Strategy for OTC

here u go pawg.

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7985…

@ pawg_lover92

I will play along and comment on your discussion.

What has worked for me, for good OTC, is to build a trusting relationship with a girl, make sure she knows I am a respectful reliable gentleman, safe, clean, discreet, and fun, funny. (Think Edward (Richard Gere) from the movie Pretty Woman).

Then you can ask them if they would be interested in meeting outside and eliminate the middle man (the club) and you both get a better deal, win win situation.

My All Time Favorite Stripper, Ally, started dancing when I was going to see a Current Favorite Ariel, who didn’t do OTC.

Ally was just over 20 years, sweet, beautiful and shy. She became friendly and would seat with me while I was waiting for Ariel, would let me know if Ariel was not there, would tell the waitresses to let Ariel know I have arrived.

Once Ally was tired and fell asleep on my shoulder and thanked me for letting her sleep and rest.

One time when Ariel didn’t show up I asked Ally to go with me to the 15 minute VIP, she was so sweet and excited.

We had to wait for a “room” and she sat in my lap and we made out like teenagers. Once in the VIP we went as close as humanly possible to Full Service but didn’t do FS.

After the VIP I asked Ally if she would be interested in OTC (“would you be interested in meeting outside the club, we can have a better, more comfortable experience, and you don’t have to share money with the club?”) and gave her my number, but she said she didn’t do that.

I keep going to visit Ariel and she didn’t show up another time and I took Ally to the VIP again, and again we were so close to FS, but we didn’t have FS, however she was so nice, excited, shy and cute.

I was still visiting Ariel, on the weekends, when Ally texted me on the middle of the week to ask me if I was still interested on OTC with her, I answer of course I am.

We made an appointment, I went to pick her up near her place and we went to a small hotel and had a very nice GFE type of experience. Ally was a sweet and nice Baby Stripper.

Ally and I developed a Sugar Baby type of relationship we had OTC almost every week for more than two years.

I would pick her up on Sunday afternoon, get a nice hotel room and make love, massage each other, have room service, sometimes we would go to dinner to a nice fancy place.

She would refer to me as her fiancé to other people, her sister told me.

I have thousands of pictures of her modeling cute sexy outfits I got for her. Around Halloween she was slave princesses Leia from Star Wars, Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader, Playboy Bunny. Around Christmas a sexy miss Santa, naughty school girl.

Like I said Ally was a baby stripper when we meet, very sweet and nice, the sex got better and better because she was more comfortable and felt safe relaxed and was able to let herself go and enjoy it, I enjoyed it too, she would experience multiple orgasms and was very shy and sweet about it.

Sometimes she would spend the night and would fall a sleep with her head on my chest like the little angel she was.

She texted me one last time letting me know she was moving on and thanking me for the relationship...

She was worth every penny and every second I spent with her.

Thank you for making me remember that OTC relationship.

I'll repeat what I've already told you. Unless you love making long shot bets, never give a stripper money for anything except for what you just got or what you are about to get. They are happy to get paid to consider whatever you like forever, that's a very low-overhead business for them.

In about 15 years of clubbing, I've done non-extras/"light" extras OTC with about 10 dancers. I've been offered FS OTC, but never by any dancer that appealed to me. Many on here claim I must smell bad or something to have such poor luck. It may also be because dancers I like can reliably make $200 a week off me without doing extras or OTC. I couldn't vouch that consistency of story is rickdugan's forte. But, he seems to claim that, if you put in the hours, freely buy strippers drinks, and are capable of engaging conversation with them, you'll succeed in getting FS OTC in pretty much any club. If you find that believable, I'd try clubs he's given good reviews to, to be on the safe side. As to the quality of the information source, I put him on ignore after he took to mindlessly, incessantly accusing me of being a rapist.

if the first one-on-one conversation is going well, i casually ask if she does dances OTC. if no, i ask about her ITC dances/extras. if yes, i ask her to text her name to me.
that's as far as i pursue it ITC. i don't ask again or pressure her. the rest is negotiated via text/call (unless she wants to meet somewhere after her shift).
other results have ranged from OTC the next day to just remaining club friends.

fair warning: most are professional thieves, not professional lovers.
OTCs can present 10 times the rob opportunities as ITC encounters.

Show generosity
Frmos
Take her to the nearest mattress
Pump loads into her all night
Then she'll give you a girlfriend audition and see you again in exchange for further generosity.

Or

Haggle with her for yhe lowest amount possible then call her a rob on tuscl

😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭

Being a regular and seeing dancers OTC does take a ridiculous amount of cash. This is not an inexpensive hobby.

Wow, why hasn’t anybody asked this question before?

"but I’m thinking you need to drop ridiculous cash on these girls to even get them to consider OTC."

This is a self-defeating, baseless belief bro!

^ all members of the organization will get it for free.

Though a man of many faults, Dougster was right about one thing, "just ask". They get asked all the time. To be sure, I usually ask about ITC first, because my experience is that if they won't fuck <em>in</em> the club, they probably won't do it <em>outside</em> either, but I've met exceptions to even that.

I have definitely encountered enough girls in just the month I’ve been going where I could sense the possibility of a potential OTC encounter in certain girls. The Latina women are hard to read due to the language barrier.

"It may also be because dancers I like can reliably make $200 a week off me without doing extras or OTC."

Don't know the clubs in your area, but this is what I was thinking for some of you. Maximized returns with minimized effort isn't just a stripper thing, it's a general business principle. If I see a dancer who's OTC material I ask her about it the first time we meet. Helps set expectations because dancers have goals for developing their client base just like we've got things we're shopping for.

“If I see a dancer who's OTC material I ask her about it the first time we meet. Helps set expectations because dancers have goals for developing their client base just like we've got things we're shopping for” Definitely going to try this after two encounters especially if she remembers me. Unfortunately as men a little man makes most of our decisions and if she gets him going that’s dangerous and can lead to me shelling out cash lol

"fair warning: most are professional thieves, not professional lovers...OTCs can present 10 times the rob opportunities as ITC encounters."

I've had girls no-show, but only a few times. I've never had a girl take the time to show up somewhere and not deliver.

===> "I couldn't vouch that consistency of story is rickdugan's forte. But, he seems to claim that, if you put in the hours, freely buy strippers drinks, and are capable of engaging conversation with them, you'll succeed in getting FS OTC in pretty much any club."

Pretty much this. But individual success is going to vary based upon personal factors. That's not to say that these girls apply the same standards for p4p partners that they do in their dating lives, but IME a lot of these girls will maintain minimum standards for who they'll consider leaving the club with. If you're very old, morbidly obese, have a face like the Elephant Man, struggle to communicate with women (giving off a weird vibe in the process) or have some combination of these, you're going to struggle more with finding an OTC partner, especially in the nicer non-extras clubs.

As far as throwing large sums of cash around, this is what's called trying to force it and it often backfires. For starters you'd be cutting your own throat by making some girls fat and happy enough that they are no longer tempted by OTC cash. Also, the girls who do follow a big spender out of a club often expect a big payday OTC.

Look, there's no "paint by numbers" approach to this. Some girls are difficult to impossible to land OTC, some will fuck anyone for money and many fall on different parts of the spectrum between these two extremes. Your ability to find OTC partners who aren't also advertising on escort sites and/or fucking ITC is going to depend a lot on your ability to build rapport.

I will say that it has generally been more difficult keeping a consistent stable of OTC partners since the pandemic because the club dynamics have changed a lot, at least around here. Nowadays a lot more of these girls are P/T hobby dancers, only having themselves to support and not relying upon dancing as their primary source of income. Also, until recently, there was a large contingent of guys still spending down their excess stimulus money. None of these conditions are conducive to easy OTC with hot girls.

A couple of the girls I see now actually use me as an alternative to dancing when they need extra cash. They dance rarely and text me before deciding if they'll be going to the club. If I can see them then they don't go into the club at all, but if I can't then they'll pop into the club and work a shift. It's just a weird world right now.

Anyway, that's a long winded way of saying just play it cool and good luck.

I don't go looking for love in all the wrong places. When the time is right, I'll know it and act on it. Experience helps.

===> "To be sure, I usually ask about ITC first, because my experience is that if they won't fuck in the club, they probably won't do it outside either, but I've met exceptions to even that."

GMD, I do OTC almost exclusively with girls who DON'T fuck in the club. There has historically been a healthy contingent of girls in many clubs who don't want that stigma ITC, but are open to some side cash under the right conditions. I also visit a lot of clubs where fucking ITC is not even possible.

So Champagne Room does not guarantee that she will have sex with you?

"So Champagne Room does not guarantee that she will have sex with you?"

In case this isn't trolling, no. Spending more money does not guarantee more mileage.

^ I assumed he was trolling.

I’m a newbie, still learning the ropes. No trolling here.

I agree with what shadow said. If you come across as presumptuous that extras and OTC can be had, most dancers that I've met will take that as a dis. They will still do non-extras, ITC dances for you, but they will be more phony and standoffish. There are certainly big advantages to keeping things standoffish. But I can't feel OK about making strippers feel dissed. I'm enormously grateful that their services are available, even if not cheap.

@rickdugan: "There has historically been a healthy contingent of girls in many clubs who don't want that stigma ITC, but are open to some side cash under the right conditions."

I'll freely admit that my more recent experience (coincidentally, or not, since my ATF passed) has been in that direction as well. I now moderately often get a response that's on the order of "I'd rather not; how about somewhere else instead?" The reasons given, in addition to the "stigma" you mentioned, include increasing club strictness, and the fact that the clubs are taking more and more of the VIP fees, leaving less for the dancers. IOW, they can make more outside than in.

I still tend to ask about ITC first, as that's served me pretty well so far, and I'm a creature of habit. Given how little action I've actually gotten in a club lately, I might have to switch it up. 🤣

92 - see that you like latinas but communicating is holding you back. tip: learn some spanish basics on youtube. it could go a very long way. also helps to read some food menus too. latin food in general is just as good as the women. overall you're potentially missing out on some potentially great experiences.

I've been going mainly to higher-end non-extras clubs for the past 10 years. Almost no one is doing extras in the club, but OTC isn't hard to get. My experience is very solidly that it's been easier to get girls from non-extras clubs OTC, than from extras clubs. I have a buddy who likes to meet a stripper and take her OTC that same day, the girls he picks always come off more escorty to me, and they're OTCs are straight escort-like: go to hotel, bang, bye. I like seeing a girl a few times ITC first, I think it ups my chances with lower volume girls, may make her more open to the dinner/drinks/etc I like to start my OTCs with, but more than those, I'm pretty crazy for her by the time I get her to that first OTC, and it makes the whole OTC more fun.

"I agree with what shadow said."

Did you read what shadow said? Was it the part about knowing when time is right?

"If you come across as presumptuous that extras and OTC can be had, most dancers that I've met will take that as a dis."

You can come across as interested without making it sound like you think she's a low rent hooker. If you create obstacles for yourself when you club then it's just more to trip over. Stripping's a whole job and dancers like money. Somebody will want the cash. The key to the hobby situation is matching up your spending money with a girl you want to spend it on for services you can agree to. That's it.

Working it out over one or two visits or ten gets you to about the same place. It took two years and a global pandemic to get my ATF OTC, so I'm not saying it's always a cakewalk but it's also not rocket science.

It's really not as complicated as many would have you believe, men have been paying women to get what they want, since the beginning of time, what is really the shocking part, is there are some people that haven't figured it out.

😂

===> "It's really not as complicated as many would have you believe, men have been paying women to get what they want, since the beginning of time,"

That's a vast oversimplification 25, lol. Women are hardly selling access to their pussies en masse, for any number of reasons, and that definitely includes some strippers. Also many of us are not in places like Miami and Detroit, where a solid majority of adult entertainers are giving it up for cash.

When one is clubbing in places where this stuff is less out in the open, experience and good instincts can go a long way, including the ability to identify and avoid propositioning low probability targets. Experience also helps one learn how to: (1) feel a girl out without making her feel cheap or disposable; (2) make it as easy as possible for her to say "Yes"; and (3) limit her negative reaction if she signals disinterest in OTC.

Ever had a girl in a club scream loudly "I AM NOT A WHORE!"? In my younger years I did, in a club in the woods of Wisconsin. It was loud enough for everyone in the club to hear. You can bet that, even if there was another hot girl in the club who would otherwise have been more amenable to OTC with me, I was now too toxic to approach. In that particular club in an area as buttoned down as it back then, I'm sure that almost no girl wanted even the hint of a rumor that she was selling her pussy.

If I had better instincts back then, I never would have propositioned her to begin with. She gave off all the warning signs of a low probability target. We live and learn.

^ That's the not complicated part, I never said all women, what I said was it's been going on since the beginning of time, it's not difficult to figure out which women are interested, a five minute interaction and a reasonable read of women's reactions should be all you need to know if she's amenable or not.

@25: I think you're spoiled - most places ain't like Pompano Beach dude. Figuring out if a girl who doesn't fuck and suck ITC would be willing to go outside the club with you for that very purpose is entirely different than figuring out whether your ITC target is one of the many girls fucking and sucking in your club's timed VIP rooms.

5 Minute Man indeed, lol.

Now sure, the low probability targets can be identified and dismissed pretty quickly with some experience. But that leaves a broad swath of girls with different levels of potential receptivity, which may evolve over time with additional rapport. The only thing you're going to get by limiting yourself to 5 minutes is the lowest hanging high volume fruit.

Many of them don’t OTC because why should they when PL will keep throwing money at them without even being able to touch the pussy.

^ What makes you think you're the only guy here that manages to find willing partners away from Pompano Beach, and as many girls and clubs as there are in Pompano beach, my guess is they don't have a monopoly on willing eager young women, that are available, keep in mind the old YMMV applies all over the world, not just in well known high volume areas. Believe it or not I don't think I have as many partners as you, most of my extra curricular activities are with the same three "friends", but that's my choice, don't make the mistake of thinking it isn't available, just because I don't partake as often as you might.

"Ever had a girl in a club scream loudly 'I AM NOT A WHORE!'?"

that's actually a great way to let *all* the girls know i'm looking at once.
gonna start tipping my favs just to scream this on cue.

thanks tuscl.

Everyone can be confident they're getting the straight dope in this thread. Dudes bragging about sexual encounters are always scrupulously honest.

A key choice you are probably going to have to make is, are you comfortable with getting extras, when the stripper can only provide them when she's very drunk or otherwise very inebriated?

Yeah I definitely subscribe to them being wasted before being comfortable with it. Most women see sex differently than men. As men we could hook up with any woman were attracted to and not need a bond or connection.

===> "A key choice you are probably going to have to make is, are you comfortable with getting extras, when the stripper can only provide them when she's very drunk or otherwise very inebriated?"

No Alcohol Rapist, that is a choice that YOU make. Don't project your own horrible choices upon the rest of us as some valid consideration.

@Pawg: Are you basing your last two comments on your deep well of experience with strippers, no doubt gained from your few weeks on TUSCL posting 4 discussion threads and 30-something comments? Just curious. 😉

@25: And you had positive OTC receptivity within 5 minutes of meeting each of those three "friends?" 5 Minute Man indeed - very impressive. 😉

Were they the ones who offered? Do they work in the aforementioned high mileage clubs? Inquiring minds want to know. 😁

I could be wrong, but pawg is giving off a slight BTE whiff.

BTE 🤔

No Rick two of the three are not even familiar with the industry at all, one is an operations manager of a major store in the fashion industry, one is an attorney, I became involved with through her work in insurance litigation, specifically in the industry I retired from, and the other is a gal that was a bartender at one of the clubs long gone from Fort Lauderdale, not sure what your point is, but I couldn't be involved with a sex worker, I like to play with them and two of the three gals occasionally accompanies me to a strip club, but it's not about me being a 5 minute man, it's more about most men have the ability to find a willing partner if that's what they're after in most places. Two are more age appropriate to myself in their 40s, the youngest is 33 she's the former bartender, is that enough background on me for you to judge my behavior as appropriate or not ? BTW they are all three smoking hat babes.

I think I was pretty easy money to my fav escorts. They worked me sober. They could see it that I had appreciation and some affection towards them. Rather than contempt. Contrary to the stereotype, they were not stupid. We got to know each other some. They could tell I was this very weird, unmaterialistic, low-drama, loner type person. They seemed to understand why I didn't seek to civvie date them. Not because I had contempt/bigotry against sex workers generally, or them in particular. But because only a very strange woman would be compatible with me.

It seems plausible to me that a fair number of strippers also escort on the side, and see the club as the best way to find good escort clients. But I've only been offered FS service by strippers I found relatively unattractive.

I like that song in the club when it’s 110 degrees and sunny out.

Maybe also try getting a car at the car dealership instead of the bicycle store: tryst.link . Just a thought.

Looks like founder wants a scheme https://tryst.link .

25, you do realize that this entire thread has been about arranging p4p OTC with young strippers, no? Civilian interactions are a completely different ballgame. This whole time you've been plopping in these random comments when you're not even talking about the same thing the rest of us are. I'm truly glad you're having fun and all, but you're comparing apples and bananas.

You should go on tryst.link if you’re trying to have fun OTC. I don’t think it’s worth the hassle of trying to get certain girls otc for a price they can make ITC. Escorts are down to meet at your house or hotel at a rate I think is more affordable than strippers at the club

otc from the clubs is actually my plan b entertainment while waiting for any nearby thin, attractive tryst girls to post.

^This most of the women on Tryst in my area have wrinkles and not attractive at all

Why would I want a high volume girl advertising on a website when I can get a low volume one who doesn't behave like a pro because she doesn't think of herself as one? Boys there is a world of difference between a girl who fucks for a living and one who does it for side cash. Yes landing strippers is definitely more complicated, but nothing worthwhile is easy.

i'll take either. whatever's in my path.
they're all just cum dumpsters with a pretty face to me.

@pawg_lover yes where I'm at there a very attractive strippers, but not found any escort who appeal to me. For some reason escorting seems to be a serious option only in fairly large cities. Unfortunately, I think in places where escorting is effectively unavailable, de facto escorts working as strippers are also very, very hard to find.

" yes where I'm at there a very attractive strippers, but not found any escort who appeal to me"

Even in bigger areas, escorts as a whole aren't as attractive as a hot stripper. Don't get me wrong, there are escorts who are attractive as the hottest strippers, but those are mostly high-end escorts, in a totally different class of escorts. Other than those, most escort pics that look as good as a top stripper, are not nearly so hot in real life.

All of that is irrelevant, though. OTC is a completely different experience than seeing an escort. If your OTCs are like seeing an escort, it just doesn't make sense to me to keep doing OTCs -- worst of all worlds, stripper reliability + escort professionalism. Even if escorts were as attractive as strippers, escort sessions don't excite me. OTC does; totally different beast

@RD
I goer very well what this thread is about, and I don’t agree that there is such a high bar to arranging OTC it’s really not rocket science and if you’re reasonably decent looking and normal intelligence it won’t take very long to be able to tell if you’re going to be able to score an OTC with any given stripper. There’s usually a few easy tells which you can see after a few minutes and a drink or two.

"Look, there's no "paint by numbers" approach to this. Some girls are difficult to impossible to land OTC, some will fuck anyone for money and many fall on different parts of the spectrum between these two extremes."

^ This. You have to use a strategy that takes into account your wants and those of the partner your interested in. A little common sense is required. Wining and dining a girl who's comfortable fucking any dude who's got the cash is a waste of time. Just ask her. Bluntly asking a girl who's intentionally made a decision to work in a club where extras are next to non-existent is likely to result in an unfavorable result. You'll have to build a rapport by hanging out, having drinks or sharing a meal ITC, probably a few times.

And similarly, the spectrum on area customs and customer desires and expectations are equally as wide and you have to tailor your approach to suit. Obviously in south Florida we've got clubs where it's safe to assume every girl in there is comfortable with extras, or at least is used to being asked about them. If a girl doesn't want that, she'll be at a club where that's not common. Some areas aren't like south Florida where girls can choose between club types, so it may be less obvious which type of girl you're dealing with up front. You'll have to feel her out a bit.

I find areas to agree with everyone 🤣 I agree, firstly, with twenty five -- getting OTC is not, in fact, rocket science. That doesn't mean that there isn't some basic, non-rocket-science knowledge and strategy you can use, that will drastically increase your chances of having a great OTC. Minor example: how to best negotiate to get the pricepoint you want. Minor example: if you ask and she says "maybe, I need to get more comfortable" can you actually transition that to a yes? Minor example: should you or she negotiate for time in advance?

I have said many times, I think negotiating for time in advance is monumentally stupid -- and if SHE tries to negotiate for time in advance, it means she has an escort-like OTC model, so fire her immediately and move on. I personally have experienced the "maybe, I need to get to know you better" response from strippers, and had amazing OTC a few weeks later after seeing her a couple more times -- but we also know some strippers have no intention of OTC and use this as a delaying tactic. The strategy here isn't rocket science -- see her a couple more times, ask her again, move on if she demurs.

There are lots of guys reporting terrible, escort-like OTCs, or totally overpaying, or blowing it and having a low-volume OTC girl reject him because he didn't invest a tiny bit in making her feel safe. None of this is rocket science -- but there are ways to play this to increase your chances of getting an OTC with a low volume girl, decrease your chances of getting a terrible escort-like OTC, increase your chances of paying a pricepoint you're comfortable with, increase your chances of having a mind-blowingly fun OTC that you can repeat into the future. A guy who doesn't apply any of this might still get OTCs with escort-like strippers, or might get lucky and find a great low-volume OTC girl and just press her buttons right. But I'd rather stack the deck in my favor to have mind-blowingly fun OTCs at an affordable price, even with harder-to-get girls.

@RD
One thing I’d make a bet on, no matter how well you think you know her you’ll never really know whether or not she’s high mileage, some you’d think maybe, but you’ll really never know, actually some of those low key UTR gals that you think are semi exclusive will surprise you.

Sorry, TLDR: the fact that a clueless guy could wander through a stripclub and eventually get an escort-like overpriced OTC with a high volume OTC girl (IOW, no knowledge required), doesn't also mean some basic knowledge and strategy won't increase your chances of having mind-blowing OTCs with lower-volume girls at a reasonable pricepoint.

Low volume hooker in a strip club is an oxymoron. But you just tell yourself she is to make you feel special for paying a hoe 🤡

Dumb old joke: a little boy and girl are playing together. The boy pulls down his pants and says "bet you wish you had one of these. The girl pulls down her pants and says "my mom says with one of these I can get as many of those as I want".

Let's not forget who's in the driver's seat with this. If you can talk a sex worker into doing stuff she wasn't already planning on doing, why not become a pimp full time? If/when it's available, she'll probably offer it soon enough. If she waits for you to ask, it's probably to have an advantage in negotiations. and she will drive a hard bargain.

Illbaicnl, how many stupid things are you going to say in a single thread? Just curious. 😉

Desert Scrub likes Kool......I'm in Vegas next week, and have a goal to get a dance to "Fresh."

The best approach is to identify the one you want to be waking up in the mornings with, and then go after her and make her feel that in her bones.

SJG


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While lying next to my current favorite in my king size bed we discussed this topic. I remembered getting shot down the first time I asked a dancer to come to my hotel room. That was back around 1991 in a club where I got my very first lap dance. She simply said "I don't know you well enough". Then I asked her if she remembered the first time we discussed meeting OTC. That was back in 2019 and neither of us could remember any details.

What's the biggest lie told in strip clubs? Later. PLs about a dance, strippers about OTC.

PAWG in my experiences it's very simple in terms of strategy. Two approaches. Either just ask. Or treat her like a civvie and let happen naturally over time and don't link the money directly to the act all the time (maybe the first time) so she doesn't feel like a prostitute. And don't take rejection personally. I prefer the second approach. Treat her like you met her in a normal bar and over a few visits make it clear you'd like to see her intimately outside the club and you value her time to the tune of $XXX. Whatever that is.

Of course once I was so drunk I told a dancer I'd give her the best two minutes of her life for $300 because we were hitting it off so we'll. Humor wasn't enough. She promptly instructed me to do something to myself anatomically challenging. Remove your ego and enjoy the ride

I avoid sex workers who get grumpy or try to guilt trip you when you politely suggest you are interested in something outside their boundaries. Means she's either carny, high drama, or both. But humans be stereotyping, so she will be more guarded with you if you ask for extras "too quickly". I play it safe, and wait for signals as to what she's cool with. Some dancers will always be guarded with customers, can't say I blame them. But, doesn't mean the dances won't be worth it, at least to me.

"Most people say the best approach is to become a regular but I’m thinking you need to drop ridiculous cash on these girls to even get them to consider OTC."

nah. just some groundwork.
couple of LDs that pass the ROB test. then one or two VIPs to get her used to the cash.
by now i've gotten the best i'm gonna get out of her itc.
make the otc offer, tell her it's always good, and move on.
when she asks 'why not more vips', tell her she's 'graduated' to otc.

nothing wrong with still getting a couple LDs with her now and then to stay club friends.

@Daily_Grind idk man. I would hate to drop VIP money and find out she doesn’t even do ITC. The girl I’m looking at here is saying 300 plus the price of Chsmpagne room which is $300.

the shortcut is just asking how much they personally get for a VIP (net, after the club cut), and double it for the otc offer. may have to ask around to get a straight answer.
just spend enough time and money to let them think you'll be a safe dependable regular.
then gravitate towards other dancers with her knowing the offer's on the table.
rinse and repeat.

$600 is in the ballpark of what a popular escort would ask for.

Sounds like I need to hold off on smaller trips until I’m ready to splurge on VIP. Because imo LD do nothing but tease me and aren’t fulfilling.

Get a couple of dances to test the water. Show an interest in her and make her feel comfortable. Just casually mention that a lot of girls in the club have asked if I was interested in OTC. And then say you think they aren't making too much money ITC and you would do an OTC only if the right girl came along. Wait for her response.

I just tell them 3 inches looks bigger in a well lit hotel room. Gets 'em wet every time...

You have to pick the one you like and let her know it. Never treat her like a prostitute.

ANd if possible find an FS-ITC club and do her in the back room.

And always always try for a front room feel up and make out session with the one you want.

SJG

this girl's voice is amazing
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My experiences are of limited relevance to most on here, since I've only done OTC with no/"light" extras. OTC almost always happened after many weeks of spending $200 - 300 on her pretty much every week. I can only remember one case where I asked, usually it was offered without asking. In one case, it was offered after I described my disappointing experiences with a sugaring website. When one dancer I was doing OTC with was moving away, she played OTC matchmaker between me and one of her (very hot) friends.

I got tired of reading all the comments ....... but just try SA. SOOOOOO much easier

SA?

One thing I'll say, based on what dancers have told me about other PLs asking them for extras/OTC: don't threaten to stop being her customer without OTC/extras, unless you really mean it. She'll never stop being disgusted with you after that. I've seen this with strippers who have some mild affection for there more preferred customers.

SA = seeking arrangements I think (sugaring website).

===> "One thing I'll say, based on what dancers have told me about other PLs asking them for extras/OTC: don't threaten to stop being her customer without OTC/extras, unless you really mean it. She'll never stop being disgusted with you after that."

Better still, don't threaten at all. Many dancers I know would be disgusted by the mere threat. Just let her know that you really like her, but that you normally reserve your serious spending for girls with whom you have fuller engagement. Then be true to your word and redirect your spending elsewhere.

I've lost track of how many times I've done this dance, lol. Too many guys fuck this up because they get angry and dramatic. I'm always nice and calm about it. She may be temporarily upset that I want more than she is willing to give (meaning she won't agree to meet OTC), but when done the right way the door remains open for her to reconsider and a fair % eventually do.

But when I'm hunting a girl who is clearly reluctant to go OTC, I find it best not to be running the same game on other girls in the same club at the same time, especially if the club is small. IME when they do reconsider, it often comes fairly quick, especially if I've been visiting them for a while. I've always found it helpful for her to believe that she's the one I specifically want. I don't play the "try to make her jealous" game ITC, but instead just spend more time at another club in my rotation.

All of this of course assumes that your money means enough to her to reconsider in the first place. That's going to depend on a whole host of factors, including how much you're spending and how good things are for her in the club.

What kind of an idiot makes any kind of threats when trying to get a gal to see him in an uncontrolled environment, one thing I can say with great certainty, if a normal gal feels threatened in any way, she ain’t meeting you anywhere anytime.

I experienced OTC with two different dancers. The first was an older dancer who brought up doing "special" OTC shows for me. I spent quite a bit on her for multiple meetings but we never went all the way. I questioned her a few times and she always gave me the response "It will happen when it happens". A few times over the years I knew her I would stop communication then always fall back in for a few months. Eventually I just cut her off altogether.

More recent I had met a younger dancer and was really enjoying her company ITC. After being a somewhat regular of hers I
decided to ask her about OTC. She responded a little hesitantly yes, but said she never did OTC before. After a few weeks of having no date set I kind of gave up on it and took a break from her club. But eventually went back and decided to lay off asking and just told her I liked our ITC relationship.

Finally as a gift to me she decided to go through with OTC and we had a blast. I tried to continue our OTC fun planning to make her a sugar baby but she couldn't handle it and emotionally broke down saying she couldn't keep doing OTC stuff. I have an idea why, and it sucks because we had a good thing going but I get it. I still see her when I go to the club. I just go a lot less.

As others have said for me anyways it was not a cheap hobby and I rather just see an escort if I want to fuck. There are plenty of solid providers who can give you a solid GFE and it would cost as much as a good trip to strip club would.

Never piss them off if they say no, but be honest you'll be spending the bankroll elsewhere. It's amazing how often she will hook you up with another OTC candidate if she like you. Or she changes her mind and eventually says yes when her car breaks down

good point. i even offer finder's fees to certain strippers and staff for otc hookups.

Yeah Daily Grind remember these women all talk and they are all concerned about safety. So in the dressing room if one tells another "he's a nice guy" or "he was a fun safe date last night" it goes a long way.

Of course I have some built in advantages so to speak. They usually say, "yeah you can even watch TV because his 3 inches when he's behind you is barely a distraction."

I get no respect. No respect at all.

I wish Dangerfield would have done an entire night on his ATF...

If her car broke down, I'd try to do more dances within her normal boundaries. At what point do you draw the line, where it's rape? Suppose you knew her pimp/boyfriend threatened to beat her up if she didn't make more money? Would that still not be rape, because the threat to her isn't coming from you?

Not a hypothetical for me, I've often had favs in a $ bind over the years. Just got more dances, didn't pressure them for more extras.

"car broke down/pimp threatened me"

just more lies from the rob stripper that cried wolf.
only translates to 'im in the mood to fuck for more money tonite'.