fuckton more money than the $150 or whatever you're claiming the difference is. To add insult to injury, they probably don't win unless they have proof, and are stuck with their fees or if I want to be a real dick I counter sue for my legal fees too. It's just way too high risk for them. Similar story for the next one, as soon as word gets out they're sending mailers business tanks. Even the dumbest strip club manager knows discretion is required. The next three have zero to do with the club having your license. You're on camera already, if the law wants to know who you are they can figure it out with the footage every single club has. Facial recognition isn't just for the movies anymore. Chances are the cops scanned your license plate at or near the club too.

As far as customers causing trouble, some of the scenarios you describe go can just as easy go the other way. You do 7 songs, claim and pay for 3. You try rape or otherwise sexually assult a dancer. You buy $2000 in funny money on your card and dispute the charges. You start fights. You try to walk out on your tab. You buy or sell drugs. You try to recruit dancers as a pimp or try to compete with the club by offering up girls you pimped. You get the idea, hopefully.

Again, don't get me wrong, we arrive at nearly the same conclusion. But the scenarios you're worried about are just so far beyond unlikely its mind boggling, as is your inability or refusal to see the other side of the equation. I don't like ID scanning and will generally avoid clubs that do it. Just like I don't like clubs that require valet and will generally avoid those clubs. But there's situations where I'll tolerate ID scanning and even occasionally opt for valet when it's not required.

Next up: What's with clubs photocopying your Credit Card & Drivers License? I think we might 100% agree on that one.

My FC copies cards and DLs when they're used to pay for private rooms as a way to dispute fraud/chargebacks. They shred the copies once the charge processes. Other than that, they've never scanned or even asked to see my ID.

"And do you really want to be anonymous with your women, or do you want to spend your nights pumping loads into them in your own bed?"

And you can't do both because?

Because we're all having fun wrong.

If there are two clubs that are near close in quality, and one does ID scanning and the other doesn't, I'll pick the non-ID scanning every single time, always. But if I don't have a choice (which is the case for nightshifts in this area), well, I'll tolerate the intrusiveness if that's the only way I'll get the chance to have a 23 year old wiggle around on my lap in her underwear.

I do understand the clubs' reasons for this. Be able to track down guys who skip out on their bills, guys who commit assaults in the club, etc. I'm just not willing to give up my personal information to an industry that literally has the most contempt for their customers of any I've ever seen, and is so filled with total scumbags, unless that's the only choice I have.

I don't like it, but the two best clubs here do it. It helps them to keep out customers who have records of bad behavior. I've only ever had two conflicts that could get me on a club's "no fly" list.