Should Strip Clubs and Casino's be held responsible for

I believe that we are accountable for our own actions. If you are stupid enough to get yourself too drunk, then you are still responsible for what you do. Can you sue a gun manufacturer ? Can you sue McDonalds for making you fat ?

No. Grown adults should be responsible for their own actions.

People serve bars that over serve patrons and this is no different.

Uh oh Juice got trashed on Four Loko and blew his entire paycheck again!!!!

This summer, for 3 consecutive months, Vegas broke an earnings record, each time it was over a billion spent there each month. One month it almost approached 1.5 billion (I believe that was July and it was 1.4 billion). Why do you think they give you free drinks while you’re gambling there?!?!? A casino director was quoted saying “people obviously didn’t have anything to spend their money on during the pandemic, so they waited and spent it here.”

I am not sure whether our esteemed colleague is asking what we believe should happen - or what will legally happen.

I believe you are responsible for your actions - regardless of whether you are drunk or not. If you decide to get drunk - and you continue drinking - and you blow your money at a casino or strip club - it’s your own fault.

Legally, I don’t know who can be held responsible as a result of a customer getting drunk and wasting all his money. It’s likely a lawyer could take the case - but I don’t know the likelihood of recovering any money.

Juice I would say you could only sue them if you could prove that you were always financially responsible before they served you so much alcohol. Good luck with that!

I apply the same rule to casinos and strip clubs, CASH ONLY and only take what you are willing to spend for the night. If you only go in with what you are willing to spend and come out with no money you can't say you spent too much because you spent exactly what you budgeted for the night. Now whether you got your money's worth is a different issue.

^^^ pussy, only winners gamble on casino credit!!!!!

Kidding, I would always cringe when I’ve been offered that or know a friend that does/did that. You can get in the hole real quick.

===> "People serve bars that over serve patrons and this is no different."

Dram shop laws differ from state to state, including the standard bars are held to and what causes of action an injured party may pursue. Many are not as stringent as the one in the Nanny State of Massachusetts, which essentially requires bartenders and wait staff to become babysitters.

Here in FL, bars are protected from liability unless they serve a minor or someone who they know the be habitually addicted to alcohol. Good luck proving that second one. Otherwise, unlike many states, the bar can serve you until you fall off the stool.

As always, I am beyond grateful to be living in a place where personal responsibility takes such a prominent role. 😁

Uhhh no. It’s amazing how it’s always somebody else’s fault in America today.

We have a lot of parties and I shut off people all the time. Expecting a drunk to make the right decision is not something I ever plan on doing. My guests, my responsibility.

===> "We have a lot of parties and I shut off people all the time."

If a grown man wants to behave like a Nanny in his own home I won't tell him otherwise. But not everyone wants to be in that position, especially bartenders and waitresses who shouldn't reasonably be expected to take legal responsibility for the sobriety of every patron in the establishment.

^^^ the problem with being a nanny is if someone gets white girl wasted at Skibum’s house, goes out and runs over 2 kids on their way home guess who’s getting sued.

Funny guys... No I'm a sober high stakes PLO player at 10/20 these days

Just asking because I was curious if their was legal issues over it

I've seen ppl at clubs so drunk 2 girls was walking him to the ATM and helping him with withdrawal

And I've seen ppl drunk at the poker tables so bad that the host was helping ppl to the ATM and helping them back to the table

I do agree it's on the person to a huge degree to be dumb enough to stick themselves in a exploitive situation like that

But I do feel to a smaller degree the clubs and casino should be held responsible as well

If their is a legal issues with drinking and a cut off point in service drunk ppl more drinks they should also be cut off from other things as well and be helped to a safe place to sober up

@Rick Dugan
----->>As always, I am beyond grateful to be living in a place where personal responsibility takes such a prominent role. 😁 <<----

A few years ago a dancer from DDs in West Palm Beach died in a terrible drunk driving crash, the club was sued and lost millions the club is not around anymore, in another drunk driving case the defense was that the driver was overserved, conviction was on lesser charges and the establishment (a private country club) where he was intoxicated before getting behind the wheel of his Bentley and killing two people was held liable for damages.
These cases both happened in WPB in Florida I could cite you cases in other parts of Florida as well including your green leafy suburban county in the northern part of the state.

I believe that it should be the person's responsibility to exercise control over their own spending (ditto in strip clubs).

But, if a casino's actions can be shown/proven to be exploitative or openly manipulative, then they could set themselves up for a loss in court.

So, one can always sue, but the specifics of the case will be the deciding factor (obviously). I suspect that all casinos walk a fine line here.

Actually, a lot of strip clubs already do this when a customer is obviously inebriated. When buying a champagne room or getting a cash advance, the signature they sign must match the one on their license for that reason - the clubs are covering their ass so they can't be sued.

^ I'm not saying that personal responsibility isn't important, but depending on a drunk to exercise personal responsibility is a foolhardy, risky strategy and if you pour unlimited drinks out there in a large group of people there are foreseeable consequences, as a result you will have some exposure to liability, just like any other thing if you profit from an event your liability may be higher than you expected.

Judging by the responses of the "personal responsibility" people here, I have no doubt that a woman, so drunk, she cannot make a choice, would be looked at as easy prey. Go ahead, fuck her, see you in jail.....

“ I've seen ppl at clubs so drunk 2 girls was walking him to the ATM and helping him with withdrawal”

My friend and I to this day joke about that. We have a $200 daily limit set on our ATM withdrawals. So we can withdraw $200 at 11:55PM and $200 at 12:01AM the next day, which we have done back in the day when we were going out partying. Let’s face it you can’t do too much damage with $400, but if 2 guys have $400 each…

^ The withdrawal limits are for 24 hours at my bank if you tried to pull 200 from the ATM at 11;59 PM then again at 12;01 AM the second transaction wouldn't be processed.

===> "Judging by the responses of the "personal responsibility" people here, I have no doubt that a woman, so drunk, she cannot make a choice, would be looked at as easy prey. Go ahead, fuck her, see you in jail....."

Mr. Nanny, there's a lot of roadway in between letting a grown adult decide for himself when he's had enough or should walk away and fucking a girl who is so blotted that she can't make an informed choice.

@25: Anyone can sue anyone. The question is whether they can win. There may be isolated instances where someone frequented or worked at a club so much, and drank so much each time, that the plaintiff could prove a reasonable basis for believing that the drunk was a habitual abuser of alcohol. But nonetheless it's an extremely high bar to clear.

And if you're going to cite cases, please provide links so that we have all of the details. I'm guessing that there were extenuating circumstances in each instance.

^ There's always extenuating circumstances, so what, all lawsuits are supposed to be decided on the merits, that doesn't absolve anyone of liability, extenuating circumstances, has no bearing when someone is overserved past the point of intoxication, especially if they are falling down drunk, a saloonkeeper has a responsibility to ply his trade in an ethical moral fashion or face consequences.

===> "extenuating circumstances, has no bearing when someone is overserved past the point of intoxication, especially if they are falling down drunk, a saloonkeeper has a responsibility to ply his trade in an ethical moral fashion or face consequences."

Are you drunk already? LOL. Here in FL a saloonkeeper can actually serve the fucker 'til he drops unless one of the two exceptions applies. By extenuating circumstances, I mean that the plaintiffs could prove that one of the two exceptions applied, which I suspect is evidence that the bars knew that the drunks were habitual alcohol abusers.

^ I wouldn't hire you to defend me, it's obvious you think your political beliefs constitute settled case law, but that's not correct and any of our resident lawyers would quickly laugh at your contention.

^ It's the law knucklehead and it's unambiguous:

768.125 Liability for injury or damage resulting from intoxication.—A person who sells or furnishes alcoholic beverages to a person of lawful drinking age shall not thereby become liable for injury or damage caused by or resulting from the intoxication of such person, except that a person who willfully and unlawfully sells or furnishes alcoholic beverages to a person who is not of lawful drinking age or who knowingly serves a person habitually addicted to the use of any or all alcoholic beverages may become liable for injury or damage caused by or resulting from the intoxication of such minor or person.

How can a patron prove how intoxicated they were? My old club new how to deal with charge-backs very well. Have him on camera signing on the dotted line multiple times. Have him on camera having the time of his life. Get those things, and it doesn’t work when they try to retroactively pull a shot. Now, as far as MORAL obligation: I think if the man isn’t able to sign his signature in a way that matches his license (which also protects the club), then you need to send him home.

Knew* sorry, not proof-reading

I prefer to allow an actual lawyer explain to you what you aren't understanding RickiBoi

😂

@25 - yeah my buddy and I assumed it would be like that too but for some reason back in the day our bank (we both had the same one) reset at midnight. We always said “we should go fix this so we can withdrawal more, then we were like “nah it’s probably best the way it is.”