Waiting for OTC

Pick her up at her home?

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Muddy you should be meeting up with homeless women, it won't make them be on time, but on the bright side when you're done it doesn't matter where you drop them off.
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When it came to new OTC dates, I’d say close to 1/3 of them fell through. I would often stay with an established reliable OTC mate rather than try a new possibly hotter one.

I would usually be free on a weekend - I would club on Friday night and schedule an OTC on Saturday night. That way if it fell through Saturday at least I had Friday to club.

They keep you waiting coz they have other trucks lined up...

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Many times I have double booked. Inevitably one is late and I see the other. 2 hrs+ later the other texts she is on the way. More than I can count on my hands this has worked. Sometimes one is a no show. A few times both are going to show and I had to prioritize one and push the other an hour or more. Once or twice I had to be the one that cancelled. I did this with regulars and new alike. Just turn the tables.

There were a few I would not do this with due to being very reliable. This works best when they are coming to your hotel room. I never give out the room number. I always say text me when you arrive and direct them to a specific side door. I meet them and escorted them in. They can’t surprise me and just show up. This practice started as a safety thing. She could not tell anyone else a room number to knock on. Btw, these are always otc dancers I met in person. Never a blind incall.

One more thing. When not double booked I would go back to the club. Often the one I know her from. I’d let her know I was doing this. Text me when you are ready. Many understood this to mean they may be replaced the longer they take. A few time they were replaced. Again, they don’t know my room#. A few times they knew the dancer I replaced them with. It works.

The second you leave the club and she is not either in the car with you or following you to the hotel, your odds drop by a certain %. For me it depends entirely on where I am and the planned OTC time.

If I'm local and we have a pre-set time, I hang out in another club. If I don't hear from her by the agreed upon time, I continue to enjoy myself. There's no universe where I don't make the best of one of my precious nights out. If things drag out much past our agreed upon time and I have an itch to scratch, I either find another friend or hit up one of my semi-reliable connects.

If I'm traveling, then invariably I'm trying to arrange OTC when the club closes, which I've found to be an optimal time for a number of girls. It's late at night so their kids are usually already asleep and, if necessary, they can simply tell anyone waiting for them that they got held up at the club. As far as where I wait, I might try to hang in there if her club has a manageable closing time, but usually I go back to my hotel and get some sleep while she finishes up.

I'm long past the point in my life of pulling an all-nighter just to get some ass. When I'm on the road in a hotel I don't set an alarm but instead tell them to call me when they are on the way, which usually wakes me up. If she doesn't call or I just don't hear it then at least I get a good night sleep, lol. I'll admit that there have been a few times over the years where I was so conked that I didn't hear my phone ring. C'est la vie. On those nights I must have needed the sleep more than the pussy.

I’m not much of an OTCer but have done it from time-to-time over-the-years – w/ time, and thru TUSCL stories, I accepted that one is better-off not counting on dancers w.r.t. OTC – w/ time I took a 40/60 go/no-go view of OTC; i.e. I assumed there was a chance she’d followed thru but a greater-chance she would be a no-show or be very-late (2 to 3 hours) – I also accepted/assumed that often times it may kinda be out of the girl’s control as many of them often have things going-on in their personal-lives to which I’m not purview-to which makes it hard for them to stick to a particular OTC date/time – w/ time my M.O. became that I would actually treat the OTC-meet as my back-up vs my primary-thing – I would go about my day/night as I would if I didn’t have OTC and if she came thru great - I would pick an activity, e.g. hitting a club; etc; which I could get out of if she did follow-thru – and at times if too-much time had passed by the time she got back to me then I would just reschedule rather than do OTC when I was no-longer in-the-mood either b/c I’d had a long-day or w/e – or if I lost interest b/f she got back to me I’d just text her and tell her another time that way she would not keep trying to get out of w/e was holding her back in order to meet me.

I agree with Ishmael. Start a fire. Stay warm.

Either that or read a book.

I don't usually wait. I did a few times when I started, but not anymore. I've probably lost out on some good times, but I know I saved myself plenty of boredom too. Since I started primarily doing OTC instead of a girl going in to work, it's been much less of a problem.

Muddy I'm starting to sense a theme in your discussion threads about getting action. You seem to feel a lot of pressure to make something happen. In recent memory you've had at least two threads where you talked about feeling pressure ITC, another where you talked about driving 8-10 hours roundtrip just to get some Boston based pussy (despite NY having millions of them) and now this thread, where you indicate a willingness to wait several hours in the mere hope of a score.

Now I'll never tell another grown man how to spend his time and money, but IME and IMHO things rarely go well in the long run when you let the tail wag the dog (pun intended). IME maximizing ROI includes things like ensuring that your "friends" understand that you value your time and being willing to walk when things aren't working out. Sometimes this even includes being willing to endure dry spells or exploring other options when conditions are unfavorable over a period of time.

Anyway just a few things to consider fwiw.

Sometimes it's more fun to fly by the seat of your pants vs doing a lot of planning - Muddy is a young guy; he should experience all there is to experience the good and the bad - a lot of times the journey/adventure/discovery is a big paet of the fun.

^ that way he'll have more stories to tell and more memories

===> "Sometimes it's more fun to fly by the seat of your pants vs doing a lot of planning..."

Papi almost everything *I* do is by the seat of my pants as well. That has nothing to do with what I posted. It's about developing better instincts, including learning to suppress urges when manic moments kick in and ultimately when it's time to cut bait and keep the powder dry for a better opportunity. The Muddy character has been on here for 4 1/2 years and written over 200 club reviews, so young or not he's hardly new at this.

^ Also as Muddy has alluded to in several threads, he is on a budget with what he can spend in a given outing. That makes it even more important for him to learn to walk when things aren't going as hoped. It's always better to save the ammo for times when targets are easier to hit.

@Muddy

I will pay along and comment on your discussion.

Remember;

“You teach people how to treat you.”

I let the girl (stripper or sugar baby or civilian in this case, but applies to people in general) know how important to me is being on time and or letting each other know in advance (this is the key to no getting upset, enough advance notice) if anything changes or we have to reschedule.

Communication is the key here so I let her know that is just good practice to text and give a realistic ETA (Estimated Time of Arrival) if one is running late, because you don’t want the other to think that one’s getting stood up.

If I am just getting to know a potential ATF and she is late more than once or not show, I know she has failed to honor basic social conventions in such a fundamental way, that I don’t believe it is worth my time to try to change her behavior.

If she doesn’t “get it” by now, and adult 18 years or older when will she ever “get it”?

I have told a long Time Favorite that; I don’t wait for doctors, lawyers, teachers, priest etc or even family members more than 15 minutes, without communication or explanation.

Now days with cellphones is even easier to let each other know (text/call) if you are going to be late.

I explain to her that having people waiting is a power trip, is disrespectful and you would be wasting their time, and time/life is the most valuable thing in this life.

I had a Long Time Favorite agreed to meet OTC, and it was going great for a couple of times.

Needless to say she failed to show up one time for OTC after a handful of good meetings, I texted her, no response, I left after 15 minutes.

Next day she gave me a lame excuse; she was sick and fell asleep at a girlfriend’s. And asked to please give her one last chance. We meet a few more times for OTC and it was OK.

Then again she was a no show, after 15 minutes I sent her a text telling her “I waited for you 15 minutes for the last time”.

I haven’t seen her after, she texted me and left me voicemail messages apologizing, trying to get together for OTC, I never responded to her.

Make sure that you let her know that you prioritize reliability above almost all other traits as you search for OTC and a lasting relationship with an ATF.

My last FAV and I will agree to meet for VIP and was never late, if something came up we would let the other know and reschedule accordingly.

One the best girls I have had the pleasure, she texted me one last time to let me know she was moving and tanked me for the good times.

They're not on time coz he's not worth their time. If his money meant enough they would be

@Rick no I walk a ton, pretty stingy to begin with, he’ll im cheap as fuck! In the rare exceptions I’ll jump on it. And certain stuff post it really ends up being a great time, maybe with some hurdles but these women are really are my type in some way, shape or form and it’s a great opportunity. When I’m off from work I like to make things happen, I only have so many off days in which to do stuff. And yeah granted not everything’s a winner but in the case of this topic, trust me if you saw this girl you’d be like yeah dude so worth it.

In instances where I've set up an OTC with a dancer who is new to me, I'll let her know that if she's late beyond a certain point then I'm going to bail. I also let her know that the chances that I'll bail go up by a lot if she's not communicating with me about being late or how late she might be. Sure, sometimes a dancer is late because she's not dependable, but sometimes the reasons are valid. So, I try to give them some wiggle room.

The other thing I do is actually bail. It's not an empty threat. And I can't say that it has eliminated dancers being late to my OTCs, but it has certainly reduced how late and how often it happens. That's about the best I can hope for, I think.

That said, I understand Muddy's point about that smokeshow hot dancer who's worth a bit of kooky stripper shit. If the dancer I'm waiting for looks <b><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/COIuIdJtIn_/… this</a></b> or <b><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/CTnDP5OCARE/… this</a></b> (or <b><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/CTmN4Hnj4VP/… this</a></b>), then I'm probably going to break some of my own rules.

===> "And yeah granted not everything’s a winner but in the case of this topic, trust me if you saw this girl you’d be like yeah dude so worth it."

No I wouldn't. No girl who I'm paying for sex is worth a 5 hour time burn while keeping me up all night. This is exactly the type of besotted thinking leads a girl to believe that it is OK to yank your chain even more in the future.

CMI had it right on the money. One bail out today sets the right tone for future encounters. Usually I shoot a very late girl a text telling her that we'll need to try another time. Sometimes I'll do it even if I intend to stay out for a while longer and haven't lined up a Plan B. If you don't manage these things from the outset then they will manage you.

I'm not really into the teaching strippers thing, I'm not doing a whole lot of repeating. Many things for me are just one and done.

Also my priorities my be little different from yours. Look I get it, you got family, kids all that stuff I totally understand you got another life to tend to, that's got to come first. But for me, I'm single no kids. I BLEED for my fucking money, so I will spend it and have great time when I am finally off, and once the bills are paid all I got to worry about is me. Only so many days on this planet I'm just trying to enjoy and it works for me. Especially when the waiting is what I would be doing if the OTC never happened in the first place (hitting some strip clubs) so didn't really divert too too much there anyway.

If however you do it gets you across the finish line, then go for it. This stuff varies based on personal preference as well how you visit strip clubs.

But, back to the point, get a tablet with a Kindle app and/or Netflix and that'll kill plenty of time while you wait.

reading a book, smoking weed, listening to music <3

I'm not an OTC guy, but no woman, no matter how hot, is worth your self-respect.

Lateness without a damn good excuse is disrespectful.

Shit, maybe that's why I'm not an OTC guy.

@Muddy: Perhaps I'm assuming foundational knowledge that you're lacking for some reason, so I guess I need to go basic 101 in explaining this. My bad. Sure "teaching" a girl who you might see again is an important part of the process, but another important reason to pivot when things go sideways is that a girl is far more likely not to show at all than to suddenly arrive 5 hours late. I kinda' thought that this went without saying, but in the future when I respond to someone like you, I may need to put aside my preconceptions and assume that you are a blank slate.

So if you really value your limited time and money that you BLEED for you'll stop doing stupid things like trying to force shit that isn't there ITC, or driving all day just to pop your load, or waiting all night in a hotel room for a girl who is more likely not to show at all rather than pop in 5 hours late. Or not, lol.

You're welcome Padawan. 😉