Despite the protest, this does not mean abortions are illegal. It means that red states can regulate abortion and establish some limits. In blue states, nothing changes.
Abortion activists have promised a night of rage. They’ve been planning that for weeks. Catholic Churches are among the targets.
This is why we desperately need an equal rights amendment.
The court is acting politically not legally. Which is legal.... but congress can also impeach Supreme Court justices... the right wing ideologues attacking our rights should be impeached
Procedurally, this is the right call. Roe v. Wade was not well-decided on constitutional grounds.
Functionally, it means women in some states will be headed to the nearest blue state (rather than Canada) or the back alley (as long as there are physical or social consequences to pregnancy). I don't expect the total number of abortions to change much.
Republicans could have won in November but this will make them lose. Banning abortion opens the door to other ways of attacking reproductive rights.
By the time November rolls around, people in California, New York, Illinois, and all the other blue states will realize this ruling has zero impact on their ability to get an abortion. Meanwhile, I expect gas will still cost $5.
Roe v wade was a good decision. A fetus isn't a person it's a part of her body. The only argument against that is religious... we still have nominal separation of church and state
I hope yall remember that whore mongering isn't very christian
@icee, no one mentioning religion or personhood of the fetus here. You're barking up the wrong tree.
Anyways, I'm not going to argue with you, because you have repeatedly misrepresented my position on the issue. I expect you to do so again in response to this.
And, the red states will pass abortion laws confirming that it is legal in the first 15 weeks. Upon reflection, most abortion advocates in red states will realize this is a reasonable compromise.
Plus, who knows, maybe some of those welfare mothers will start using contraception.
@heaving, exactly. For a long time, the left only had the Supreme Court, so they relied on it in place of Congress. Now it's 6-3 conservative. Live by the court, die by the court. I wonder why Dems didn't push for this when they had 60 Senators.
I agree that the Texas model of ratting out your neighbor is batshit crazy Stasi sort of shit. I don't want any laws enforced that way.
My views on the abortion issue are closest to repressive Christian theocratic countries like France and Sweden.
Not sure why some of our liberal brethren are gloating that this will win them 2022. This outcome has been baked into polls for a month now. A lot more women are concerned about feeding their kids than aborting them. And women of all ages and childbearing choices have to eat, drive, and rent. Their only hope is that the GOP runs freak show candidates for the Senate (which we're doing a fair job of).
This ruling could make more people aware of the concept of federalism. That’s a good thing. Federalism gives more freedom to each state to pass laws that are popular with its citizens.
California wants abortion on demand, big government, everyone masked, and high taxes. You got it.
Florida wants limits on abortion, smaller government, no masks, and low taxes. Super !
@Tetradon
Not sure why some of our liberal brethren are gloating that this will win them 2022.<<<<
I don't know that this will win in November, and being against government involvement in issues like this, is far from liberal, this is the nanny state at work, along with a heavy handed dose of religious involvement, separation of church and state is only a concept when you agree with them.
@25, while "pro-choice" doesn't automatically equal "liberal" (I'm conservative and pro-choice, see above, for one), a liberal is MUCH more likely to be pro-choice than a conservative. I've also seen a lot less religious involvement in this round of the abortion debate. Trump Republicans are less religious than older-school Republicans.
You said the path to winning in November got a lot more complicated. I'm saying it will be about the 10th most important issue on the ballot.
What this ruling does is allow politically motivated judges to give right wing nut jobs a green light to limit or take away women's reproductive rights and to criminalize said rights.
That's what people will see. And what the republican legacy will be come election time
Please remember whore mongering is anti Christian too .
The next Constitutional issue working it’s way to the court would strip the EPA of the ability to regulate carbon dioxide since legislation never gave them that power. A ruling on that would be more consequential than the Roe decision.
^ this is why I’ve kind of backed away from getting involved in the political threads here, mainly because I resent how people like to mischaracterize the opinions of those they disagree with, I don’t find a correlation between abortion stances and your opinions about other things and, these threads are usually taken down a rabbit hole by one of our friends either they get flustered and so they change the topic or they get annoyed that it’s not all about them.
The issue of this being a "Nanny State issue" is crazy given the liberals are pushing for medicare for all. Assumoing that passes then "healthcare" that I pay for is providing welfare moms birth control by abortion. I'm fine giving them birth control, I'm not fine killing babies. As for Rape, Incest, Threat to Mom's life by all means allow the abortion. We should have exceptions to rules, NOT rules for exceptions. My Body My choice doesnt hold water when you are using MY MONEY
@Tetradon BTW the election did just get more complicated we’ll find out how important this issue is in November, we won’t know for sure until the ballots are counted the actual impact if it’s first or tenth, my own take is if inflation is not getting better that will be issue number one but shit happens all the time, the world spins round and round who can say with certainty what the agenda issue will be 90 days from now.
@25, of course no one knows for certain, and even when the ballots are counted, we won't know what went through every voter's mind.
But look at the number of unwanted pregnancies every year, compared to the number of people affected by the economy, fuel prices, crime, supply chain issues and shortages, opioid-related deaths, and you'll see a yawning chasm.
Tetradon is out of touch with reality as usual and mark is in full tinfoil hat mode as usual. Now all we need is papi chulo gloating how blacks won't get abortions now and skibum saying how he can't wait for minorities to be born so he can kill them. This thread is inane as all political threads here.
For a dose of reality go to a strip club and gloat about taking away reproductive rights. See what the dancers will say. But you won't and some like subramam and rickdugan will pretend they agree
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Roe v. wade was a politically motivated decision made by harry Blackmun, who believes the Constitution, despite explicitly stating the only two ways it can be changed, can actually be changed by Judges who want to expand it, because 'it is a living entity that must change as society changes". Of course, this would beg the question of whether or not the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments would actually ban slavery if society changed, and people began to believe slavery is a good idea again. Judges could theoretically create a right out of thin air, such as the right to abortion, because society demanded it. That ensures that no one has rights. Roe v. Wade violated the 10th amendment, as does the Court's ruling on gay marriage, which is also a state's issue. I just read that 33% of generation z women identify as prolife, so I am not sure this has the impact the terrorists on the left think it will. We Americans yell a lot, but at the end we vote pocketbook. Reagan being anti-abotion was supposed to give carter the huge edge too....
Icee by the way, I hope your life sucks as much as I imagine it sucks, but Ia bet it is worse. If you want to get rich buy coat hanger stock ....asshole. In any even dinner out, the casino, poker, dinner, golf and strip club this weekend. The recession is fucking klilling me. Hey! Speaking of killing; it's no longer a right
The Constitution has ammendments. Had the equal rights amendment been passed this wouldn't be a problem.
===> "You said the path to winning in November got a lot more complicated. I'm saying it will be about the 10th most important issue on the ballot."
I don't see this swinging anything towards the Dems. Some wingnuts out there seem to believe that there is some consensus view out there among women that abortion should be legal, but that is not the case. There is a sizable contingent of women, especially mothers, who are staunchly pro-life.
When the dust settles, the states where baby killers desire to continue slaughtering babies will have that right and the states in which baby killing is seen as bad will limit it. By November, once the realities sink in and the mania subsides, I don't think that many people will see this as a top political issue.
Clarence Thomas, concurring: "in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold ( contraception), Lawrence ( Sodomy), and Obergefell ( same sex marriage).”
Wow. More shocking rulings to come ?
The constitution establishes a process for changing laws that assures they reflect the will of the people, not just the bias of one judge. That principle shifted over the last hundred years to give more power to judges. That power may be shifting back to the people, through their representatives.
It's about reproductive rights. And yeah the vast majority of Americans believes in them.
Rick following your pretend ethics. Prostitution is wrong too
My thoughts
-abortion that’s legal up the day of birth in my state, that’s is unbelievably extreme. And be able to be performed by non doctors.
-the argument that if your daughter got a surprise pregnant YOU would be looking at your options. 100% agree with that
-Roe v Wade had an impact on crime a generation after came into effect, less of it. Many abortions are going to be of future extremely violent gangbangers, you just have to accept that fact. And that’s JUST what we need more of hooray! Oh can’t wait for that. More children raising children isn’t the answer for this country right now. No father in the household. We will have to now deal with more of these assholes for fucking decades now.
-We do not want responsible people being out outbred by irresponsible, low iq, zero inhibition types, just a horrible dysgenic effect on society. This country doesn’t need that shit. Future female lawyer she’s on birth control, she has protected, safe sex, she thinking about adopting actually. Meanwhile welfare queen waste of fucking shit keeps shitting out future shitbirds. This happens anyway, we don’t need more of it though. Get with the fucking program America. Then we all wonder why our neighborhood/town/city/state wasn’t like it was back in the day.
So the racist misogynistic dumbass whining about being too broke to afford hoes and get attention on clubs believes in eugenics .
Muddy - Totally agree, however all the massive welfare-fraud-baby-production happens in areas overwhelmingly controlled by so-called progressives, so abortion in those places will still be available, perhaps even more-so than before.
The left had gotten used to crappy lses being passed by activist-pressure vs bc it was sound law - they are now finally getting pushback and not getting their way and they can't handle not getting what they're used to getting if they pushed and threatened and intimidated hard enough.
So stop seeing hookers please. The same set of ethics you pretend to profess also opposes prostitution
Oh my god! Somebody leaked the opinion!
Maxine Waters is already on video shouting, "To HELL with the Supreme Court. We will defy them!"
Great attitude for a member of Congress.
Hope you all realize Biden tells everyone he’s a staunch, devout, and faithful practicing member of the Catholic Church when it comes time to vote him out. Separation of church and state? Jeesh. Anyway I laughed at his press meeting today at the staunch hypocrisy embedded in that man.
Tangent, but I’m a lot less offended by a catholic who supports pro choice than the catholic church engaging in a decades long, organized scheme covering up priests abusing children. The Catholic Church (of which I’m a member, non practicing, but a member) has no room to call anyone a hypocrite. Ever.
Most of Americas largest companies have announced that they will cover out of state abortions for any of their employees affected by this decision, so far most of the recognized names like Google, Meta, Amazon, Walmart, Costco, and a well known group of many others, so there’s going to be huge pushback, against this unprecedented reversal by the Court.
Scotus members can be impeached. And should be for their politically motivated decisions during the Biden administration. They're interfering with and sabotaging his policies. That's not their job. But in the the it'll hurt Republicans. Americans support gun laws and reproductive rights and resent doing away with things like the eviction moratorium
Icee, while I agree with those political positions, your faith in the attention spans of voters is unrealistically optimistic.
"Scotus members can be impeached. And should be for their politically motivated decisions during the Biden administration. They're interfering with and sabotaging his policies."
Someone doesn't understand checks and balances.
Cope harder.
Jimmy they'll be brought up again before elections. These are all things that will have real life repercussions for many people by the elections.
Tetradon. A republican scotus pushing republican politics is an impeachable offense. These judges lied under oath about their intent on overturning roe v wade and planned parenthood v Casey.
I predict this will have zero impact in 2024. State level candidates will need to clearly state their stance and intentions, but they should. The only thing this ruling does is to return this issue to the states to decide for themselves. This was 100% the right call, and a win for state's rights.
It has to be made clear bigotry has no place in America.
And of course this will impact elections. You have to be retarded to think it won't
FWIW, during the Middle Ages, the Roman Catholic Church did not really have a stand against contraception or a very restrictive view on abortion.
It followed the Thomas Aquinas doctrine which said early abortion was okay, and really contraception was too. It was not that much different from Roe v Wade.
It was after the massacre of the Cathar is the South of France that the church changed its position to the extreme Augustinian views.
In my opinion the real rub with the Cathars was that they were using methods of contraception and abortion. They looked at reproduction as a kind of an error, but they did not really see sex as sinful.
Augustine on the other hand is beyond parody. Read his Confessions if you want to understand him.
SJG
"Tetradon. A republican scotus pushing republican politics is an impeachable offense."
Good fucking Lord you are stupid. Every supreme court justice everywhere has pushed their politics.
Cope even harder.
FWIW, I think that these Trigger Laws are Unconstitutional. If states want to change their laws then they need to submit the new legislation and vote to approve it and have the Governor sign it. If they are sure of what they want, that could be done within 1hr.
But no, I don't think they can make it so their law automatically changes triggered by SCOTUS.
SJG
One things is for sure now, I would not want to be a Republican on a ballot in November.
Republicans are going to get eaten alive!
SJG
^^ yeah okay.
^^ People can't afford gas for their car or food for their stomach... and they're going to vote for higher gas and food prices because they're mad about Roe v Wade.
FWIW, abortion rights in CA are already as strong as a state could make them. They are not at risk.
Now Gavin and the Democrats could amend the State Constitution so it says whatever they want it to. And this is fine, but under state law there is already no risk.
SJG
“Functionally, it means women in some states will be headed to the nearest blue state (rather than Canada) or the back alley“
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Why isn’t the same argument applied to gun control. The left believes that if guns are made illegal all the school shootings and gang murders are going to disappear. Seems using the same line of thought as back alley abortions, won’t people still find away to get guns? Some how the left misses this. Outlaws are still going to find away. Gee, what a novel concept
"The left believes that if guns are made illegal all the school shootings and gang murders are going to disappear. "
No one believes this, there will always be guns and gun crimes. But generally it is believed that sensible gun restrictions will improve the situation.
Mostly it is in the Red States that politicians want to use outlawing abortion to give themselves a reason to exist, a reason for people to send them money.
SJG
^ The Right does not really care how many abortions there are. They only care about drawing attention to themselves by screaming about it.
SJG
^ They don't care how many abortions there are because they don't care what happens after birth. If they really wanted to reduce abortions they would be passing out contraceptives on sidewalks.
^ Generally the Right has been in favor of abortion, even wanting to compel it.
SJG
Rwpublikkkans won't do shit about food or gas prices. Tehyve refused any legislation to help people .
You fucking bigots are out of touch with reality.
Sick fuck pretend conservatives pretending to be pilara of the community while trolling the speediest clubs for cheap hookera. You deserve robs and worse.
It is exceedingly hypocritical that these guy are fucking strippers while at the same time opposing reproductive choice and supporting laws which criminalize women.
SJG
And Clarence Thomas is what Malcolm x would call a white man's nigger.
^^ really, and you echo his sentiments like it was present day comments? Wtf! I guess you side with the Supreme Court that believes in the original written words of our constitution as permanent doctrine, too. I mean as long as you’re being consistent with your thoughts.
Clarence Thomas proved that back during his confirmation hearings, with Joe Biden presiding.
SJG
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===> "It is exceedingly hypocritical that these guy are fucking strippers while at the same time opposing reproductive choice and supporting laws which criminalize women."
WTF does fucking strippers have to do with whether it's OK to kill babies? Sorry but I fail to see the hypocrisy involved.
I don’t think Mark’s original post beginning this thread is accurate. Every state regulates abortions at least to some extent. This ruling allows states to implement a complete ban on abortions. Some states will go there (or already have), some states will greatly restrict but not eliminate access in all cases, and some won’t change their regulatory framework.
There were apparently some old abortion laws on the books that were superseded by Roe 50 years ago. With the overturning of Roe, these old laws again were relevant. In most cases, I assume there will be a legislative move to replace the old ban with something like a 12 week window. In the meantime, chaos.
My take: The majority of women complaining haven't gotten laid in 10 years. Let's keep it moving.
*I dont have a strong case for either side. I just find it funny that in today's social media age and dropping fertility rates that this is such a hot topic. I say leave it to the people who are able to procreate and love raw sex to debate about it. Although I did have a condom break recently so perhaps I should pay more attention to this....
The left goes from not being able to define what a woman is (recent SCOTUS nominee) to "this is a war on women"; and they even do it within the same sentence (analogous to Brandon and Pelosi proudly touting their Catholicism and in the next sentence saying it's ok to end human life)
The same set of ethics ie Christianity that makes you oppose abortion should make you oppose prostitution. But you just pretend to ignore that. It's all about controlling women.
===> "The same set of ethics ie Christianity that makes you oppose abortion should make you oppose prostitution. But you just pretend to ignore that. It's all about controlling women."
The fallacy in your thinking is that opposition to abortion is by default a religious issue. For many it has nothing to do with religion, but instead is simply about not killing babies.
Calling a fetus a baby is a purely religious argument
^ If you were a parent you'd know differently.
It's like calling an egg a chicken
Maybe if leftists progs hadn’t pushed their agenda so hard the past 2 years the right wouldn’t have had to play the big card.
Let’s start with letting a man swim against women
As such devout family men. Maybe you shouldn't cheat on your children's mothers with hookers. Spending money on prostitutes instead if your families.
I'm making rounds at the stripper hoe clubs. No one is happy waking up to less rights than their grandmas and their bodies more regulated by the gov than guns
Clarence Thomas just dropped the other shoe, he said the silent part out loud, he expressed a desire to revisit gay marriage, and LGBTQ rights, I stand by my statements that the election just became a lot more complicated, and I don't believe it's a slam dunk for Republicans any more.
Yes I agree, based on the huge protest I just saw on TV. Right in front of the State House in Boston were people carrying signs, chanting and all such to things. Had to be almost 60 people there. The people who focus on this were already never voting republican. By the way, people who didn't read the opinion focus on what Thomas said and not the opinion which specifically says it's abortion related only.
Given the habits and vices of the guys on this site, I bet that there's a larger-than-average cohort of TUSCL users who have been thankful to have had Roe v. Wade in place after they made a bad decision with a dancer, a sugar baby, or any other woman who didn't have her contraception sorted out.
So... there's that.
Also, the users here should be wary of laws being created or stripped away by activists motivated by conservative Christian morality. Clarence Thomas has already signaled in his dissent for this case that the courts should now go after everything from same-sex marriage to access to contraception (including Plan B). It's not like he's a loner with these opinions. He's just the tip of the spear. The same single-minded people who have targeted abortion law for decades will to turn their moral imperative toward other targets.
That could, in some places, mean more restrictive rules and ordinances against strip clubs. Going after strip clubs is a soft target in any political arena, and it just got softer. You're out of your mind if you think the prime movers behind this effort to repeal Roe v. Wade have any love for sex work in any form (at least not that they share publicly...).
No one wants an abortion. No one is "pro" abortion (including me). That said, I think that women should have safe access to the procedure. Without it, I believe that we'll see a sizable increase in teen and other forms of unwanted pregnancies, and all of the problems that follow that trend. This is especially true in states where the they decide to limit or block access to birth control, and in places where crossing a state line to access abortion clinics means traveling hundreds of miles.
In the short term, though, I suspect that the makers of Plan B will enjoy a bump in sales.
^ I understand that the language says it’s abortion related only, but Justice Thomas statements contradict the language, the states that are passing bans that include vigilante enforcement, along with the regressive nature of this ruling, puts everyone on notice, and says that when someone shows you who they really are you should believe them. This exposes the neo Republicans as extremely authoritarian, willing to ignore precedent, and anathema to our modern society
The left thinks that the court was motivated by some misplaced sense of morality and Christianity. They are wrong.
This is about devotion to the rule of law and the doctrine of federalism which is essential to our constitution. It is the rule of law that made this country special. Nothing like this framework of law had ever existed before 1776.
The federal government has its power limited to those areas clearly defined in the constitution. All other laws are in the purview of State legislatures. That’s Federalism. It prevents the Tyranny of central government.
Also, our system of checks and balances makes sure that no branch of government can overstep its constitutional powers. Fifty years ago, the Supreme Court exceeded its authority by inventing the constitutional right to abortion. It took fifty years, but the political process of naming judges corrected this error and reflected the will of the people.
No less than Nate Silver is warning his fellow Democrats that this is what happens when you focus on short term issues, like pronouns, while Republican played the long game of putting conservatives in the Court.
He cautions Democrats that they need to start thinking in terms of a 5 or 10 year strategy of naming judges if they want to reverse the recent conservative rulings from the Court in guns and abortion.
An argument found on the internet.
A practical solution to the abortion dilemma. Thirty five countries have implemented over the counter oral contraceptives. In those countries, the demand for abortions plummeted.
There have been attempts to legislate OTC contraceptives in the US but it failed because it would have hurt Big Pharma financially. It was largely Democrat congressmen who voted against OTC.
^ Why do you hate links so much?
If SCOTUS didn't occasionally ignore precedent Brown v Topeka BD of Ed. would never have occurred. Roe v. Wade was a political decision with no basis in law. Abortion was never intended to be a federal right. Regressive is such a mindless and meaningless word.
^ Well it is regressive, that's not in dispute, half of all American's went to bed last night with one less freedom than they had when they woke yesterday morning.
Mark said "No less than Nate Silver is warning his fellow Democrats that this is what happens when you focus on short term issues, like pronouns, while Republican played the long game of putting conservatives in the Court."
Republicans really didn't play a long game with regards to SCOTUS, though. They blocked Merrick Garland at the end of Obama's second term, and then Trump had the rare opportunity to replace three Justices in one term. And, via the Twitter link you provided, Nate Silver encourages Democrats to think long term (which is smart), but does not recommend against fighting short-term battles. Also, he says nothing about pronouns.
But I am starting to see why you don't provide links.
@CMI They are giving Trump credit that he doesn't deserve, Mitch McConnell is the architect of this court , Trump in my estimation was just a useful idiot.
@mark, contraceptives are not a big money maker for pharma. Tons of them off patent and made by generic companies with thin margins. The big money is in biologics for cancer and autoimmune diseases, or rare disease drugs where you can charge a few hundred thousand a year.
Birth control should absolutely be available without a prescription and covered by insurance. This should be a slam dunk.
Before anything has even happened I’ve already read that Disney will provide coverage of travel expenses to obtain an abortion
Woke Disney really is doing everything possible to distance itself from itself from a chunk of the population
@CMI, yes the Republicans have played a long game. The Supreme Court seats are the tip of of the iceberg. Beneath the water, you had guys like McConnell and the Federalist Society pushing staunch conservative minds through in order to avoid Republican nominees going the way of Harry Blackmun.
The left has nothing equivalent...not because of pronouns but because they've neglected it. Really, if protecting abortion was that much of a priority, where was Congress when Dems had 60 senators? They should have known from Roe, Casey, Obergefell, that a right recognized by the court can easily be unrecognized.
Motorhead said "Before anything has even happened I’ve already read that Disney will provide coverage of travel expenses to obtain an abortion"
Disney...
... plus Dick's Sporting Goods, Match Inc., Bumble, Amazon, Citigroup, Salesforce, Tesla, Lyft, Yelp, JPMorgan, Alaska Airlines, Conde Nast, Goldman Sachs, Kroger, Meta, Zillow, Microsoft (though the language is a bit soft), and TikTok, so far.
United and Southwest Airlines employees fly for free. Both airlines have noted that they will continue to provide coverage for reproductive health care.
Link: usatoday.com
“It’s like calling an egg a chicken” - Icee
And the stupid Icee comment train keeps on rolling. Icee, yiu do realize that the eggs bought at the store aren’t fertilized, and nobody eats fertilized eggs? In your statement the analogy would be true if the store sold fertilized eggs and you’d take them home with an incubator before preparing them. When yiu crack the egg open it would t contain any yolk, just an unmatched little chicken for breakfast.
God your stupid, Icee!
The biggest issue I ever had with roe and abortion in general, was hearing casual comments between dancers who treated, and still will in blue states, it as the go to birth control.
Even in red states, getting contraception from the county health boards was and still is always free, all they have to do is walk in and ask for it.
However the key to ending Roe is putting it back completely into each states hands so the people of the state gets to decide, not an overwhelming blanket permission from Big Govt (ie Democrat controlled). Even the democrat hero Ginsburg said Roe was out of touch and should have been removed.
"Leaving it to the states" might sound OK, but the fact is some states are going to criminalize abortion at very early stages, as early as fertilization. Women seeking abortions and those assisting them will be treated like criminals. I can't imagine most women are fine with this degree of government control over their bodies. I thought conservatives were all about keeping the government out of our lives? It's a huge step backwards driven by religion.
This is going to be like prohibition I only hope not as violent, the volstead act is the only other time in American history when the right that you had was taken from us, I don’t imagine , this is going to last very long, and I suspect history will not look favorably on period of time. We’ll see how this goes.
Blacks represent 13% of our society. Obama united and motivated them en masse to vote for a Black President. Even Colin Powell stated he voted for Obama.
Women represent over 50% of our society. If there is ever an issue that unites and motivates them en masse, they control the electorate. But, ERA didn't do this. Hillary as the first female President also didn't do this. I seriously doubt Roe will either.
===> "I thought conservatives were all about keeping the government out of our lives? It's a huge step backwards driven by religion."
Only stupid people still think that this is driven by religion. Morality and religion often coexist, but the former is not exclusive to the latter. For many people, including a very unobservant and highly hypocritical Christian like myself, it's about not killing babies.
Yes I hate the thought of government getting involved in personal medical decisions, but at some point the baby has a competing interest that needs to be protected. Seeing silly twats crying on courthouse steps because they will no longer be able to slaughter babies (in some states) with impunity would be laughable if it wasn't so fucking tragic.
@RD This is certainly a religious issue, driven by and funded by the religious right, where do you think those protesters standing outside woman's medical clinics are coming from. who’s putting up those billboards and where do you think they’re finding volunteers to operate their phoning for dollars call centers, ?
This might drive some people out, but anyone who thinks this is going to be some gamebreaker for Democrats is mistaken when (a) most people have already self-segregated by their view on the issue, (b) Republicans will turn out on this too (they'd be pissed if SCOTUS yielded to public pressure), (c) we knew this was going to happen a month ago and polls have had time to reflect this, and (d) there are much more salient day-to-day issues facing the country right now.
This talk of women’s rights being taken away is quite ludicrous. Women still have the right to birth control. Women still have the right to have sex or abstain. Women still can have an abortion, within guidelines of their state. Women can still go outside of their state to have an abortion if needed due to their lack of early in planning. If raped, women can still abort the baby. If medical necessary, women can still get an abortion.
The only thing ones this affects are the reactive irresponsible People, who have the victim mentality that wants government to take care of them. Those people will never have control of their situations because they’re always looking for a scapegoat to blame their situation in life. All the women in my family, every one of them, said this ruling would never have affected them negatively. Why? Because they’re responsible subjec women with all of their rights intact.
^ I know exactly where those protesters come from. I've been involved in a pro-life march myself and yes, they are often organized by people with strong religious beliefs.
But those who participate in those activities and oppose abortion are far from universally religious. The country is pretty evenly split on abortion and that includes plenty of people who are not religious. Anyone who is a parent and has been through the gestational development cycle is prone to being much more opposed to abortion because they know how early that fetus looks and acts like a baby.
States that ban it also want to criminalize going to States where the medical procedure is legal and having it done there.
The same people on here who went batshit crazy about mask mandates and vaccinations "my body my choice" are now supporting regulating women's bodies and forcing unwanted pregnancies on them. It's the ultimate in misogyny.
Some of you with daughters and granddaughters should be careful what you support.
@Icee: There are plenty of women who are opposed to abortion too. My daughters wouldn't even be here today if my wife decided to kill them in the womb.
This is not a female issue as much as it is about if and when it's OK to kill a baby in the womb.
@icee, I don't even think this ban is going to reduce the number of abortion as much as one might think.
The abortion pill (mifepristone/misoprostol) and the pandemic-induced proliferation of telemedicine is going to take a lot of abortions out of the physical clinic, and there are going to be plenty of sympathetic people shipping them into Texas (for example). Just like I think 3-D printing will make gun control moot.
One study I saw estimated this ruling will reduce the number of abortions by 15%. That isn't a lot.
In the end, I think this is more about moral purity than anything else.
Tetrdon it's about personal freedoms that are being taken away. When you believe a woman's body should be more regulated than guns you have a problem.
Rickdugan. Again show your daughters you love them by not cheating on their mom with hookers not by limiting their rights and freedoms
^ Then Congress can pass a law. Where were they on this in 2008-10 when Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority? Or a Constitutional amendment. Too long, the left relied on the Supreme Court to rule on their behalf when they should have legislated through Congress.
For those who are pointing to Clarence Thomas' concurring opinion to attempt to make a slippery slope argument about other rights being rolled back, please note that his opinion was joined by NO OTHER JUSTICE. This is blatant fear mongering.
Women's bodily autonomy and personal freedoms aren't a left or right issue. They're a human rights issue. Saying that women's rights are leftist and gloating that a politically stuffed scotus rolled back women's rights is a victory shows what you think of women.
And Clarence Thomas should thank leftists for the fact that he got to marry a white woman
Babies need to have rights too, including the right to not be killed in the womb simply because they're inconvenient. There is a balance which needs to be considered.
Not all states report out abortions by race but more than half do
Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 39% of abortions
The defund the police ought to take a harder look at this first
Icee thats nonsense to equate fucking hookers to anything
"Saying that women's rights are leftist and gloating that a politically stuffed scotus rolled back women's rights is a victory shows what you think of women."
Calling women "stripper hoes," hitting them, getting them addicted to drugs, and manipulating them shows what you think of women.
===> "Morality and religion often coexist, but the former is not exclusive to the latter. For many people, including a very unobservant and highly hypocritical Christian like myself, it's about not killing babies."
@rick: Fair comment I don't disagree with. I am not in favor of late term abortions either. I'm talking more on the push to ban first trimester abortions including right up to the time of fertilization. This is certainly driven by religion, and the activist element driving much of the anti-abortion movement is religious too.
** not sure if I buy into the religious argument
If you look at the demographics of abortions the majority of women who have abortions self identify as Christians
And Roman Caholics use abortion and contraception to the same level that the rest of the populaiton does.
SJG
Ha! Two things that Icee will never have that Clarence Thompson got, being a Supreme Court Justice and marrying a white girl!
So you want the right to fuck hookers legally but don't want said hookers having reproductive rights
Some of you went bat shit crazy about mask and vaccine mandates. Your body your choice. But oppose women having the choice to end pregnancies.
You oppose gun regulations but want women's bodies and reproductive rights regulated by the government.
Let's see how much the Dems go after these "insurrectionists":
"Anarchical And Criminal Actions’: Arizona Authorities Address Rioting From Pro-Abortion Activists In State Capitol"
The Arizona Department of Public Safety (AZDPS) released a statement Saturday, responding to the riotous behavior of pro-abortion activists at the state’s Capitol building Friday night.
The protests attracted between 7,000 and 8,000 people following the Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade and began as a peaceful demonstration, according to AZDPS. However, the protest soon turned chaotic as rioters attempted to breach the state’s Capitol building and vandalized historical monuments.
“What began as a peaceful protest evolved into anarchical and criminal actions by masses of splinter groups. As groups realized the state legislature was in session, they attempted to breach the doors of the Arizona Senate and force their way into the building,” AZPDS wrote.
The rioters reportedly terrified state lawmakers who were still in the process of voting on legislation, The Daily Wire previously wrote.
“We are currently there being held hostage inside the Senate building due to members of the public trying to breach our security,” Arizona state Senator Kelly Townsend tweeted. “We smell teargas and the children of one of the members are in the office sobbing with fear. I expect a J24 committee to be created immediately.”
Video from the riot showed Arizona state troopers using tear gas to disperse the activists. “Due to the direct threat to the occupants of the Senate building and damage to the building itself, Arizona State Troopers took immediate action and utilized tactics including the deployment of field force teams and tear gas,” AZDPS explained.
Along with rioters attempting to breach the state’s Capitol building, people also vandalized statues and memorials in Wesley Bolin Plaza. AZDPS released photos of the defacement of historical monuments, showing spray painted phrases such as “Abort the Court,” “F*** SCOTUS,” “F*** GOP,” and “F*** Ducey,” in reference to Governor Doug Doucey (R-AZ).
AZDPS explained that state troopers “exercised patience and application of tactics” as some had “unwisely brought children to the protest turned unlawful assembly.” Authorities deployed tear gas only after multiple warnings to activists to clear the area.
“After the plaza was cleared, additional state buildings in the area sustained criminal damage,” AZPDS added.
Coincidence: Tonight I watched "Phoenix" 1998 starring Ray Liotta on STARZ. :15 into the film is a scene of an abortion protest in Phoenix.
If you think abortion is wrong and people who have abortions are going to go to hell,
OKAY
LET THEM
If you think abortion is wrong and you don’t want to have an abortion
OKAY
DON’T HAVE ONE
I promise that you know MORE THAN ONE PERSON who has had an abortion. I have a very small friend circle and I know 4 people who have had one—none of them are SWers, and that doesn’t include those people I know who have had one and haven’t told me.
And my points are—most women would not tell you, therefore the likelihood is that you know someone who has had an abortion, it has affected your life and your relationship with that person exactly zero.
IT AFFECTS YOU ZERO.
Men beating up their wives affects me zero as well. So does rape, murder and drug dealing. Are those all-Constitutional rights as well? I know women who have had an abortion; I am married to one, who has regretted it every day of her life ....just like "Roe" has/did.
It’s kind of like watching the TV show Cops. The people you see there treat getting arrested as an everyday occurrence. Everyone shown has been arrested before and/or has family members who have been arrested. Being arrested is just a normal part of life for them.
There are other segments of society, the majority, where they can live their whole life with none of their close friends or family ever being arrested. If anyone close to them got arrested, it would be a huge deal.
I suspect abortion is like that. There are segments of society where abortion is a normal and an expected part of life. It truly is part of their health care regimen. They assume everyone else must be as haphazard about contraception as they and their friends are.
The majority of the population are more limited in their sex partners and diligent about contraception.
Nobody has any rights, some have privileges which the state can take away using their stooges on the Supreme Court, which has become a partisan body under Alito, that's right Roberts no longer controls this court, it is now the Alito Court. Marks point about the abortion being available to every one just not every place, the states pushing trigger laws, are adding language to criminalize women that travel to get an abortion where it's legal, to become subject to prosecution when they return to their home state, y'all are the true Big Brother that George Orwell spoke about.
Pregnancy is not a state of “neutral health.” Do you guys get that….?
The availability for abortions isn’t about feelings or regret, it’s about safety and care and options. It’s up to the person to decide what’s right for them and it isn’t responsible for conception itself.
PEOPLE have to make life decisions about having sex and the consequences. If someone regrets having an abortion?? That is not BECAUSE of the availability of abortions. Family planning includes accounting for accidents and accepting, in your own brain, what your planned route will be if you get pregnant in any situation.
Your wife feeling guilty about having an abortion isn’t a reason to abolish abortions and it’s not the fault of availability of abortions.
Doing drugs doesn’t involve the actions of two people and consequences on one person so that is nowhere near a valid argument.
The far right extremists on here only believe in big government when it comes to the military. The prison industrial complex. The militarization of the police. And regulating women's bodies.
Psd are you gonna pull a Jacksonville in vegas?
Here is what determines what is a right in America.
The Founders believed that rights come from god. They listed what they believed those rights were in the Constitution. Essentially, Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
They also put a process in place for the People to amend or clarify those rights.Freedom of Speech. Religion. Bear arms. Have personal property. Due process. Etc.
Something doesn’t become a right unless the People care enough about it to amend the Constitution. An interest group can’t simply declare something a right, like a right to food, shelter, or basic income. Nor, can a judge invent a right from whole cloth, as happened to the right of privacy which justified abortion.
You want abortion to be legal ? There’s a political process for making this the case in each state.
You want abortion to be a protected right for the entire country ? There is a political process for amending the constitution to do this.
The correct process for establishing a right does not involves rioting or burning buildings.
Mark at least you admit the decision is religious in nature.
It was legal. But that legal right has been removed by people with your twisted views
If you don’t like hearing that god gave us rights, call it natural law. Certain rights are inherent as part of being human. Rights are not something granted by a ruler. Civility requires recognizing that rights cannot be taken away by government.
And, when it comes to defining what is a right, it must be done as part of a political process reflecting consensus of the People. That’s the part you are missing with regard to abortion.
It’s worth pointing out that, before Roe, there was momentum in the political process to legalize abortion in most states. The pro-abortion crowd was winning the argument. Then, bam, the Roe decision ended all that. Ruth Bader Ginsburg realized that abortion rights would have been better off if Roe had not been decided.
Separation of religion and state....
The nation can't be held hostage by religion.
Yes, Icee and I will keep pimpin hoes. We will just have to put up with more bambinos. We will have to make the hoes charge the John's more to cover the cost of child care
After speaking at a school kamala harris took a few questions from the 4th graders.. one asked her if she could explain what roe vs wade was.. she said it was what Washington had to decide before crossing the Delaware.
LOL
The party of compassion. Nancy Pelosi elbows a small child for getting in her space.
You folks enjoy your win, your path to winning in November, just got a whole lot more complicated.