At what point do PL-Dancer become John-Whore, and is that a bad thing?
drewcareypnw
not the real drew carey, but I play him at strip clubs...
Where do you draw the line in your mind between "lap dance" and "I'm buying sex from a sex worker" ? Air Dance? Inside the 3-foot-rule perimeter? Deep grind? Motorboat? Hand on boob? HJ/BJ/FS? FRMO is disqualified.
Moreover, does this matter? Is paying for sex a bad thing inherently, or can it be a simple business transaction without moral implications?
Moreover, does this matter? Is paying for sex a bad thing inherently, or can it be a simple business transaction without moral implications?
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But I'd say when he forms any sort of attachment and keeping it is contingent on him paying for it.
Paying for sex isn't bad. What's bad is the exploitive nature of sex work. The myth of the happy hooker is just that. There's no escaping the dark underbelly of prostitution. Denying it is delusional.
I think a well adjusted trick is honest and doesn't sugar coat it. He's accountable.
"Paying for sex" covers a lot of territory. It is not automatically bad, but there are forms of paying for sex that are horrific.
Sex is generally dangerous, because it often triggers emotions in unpredictable ways.
Is it shameful to admit going to a club to stage tip? That’s the line. Otherwise it’s not.
Is it shameful to admit to getting a lapdance with no touch allowed? That’s the line. Otherwise it’s not.
Is it shameful to admit to getting a lapdance with two way contact? That’s the line. Otherwise it’s not.
Etc
Etc
All the way to…
Is it shameful to admit to getting full service sex work? That’s the line. Otherwise it’s not. (Tho for the most part, I don’t think anybody has avoided that last step being a taboo in some way. An individual can be at peace with his/her own actions. But as far as whatever society or social circle one is in…)
Even if not honest with *others* for whatever reason, at least the self? (Though if one is in a situation that requires lots of sneaking, that will take a mental and emotional toll too, and not ideal)
It may sound like a ridiculous thing from me to say, but lots of dancers and customers both are full of shit about things that are small and shouldn’t even matter. That behavior stems from somewhere
Also bad: acts that have to do with crossing the boundaries (physical, emotional, psychological, financial) of others in some way. That is beyond the scope of this thread though.
So as far as customers, for example, pay attention to who I end up trolling the most on this site, and try to guess why. There are also some who I end up questioning certain things they may say but I might refrain from calling them out for whatever reason.
For dancers:
Money brags that have nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
Hating on extras, and taking the initiative to complain vs responding to someone ever, but suspiciously hanging out in clubs known for activities for extended periods of time.
Talking about making trips or something extended and alone with a customer but didn’t have sex (even if true, who freaking cares at that point)
Etc
Paying for sex from a sex worker = paying extra money for her to give an HJ, BJ, FS, or ZJ (ZJ -- come on, somebody here has seen Beerfest, right???)
Whether it's a bad thing depends on your own comfort level (I'm not comfortable paying for sex... I'd rather hook up with a girl who wants to do it), and / or whether it requires you to be dishonest with a significant other.
I think if you have to lie to or hide it from a wife or girlfriend, that's where the immorality comes from...not from a law or cultural "norm", but from an intentional breach of trust.
If you're single, or you have an arrangement with your s.o., I think two consenting adults should be able to make whatever agreement they want. As Johnny Lawrence would say, hashbrown legalize it.
Concerns about "cheating" generally seem sadly superficial to me. If somebody honestly loves you, they should be concerned if you feel sexual frustrated. They shouldn't be focused on enforcing their property rights over you, or feeling that your frustration is a willful insult to their attractiveness.
If you think God cares if you follow some arbitrary set of rules, rather than whether you deal with others justly and compassionately, consider the logic of worshiping a God who is clearly an idiot.
You can't consent to an illegal act.
Taking advantage of someone desperate enough to sell themselves so you can use her as a cum dump isn't positive by any ethical standards.
You can't even own up to what you do.
I will play along and comment on your discussion.
The concept of selling/buying/paying-for sex is misunderstood.
An adult is paying another adult for his or her time and companionship.
Anything that happens between two consenting adults in privacy is nobody business. (Society, government, authorities, police, religious groups, other humans of any kind, etc etc etc)
Sex is always a reciprocal gift.
Remember nothing, and I mean NOTHING, in this capitalist society is ever free, you will pay one way or another.
When buying anything, just make sure you get what you pay for and are happy about the transaction.
I’m not judging others - just myself. I know I crossed my lines several times when I was a married, heavy drinking, filthy club goer. Fucking strippers ITC and OTC, and taking stupid risks without considering their impact on my life situation.
Yes, you can. That doesn't suddenly make the act legal, but if law enforcement becomes involved, then consent is a factor in the perpetrator's favor (not always but often). It depends on the illegal act. And with regard to vice-related crimes associated with sex work, consent is very often a critical factor.
Again, provable consent doesn't automatically make an illegal act legal, but it does move the needle in terms of enforcement and sentencing, if it comes to that.
But I know you care more about stirring shit than anything else, so proceed as usual.
Icee, What an incredibly ironic thing for a pimp to say. I mean that's pretty much the job description of a pimp. Does this mean you're dropping the fake pimp persona? Can you drop the fake lawyer one as well?
You're all butt hurt coz you don't want to admit to being criminals and nothing but tricks to these girls.
You post the "trick" part like it's a bad thing. For me her leaving without drama is one the best parts of the interaction. 👍
Consider that you are approaching her because you want her to be your mistress.
SJG
That like people who get in fistfights, posses marijuana, shoplift, drive negligently, commit fish and hunting violations, publicly urinate, drive with a suspended license, and engage in disorderly conduct, we are breaking the law and might get a fine or a class?
I certainly don't deny any of that. It should be obvious to anyone who reads tuscl that many of us are buying sex in one way or another, depending on your definition. We even write detailed reviews and compare notes on the subject. So where is the denial?
I further question the premise that tusclers are "butt hurt" about being "nothing but a trick". I for one like being nothing but a trick to these girls, just as I don't pursue romantic relationships with my mechanic or my plumber. More broadly, I don't see a lot of other tusclers as obviously butt hurt. They seem for the most part to be seasoned purchasers of strippers' services (which may incude sex), and seem to have a pretty realistic and transactional attitude about it.
I wonder what you are driving at? Some sort of PL mea-culpa wherein we admit to buying sex from girls who don't love us? I think that's already obvious.
"Manufactured drama" is the phrase you're looking for.
Whether it is a crime or not is not important. It would only be the most minor of crimes, like loitering or open alcohol container.
What is important is that you should not be buying sex from a woman at all, as that is insulting her. You can proceed with her and have sex with her and give her money without it being like you are buying sex.
You don't have to ever treat her like she is someone who sells sex.
SJG
Salt Peanuts
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Look how effectively Icey can stir the pot, once again, with all his stuff about tricks. Including right here in this very thread.
In contrast, 48-cowboy is an account that likes to insult boomers pretty often. And that account hasn’t even placed in the top 40 ignored members on this site for whatever reason.
For whatever reason, people are more comfortable with being thought of as a “boomer” instead of a “trick”
SJG
I agree with Ishmael’s recent comment as well.
I don’t take issue with Icee calling me a trick. If his use of trick means I’m a customer in a sex for cash transaction, he’s correct. If he’s attempting to demean me or using trick in a pejorative manner, I’m not hurt.
What is true for stripping would be true for any other type of sex work. It's common for people to think illegal=immoral but there is no reason to think that. To me, someone is engaged in an immoral act if they are using force or fraud to gain a benefit. Two adults engaging in consensual behavior is not immoral.
Personal I don't care for SD and SB either.
I just like Mistress and if necessary say Sex Worker.
And it never get into anything which could ever be interpreted as unlawful if you don't want it to.
SJG
Meanwhile pretending to uphold some kind of moral high ground and ethics in threads on here. It's stupid.
Drew is not denying that there are legal lines which could be crossed. He is not trying to uphold any moral high ground either.
FWIW, in CA, Prostitution and Soliciting are low level misdemeanors. Being a Pimp is a little bit higher level, but it is still a misdemeanor. The way they get a felony out of it is by charging it as pandering.
But I think what Drew is trying to talk about is what are the actual moral issues, and he is not just trying to proclaim himself as being on some moral high ground.
SJG
Additionally, I find ho/trick to be a bit hard to believe unless you're in a 1970's Iceberg Slim novel, and I find it particularly disingenuous coming from middle aged white men who picked up the terms listening to hip hop.
Sex Worker is a bit generic, and could describe someone on either side of the extras divide, whatever it is.
So, what are good terms for pl/stripper when extras come into the equation?
I do agree that words have meaning, and that meaning matters.
For me, if I am engaging with her, she is a potential mistress.
Extras is a term I have never gone along with. Makes no sense.
SJG
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@SJG it's sad to see you constantly making fool of yourself with you childish thinking. Like the Beatles said, money can't buy you love. Commercial sex mostly addresses the sexual urges of our lizard brains. The more sophisticated sex workers can simulate the coos and soft moans of sexual satisfaction. If we temporarily suspend disbelief, we can get limited satisfaction of the desire to give as well as get sexual pleasure. If we permanently suspend disbelief as you seem to, that is, become delusional, we become the type of PL who totally shits on a sex worker's day.
I have no problem with the situation.
But now matter what they say or do, there is no reason I need to talk to them like I see them as selling sex or sexual services, or as people who can be bought with money.
Most women are getting money or other social advantage through the men they fuck. If you were to try and outlaw that you'd have to outlaw marriage.
SJG
Not sure why. I guess the customers are more interested in hiding their activities than lobby for destigmatization idk
Yes that is correct, and thank you.
Now to the topic at hand. Whore and John are just labels. They are met to derogatory so I refuse to use them or feel defined by them. In a strip club we are paying for sexual excitement if it’s the cover charge and drink to just sit and watch or it’s tipping the dancer hundreds of dollars for full service. I say don’t worry about it do what you are comfortable with as long as both parties are happy it’s a good thing.
She might tell people that she is being kept, or that she is a kept woman.
I think this is common and well understood in Europe, and in Latin American, and in Asia too, probably anywhere except in the US. And the US seems to be the only country which is so serious about enforcing the prostitution law. It is our history with the Puritans and with Prohibition.
SJG
And the interpretations on which LE feels it can enforce have changed vastly over the decades.
There is no real bright line test because it intersects with customs of marriage.
Most of the enforcement is always against the poor, immigrants, and minorities, and it is always extremely political.
https://www.bernardbraylaw.com/practice-…
SJG
If they sound pejorative is coz the interaction is pejorative.
Pretending it's anything other than what it is is delusional.
She's only fucking you coz you're paying her to.
Icey, the one who is delusional is you. Real people do not fit into such nice neat and pejorative categories.
SJG
Herbie Hancock Maiden Voyage (Full Album)
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As long as your relationship is contingent on you paying her that's what it is.
SJG
They only have to make it straight money for sex if that is what the guy wants. It comes from him.
Usually new dancers in strip clubs are offended by P4P offers. But eventually they get tired of sitting home alone, so they learn to take it on the guy's terms. But this does not mean that this is what they want.
SJG
PBS Newshour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl2y4-sq…
Now true, this site and strip clubs do draw Republicans, but this is just because these are guys who believe that gender and race give them special privileges.
And it is not just the Republican Christian Right that wants to crack down on prostitution. It is also those who see themselves as moral up lifters, do gooders. They like to say that prostitution is "trafficking" and that sex workers are victims.
I nominate this thread of Drew's as one of TUSCL's best because it has drawn in people having at least 4 different POV's.
SJG
I don’t want to get caught up in a political flame war here, but I’ll just say that I blame the republican and democrat party equally. Nancy Pelosi isn’t exactly a good champion of the working class
SJG
SJG
This is interesting to me. This thread alone shows a variety of ethical positions. Obviously we don't all agree with one another all the time, but clearly there are ethical standards. Are you suggesting that whoremongers can have no ethics?
Snd it is very hypocritical to support conservative politics and social conservatism etc while paying hookers.
There are no winners in prostitution.
wrt social conservatism, I agree. It's still common, but you're right it's very hypocritical.
wrt conservative politics, I mostly disagree.
- gun nuts: don't care about SWs one way or the other
- free traders: probably the biggest single source of SW income, totally in line with their philosophy
- pro military: not sure about this, but everybody I know that was ever in the service over seas fucked about 10,000 SWs each
- bible thumpers: you're right, but see social conservatism above.
- Trumpers: if they do like daddy does, they are the biggest bunch of whoremongers in history.
She does not need to have any unusual financial need, anything which goes beyond the needs of other people. All she wants is just to be able to pay her bills.
And sesta fosta is completely unconstitutional. It tries to strictly limit online hosts and hold them accountable for the words of other people whom they have no knowledge of or control over.
Trump went along with this just to support that portion of his base which is pro-censorship.
It was like Diane Feinstein and the Telecommunications Decency Act all over again, but on crank.
And Icey, you or I could see a girl out on the sidewalk, or in a strip club, one who just really gets to us. You or I could approach her and make something happen with her, which does include generosity, but which still is in no way treating her like a prostitute.
The main effect of LE in the picture is just to drive down the looks of the women and to suppress the sexy dressing and dolling up, until no one takes them seriously.
I am not talking about ever speaking to a woman in a manner which involves soliciting her or offering money for sex, or asking her to give a price quote. I am only talking about engaging with her when you have decided that you want to be waking up with her in the mornings.
SJG
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Frampton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVCWaWFm…
And no, this does not make it fit the legal defn of prostitution, but that does not really make any difference either.
SJG
Jazz Messengers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3vpiTgG…
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I like those high heels on you. I know you have expenses in coming here.
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And then hand her $20. Handing women money in strip clubs is the norm.
On the sidewalk, handing her money would not be illegal, but you still might hold back a little and get her out of direct view from passers by first.
Remember, you've only approached her because you intend to be waking up with her in the mornings. And so you don't need to do this very often. Money is a show of care, concern, and of respect.
SJG
Jazz Messengers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3vpiTgG…
Jennifer Fischer
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SJG
In San Jose waiting for the bus while female is a crime. Cops always shaking then down, wanting their ID, searching their purses. I see it. Cops wait to see if they get on the bus. And the younger and nicer looking they are the worse the cops are. Coffee girls tell me about it too, how cops ask about what is in their purses item by item.
It sucks, it is unfair, and it is unconstitutional.
But this is what the obsession with eradicating prostitution has brought us. And in the suburbs it is worse.
SJG
Jazz Messengers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3vpiTgG…
Jennifer Fischer
https://jenniferfisherjewelry.com/collec…
And come on. There are attractive women everywhere
In a strip club you're tipping and paying for dances vip whatever because it's a business establishment and she's working.
And no, we do not have attractive street hookers, very very rare. Last ones I have seen were years and years ago. Today they are all basically bag ladies. This is what the SJPD living only by its own rules has done. And it gets the mandate to do this because real estate prices are so inflated and residents photograph these women and post them on the neighborhood groups so that they will be watched continually.
Big problem in the economics of San Jose, not enough street hookers and the ones we have are not attractive at all.
Our re-development agency has always been tied to extreme law enforcement crack down tactics on street hookers.
This guy Ron Martinelli ran the hooker patrol in the early 80's. He and a police woman wrote this book. I listened to them on talk radio back then.
http://www.martinelliandassoc.com/founde…
The Stroll
He is a consultant now cause he teaches things a police officer could not. And you don't want to ever tangle with anyone like him. He claims to be an expert in "Gangs", and he testifies as such. All "gangs" means is minority youth.
And now he is attacking Black Lives Matter.
https://www.amazon.com/Truth-Behind-Matt…
SJG
Jennifer Fischer
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Art Blakey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3vpiTgG…
Things go well.
Remember, you don't need to often be approaching new women, not in your home town, because the one's you already know will more than keep you busy.
SJG
This Ronald Martinelli is former SJPD. He led the street prostitution crackdown in the early 80's which was in response to the Roy C. McLaren plan which was in support of the Re-Development Agency. Martinelli and a female officer wrote a book about this, "The Stroll".
Martinelli is one of the architects of the present state of martial law in San Jose where constitutional due process is suspended, where Waiting For The Bus While Female is a crime, and where residents photograph and monitor suspected street hookers and post about them on the Neighborhoods Groups in support of a hyper inflated real estate market.
Now he functions as a police consultant and he has taught courses on such things as Full Force Street Combat, and First Officer On the Scene Survival. He talks about things which a serving police officer could not.
We have this testimonial on his web site:
“Dr. Ron Martinelli is the police practices expert’s expert. He is uniquely experienced, articulate and understandable to judges and juries. He is very skilled, always dependable and consistently delivers the goods for his attorney clients.”
http://www.martinelliandassoc.com/founde…
He has testified as an expert on Gangs. And as it is used in the McLaren document, gangs just means racial minority youth.
He has testified as an expert on Cults. And this is simply a way of assigning criminal intents to activities which break no law.
Martinelli warrants renewed attention because he is promoting himself with a new book:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B095CZ…
SJPD did not conduct itself very well Summer 2020, and rumors about BLM and Antifa seem to have been a factor.
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What would you say about upfront generosity, like when you first meet the girl, like say in a strip club?
My view is that in some venues, like strip clubs, upfront generosity is expected. But this does not mean that you are paying her for sex. And it does not mean that you are as Icey talks about, violating the solicitation law. And besides, the law is not really what is important. What is important is that the girl you have selected comes to see that you have respectful and good intentions.
So as I see it you might best lead by handing her money. I talked about it being part of a compliment on her high heels. But that might not make sense for everyone.
You can get friendly with her, and continuing to feed her money, like front room dancing money will probably help. It isn't literally paying her for sex. It is just showing care, concern, respect, and good intentions.
Then things might progress to a Front Room Feel Up And Make Out Session, and then to the back room.
What I think got a reaction out of Icey was when I suggested that something like this would work out on the sidewalk with a Street Hooker.
Now some judgement would have to be used. San Jose operates under a state of martial law on the sidewalks.
San Francisco is usually not at all like that, and I have been approached by street hookers. Though I could have also approached them. Initial money, then backing myself up against the wall and intitating a preliminary makeout session would likely have worked.
It would have to be a girl I wanted to spend time with, and be generous with.
In those times I was not looking for that, and so I did not do anything like that, but I was very polite to them.
You don't always have to take things as they are offered. And you can give women money without asking for anything.
What say you Jestrite50?
SJG
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Jestrite50
To me it seems like when you are first meeting the girl, the most important thing is to show your good will and respect, and to get the girl shifted from trying to hustle you, to following your lead.
So pressing money into her hand as soon as she is within arms reach is obvious.
You want to have ways of conveying money to her without making it look like you are trying to buy something or low bid anything.
So for me, complimenting her on her high heels is an obvious one. I can say something once, but I can't go beyond that. I do want her to be in high heels when she is with me. And she will be with me outside, and regularly, very soon.
And the important thing about her high heels is that they cost her money. So it isn't like I am trying to buy any kind of service from her, or trying to low bid anything.
I got this idea from an AMP girl. I skipped out at lunch time and went into a new AMP. Very rare, a Vietnamese AMP girl who was a little big chubby. She was very pretty and nicely painted up.
So I paid the house fee and things began, and soon we were doing a lot of DFKing. Then I just said something because I liked her strapped on high heels, and I was taking her dress off of her.
She asked me, "Will you buy me those shoes?"
What a perfect question. So of course I told her yes, and in effect I did buy them for her.
It makes perfect sense for someone who likes to keep women in high heels. It shows care, concern and respect, and it opens a third way, that is not asking for anything for free, but nor is it paying her for sex.
So you invent ways to convey money to her, and you get her to follow your lead and to not hustle you.
Never tried this with a sidewalk hooker, but in lots of situations in San Francisco I think it would have worked just fine. I'd of backed myself up against the wall and began our preliminary makeout session as we got to know each other and as I demonstrating generosity, and then we'd be wearing out a mattress and waking up in the morning together.
SJG
Doesn't seem like they could do this live. Need to have a backing track, otherwise Paul McCartney would be playing bass and piano at the same time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfSQkZuI…
MonaLisa Twins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCprklY9…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKRle7mg…
^^^^ They do alright leaving the keyboard out.
I think the piano bass makes a big difference. But you only have it in this studio version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu2pVPWG…
This guy has got synth piano bass, it just isn't very high in the mix
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Ray Manzarek Robby Krieger @ Arena Moscow, Moscow Russia - June 30th, 2012
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SJG
Posting on a message board is not sleep.
SLEEP!
Preferably as soon as possible.
You do realize tat countries with far left socialist/communist systems are some of the world's biggest sources of sex workers, no? Shit who knows how many Happy Endings are delivered each day in the United States by Cuban strippers/prostitutes and AMP girls from N. Korea and China. Republicans empower people while left leaning policies ultimately enslave them.
SJG
What is the name of the drug they gave you? Is it anti-viral, anti-histamine, or immuno suppressant?
Watch out for allergic reactions. These would be far more dangerous than COVID. If there are signs you must stop the medication at once.
SLEEP!
SJG
MonaLisa Twins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCprklY9…
None of the big name Republicans got any of that shit either, they got anti-virals and mono-clonal antibodies.
The good news is that I won't post from the "hospital."
https://www.drugs.com/azithromycin.html
They might be concerned about pneumonia.
Hope you are doing okay now.
And the best remedy remains sleep, until you know that you are well.
SJG
Jennifer Fischer
https://jenniferfisherjewelry.com/collec…
diltiazem azithromycin enoxaparin budedonide ipratropium prednisone
I have never heard of anyone being on so many pharmaceuticals.
azithromycin anti-biotic
Diltiazem is used to treat high blood pressure and to control angina (chest pain). Diltiazem is in a class of medications called calcium-channel blockers. It works by relaxing the blood vessels so the heart does not have to pump as hard. It also increases the supply of blood and oxygen to the heart.
Enoxaparin is an anticoagulant that helps prevent the formation of blood clots.
Enoxaparin is used to treat or prevent a type of blood clot called deep vein thrombosis (DVT), which can lead to blood clots in the lungs (pulmonary embolism). A DVT can occur after certain types of surgery, or in people who are bed-ridden due to a prolonged illness.
Enoxaparin is also used to prevent blood vessel complications in people with certain types of angina (chest pain) or heart attack.
Budesonide is used to treat Crohn's disease (a condition in which the body attacks the lining of the digestive tract, causing pain, diarrhea, weight loss, and fever). Budesonide is in a class of medications called corticosteroids. It works by decreasing inflammation (swelling) in the digestive tract of people who have Crohn's disease.
Ipratropium oral inhalation is used to prevent wheezing, shortness of breath, coughing, and chest tightness in people with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD; a group of diseases that affect the lungs and airways) such as chronic bronchitis (swelling of the air passages that lead to the lungs) and emphysema (damage to the air sacs in the lungs). Ipratropium is in a class of medications called bronchodilators. It works by relaxing and opening the air passages to the lungs to make breathing easier.
Prednisone is used alone or with other medications to treat the symptoms of low corticosteroid levels (lack of certain substances that are usually produced by the body and are needed for normal body functioning). Prednisone is also used to treat other conditions in patients with normal corticosteroid levels. These conditions include certain types of arthritis; severe allergic reactions; multiple sclerosis (a disease in which the nerves do not function properly); lupus (a disease in which the body attacks many of its own organs); and certain conditions that affect the lungs, skin, eyes, kidneys blood, thyroid, stomach, and intestines. Prednisone is also sometimes used to treat the symptoms of certain types of cancer. Prednisone is in a class of medications called corticosteroids. It works to treat patients with low levels of corticosteroids by replacing steroids that are normally produced naturally by the body. It works to treat other conditions by reducing swelling and redness and by changing the way the immune system works.
Take care of yourself ICEY. The only real cure for COVID is still sleep.
Are you out of the hospital now?
SJG
Weather Report - Live at Montreux (1976) [Remastered] (really good!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvfXA2S…
SJG
Weather Report - Live at Montreux (1976) [Remastered]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvfXA2S…
If I wanted attention, which I could care less about, I'm doing it way the fuck wrong.
It isn't working.
SJG
Weather Report - Live at Montreux (1976) [Remastered]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvfXA2S…
It isn't working.
SJG
SJG
Weather Report - Live at Montreux (1976) [Remastered]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvfXA2S…
Original. Cogent. Reasoned.
SJG
Weather Report - Live at Montreux (1976) [Remastered]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvfXA2S…
SJG
Weather Report - Live at Montreux (1976) [Remastered]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvfXA2S…
Your quest to make this board intellectual is tilting at windmills, kind of like your org.
SJG
It's not bad in and of itself. But the dynamics of the interaction define whether it's good or bad. Are you taking advantage of a desperate woman? Are you being coercive? Is she trafficked? Are you cheating on your SO? Do you project negative views onto her? Eo you feel you are paying for. Service or act like you own her? Your views on women. Do you misunderstand the nature of the relations? Those are the questions to ask yourself.
SJG
What comes of that depends upon you and she.
Never act like money buys her, motivates her, or like she sells sex or sexual services or is a prostitute.
SJG
She is there to get money and she uses it to pay her bills. So generosity is a show of respect
SJG
X - Beyond and Back (HQ) Live 1980
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVICRYqZ…
Also human relations aren't based on monetary exchanges. If your relationships are you're doing it wrong